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Should we do a separate thread for the Brussels Conference?

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:24 am

Bujahla wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Blockading Algeria won't give you that much... After all, they mainly live off land routes from Egypt to Sub-Saharan Africa. Caravans are their shtick, not naval trade. And you can promise whatever you want, but those Algerians will probably put up their own monarchy before they helped the socialist likes fo you.


*face palm*

Kryskov wrote:I assume you would blockade the Ivory Coast as well?

Could work, but I doubt the Third Republic would be facing opposition from Algerians, considering that the nation practically is Algeria now. I would expect much of the 3rd Republic, after a while, to be composed of Algerians, so I would actually put them in the "anti-Socialist" category.


The Third Republic is the old government. It's made up of mostly conservative anti-socialists. It is a bunch of old white (french) people. It wouldn't be made up of Algerians in the least bit. It is still fighting the civil war and has a rather large army that is located in the colonies now. It isn't going to assimilate the Algerians since the war isn't over and they are rather racist (and so are the socialists, but they are less so). It's no question as in if they are Anti-Socialists or not, it's how can the FSR retake the colonies from the Third Republic.

Now now, why the face palm? If it's so obvious, you could at least take the time to properly address it in a few sentences instead of just posting 'face palm'. Understood?

Also, the Khmer Empire is open for business! All who want to make money off industrialisation in Indochina are welcome to do so. I need arms producers, manufacturers, loggers, railway companies, economic reformers and some more military professionals.
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Postby Kryskov » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:26 am

Bujahla wrote:The Third Republic is the old government. It's made up of mostly conservative anti-socialists. It is a bunch of old white (french) people. It wouldn't be made up of Algerians in the least bit. It is still fighting the civil war and has a rather large army that is located in the colonies now. It isn't going to assimilate the Algerians since the war isn't over and they are rather racist (and so are the socialists, but they are less so). It's no question as in if they are Anti-Socialists or not, it's how can the FSR retake the colonies from the Third Republic.

Hot air balloons?

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Postby The Kingdom of Glitter » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:33 am

Bujahla wrote:The Third Republic is the old government. It's made up of mostly conservative anti-socialists. It is a bunch of old white (french) people. It wouldn't be made up of Algerians in the least bit. It is still fighting the civil war and has a rather large army that is located in the colonies now. It isn't going to assimilate the Algerians since the war isn't over and they are rather racist (and so are the socialists, but they are less so). It's no question as in if they are Anti-Socialists or not, it's how can the FSR retake the colonies from the Third Republic.


Quite honestly Buj, you might want to wait and regroup, rebuild, etc. for a while before you decide to go after Algeria and the rest of the colonies.

That way when you do attack, you are much stronger and would have a much better chance of taking the colonies, or at least you should. You might also not want to wait, in which case just do what the French did when they took Algeria, bombard the fuck out of Algiers until it submits. Repeat in every major coastal city until they all surrender, take the coastline, claim you took all of Algeria, and just fuck whatever resists you until they give up, if they give up, or fight an extended guerrilla war against loyalists to the Third Republic or Algerian separatists.

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Postby Bujahla » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:53 am

The Kingdom of Glitter wrote:
Bujahla wrote:The Third Republic is the old government. It's made up of mostly conservative anti-socialists. It is a bunch of old white (french) people. It wouldn't be made up of Algerians in the least bit. It is still fighting the civil war and has a rather large army that is located in the colonies now. It isn't going to assimilate the Algerians since the war isn't over and they are rather racist (and so are the socialists, but they are less so). It's no question as in if they are Anti-Socialists or not, it's how can the FSR retake the colonies from the Third Republic.


Quite honestly Buj, you might want to wait and regroup, rebuild, etc. for a while before you decide to go after Algeria and the rest of the colonies.

That way when you do attack, you are much stronger and would have a much better chance of taking the colonies, or at least you should. You might also not want to wait, in which case just do what the French did when they took Algeria, bombard the fuck out of Algiers until it submits. Repeat in every major coastal city until they all surrender, take the coastline, claim you took all of Algeria, and just fuck whatever resists you until they give up, if they give up, or fight an extended guerrilla war against loyalists to the Third Republic or Algerian separatists.


Yeah I'm debating between that. I know that any assault on Algeria will not come until the final northern campaign ends and the airfields in the south are mostly fixed as well as the ships.

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Bujahla wrote:The Third Republic is the old government. It's made up of mostly conservative anti-socialists. It is a bunch of old white (french) people. It wouldn't be made up of Algerians in the least bit. It is still fighting the civil war and has a rather large army that is located in the colonies now. It isn't going to assimilate the Algerians since the war isn't over and they are rather racist (and so are the socialists, but they are less so). It's no question as in if they are Anti-Socialists or not, it's how can the FSR retake the colonies from the Third Republic.

