Midnight in Moscow, Mk. III(OOC/Applications) (OPEN)

[New Kvenland]

This is definitely going out on a limb, but does anyone here speak Finnish? I was going to semi-incorporate it into my post, and I just need two phrases...

[Alleniana]

My plan is to get 120,000 men there, to end the war and begin rebuilding. Then I'm going to invest heavily in Russian markets and move industry here, as well as fund rebuilding

yus

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never mind that russia will become slightly authoritarian

and then full on steroid depleting viipuri eating poland invading fascist

viipuri no

already impossibru

also, people saying Germoney should stay capitalist for balance

china isn't falling apart
the Whites are winning
columbards are actually doing stuff

the socialists are at a massive disadvantage

That's exactly my point. I mean if we look at the traditional Great Powers [+ China]:

Capitalist: Columbia, the UK, Germany, China,Japan,Austria [Hue].
Socialist: France, Italy
Civil War: Russia [Whites be winning, though]

Yes, the socialists are at a disadvantage, but not in mainland Europe. If Germany goes socialist, there's no major continental powers to stop the United Socialist States of Europe. A map of socialists vs capitalists in Europe: http://i.imgur.com/azB1voO.png The Balkans being shit, you can imagine if Germany went commie, or even just Russia.

I'm sending a naval detachment to Russia to secure my port, what woukd be an okay mix of ships and their numbers?

Not 120,000?


Think about what other powers are sending (besides Hannover, who I'm going to kneecap if he proceeds with this LSD-fueled fantasy about 75,000 British soldiers going anywhere right now). Japan is close and directly affected and has limited logistical issues, they sent like 20,000 I believe. China has offered to send a lot, but they haven't done anything yet and any soldiers they did send might not even make it to the front (and if they did they'd be useless as fuck, probably). Britain should probably be capped at 5-10,000, because of logistical issues and public war weariness. You have even bigger logistical issues, so I'd say maybe 10,000 men. They'd probably have to be sent to Vladivostok rather than Archangelsk as well because of increased issues with feeding them, clothing them, etc. Vladivostok will just be easier.

Scandinavia has sent 12,500, but it may send more.

Oh yea! True. I will get writing after I finish my Eco hw.

Also, what was the name again? Santiago Pact?

Santiago Pact is from 1870 lol.
The Salvador Accords IIRC.

LAEP ftw

Allen response to mi letter pls

sooon

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

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You of lais. Hellas ist of Grorious Fatherland.

[The Grand Republic of Hannover]

@Argentina and Brazil: I added a letter for you: viewtopic.php?p=23662538#p23662538

Also, the order of how I listed the countries is purely alphabetical so no favoritism intended

Now, I will work on the letter to Belgium

[Senkaku]

How many of them will there be?

15,000 starving conscripts begging to come home

a quarter of them will freeze to death

[Alleniana]

This is definitely going out on a limb, but does anyone here speak Finnish? I was going to semi-incorporate it into my post, and I just need two phrases...

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You of lais. Hellas ist of Grorious Fatherland.

Greece and Romania are the only non-shit Balkans, and even then wouldn't stand much of a chance. Simply put, if Germany becomes communist, there'll be nobody, literally, nobody, who can stand up to them on the European continent. Russia, even if white, is screwed over, Austria as a GP has already ceased to exist, and of course, France and Italy are commie. The SPs who might blanda up against them, Scandinavia, Netherlands, Belgium, Greece, Romania, Switzerland and Poland, aren't in a great position; Belgium, Romania, Greece and Netherlands and Poland are freshly tired and rebuilding after the Great War, and Romania, Poland and Switzerland have very little hope of foreign support due to their location with regards to sealanes (and thus also lack colonies). Greece and Romania might be able to cling on, but the rest would be firmly wedged into a continent of communists.
edit: also, the Balkans would quite possibly, even likely spawn more communists as Austro-Hungary declines and the little states start fighting each other. And Germany going commie would influence Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Galicia, etc.

