389th Orbital Police Corps [Chat]

[Heraklea-]

Just ignore it for now, and we'll move on.

I'm not offended by it or anything, just curious cause I've never heard it before.

Let's just leave it at I have an extremely poor opinion of the GOP's base and discuss it no further.

Hmm.

So this basically:

The Democratic Empire of Congo

• Empire of Congo
  
  • DRC
  • Congo
  • Rwanda
  • Burundi
  
  Client States:
  
• The Administrative Republic of Gabon
  
  • Gabon
  • Equatorial Guinea
• East African Federation
  
  • Kenya
  • Tanzania
  • Uganda
• The New Central African Republic
  
  • The Central African Republic
  • South Sudan

Shit. That's a lot actually. DEC is OP and officially a Major Superpower.

United States of South Africa - United under the South African leadership against the DEC + Client States

• The New South African Republic
  
  • South Africa
  • Lesotho
  • Swaziland
• Namibia
• Botswana
• Zimbabwe
• Mozambique
• Angola
• Zambia

Look good? This looks like giant ass war is brewing.

Hm. Might be a bit too powerful, maybe no CAR or South Sudan. I didn't include Angola and Zambia because that's where the proxy wars were going to happen. If we're going to through them in though, we should probably and Malawi as well. Maybe Madascar to further help balance things.

And I intentionally used the name Southern Africa, to avoid the suggestion that it was just Greater South Africa.

[Ontorisa]

Well, it is all up to Van. You guys can bring your ideas to him, but he gets to decide whether or not to incorporate them. So don't get your hopes up too high.

What about:
Hungary
Sweden
Scotland
And everyone's favorite, America?

No sorry.

Hungary: Too small, Poland, Belgium, Netherlands or Denmark would step up and crush them economically.
Sweden: Ish. They have no military though and would be one of those superpowers that would be easily thrown down.
Scotland: UK still exists and they'll keep that iron political grip over the Scottish people probably.
America: We went through this previously. They would collapse under that crippling debt and go from a major superpower to a minor.

@Heraklea

Okay, we can just have CAR and South Sudan as an independent nation maybe?

Ohh right, totally forgot about the whole Angola and Zambia. Yeah, feel free to edit the list

Greater South Africa sounds good. We should probably solidify Africa and submit it before going back to the other continents.

[North America Inc]

Well, it is all up to Van. You guys can bring your ideas to him, but he gets to decide whether or not to incorporate them. So don't get your hopes up too high.

What about:
Hungary
Sweden
Scotland
And everyone's favorite, America?

I wouldnt get involved, this topic almost started a flame war.

[Ontorisa]

What about:
Hungary
Sweden
Scotland
And everyone's favorite, America?

I wouldnt get involved, this topic almost started a flame war.

*nod*

The whole America being a super power in the next century sure did spark the discussion. But you're allowed to put in your ideas, so as long as they're reasonable and do not commit the US as being a dominating super empire.

Again, Rnclave, sorry about that man No hard feelings right?

[Senkaku]

So, I'd just like to put up an idea for the political backstory, since reading through what people have come up with so far I have my doubts about the geopolitical realism of all of that, even with alien immigration and whatnot. I don't think we'll see HUGE restructuring, at least officially, of borders and political entities in the next hundred years or so, but you never know. I wrote out my ideas below. I'll add more as it comes to me.

I think overall borders are going to blur a little bit in the next century or so when this RP is set as the world becomes more interconnected and countries have to lean more on each other for support, but I don't think we'll have too many huge redrawing of borders.


My ideas on the great powers:

-India.
They've got a base to become a superpower even today, everyone just forgets about it. India has the "nuclear trinity" (air, missile, and subs), they have advanced force-projection assets (teh carrierz), they have a large population and an economy primed to grow hugely, they have a pretty good military... Even with a few million aliens or whatever (who might not necessarily want to immigrate to already-crowded and slightly crazy India, which also might not want THEM), India, barring an unexpected nuclear war, is going to be a major power in the next century.

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-China.
A lot of people seem to have written the Chinese off. Do they have their issues? Yes. Are they well on their way to having those issues dealt with? Also yes. And the Chinese economy, for all people are saying it's "slowing down", is still among the world's largest and is still the world's fastest-growing. The Chinese military is rapidly becoming a far more potent force as well (and it's already reasonably formidable), and Chinese leadership, while they have been aggressive lately in their foreign policy, also seem to be showing a growing maturity as they learn how to deal with their neighbors. The government is also working very hard to deal with their internal problems, and seems to be doing quite well so far. As long as World War Z doesn't break out, the PRC is definitely going to become/already is a leading world power.

