389th Orbital Police Corps [Chat]

[Isle of Lithonia]

Well, Ruki's going to be completely caught off guard by how Lizzy dealt with what he told her...

He expected her to complain. She's a hard worker.

No, he expected her to be at least a tad bit embarrassed that she stripped her top off and then tried to seduce him.

[Senkaku]

Let me know if I missed anything.

"Major" Superpowers - Significant Key Players in International Politics (In order of power. Examples being China, Russia, US, etc.)

The Democratic Empire of Congo

• Empire of Congo
  
  • DRC
  • Congo
  • Rwanda
  • Burundi
  
  Client States:
  
• The Administrative Republic of Gabon
  
  • Gabon
  • Equatorial Guinea
• East African Federation
  
  • Kenya
  • Tanzania
  • Uganda

• Brazil
• Central Asian Union (CAU for short - Modern day Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Kyrgyzstan)
• Mexico

"Minor" Superpowers - Lesser Key Players in International Politics (Not in order of power. Examples being UK, France, Saudi Arabia, etc.)

• Nigeria (Oil, Uranium and other valuable materials/minerals. Need I explain?)
• Kurdistan & Syria (Shortened to K&S from now on. Reason: Main player in Middle East politics, strong economy & military.)
• Pakistan (...? Debatable)
• United States of America (Serious decline from today. In advance: can it Rnclave, it's not up for discussion.)
• Poland (Stepped up as the next Germany of the EU as Germany saw a dramatic population increase that sent it flying into the ground)
• Turkey (Same as Poland, a country that filled the vacuum space left by the Western European countries)
• Egypt/North African Dominion (Saw the peaceful annexation of Libya and the short Sudanese-Egyptian war in order for Egypt to dominate the Nile River to support its growing population)
• Indonesia (Filled the power vacuum left by China)
• Argentina (Simply here because Argentina stabilized partially, grew in size and had the balls to take the Falklands and Sandwich Islands from the UK. GG boys)
• Spain (Serious decline, only here because everyone felt sorry for Spain)
• United Kingdom (Same as the US, serious decline in living style and economy)
• Sub-Saharan Union (SSU) (Consisting of Guinea, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Ghana, Burkina Faso, Cote d'Ivoire, Togo and Benin in order to protect each other from the growing powers of Mali, Niger and Nigeria)
• The Union of Western Sahara, Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia (UWSMAT) (Consisting of, obviously, Western Sahara, Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia. This was primarily mainly driven by political and economic reasons due to the near collapse of the European Union in 2081. UWSMAT has their own currency (the North African Mark [M$ 1.00 = T# {Talent, the modern currency of the Western World} 0.28]). Probably the sixth most powerful inter-nation union/alliance in the world right now.)

Southern African Union - Union under a democratic leadership against the DEC + Client States

• The New South African Republic
  
  • South Africa
  • Lesotho
  • Swaziland
• Namibia
• Botswana
• Zimbabwe
• Mozambique
• Malawi
• Madagascar

Kk, I feel the urge to pick this apart because it is really bothering me. Expect a post soon.

[Ontorisa]

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African superpowers? Your point of divergence would have to be before 2000 and why is it not up for discussion? Because I could prove you wrong? And these African unions. Are possible but a NAU isn't?

Okay *ahem*

The Democratic Empire of Congo is not a union formed peacefully. It was formed through DRC using its natural resources illegally to stabilize itself before using its large population, conscripting it, arming them, then going on a rampage of conquest and such. This took place approximately around 2040-2050.

The Southern African Union was formed in response to the DEC's aggressive expansion in Africa. Led by South Africa, its neighbours (except for Swaziland and Lesotho, they were annexed [Lesotho peacefully, Swaziland forcefully]) banded together for protection against the DEC, since it obtained a non-aggression pact with the Central African Republic and South Sudan (if anything they got a defensive & economic alliance with both countries).

The Sub-Saharan Union is no means a military nor economic superpower, but rather a political one since they strategically control the Sub-Saharan coast of Africa. They were formed in light of the growth in Niger, Nigeria and Mali, which would have eventually led to conflicts and war with these growing powers.

