Midnight in Moscow, Mk. III(OOC/Applications) (OPEN)

[Caltarania]

No one wins when you have two million dead.

What if three million are born....Then it's a net gain.

Ten million could be born, you'd still have two million dead in a pointless conflict.

These aren't fucking numbers, they're people. A war in which one person dies is a tragedy in and of itself, never mind a million.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

What if three million are born....Then it's a net gain.

Ten million could be born, you'd still have two million dead in a pointless conflict.

These aren't fucking numbers, they're people. A war in which one person dies is a tragedy in and of itself, never mind a million.

*shrug* It's war, people die, They die for their country so they die for a glorious thing.

[The New Lowlands]

Ten million could be born, you'd still have two million dead in a pointless conflict.

These aren't fucking numbers, they're people. A war in which one person dies is a tragedy in and of itself, never mind a million.

*shrug* It's war, people die, They die for their country so they die for a glorious thing.

so much glory it led to another war that germany also lost

checkmate, fascists

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

If I remember correctly, the Great War really happened at the Kaiser's coaxing.

Would not surprise me if it happened the same way here. Would not surprise me if the Germans wanted his head in exchange for their dead sons, husbands, brothers, fathers etc.

Ten million could be born, you'd still have two million dead in a pointless conflict.

These aren't fucking numbers, they're people. A war in which one person dies is a tragedy in and of itself, never mind a million.

*shrug* It's war, people die, They die for their country so they die for a glorious thing.

Considering the reason for the Great War was entirely bullshit, I do not now how many Germans, Italians, Russians, Frenchies, British, etc. would agree.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

*shrug* It's war, people die, They die for their country so they die for a glorious thing.

so much glory it led to another war that germany also lost

checkmate, fascists

Germany just needs to stop invading Russia, I mean my lord.

[The Emerald Dragon]

so much glory it led to another war that germany also lost

checkmate, fascists

Germany France just needs to stop invading Russia, I mean my lord.

Topkekky, ICD.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

If I remember correctly, the Great War really happened at the Kaiser's coaxing.

Would not surprise me if it happened the same way here. Would not surprise me if the Germans wanted his head in exchange for their dead sons, husbands, brothers, fathers etc.

*shrug* It's war, people die, They die for their country so they die for a glorious thing.

Considering the reason for the Great War was entirely bullshit, I do not now how many Germans, Italians, Russians, Frenchies, British, etc. would agree.

Except you know even when they lost, The Kaiser was still seen as a symbol of German Conservatism and many actually disliked the Republic...

[The New Lowlands]

If I remember correctly, the Great War really happened at the Kaiser's coaxing.

Would not surprise me if it happened the same way here. Would not surprise me if the Germans wanted his head in exchange for their dead sons, husbands, brothers, fathers etc.



Considering the reason for the Great War was entirely bullshit, I do not now how many Germans, Italians, Russians, Frenchies, British, etc. would agree.

Except you know even when they lost, The Kaiser was still seen as a symbol of German Conservatism and many actually disliked the Republic...

Except that in this TL :1848: happened so the only people who still like the Kaiser are Junkers in moth-eaten uniforms, most of who were slaughtered in the Eastern Front

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Except you know even when they lost, The Kaiser was still seen as a symbol of German Conservatism and many actually disliked the Republic...

Except when they lost, the Germans still wanted him back from the Dutch and the Dutch refused to return him.

And now that they won, the Germans want him back and the Dutch are refusing to return him.

He was also seen as a symbol of German unity, nationalism, etc, by Hitler and the Nazis. Soooo I mean

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Except you know even when they lost, The Kaiser was still seen as a symbol of German Conservatism and many actually disliked the Republic...

Except that in this TL :1848: happened so the only people who still like the Kaiser are Junkers in moth-eaten uniforms, most of who were slaughtered in the Eastern Front

Yes, Don't worry I'm not suggesting you change anything, i'm just talking about the real world.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Except you know even when they lost, The Kaiser was still seen as a symbol of German Conservatism and many actually disliked the Republic...

Except when they lost, the Germans still wanted him back from the Dutch and the Dutch refused to return him.

And now that they won, the Germans want him back and the Dutch are refusing to return him.

He was also seen as a symbol of German unity, nationalism, etc, by Hitler and the Nazis. Soooo I mean

He also despised the Nazi's and demanded they have nothing to do with his funeral, he called his own grandson a lost cause when he supported the Kristaalnacht

[Epraria]

What if three million are born....Then it's a net gain.

Ten million could be born, you'd still have two million dead in a pointless conflict.

These aren't fucking numbers, they're people. A war in which one person dies is a tragedy in and of itself, never mind a million.

"One death is a tragedy, a million a statistic."

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Except when they lost, the Germans still wanted him back from the Dutch and the Dutch refused to return him.

And now that they won, the Germans want him back and the Dutch are refusing to return him.