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-America.
Just because America isn't going to be *as* powerful doesn't mean it still won't be. Barring a nuclear war or the zombie apocalypse, America should do just fine, especially if American leadership learns how to swallow their pride and actually try and deal productively with other countries like China.

A possible major power, depending on how things go in the next few years, could be Russia. Putin has been expanding Russian influence in Eastern Europe and Central Asia a lot lately, and while the Russian economy is currently tanking, I think it depends on the world's ongoing response as to whether Russia will into relevance or not in the coming years. If the pressure lets up, we could conceivably see Russia hugely expanding its influence over Belarus, the Baltics, Ukraine, and Central Asia.
Another possible is Brazil, but I think they'll probably still be a second-class power. Their corruption and crime and poverty hold them back disproportionately, and they don't have a humongonormous population like India to make up for it, nor do they have a particularly powerful military. Indonesia has similar issues to Brazil, as well as the added threats of Islamic extremism and loads of ethnic groups and tribes.

Second-class powers would definitely include France, Britain, and Germany, and possibly Turkey if they get their shit together and ditch Erdogan. Brazil would probably be either a low-ranking great power or a high-ranking secondary power. If Japan remilitarizes they could also stay on as a secondary power, and Nigeria could break into the ranks of the secondary powers if they get their shit together and kick Boko Haram's ass.


COUNTRIES THAT WILL OR MIGHT BREAK:


DR Congo. It barely exists anyways. I foresee it becoming some sort of protectorate or just a wasteland of fiefdoms, each centered around gold or coltan mines. Other countries like Somalia, Mali, Iraq (unless it splits up), and Yemen probably won't get much better either (Yemen'll be in real trouble when the water supply for their capital runs out).
Russia could break. If the West keeps up pressure, Russia's economy will tank, and it'll either get involved in a silly and failed war and Putin will get outed, or he'll just get hit by a coup and Russia will disintegrate. On the other hand, Russia could end up a great power, though.
Turkey. If Erdogan keeps going the way he has, the Kurds become more powerful, and Syria continues to destabilize things, Turkey could be in trouble.
Saudi Arabia could have issues as the population grows and the monarchy continues to age and destabilize, but I doubt it, based on their recent and very smooth succession.
Pakistan. I think it's obvious.
Thailand. Thailand has a huge divide between the poorer, populous, farming northeast and the capital and the established elite. The country already has serious divisions, it's not at all implausible that we could see the northeast break away (or attempt to and fail, which might be worse).
Belarus. If Lukachenko or whatever his name is dies and Russia doesn't have much influence, Belarus might not do terrific.
Ukraine. If it gets only partially dismembered between the EU and Russia, Ukraine is not gonna do so hot.

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[Senkaku]

Naah, SSU is way too far away from Congo in order for it to properly control them. Plus you have Nigeria, whom at this time is a growing superpower as opposed to the Congo Empire as a local superpower. I like the idea of the EAF being a Democratic Empire of Congo (new name? In the works) client country. This would mean though, that we would have to bump DEC to either a minor or major superpower, which is something I want to stray away from. But if we're going to do the whole EAF-DEC agreement thing, than DEC will become a major superpower with SA as a minor superpower.

Whoops, misremembered where a few of those were. Gabon, Equatorial Guinea, Cameroon, CAR and South Sudan may be candidates for client status. We could also unify a number of the Southern African states into a United States of Southern Africa or some such entity to balance out.

Well, I just applied, so now I have an excuse to stick my head in here.

I see we're talking about the political backstory.

Would anyone like me to talk, or should I just not?

Why should you hold back?

Because I talk too much when it comes to this sort of thing.

[Icrum]

What about:
Hungary
Sweden
Scotland
And everyone's favorite, America?

No sorry.

Hungary: Too small, Poland, Belgium, Netherlands or Denmark would step up and crush them economically.
Sweden: Ish. They have no military though and would be one of those superpowers that would be easily thrown down.
Scotland: UK still exists and they'll keep that iron political grip over the Scottish people probably.
America: We went through this previously. They would collapse under that crippling debt and go from a major superpower to a minor.

@Heraklea

Okay, we can just have CAR and South Sudan as an independent nation maybe?

Ohh right, totally forgot about the whole Angola and Zambia. Yeah, feel free to edit the list

Greater South Africa sounds good. We should probably solidify Africa and submit it before going back to the other continents.

1. I have to argue. They'd probably join up with Romania to make a Romanian-Hungarian Empire.
2. So it becomes a Switzerland?
3. Okay.
4. I think America should split into America and Western America. Western America contains Idaho, Washington, Oregon, Montana, Wyoming, and it annexed Alberta and British Columbia. But it definantly loses its superpower status. That should go to Westen America, who can stay out of debt and have a good military.