Hot air balloons?


Read the French App. Apparently France is the most advanced in aerial combat and has a ton of both civilian and military air planes in operation.
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Postby Bujahla » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:55 am

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
Bujahla wrote:
*face palm*



The Third Republic is the old government. It's made up of mostly conservative anti-socialists. It is a bunch of old white (french) people. It wouldn't be made up of Algerians in the least bit. It is still fighting the civil war and has a rather large army that is located in the colonies now. It isn't going to assimilate the Algerians since the war isn't over and they are rather racist (and so are the socialists, but they are less so). It's no question as in if they are Anti-Socialists or not, it's how can the FSR retake the colonies from the Third Republic.

Now now, why the face palm? If it's so obvious, you could at least take the time to properly address it in a few sentences instead of just posting 'face palm'. Understood?

Also, the Khmer Empire is open for business! All who want to make money off industrialisation in Indochina are welcome to do so. I need arms producers, manufacturers, loggers, railway companies, economic reformers and some more military professionals.


France is in a civil war between the socialists and the Third Republic. The Socialists now control almost all of the mainland and the Third Republic has retreated to Algeria, a French colony. We want to take it back because its part of France and the FSR (French Socialist Republic) claims all of France as rightfully it. Can't just let their gov't in exile exist now can we?
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Postby Kryskov » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:56 am

Bujahla wrote:Read the French App. Apparently France is the most advanced in aerial combat and has a ton of both civilian and military air planes in operation.

I mean it was a joke but ok...

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Postby Bujahla » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:57 am

Kryskov wrote:
Bujahla wrote:Read the French App. Apparently France is the most advanced in aerial combat and has a ton of both civilian and military air planes in operation.

I mean it was a joke but ok...


I'm under a lot of stress atm cause I have a lot to do this weekend so I can hardly separate satire from non-satirical stuff atm
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:59 am

Bujahla wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Now now, why the face palm? If it's so obvious, you could at least take the time to properly address it in a few sentences instead of just posting 'face palm'. Understood?

Also, the Khmer Empire is open for business! All who want to make money off industrialisation in Indochina are welcome to do so. I need arms producers, manufacturers, loggers, railway companies, economic reformers and some more military professionals.


France is in a civil war between the socialists and the Third Republic. The Socialists now control almost all of the mainland and the Third Republic has retreated to Algeria, a French colony. We want to take it back because its part of France and the FSR (French Socialist Republic) claims all of France as rightfully it. Can't just let their gov't in exile exist now can we?

I get all of that. But what I'm saying is that you can't rely on the Algerians helping you, and you can't rely on a blockade. That really the only thing I've said, and it still holds true. Yeah, you need to get Algeria back, but a blockade won't starve them out, and you can't get a fifth column from the Algerians. You'll have to get your hands dirty in the North African desert, I'm afraid.
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Postby Bujahla » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:12 am

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
Bujahla wrote:
France is in a civil war between the socialists and the Third Republic. The Socialists now control almost all of the mainland and the Third Republic has retreated to Algeria, a French colony. We want to take it back because its part of France and the FSR (French Socialist Republic) claims all of France as rightfully it. Can't just let their gov't in exile exist now can we?

I get all of that. But what I'm saying is that you can't rely on the Algerians helping you, and you can't rely on a blockade. That really the only thing I've said, and it still holds true. Yeah, you need to get Algeria back, but a blockade won't starve them out, and you can't get a fifth column from the Algerians. You'll have to get your hands dirty in the North African desert, I'm afraid.


Ah. The way your first thing was phrased was as if you didn't know Algeria was already French xD. And I see. The blockade can cut off supplies to the Third Republics soldiers unless if shipments are allowed in via Spain (unlikely) or Greece (possibility but I doubt they'll risk it). I'll get the blockade up and send in troops via Italian Libya. Probably can find a few pro-French Algerians to help assist my men. I know I have civil servants that speak Arabic (France had them as far back as the 1860's with Otrey) so communication isn't a problem. Get me some camels and algerian clothing and start running guerilla operations from the villages against the Third Republic. In the mean time use Italian officers to prep a force that can engage in non-guerilla combat and then get ready to take Algeris.
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Postby The Grand Republic of Hannover » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:23 am

The New Lowlands wrote:Wait, does Germany own Belize? :u


Belize is a British Protectorate/Dominion so it is under my rule.

Alleniana wrote:Italy could beat any of the SPs I mentioned, especially fresh out of the revolution as it is (power of Italy ∝ 1/time since the nation's last government change or founding), and it's not as if France isn't power enough, considering that it too could beat any of the SPs even more easily, even if they're relatively far away. Didn't know about the Spanish Civil War, but in any case, that's still not positive for the capitalists (unless a capitalist side in the civil war immediately lolstomps, which is unlikely considering you're suggesting manpower will be depleted). And no, it's not technically aligned, but it might as well be.