This is definitely going out on a limb, but does anyone here speak Finnish? I was going to semi-incorporate it into my post, and I just need two phrases...

viewtopic.php?f=31&t=325676

[The New Lowlands]

still confused as to why Netherlands is rebuilding if they were either on the German side or not in it at all, but you make a good point, Allen.

[Alleniana]

still confused as to why Netherlands is rebuilding if they were either on the German side or not in it at all, but you make a good point, Allen.

March 1913: German offensives in the Western front destroy Benelux armies in a matter of weeks.

I assumed that meant Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg as Benelux conventionally refers to, but I do admit that Netherlands having been involved doesn't make the most sense.

[The New Lowlands]

still confused as to why Netherlands is rebuilding if they were either on the German side or not in it at all, but you make a good point, Allen.

March 1913: German offensives in the Western front destroy Benelux armies in a matter of weeks.

I assumed that meant Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg as Benelux conventionally refers to, but I do admit that Netherlands having been involved doesn't make the most sense.

Yeah, that's kind of the point. According to the history blurb, Germany lost the Rheinland (and therefore the whole war) in 1916 or something. :/

[Alleniana]

I assumed that meant Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg as Benelux conventionally refers to, but I do admit that Netherlands having been involved doesn't make the most sense.

Yeah, that's kind of the point. According to the history blurb, Germany lost the Rheinland (and therefore the whole war) in 1916 or something. :/

Eh, we can work around it. Factbooks should be primary source of info.
edit: BTW, http://i.imgur.com/NprMLW8.png is a map with many errors corrected (dozens of random dots/slightly-larger-than-dots, Poland-related retcon corrections, etc.)

[Caltarania]

That's exactly my point. I mean if we look at the traditional Great Powers [+ China]:

Capitalist: Columbia, the UK, Germany, China,Japan,Austria [Hue].
Socialist: France, Italy
Civil War: Russia [Whites be winning, though]

Yes, the socialists are at a disadvantage, but not in mainland Europe. If Germany goes socialist, there's no major continental powers to stop the United Socialist States of Europe. A map of socialists vs capitalists in Europe: http://i.imgur.com/azB1voO.png The Balkans being shit, you can imagine if Germany went commie, or even just Russia.

The Socialists really have no power in Europe barring France. For the last time, Spain is about to enter a civil war, and Italy is... well. Italy.

That map shows an even Europe, but that map isn't exactly showing the whole picture. Spain isn't technically even aligned yet, for one, and secondly when they do decide to align they'll have to waste all their manpower fighting a civil war... not that Spain is really relevant anyway.

I still maintain that Germany going socialist adds balance, because even if literally all of Europe falls to socialism, Columbia would still be able to roll over it.

Yeah, that's kind of the point. According to the history blurb, Germany lost the Rheinland (and therefore the whole war) in 1916 or something. :/

Eh, we can work around it. Factbooks should be primary source of info.
edit: BTW, http://i.imgur.com/NprMLW8.png is a map with many errors corrected (dozens of random dots/slightly-larger-than-dots, Poland-related retcon corrections, etc.)

Taiwan should be Japanese.

[Alleniana]

Yes, the socialists are at a disadvantage, but not in mainland Europe. If Germany goes socialist, there's no major continental powers to stop the United Socialist States of Europe. A map of socialists vs capitalists in Europe: http://i.imgur.com/azB1voO.png The Balkans being shit, you can imagine if Germany went commie, or even just Russia.

The Socialists really have no power in Europe barring France. For the last time, Spain is about to enter a civil war, and Italy is... well. Italy.

That map shows an even Europe, but that map isn't exactly showing the whole picture. Spain isn't technically even aligned yet, for one, and secondly when they do decide to align they'll have to waste all their manpower fighting a civil war... not that Spain is really relevant anyway.

I still maintain that Germany going socialist adds balance, because even if literally all of Europe falls to socialism, Columbia would still be able to roll over it.