[Ontorisa]

So, I'd just like to put up an idea for the political backstory, since reading through what people have come up with so far I have my doubts about the geopolitical realism of all of that, even with alien immigration and whatnot. I don't think we'll see HUGE restructuring, at least officially, of borders and political entities in the next hundred years or so, but you never know. I wrote out my ideas below.

I think overall borders are going to blur a little bit in the next century or so when this RP is set as the world becomes more interconnected and countries have to lean more on each other for support, but I don't think we'll have too many huge redrawing of borders.


My ideas on the great powers:

-India.
They've got a base to become a superpower even today, everyone just forgets about it. India has the "nuclear trinity" (air, missile, and subs), they have advanced force-projection assets (teh carrierz), they have a large population and an economy primed to grow hugely, they have a pretty good military... Even with a few million aliens or whatever (who might not necessarily want to immigrate to already-crowded and slightly crazy India, which also might not want THEM), India, barring an unexpected nuclear war, is going to be a major power in the next century.

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-China.
A lot of people seem to have written the Chinese off. Do they have their issues? Yes. Are they well on their way to having those issues dealt with? Also yes. And the Chinese economy, for all people are saying it's "slowing down", is still among the world's largest and is still the world's fastest-growing. The Chinese military is rapidly becoming a far more potent force as well (and it's already reasonably formidable), and Chinese leadership, while they have been aggressive lately in their foreign policy, also seem to be showing a growing maturity as they learn how to deal with their neighbors. The government is also working very hard to deal with their internal problems, and seems to be doing quite well so far. As long as World War Z doesn't break out, the PRC is definitely going to become/already is a leading world power.

---

-America.
Just because America isn't going to be *as* powerful doesn't mean it still won't be. Barring a nuclear war or the zombie apocalypse, America should do just fine, especially if American leadership learns how to swallow their pride and actually try and deal productively with other countries like China.

A possible major power, depending on how things go in the next few years, could be Russia. Putin has been expanding Russian influence in Eastern Europe and Central Asia a lot lately, and while the Russian economy is currently tanking, I think it depends on the world's ongoing response as to whether Russia will into relevance or not in the coming years. If the pressure lets up, we could conceivably see Russia hugely expanding its influence over Belarus, the Baltics, Ukraine, and Central Asia.
Another possible is Brazil, but I think they'll probably still be a second-class power. Their corruption and crime and poverty hold them back disproportionately, and they don't have a humongonormous population like India to make up for it, nor do they have a particularly powerful military. Indonesia has similar issues to Brazil, as well as the added threats of Islamic extremism and loads of ethnic groups and tribes.

Second-class powers would definitely include France, Britain, and Germany, and possibly Turkey if they get their shit together and ditch Erdogan. Brazil would probably be either a low-ranking great power or a high-ranking secondary power. If Japan remilitarizes they could also stay on as a secondary power.


COUNTRIES THAT WILL OR MIGHT BREAK:


DR Congo. It barely exists anyways. I foresee it becoming some sort of protectorate or just a wasteland of fiefdoms, each centered around gold or coltan mines. Other countries like Somalia, Mali, Iraq (unless it splits up), and Yemen probably won't get much better either (Yemen'll be in real trouble when the water supply for their capital runs out).
Russia could break. If the West keeps up pressure, Russia's economy will tank, and it'll either get involved in a silly and failed war and Putin will get outed, or he'll just get hit by a coup and Russia will disintegrate. On the other hand, Russia could end up a great power, though.
Turkey. If Erdogan keeps going the way he has, the Kurds become more powerful, and Syria continues to destabilize things, Turkey could be in trouble.
Saudi Arabia could have issues as the population grows and the monarchy continues to age and destabilize, but I doubt it, based on their recent and very smooth succession.
Pakistan. I think it's obvious.
Thailand. Thailand has a huge divide between the poorer, populous, farming northeast and the capital and the established elite. The country already has serious divisions, it's not at all implausible that we could see the northeast break away (or attempt to and fail, which might be worse).
Belarus. If Lukachenko or whatever his name is dies and Russia doesn't have much influence, Belarus might not do terrific.
Ukraine. If it gets only partially dismembered between the EU and Russia, Ukraine is not gonna do so hot.