The Union of Western Sahara, Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia is an economic union, not a military one. It was formed shortly following the EU abandoning the Euro for the Talent. UWSMAT bonded together since their currencies (kind of?) relied on the Euro so with the Euro gone, they decided to create their own version of the EU. Of course, it's nothing like the EU but it still is powerful economically.

Finally, the North African Dominion/what Egypt has been doing this entire time: seizing control of the Nile River and peacefully integrating Libya. The NAD is not a collection of independent nations under the same ideology, but Egypt controlling Sudan, itself and Libya as integrated parts of Egypt. Basically, it's the new Egyptian Empire.

If you could prove me wrong on the North American Union, then I would've love to have you prove me wrong. So far, what countries you have offered have been super unlikely (seriously, there would be no reason for a North American Union. There's no reliance on each other economically, no military threats and no need for it since America and Canada would maintain said good diplomatic relations with each other for sometime).

-snip-

I don't think Congo would be more than a regional power, though we may find ourselves in a time when only regional powers are in dominance. Still, those look like what we discussed. We may want to shelve deciding who is a superpower until we have figured out everyone who is any kind of power.

You sure? They're quite big and since they've managed to get this far we would have to classify them as a military superpower, similar to what Russia is today since their economy is the shittest thing I've ever seen since my dog this morning.

Okay, the reason why a bunch of these countries have been written off would be them collapsing under the:

1. Economic decline of today's currencies in the future (US, China, Russia)
2. The influx/abrupt population surge in every single country due to human populations and the Viir (US, China, Russia, India)
3. Simply because their power eroded (US)

Although I do like the new source of ideas of Saudi Arabia, Thailand, Pakistan, Belarus and Ukraine collapsing indefinitely, we're going with DR Congo resorting to illegal methods (blood diamonds, the use of the military to forcefully take over the diamond camps) in order to set themselves back on track (but this is like in 2040, so a long time from now). Turkey would have incredible instability, but not enough to send it packing and collapsing on itself. We're theorizing that it will self-stabilize in 2070, enough time for it to fill a power vacuum in Europe.

A- With the ruble, maybe. Possibly even with the rupee. The dollar and the renminbi? I very much about it; the only reason the renminbi has a lower value today is because the Chinese like it that way. Kinda seems like this is just bullshit so we can be like "oh yes, tiny countries are now world powers" (I'll clarify, I mean that in a nice way, not a "fuck y'all" way )
B- Really? How many billions of Viir showed up to reduce China and India to complete irrelevance? It'd have to be quite a few, probably enough to cause the total collapse of agriculture and human society.
C- See A. This, again, seems a little bit like bullshit to give us room to play with other countries. Which I don't object to, but let's not pretend it's realistic, then. Barring an invasion that seriously damages her infrastructure, military, and population (see: Great Patriotic War/Operation Barbarossa), a massive nuclear attack, or a civil war, the United States will remain large, developed, populous, and will retain a very strong military that is, at least today, miles ahead of everyone else.

A - Inflation, debts starting to take strain on countries and so forth. By the time this RP occurs, we're on the Talent, the Swiss-run international currency which is 150 times better than any other currency we have possessed before.

B - Discrimination, unrest and paying for their education, health care and so forth. As well, superpower statuses do not last a life time.

C - Here we go again. Regardless if the US remains a dominant military power (which it will for sometime, possibly until the end of the 23rd Century where its quality will start to take a hit), their economy is garbage and since they would have switched to the Talent, their debt would have probably been reduced to 8 Trillion Talents, which is still pretty big. As well, we're talking a massive growth in population. Medium-sized countries with giant populations tend to suffer, a lot. I mean, honestly, I would love to have Canada as a walking tank superpower with a population of 1 billion, but no. Being realistic here, Canada's current economy (which is decent) would crumble under the weight. Same with other countries who rely on America's markets.

@Senkaku

Looking forward to it

Good Luck and let's have fun debating this

Lith, mind refereeing this?