Italy could beat any of the SPs I mentioned, especially fresh out of the revolution as it is (power of Italy ∝ 1/time since the nation's last government change or founding), and it's not as if France isn't power enough, considering that it too could beat any of the SPs even more easily, even if they're relatively far away. Didn't know about the Spanish Civil War, but in any case, that's still not positive for the capitalists (unless a capitalist side in the civil war immediately lolstomps, which is unlikely considering you're suggesting manpower will be depleted). And no, it's not technically aligned, but it might as well be.

'The Socialists really have no power in Europe barring France."
The capitalists really have no power in (continental) Europe barring Germany. It's impossible to expect that any power, even a nation like OP Columbia, could hope to defeat most of a continent, with several GPs on it, via amphibious landing, and across an ocean. The UK could perhaps beat Italy, and Columbia might be able to beat France and Estonia, but throw Spain (even a retarded), Ukraine and other USSR splinters, and various Balkan nations that could quite easily go commie, and Europe is already balanced. Add Germany in, and the communists can't help but win.

Yes, we haven't got a balance, but no, Germany is not the way to go to create one. And, in any case, whether Germany goes commie should be based on whether its likely to anyway, rather than how good it would be for the plot, and IMO, a freshly formed democracy is unlikely to suddenly turn communist. Even Hitler took longer than that, and I would like to see the Great Depression and stuff roll around before we get to that sort of thing.

Eh, we can work around it. Factbooks should be primary source of info.
edit: BTW, http://i.imgur.com/NprMLW8.png is a map with many errors corrected (dozens of random dots/slightly-larger-than-dots, Poland-related retcon corrections, etc.)

Taiwan should be Japanese.

It's a map of the world as it was when we begun the RP (MiM2).

[The New Lowlands]

Wait, does Germany own Belize? :u

[Alleniana]

Wait, does Germany own Belize? :u

No, slightly different shade.
However, pending my realisation about Silesia, and fixing yet another random dot, this time in Lorraine, newer map
http://i.imgur.com/LNAdmHH.png
edit: Neo, Krys, you ok with this? Poland has gotten another province of Russia and Germany has gained 2 provinces of Silesia and 2 provinces of Prussia, 3 from Poland and 1 from Austria, reason being that a retcon was agreed upon about Prussia because Poland owning Prussia is silly, and because Silesia was originally meant to be entirely German but I got it wrong and recommended the wrong provinces to Svet.

[Bujahla]

To correct a lot of points, the only actual socialist nation is Italy. France is still in a civil war and who knows how long it will take for me to be able to conquer Algeria. Spain is neutral and then will face a civil war that'll push it back. With Colombia actually getting involved in European politics, the socialists will have very little influence and it's hardly balanced. Now on Germany, they should have a decently sized socialist-leaning people in it's nation due to being heavily industrialized and because they did IRL hence why it was rather liberal under Wilhelm to appease them. Not saying they should go completely socialist, but I don't think they should be super hard-line at the very least.

[Kryskov]

Wait, does Germany own Belize? :u

No, slightly different shade.
However, pending my realisation about Silesia, and fixing yet another random dot, this time in Lorraine, newer map
http://i.imgur.com/LNAdmHH.png
edit: Neo, Krys, you ok with this? Poland has gotten another province of Russia and Germany has gained 2 provinces of Silesia and 2 provinces of Prussia, 3 from Poland and 1 from Austria, reason being that a retcon was agreed upon about Prussia because Poland owning Prussia is silly, and because Silesia was originally meant to be entirely German but I got it wrong and recommended the wrong provinces to Svet.

I guess. Doesn't really affect me enough to care.

[Neo-Assyrian Empire]

Wait, does Germany own Belize? :u

No, slightly different shade.
However, pending my realisation about Silesia, and fixing yet another random dot, this time in Lorraine, newer map
http://i.imgur.com/LNAdmHH.png
edit: Neo, Krys, you ok with this? Poland has gotten another province of Russia and Germany has gained 2 provinces of Silesia and 2 provinces of Prussia, 3 from Poland and 1 from Austria, reason being that a retcon was agreed upon about Prussia because Poland owning Prussia is silly, and because Silesia was originally meant to be entirely German but I got it wrong and recommended the wrong provinces to Svet.