'The Socialists really have no power in Europe barring France."
The capitalists really have no power in (continental) Europe barring Germany. It's impossible to expect that any power, even a nation like OP Columbia, could hope to defeat most of a continent, with several GPs on it, via amphibious landing, and across an ocean. The UK could perhaps beat Italy, and Columbia might be able to beat France and Estonia, but throw Spain (even a retarded), Ukraine and other USSR splinters, and various Balkan nations that could quite easily go commie, and Europe is already balanced. Add Germany in, and the communists can't help but win.

Yes, we haven't got a balance, but no, Germany is not the way to go to create one. And, in any case, whether Germany goes commie should be based on whether its likely to anyway, rather than how good it would be for the plot, and IMO, a freshly formed democracy is unlikely to suddenly turn communist. Even Hitler took longer than that, and I would like to see the Great Depression and stuff roll around before we get to that sort of thing.


Agreed. I don't see how Columbia + UK vs. France, Germany, Russia, Italy, Spain, etc, etc. is really balance. XD
Especially considering that Britain is in no position of getting involved in wars for the next decade or so, so that just leaves Columbia against continental Europe. Not to add that Germany and Britain aren't really on friendly terms so there isn't much of a "bloc"
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Postby The New Lowlands » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:24 am

*quietly installs French gov't-in-exile in Elsatz*

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:26 am

The New Lowlands wrote:*quietly installs French gov't-in-exile in Elsatz*

Germany wants invest in Khmer infrastructure?
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Postby The New Lowlands » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:28 am

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:*quietly installs French gov't-in-exile in Elsatz*

Germany wants invest in Khmer infrastructure?

German policy is kind of making a general shift away from colonialism and the Far East, so presumably no.

The Netherlands might be interested, I suppose?

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:35 am

The New Lowlands wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Germany wants invest in Khmer infrastructure?

German policy is kind of making a general shift away from colonialism and the Far East, so presumably no.

The Netherlands might be interested, I suppose?

Oh, but this is no mere colonialist act! This is a whole new thing: economic imperialism! No need for troops, just Germans making huge amounts of money abroad. Now, how does that sound? Besides, it will mostly be a private initiative, so I don't know how much the government has to say...
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Postby The New Lowlands » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:38 am

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:German policy is kind of making a general shift away from colonialism and the Far East, so presumably no.

The Netherlands might be interested, I suppose?

Oh, but this is no mere colonialist act! This is a whole new thing: economic imperialism! No need for troops, just Germans making huge amounts of money abroad. Now, how does that sound? Besides, it will mostly be a private initiative, so I don't know how much the government has to say...

Khmer is 2unstable4me, and the close collusion of state policy and private economic forces will still (for the duration of imperialist policies) remain a thing.

Incidentally, if anyone wants to do something with Papua New Guinea, I'm about to abandon it grant it independence after a long nation-building project.

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Postby The Grand Republic of Hannover » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:41 am

The New Lowlands wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Oh, but this is no mere colonialist act! This is a whole new thing: economic imperialism! No need for troops, just Germans making huge amounts of money abroad. Now, how does that sound? Besides, it will mostly be a private initiative, so I don't know how much the government has to say...

Khmer is 2unstable4me, and the close collusion of state policy and private economic forces will still (for the duration of imperialist policies) remain a thing.

Incidentally, if anyone wants to do something with Papua New Guinea, I'm about to abandon it grant it independence after a long nation-building project.


That sounds interesting. Maybe Britain could invest there.
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Postby Bujahla » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:44 am

The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:Wait, does Germany own Belize? :u


Belize is a British Protectorate/Dominion so it is under my rule.

Alleniana wrote:Italy could beat any of the SPs I mentioned, especially fresh out of the revolution as it is (power of Italy ∝ 1/time since the nation's last government change or founding), and it's not as if France isn't power enough, considering that it too could beat any of the SPs even more easily, even if they're relatively far away. Didn't know about the Spanish Civil War, but in any case, that's still not positive for the capitalists (unless a capitalist side in the civil war immediately lolstomps, which is unlikely considering you're suggesting manpower will be depleted). And no, it's not technically aligned, but it might as well be.

'The Socialists really have no power in Europe barring France."
The capitalists really have no power in (continental) Europe barring Germany. It's impossible to expect that any power, even a nation like OP Columbia, could hope to defeat most of a continent, with several GPs on it, via amphibious landing, and across an ocean. The UK could perhaps beat Italy, and Columbia might be able to beat France and Estonia, but throw Spain (even a retarded), Ukraine and other USSR splinters, and various Balkan nations that could quite easily go commie, and Europe is already balanced. Add Germany in, and the communists can't help but win.