[Of The Rnclave]

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I don't think Congo would be more than a regional power, though we may find ourselves in a time when only regional powers are in dominance. Still, those look like what we discussed. We may want to shelve deciding who is a superpower until we have figured out everyone who is any kind of power.

African superpowers? Your point of divergence would have to be before 2000 and why is it not up for discussion? Because I could prove you wrong? And these African unions. Are possible but a NAU isn't?

Easy pal. It's not that it isn't up for discussion, we are just running on the assumption of a collapsed American economy (which may require me to change up my back story some since Duncan should be from a first rate military. This is pretty much just spitballing at this point.

I'm going for a NAU so the us and Canada remain a superpower as not to fuck up so many back ground. Stories

[Ontorisa]

I don't think Congo would be more than a regional power, though we may find ourselves in a time when only regional powers are in dominance. Still, those look like what we discussed. We may want to shelve deciding who is a superpower until we have figured out everyone who is any kind of power.

Easy pal. It's not that it isn't up for discussion, we are just running on the assumption of a collapsed American economy (which may require me to change up my back story some since Duncan should be from a first rate military. This is pretty much just spitballing at this point.

I'm going for a NAU so the us and Canada remain a superpower as not to fuck up so many back ground. Stories

Again, unlikely.

Not sure what nationality you are, but we Canadians value our freedom. Hell, if anything, if the proposal of an NAU was brought up, we would simply say: "1812, never forget".

Having a union means you need a common goal, and retaining a superpower status is not the best goal to have.

European Union was an economic union to unite all of Europe under the same currency and to protect against the advances of Russia to the East (which recently shows that the EU did not think the whole protection thing through and relied on Russia for gas: good job guys).

So a North American Union (again, not liking the idea seeming that there is no reason behind it other than to have Canada peacefully annexed or something like that) is highly unlikely since Canada and the US would already use the same currency (the Talent).

[Isle of Lithonia]

Lith, mind refereeing this?

I'll be watching.

[Ontorisa]

Lith, mind refereeing this?

I'll be watching.

Thanks

[Senkaku]

Please keep in mind that even if my phrasing comes across as harsh, this is intended as polite criticism in a fun debate.

First off, a lot of these countries don't have the kind of population it takes to be superpowers. Big population means you can have big economy which means you can have big military, which makes you a superpower. There are some exceptions to this rule. There are not many (see: USSR vs. USA, PRC vs. ROC, British Empire vs. Kaiserreich).
Secondly, you seem to equate population growth with economic failure, which is just not true.


1. Democratic Empire of Congo.


I'm sorry, you're telling me the DR Congo somehow picked itself up, dusted itself off, conquered all its neighbors, and became a SUPERPOWER? Aw hell naw. The DRC's military is pathetic and mostly propped up by the UN. What little money it does have is wasted through corruption, and warlords better equipped than the military in some cases control most of the population and nearly all the major sources of income (the coltan mines). There is basically no infrastructure, and foreign corporations are perfectly happy to keep it divided and a wreck so they can buy cheap coltan. I very much doubt even the combined forces of the American armed forces and the PLA could pacify and unify it, much less do that and THEN conquer the surrounding countries, all of which are better developed than the DRC with the possible exception of the Republic of the Congo. And if, somehow, you managed to do this (and also build a unicorn-filled fantasyland out of chocolate on the Jovian moons), then the resulting country wouldn't be a superpower. It'd be a fucking mess of a thousand competing minor ethnicities and language groups and foreign corporations and corrupt officials and convicts, without any real infrastructure or industry, that would collapse into a pile of charred, bloody ruins the moment the great powers moved even one soldier out of it.

2. East African Federation.
Actually, this is somewhat plausible, geopolitically. But Uganda and Tanzania (and I suppose Kenya too) are all kind of rising African stars that could very easily develop rivalries, they all lack a lot of basic infrastructure, and Kenya and Uganda are both near major trouble areas (DRC and Somalia) and have active insurgencies or terror movements (LRA and Al-Shabab). There's also the Muslim-Christian divide to consider.