He was also seen as a symbol of German unity, nationalism, etc, by Hitler and the Nazis. Soooo I mean

He also despised the Nazi's and demanded they have nothing to do with his funeral, he called his own grandson a lost cause when he supported the Kristaalnacht

Indeed he did, but that does not dismiss the fact that the Nazis viewed him as a symbol of German nationalism, used him to try and claim their validity as the Third Reich, and then still showed up to his funeral with their flags and banners everywhere - despite his own wishes.

Basically, regardless of what the Kaiser wanted, he was still viewed and treated as such by the Nazis. So I mean really, his whole symbolism is a tad sketchy.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

He also despised the Nazi's and demanded they have nothing to do with his funeral, he called his own grandson a lost cause when he supported the Kristaalnacht

Indeed he did, but that does not dismiss the fact that the Nazis viewed him as a symbol of German nationalism, used him to try and claim their validity as the Third Reich, and then still showed up to his funeral with their flags and banners everywhere - despite his own wishes.

Basically, regardless of what the Kaiser wanted, he was still viewed and treated as such by the Nazis. So I mean really, his whole symbolism is a tad sketchy.

I find that especially odd since Hitler despised the Kaiser.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

I find that especially odd since Hitler despised the Kaiser.

In short

[Caltarania]

Except you know even when they lost, The Kaiser was still seen as a symbol of German Conservatism and many actually disliked the Republic...

Except when they lost, the Germans still wanted him back from the Dutch and the Dutch refused to return him.

And now that they won, the Germans want him back and the Dutch are refusing to return him.

He was also seen as a symbol of German unity, nationalism, etc, by Hitler and the Nazis. Soooo I mean

Fun fact: Friedrich Ebert, leader of the SPD and first President of Germany, wanted to create a Constitutional Monarchy after WWI, under Wilhelm, but was forced to found a republic due to reasons.

(e.i Wilhelm was so much of a symbol of German unification that even some socialists saw him as their rightful leader)

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

I find that especially odd since Hitler despised the Kaiser.

In short

Meinem glorious cousin C:

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Fun fact: Friedrich Ebert, leader of the SPD and first President of Germany, wanted to create a Constitutional Monarchy after WWI, under Wilhelm, but was forced to found a republic due to reasons.

(e.i Wilhelm was so much of a symbol of German unification that even some socialists saw him as their rightful leader)

Does not entirely surprise me in all honesty.

I mean unity and nationalism is really the only reason countries keep their monarchs around. Besides, after losing a war you need something to keep up nationalism and unity - a monarch is usually good at that.

However, Wilhelm was just an unfortunate idiot in a very powerful position. I dunno if the monarchy could have been saved because of him. Sorta like Victor Emmanuel III of Italy. If they both abdicated much sooner, perhaps their heirs would have been able to carry on their House. But no people are dense af.

I MEAN WE COULD HAVE HAD A GAY KING OF ITALY WHAT THE HELL MAN. /rageover

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Fun fact: Friedrich Ebert, leader of the SPD and first President of Germany, wanted to create a Constitutional Monarchy after WWI, under Wilhelm, but was forced to found a republic due to reasons.

(e.i Wilhelm was so much of a symbol of German unification that even some socialists saw him as their rightful leader)

Does not entirely surprise me in all honesty.

I mean unity and nationalism is really the only reason countries keep their monarchs around. Besides, after losing a war you need something to keep up nationalism and unity - a monarch is usually good at that.

However, Wilhelm was just an unfortunate idiot in a very powerful position. I dunno if the monarchy could have been saved because of him. Sorta like Victor Emmanuel III of Italy. If they both abdicated much sooner, perhaps their heirs would have been able to carry on their House. But no people are dense af.

I MEAN WE COULD HAVE HAD A GAY KING OF ITALY WHAT THE HELL MAN. /rageover

*Possibly gay could have been bisexual
And Umberto II was a really swell guy, Would have loved him as a King.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

*Possibly gay could have been bisexual
And Umberto II was a really swell guy, Would have loved him as a King.

*More than likely gay.

[Epraria]

*Possibly gay could have been bisexual
And Umberto II was a really swell guy, Would have loved him as a King.

*More than likely gay.

He won't get close to the Italian throne anyway.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

*More than likely gay.

He won't get close to the Italian throne anyway.

he was king....for 34 days.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

*More than likely gay.

He won't get close to the Italian throne anyway.

He is off in Luxembourg anyways. Would you mind if I have him marry Marie Jose like he actually did?

[Epraria]

He won't get close to the Italian throne anyway.

He is off in Luxembourg anyways. Would you mind if I have him marry Marie Jose like he actually did?

Not at all. I don't control the Italian Royal family after all. The Socialist Government will just be kind of annoyed that they can't get their hands on the Savoy family.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

He is off in Luxembourg anyways. Would you mind if I have him marry Marie Jose like he actually did?

Not at all. I don't control the Italian Royal family after all. The Socialist Government will just be kind of annoyed that they can't get their hands on the Savoy family.

Ah good, so you do not mind if I RP them? Or at least their interactions with my royals.

Lovely c:

And no Savoys for you >:c