Yes, we haven't got a balance, but no, Germany is not the way to go to create one. And, in any case, whether Germany goes commie should be based on whether its likely to anyway, rather than how good it would be for the plot, and IMO, a freshly formed democracy is unlikely to suddenly turn communist. Even Hitler took longer than that, and I would like to see the Great Depression and stuff roll around before we get to that sort of thing.


Agreed. I don't see how Columbia + UK vs. France, Germany, Russia, Italy, Spain, etc, etc. is really balance. XD
Especially considering that Britain is in no position of getting involved in wars for the next decade or so, so that just leaves Columbia against continental Europe. Not to add that Germany and Britain aren't really on friendly terms so there isn't much of a "bloc"


Russia is gonna be fascist/capitalist so it's UK+Germany+Colombia+Russia+Japan+China(?) vs. France(Civil War) + Italy + (Maybe Civil War Spain).
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:45 am

The New Lowlands wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Oh, but this is no mere colonialist act! This is a whole new thing: economic imperialism! No need for troops, just Germans making huge amounts of money abroad. Now, how does that sound? Besides, it will mostly be a private initiative, so I don't know how much the government has to say...

Khmer is 2unstable4me, and the close collusion of state policy and private economic forces will still (for the duration of imperialist policies) remain a thing.

Incidentally, if anyone wants to do something with Papua New Guinea, I'm about to abandon it grant it independence after a long nation-building project.

Do you suffer from instability? Ask your local European benefactor if Mauser rifles are for you. Side effects may include coups, high prices and incompetent tactics from antiquated generals.

The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:Khmer is 2unstable4me, and the close collusion of state policy and private economic forces will still (for the duration of imperialist policies) remain a thing.

Incidentally, if anyone wants to do something with Papua New Guinea, I'm about to abandon it grant it independence after a long nation-building project.


That sounds interesting. Maybe Britain could invest there.

Britain wants invest in Khmer?
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Postby The Grand Republic of Hannover » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:45 am

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
That sounds interesting. Maybe Britain could invest there.

Britain wants invest in Khmer?


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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:47 am

The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:

Britain wants invest in Khmer?


Papua New Guinea

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Postby The Grand Republic of Hannover » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:50 am

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Papua New Guinea

Britain wants invest in Khmer?


:p

Excuse my ignorance but where is Khmer?
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Postby The New Lowlands » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:51 am

The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Britain wants invest in Khmer?


:p

Excuse my ignorance but where is Khmer?

South East Asia.

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Postby The Grand Republic of Hannover » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:55 am

The New Lowlands wrote:
The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
:p

Excuse my ignorance but where is Khmer?

South East Asia.


Alright. Thank you
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sat Feb 28, 2015 11:58 am

The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Britain wants invest in Khmer?


:p

Excuse my ignorance but where is Khmer?

And I'm not getting my foot out of your door until you answer!

Khmer, or the Khmer Empire, is a nation that has enjoyed independence for the last decade or so and is located in South East Asia. It borders China to the North, and British Thailand to the south. Despite its relatively powerful and stable government, the nation has been torn between luddites, communists and hard-core republicans. The current liberal monarchy wants to reform the Khmer into a more modern state, able to participate in global trade. They are searching for foreign investors to modernise a bit, like the Meiji restoration. For this, we need modern weapons, industry, investors and infrastructure. In return, Britain gets a large deal of the new economy, together with a lot of influence in South East Asia, an ally in possible Asian conflicts and of course all the benefits of having astrong economy to dump all kinds of manufactured goods.
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Postby Bujahla » Sat Feb 28, 2015 12:00 pm

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
:p

Excuse my ignorance but where is Khmer?

And I'm not getting my foot out of your door until you answer!

Khmer, or the Khmer Empire, is a nation that has enjoyed independence for the last decade or so and is located in South East Asia. It borders China to the North, and British Thailand to the south. Despite its relatively powerful and stable government, the nation has been torn between luddites, communists and hard-core republicans. The current liberal monarchy wants to reform the Khmer into a more modern state, able to participate in global trade. They are searching for foreign investors to modernise a bit, like the Meiji restoration. For this, we need modern weapons, industry, investors and infrastructure. In return, Britain gets a large deal of the new economy, together with a lot of influence in South East Asia, an ally in possible Asian conflicts and of course all the benefits of having astrong economy to dump all kinds of manufactured goods.


How are relations with France? Also how do you expect them to be once the FSR wins?
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Nah, son. Britain was all like "yo, why my colonies be all uppity an' shit?!" And Lord Durham laid it straight: "they be wantin' legislation with representation, dawg."


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