3. Brazil.
Sure, fine, whatever. They could be.

4. Central Asian Union.
Lolnope. The Stans are rife with corruption and are ruled by strongman dictators. They have shitty militaries and weak economies that are very dependent on resources. They also have lots and lots of the ethnic issues that are currently ripping much smaller and less unwieldy countries like Afghanistan and Iraq apart- Uzbeks, Turkmens, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Tajiks, probably some Russians and Chinese and Pashtun and maybe Armenians.... Yeah, it'd end badly. They don't exactly have awesome relations today, although they aren't terrible.

5. Nigeria.
Nigeria, like Brazil, is one of your reasonably plausible suggestions.

6. Kurdistan and Syria.
Kurdistan? Maybe. The Kurds have strong security forces, a firm grip on their territory, reasonably competent leaders, and teh oilz. I could see Kurdistan joining the ranks of countries like Qatar and the UAE and investing so they don't have to rely on oil forever. But Kurdistan and SYRIA? First off, the Kurds could never take all of Syria. They're simply not strong enough. Secondly, why would they? Syria is a fucking mess and shows no signs of improving. Either it'll stay a sectarian, collapsing, terrorist-filled hellhole that the Kurds might fence off and bomb occasionally, or Assad will retake control and there'll be a mini-Cold War.
Kurdistan could become powerful, but not with Syria dragging it down.

7. Pakistan.

No. Pakistan is already crumbling today.

8. America
I'm unsure of how serious the economic collapse was. But no matter how bad it was, really, the U.S. is still large, populous, has good infrastructure and lots of industry, and the military is advanced, large, and generally very good. It'd take major political upheaval (like, a civil war) to break America this badly.

9. Poland
I hope this is just Polandball humor or something. Seriously? Because Germany grew? Germany, out of all the countries in the EU, is probably the best equipped to handle growth. Additionally, this raises a larger issue, which is that you seem to equate population growth with economic failure. That's not true. Poland, however, could definitely step up some, it already has a good democracy and military, if a slightly weak economy. But it will not replace Germany in the foreseeable future.

10. Turkey
Eh, I could see Turkey as a secondary power.

11. Egypt
Perhaps. I'd need to know more about this Sudanese War to say for sure, but perhaps.

12. Indonesia
Okay, Indonesia could definitely become a secondary power, but not just because China went away (and I've already expressed my doubt China will just go away). Indonesia is large enough to become a secondary power in its own right.

13. Argentina
Taking some frigid little islands doesn't turn you into a power.

14. Spain
If it's there because you felt bad for it, and you're looking for realism, it shouldn't be there. I've been to Spain and know a bunch of people from there and stay on top of their politics (a little). Spain is not gonna do well for the next century or so.

15. UK
And, same as US, idk how bad the collapse was, but the UK has a large and educated population, lots of industrial assets, and a strong military. Just sweeping it into irrelevancy seems foolish.

16. Sub-Saharan Union
Like the other African countries, this seems to be a pact concocted out of handwavium, silliness, and some bullshit. These are politically unstable countries with dozens of ethnic and language groups that have little to no infrastructure, weak economies, and pathetic militaries. And these ones don't even have that many resources (I suppose Guinea has lots of peanuts?)

Also, Ebola.


17. North African thingy with a long name
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
No. Morocco and Algeria have an extremely adversarial relationship, and Western Sahara is not actually a recognized country, but rather a region of Morocco that has been dealing with the rebellion of the Algerian-backed Polisario Front, which declares it independent, for many years. I don't understand why people put it on world maps, it doesn't really exist. Additionally, Tunisia is a new and apparently stable democracy that would probably be loath to give up its new freedoms in exchange for allies like Morocco and Algeria.

18. Southern African Union
Like many of your other African constructs, this has what I call "Lines On A Map Syndrome". RL Iraq has it too. It's when a whole bunch of places that, for many reasons, should be separate, get thrown together for no real reason other than shits and giggles. Most of these countries have almost zero infrastructure, poor or collapsed economies, terrible militaries, loads of ethnic divisions, and also religious differences (Christian vs Muslim vs animist). It mixes in stable democracies (none of which are exactly rich or powerful, and in Botswana's case they're actually still pretty poor and with little infrastructure) that wouldn't ever want a part of this with poor, weak, unstable states with zero infrastructure.