Germoney am steal polish clay D:

Yeah, it's fine by me, as long as I don't have to give up any more land.

[Kryskov]

Wait hold on, in this RP, why do I have less land than in 1914?

[Bujahla]

But for real, any ideas on how to assault Algeria?

[Kryskov]

But for real, any ideas on how to assault Algeria?

The trouble with Algeria is that it lacks a significant industrial base to have workers revolt in (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just speculating). I mean, I don't find nomadic Berbers particularly socialist.

[Kargintina]

But for real, any ideas on how to assault Algeria?

You could go through Spain when they go Commie,
Or ask Italy to go through Libya when they go Commie.

[Bujahla]

But for real, any ideas on how to assault Algeria?

The trouble with Algeria is that it lacks a significant industrial base to have workers revolt in (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just speculating). I mean, I don't find nomadic Berbers particularly socialist.

I'm thinking of seizing back the Third Republics naval assessts in the north of the country. After that launch a blockade on Algeria and force the Third Republic into submission. Perhaps use Algerians to attack the Third Republics in return for increased representation after the colonies are taken back.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

The trouble with Algeria is that it lacks a significant industrial base to have workers revolt in (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just speculating). I mean, I don't find nomadic Berbers particularly socialist.

I'm thinking of seizing back the Third Republics naval assessts in the north of the country. After that launch a blockade on Algeria and force the Third Republic into submission. Perhaps use Algerians to attack the Third Republics in return for increased representation after the colonies are taken back.

Blockading Algeria won't give you that much... After all, they mainly live off land routes from Egypt to Sub-Saharan Africa. Caravans are their shtick, not naval trade. And you can promise whatever you want, but those Algerians will probably put up their own monarchy before they helped the socialist likes fo you.

[Kryskov]

The trouble with Algeria is that it lacks a significant industrial base to have workers revolt in (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just speculating). I mean, I don't find nomadic Berbers particularly socialist.

I'm thinking of seizing back the Third Republics naval assessts in the north of the country. After that launch a blockade on Algeria and force the Third Republic into submission. Perhaps use Algerians to attack the Third Republics in return for increased representation after the colonies are taken back.

I assume you would blockade the Ivory Coast as well?

Could work, but I doubt the Third Republic would be facing opposition from Algerians, considering that the nation practically is Algeria now. I would expect much of the 3rd Republic, after a while, to be composed of Algerians, so I would actually put them in the "anti-Socialist" category.

[Bujahla]

I'm thinking of seizing back the Third Republics naval assessts in the north of the country. After that launch a blockade on Algeria and force the Third Republic into submission. Perhaps use Algerians to attack the Third Republics in return for increased representation after the colonies are taken back.

Blockading Algeria won't give you that much... After all, they mainly live off land routes from Egypt to Sub-Saharan Africa. Caravans are their shtick, not naval trade. And you can promise whatever you want, but those Algerians will probably put up their own monarchy before they helped the socialist likes fo you.

*face palm*

I'm thinking of seizing back the Third Republics naval assessts in the north of the country. After that launch a blockade on Algeria and force the Third Republic into submission. Perhaps use Algerians to attack the Third Republics in return for increased representation after the colonies are taken back.

I assume you would blockade the Ivory Coast as well?

Could work, but I doubt the Third Republic would be facing opposition from Algerians, considering that the nation practically is Algeria now. I would expect much of the 3rd Republic, after a while, to be composed of Algerians, so I would actually put them in the "anti-Socialist" category.

The Third Republic is the old government. It's made up of mostly conservative anti-socialists. It is a bunch of old white (french) people. It wouldn't be made up of Algerians in the least bit. It is still fighting the civil war and has a rather large army that is located in the colonies now. It isn't going to assimilate the Algerians since the war isn't over and they are rather racist (and so are the socialists, but they are less so). It's no question as in if they are Anti-Socialists or not, it's how can the FSR retake the colonies from the Third Republic.