Also, you did miss something: most of the continent of Asia. And North America.

[Senkaku]

African superpowers? Your point of divergence would have to be before 2000 and why is it not up for discussion? Because I could prove you wrong? And these African unions. Are possible but a NAU isn't?

Okay *ahem*

The Democratic Empire of Congo is not a union formed peacefully. It was formed through DRC using its natural resources illegally to stabilize itself before using its large population, conscripting it, arming them, then going on a rampage of conquest and such. This took place approximately around 2040-2050.

Those same resources which are the very source of its instability?

A - Inflation, debts starting to take strain on countries and so forth. By the time this RP occurs, we're on the Talent, the Swiss-run international currency which is 150 times better than any other currency we have possessed before.

B - Discrimination, unrest and paying for their education, health care and so forth. As well, superpower statuses do not last a life time.

C - Here we go again. Regardless if the US remains a dominant military power (which it will for sometime, possibly until the end of the 23rd Century where its quality will start to take a hit), their economy is garbage and since they would have switched to the Talent, their debt would have probably been reduced to 8 Trillion Talents, which is still pretty big. As well, we're talking a massive growth in population. Medium-sized countries with giant populations tend to suffer, a lot. I mean, honestly, I would love to have Canada as a walking tank superpower with a population of 1 billion, but no. Being realistic here, Canada's current economy (which is decent) would crumble under the weight. Same with other countries who rely on America's markets.

@Senkaku

Looking forward to it

Good Luck and let's have fun debating this

Lith, mind refereeing this?

A- Again, this seems like it's just handwaving. I don't see anything backing your idea that the world's major economies are going to collapse. And we may be on the Talent, but that could just be because of the world's greater connectivity the great powers just found it easier.
B- Discrimination and unrest? Against aliens? That brought about the fall of the greatest world powers? I call bullshit. The riots during the Johnson presidency didn't bring the U.S. to its knees.
And paying for the education of beings who can't comprehend our language, might think in totally different ways, and who are total enigmas for the most part? What government in their right mind would do that?
Once again, it would take many billions of Viir to cause the enormous strain you describe, and they'd ALL have to move into the most populous countries (which I doubt anyone would be cool with, and since the UN would probably be overseeing a lot of this, idk why they're not all in Siberian camps or something).
C- The population growth you describe is, then, sufficient to destroy the economy of most major nations on Earth today. That would require an influx of billions of aliens and would lead to a global catastrophe that would probably see every government on Earth fall and billions die from war, plague, and starvation.

[Icrum]

@Icrum: Would Lizzy have asked Duncan to get some hard to find item for her? Nothing illegal, just difficult to find or potentially embarrassing to have in your possession.

Maybe.....

[Icrum]

He expected her to complain. She's a hard worker.

No, he expected her to be at least a tad bit embarrassed that she stripped her top off and then tried to seduce him.

Well, she was busy working.

[Senkaku]

I'll put forward an alternate group of great and secondary powers soon, but dinner is also coming up, so there could be a delay.

[Heraklea-]

@Icrum: Would Lizzy have asked Duncan to get some hard to find item for her? Nothing illegal, just difficult to find or potentially embarrassing to have in your possession.

Maybe.....

Such as? He has a shipment coming in soon.

[Isle of Lithonia]

@Icrum: Would Lizzy have asked Duncan to get some hard to find item for her? Nothing illegal, just difficult to find or potentially embarrassing to have in your possession.

Maybe.....

When is Lizzy gonna shoot up next? She'll need to do so at least once every couple days, otherwise she'll really start having withdrawals. And when she does shoot up, she'll act a little squirrely, and might become a bit more... forward and uninhibited.

[Icrum]

Maybe.....

When is Lizzy gonna shoot up next? She'll need to do so at least once every couple days, otherwise she'll really start having withdrawals. And when she does shoot up, she'll act a little squirrely, and might become a bit more... forward and uninhibited.

She isn't addicted yet.

[Charmera]

A Report on the observed nature of the Viir

Part I Society

Viir are a very close nit and hardy people and so they gravitate to form family units and on occasion large clans of ten to forty families. Due to Viir breeding and lifespans, most familes average at about six to eight people. We can assume clans on the Viir homeworld would be larger, but their current situation on earth has made that unlikely. The largest current clan is the Vaankan-diiori in northern Russia, with roughly 300 families.

Clans seem to be led either by the oldest living Clan member or a “Khajiir” elected by a conference of all the heads of all the clans families. The powers of a Khajiir are somewhat unclear to humans, likely due to the fact they differ from clan to clan and the fact that most Viir do not like talking to us.

However what we do know is that the Khajiir has the power to order a family to disown a family member. This is the worst fate possible for most Viir, as their name is forever struck from the records and they are banished from the clan forever. They are to be killed on sight by the clan if they ever return.

The main reason they seem to shun humanity is because they believe their culture would be infected by the “barbaric” nature of us humans seem to display. They especially disapprove of our tendency to eat in public, which they consider completely vile. However the Viir have opened up in some nations where they have been more accepted, especially in Africa and Asia.

[Isle of Lithonia]

She isn't addicted yet.

(Image)

Okay. Now I'm not confused anymore.

[Icrum]

Maybe.....

Such as? He has a shipment coming in soon.

She needs some Di-Fluxulator Engines, Two Dihydrogen Reactor Fields, some Micro-Meneesia (Her way of saying Micro-Chips), some whiskey, and some Hormel Spam.

[Icrum]

Gotcha. So we're all for the Southern African Union (SAU)?

I'll get the list back up in a sec with the updated nations on it.

Hera, mind TGing all the nations we've brainstormed and that we've consented to? I'll send it to Van and see whether or not he's okay with it.

@Icrum

1. Ehhhhh, but then you're out of place, got hostilities from Serbia, Croatia & Italy + over-extension and you're completely surrounded. Not worth the risk.
2. Yeah What? You expected we would stick to different currencies for so long?
4. Maybe. Unless if a brutal civil war took place (which would be unlikely since it would be more about race than politics due to the Viirites) then the Western and Eastern Americas would exist.

1. Huh. Maybe a peaceful Annexation.
2. No. Just found it interesting.
3. What I was imagining was that with the decline of the standard of living in A,Erica, all the conservatives would outright leave America and make Western America, and since America was in great debt, they could declare war. Ergo, no war. Then something about Canada. And Utah broke off and made Mormontopia for all the Mormons of the world.

[Ontorisa]

Please keep in mind that even if my phrasing comes across as harsh, this is intended as polite criticism in a fun debate.

First off, a lot of these countries don't have the kind of population it takes to be superpowers. Big population means you can have big economy which means you can have big military, which makes you a superpower. There are some exceptions to this rule. There are not many (see: USSR vs. USA, PRC vs. ROC, British Empire vs. Kaiserreich).
Secondly, you seem to equate population growth with economic failure, which is just not true.


1. Democratic Empire of Congo.


I'm sorry, you're telling me the DR Congo somehow picked itself up, dusted itself off, conquered all its neighbors, and became a SUPERPOWER? Aw hell naw. The DRC's military is pathetic and mostly propped up by the UN. What little money it does have is wasted through corruption, and warlords better equipped than the military in some cases control most of the population and nearly all the major sources of income (the coltan mines). There is basically no infrastructure, and foreign corporations are perfectly happy to keep it divided and a wreck so they can buy cheap coltan. I very much doubt even the combined forces of the American armed forces and the PLA could pacify and unify it, much less do that and THEN conquer the surrounding countries, all of which are better developed than the DRC with the possible exception of the Republic of the Congo. And if, somehow, you managed to do this (and also build a unicorn-filled fantasyland out of chocolate on the Jovian moons), then the resulting country wouldn't be a superpower. It'd be a fucking mess of a thousand competing minor ethnicities and language groups and foreign corporations and corrupt officials and convicts, without any real infrastructure or industry, that would collapse into a pile of charred, bloody ruins the moment the great powers moved even one soldier out of it.

2. East African Federation.
Actually, this is somewhat plausible, geopolitically. But Uganda and Tanzania (and I suppose Kenya too) are all kind of rising African stars that could very easily develop rivalries, they all lack a lot of basic infrastructure, and Kenya and Uganda are both near major trouble areas (DRC and Somalia) and have active insurgencies or terror movements (LRA and Al-Shabab). There's also the Muslim-Christian divide to consider.

3. Brazil.
Sure, fine, whatever. They could be.

4. Central Asian Union.
Lolnope. The Stans are rife with corruption and are ruled by strongman dictators. They have shitty militaries and weak economies that are very dependent on resources. They also have lots and lots of the ethnic issues that are currently ripping much smaller and less unwieldy countries like Afghanistan and Iraq apart- Uzbeks, Turkmens, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Tajiks, probably some Russians and Chinese and Pashtun and maybe Armenians.... Yeah, it'd end badly. They don't exactly have awesome relations today, although they aren't terrible.

5. Nigeria.
Nigeria, like Brazil, is one of your reasonably plausible suggestions.

6. Kurdistan and Syria.
Kurdistan? Maybe. The Kurds have strong security forces, a firm grip on their territory, reasonably competent leaders, and teh oilz. I could see Kurdistan joining the ranks of countries like Qatar and the UAE and investing so they don't have to rely on oil forever. But Kurdistan and SYRIA? First off, the Kurds could never take all of Syria. They're simply not strong enough. Secondly, why would they? Syria is a fucking mess and shows no signs of improving. Either it'll stay a sectarian, collapsing, terrorist-filled hellhole that the Kurds might fence off and bomb occasionally, or Assad will retake control and there'll be a mini-Cold War.
Kurdistan could become powerful, but not with Syria dragging it down.

7. Pakistan.

No. Pakistan is already crumbling today.

8. America
I'm unsure of how serious the economic collapse was. But no matter how bad it was, really, the U.S. is still large, populous, has good infrastructure and lots of industry, and the military is advanced, large, and generally very good. It'd take major political upheaval (like, a civil war) to break America this badly.

9. Poland
I hope this is just Polandball humor or something. Seriously? Because Germany grew? Germany, out of all the countries in the EU, is probably the best equipped to handle growth. Additionally, this raises a larger issue, which is that you seem to equate population growth with economic failure. That's not true. Poland, however, could definitely step up some, it already has a good democracy and military, if a slightly weak economy. But it will not replace Germany in the foreseeable future.

10. Turkey
Eh, I could see Turkey as a secondary power.

11. Egypt
Perhaps. I'd need to know more about this Sudanese War to say for sure, but perhaps.

12. Indonesia
Okay, Indonesia could definitely become a secondary power, but not just because China went away (and I've already expressed my doubt China will just go away). Indonesia is large enough to become a secondary power in its own right.

13. Argentina
Taking some frigid little islands doesn't turn you into a power.

14. Spain
If it's there because you felt bad for it, and you're looking for realism, it shouldn't be there. I've been to Spain and know a bunch of people from there and stay on top of their politics (a little). Spain is not gonna do well for the next century or so.

15. UK
And, same as US, idk how bad the collapse was, but the UK has a large and educated population, lots of industrial assets, and a strong military. Just sweeping it into irrelevancy seems foolish.

16. Sub-Saharan Union
Like the other African countries, this seems to be a pact concocted out of handwavium, silliness, and some bullshit. These are politically unstable countries with dozens of ethnic and language groups that have little to no infrastructure, weak economies, and pathetic militaries. And these ones don't even have that many resources (I suppose Guinea has lots of peanuts?)

Also, Ebola.


17. North African thingy with a long name
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
No. Morocco and Algeria have an extremely adversarial relationship, and Western Sahara is not actually a recognized country, but rather a region of Morocco that has been dealing with the rebellion of the Algerian-backed Polisario Front, which declares it independent, for many years. I don't understand why people put it on world maps, it doesn't really exist. Additionally, Tunisia is a new and apparently stable democracy that would probably be loath to give up its new freedoms in exchange for allies like Morocco and Algeria.

18. Southern African Union
Like many of your other African constructs, this has what I call "Lines On A Map Syndrome". RL Iraq has it too. It's when a whole bunch of places that, for many reasons, should be separate, get thrown together for no real reason other than shits and giggles. Most of these countries have almost zero infrastructure, poor or collapsed economies, terrible militaries, loads of ethnic divisions, and also religious differences (Christian vs Muslim vs animist). It mixes in stable democracies (none of which are exactly rich or powerful, and in Botswana's case they're actually still pretty poor and with little infrastructure) that wouldn't ever want a part of this with poor, weak, unstable states with zero infrastructure.

Also, you did miss something: most of the continent of Asia.

We haven't bothered to do Asia yet.

/Too many damn political things.

Damn, okay, you got me I think. I'll answer the ones that I can for now and then get back to you for others. Pakistan was just there for the shits and giggles though. I'll cut Argentina, Pakistan and Spain. Again, I was aiming for realism and a tiny bit of unlikely fantasy and maybe policy changes over the years. The reason why some of the former powers dropped was the amount of population surge that brought forth new waves of crime and unrest (notably the Viirites, we'll probably see more of that in the future in this RP). If you haven't noticed in my posts in this RP, Ottawa, one of the safest places in Canada, has now some of the highest crime rates in the future due to the Viirites (gangs and shit man).

Anyways, we're still trying to develop how these countries rose/were formed. Besides this, there has been time since 2014/2015 for these countries to fix themselves up. Ahem.

Anyways for K&S, the whole Syria thing is a title, much like the People's Republic in the PRC. This is territory that the Kurds managed to take from ISIS-controlled Syria. From this, it's mostly theory and speculation.

SSU, this is after, a long time after the whole Ebola incident, and they've been given tons of time to clean themselves up (which, with time, all countries will somehow manage. Don't believe me? Egypt's a decent, decent example. Tunisia, Mexico and Japan (from imperial to republic due to wars, damn). Of course, these guys are having trouble stabilizing but it was more out of fear of Mali, Niger and Nigeria.

DEC, again, we're banking on that they manage to stabilize over the years, irradiating their corruption and stabilizing their economy (probably through their typical illegal ways). Even though their military is shit (I could probably organize better troops over here), so are their neighbours, which allowed the DEC to use quantity over quality in this case, throwing mass waves of tribesmen at their enemies. Of course, as soon as they managed to expand further, establishing clients here and there, their income would have increased dramatically allowing them to possibly sort out problems plaguing them.

EAF is an actually, currently in the works, proposed federation that is occurring today, in real life. We just brought it up so that the DEC could establish it as a client state.

@Chamera

Looking good so far

You should probably mention how quickly they are able to pick up on local languages (since I have my character texting a Viir fluently).

[Charmera]

@Chamera

Looking good so far

You should probably mention how quickly they are able to pick up on local languages (since I have my character texting a Viir fluently).

I already put that in the main description

Oh before I forget, if Kiema has a last name, it'd be the name of his clan. His family name would be his middle name.

[Vancon]

I'm gonna look over your information in a bit.

I need to do something first.

[Ontorisa]

@Chamera

Looking good so far

You should probably mention how quickly they are able to pick up on local languages (since I have my character texting a Viir fluently).

I already put that in the main description

Oh before I forget, if Kiema has a last name, it'd be the name of his clan. His family name would be his middle name.

Kiema is his last name.

I always refer to characters by their last names.

His full name would probably be Hyme (Viiriak for Son) Hussanem Kiema

[Icrum]

I'm gonna look over your information in a bit.

I need to do something first.

Don't forget Western America!

[Ontorisa]

I'm gonna look over your information in a bit.

I need to do something first.

All of it?