---

Okay, the reason why a bunch of these countries have been written off would be them collapsing under the:

1. Economic decline of today's currencies in the future (US, China, Russia)
2. The influx/abrupt population surge in every single country due to human populations and the Viir (US, China, Russia, India)
3. Simply because their power eroded (US)

Although I do like the new source of ideas of Saudi Arabia, Thailand, Pakistan, Belarus and Ukraine collapsing indefinitely, we're going with DR Congo resorting to illegal methods (blood diamonds, the use of the military to forcefully take over the diamond camps) in order to set themselves back on track (but this is like in 2040, so a long time from now). Turkey would have incredible instability, but not enough to send it packing and collapsing on itself. We're theorizing that it will self-stabilize in 2070, enough time for it to fill a power vacuum in Europe.

Pay attention to the underlined stuff. Don't let my negative criticism/unconfirmed countries/timeline get to you. Keep going man, you're on a roll

No sorry.

Hungary: Too small, Poland, Belgium, Netherlands or Denmark would step up and crush them economically.
Sweden: Ish. They have no military though and would be one of those superpowers that would be easily thrown down.
Scotland: UK still exists and they'll keep that iron political grip over the Scottish people probably.
America: We went through this previously. They would collapse under that crippling debt and go from a major superpower to a minor.

@Heraklea

Okay, we can just have CAR and South Sudan as an independent nation maybe?

Ohh right, totally forgot about the whole Angola and Zambia. Yeah, feel free to edit the list

Greater South Africa sounds good. We should probably solidify Africa and submit it before going back to the other continents.

1. I have to argue. They'd probably join up with Romania to make a Romanian-Hungarian Empire.
2. So it becomes a Switzerland?
3. Okay.
4. I think America should split into America and Western America. Western America contains Idaho, Washington, Oregon, Montana, Wyoming, and it annexed Alberta and British Columbia. But it definantly loses its superpower status. That should go to Westen America, who can stay out of debt and have a good military.

1. Unlikely. Roumania would just flat out annex Hungary and get it over with, especially with no one keeping Europe in check. Well, maybe. Maybe in like 2060 or something during bad times, but it would be more of a union than an empire.
2. Likely. Switzerland will become an economic superpower since it will be the centre of the international currency: the Talent (T#)
4. Unlikely, again. First of all, Canada would resist said annexation of Alberta and British Columbia, secondly, it's just a decline in standards of living, their economy (their debt would be partially erased due to America switching to the talent) and an increase in crime and population. There would be no point in dividing.

Again, these are good ideas, but a Romanian-Hungary Empire would be highly unlikely (hypocritical, I know since I'm implying a DRC-run empire) since they would need to conquer something else (like another country).

[Heraklea-]

@Ontorias: Again, I really don't want it to be Greater South Africa, I would prefer for it to be an actual union. That's why I prefer Southern Africa. It could still be colloquially referred to as South Africa.

@Senkaku: I'd agree with India as super power, assuming they and the Pakistanis can continue to avoid nuking each other. The problem with China is that if the US economy tanks, China's does as well. Russia has seen its twilight. The adventure in Ukraine and international response has completely undermined Russia's ability to be a major force. Brazil, on the other hand, is rising and with backing from Argentina and Chile would be a first rate power.

[Icrum]

So, I'd just like to put up an idea for the political backstory, since reading through what people have come up with so far I have my doubts about the geopolitical realism of all of that, even with alien immigration and whatnot. I don't think we'll see HUGE restructuring, at least officially, of borders and political entities in the next hundred years or so, but you never know. I wrote out my ideas below.

I think overall borders are going to blur a little bit in the next century or so when this RP is set as the world becomes more interconnected and countries have to lean more on each other for support, but I don't think we'll have too many huge redrawing of borders.


My ideas on the great powers:

-India.
They've got a base to become a superpower even today, everyone just forgets about it. India has the "nuclear trinity" (air, missile, and subs), they have advanced force-projection assets (teh carrierz), they have a large population and an economy primed to grow hugely, they have a pretty good military... Even with a few million aliens or whatever (who might not necessarily want to immigrate to already-crowded and slightly crazy India, which also might not want THEM), India, barring an unexpected nuclear war, is going to be a major power in the next century.

---

-China.
A lot of people seem to have written the Chinese off. Do they have their issues? Yes. Are they well on their way to having those issues dealt with? Also yes. And the Chinese economy, for all people are saying it's "slowing down", is still among the world's largest and is still the world's fastest-growing. The Chinese military is rapidly becoming a far more potent force as well (and it's already reasonably formidable), and Chinese leadership, while they have been aggressive lately in their foreign policy, also seem to be showing a growing maturity as they learn how to deal with their neighbors. The government is also working very hard to deal with their internal problems, and seems to be doing quite well so far. As long as World War Z doesn't break out, the PRC is definitely going to become/already is a leading world power.

---

-America.
Just because America isn't going to be *as* powerful doesn't mean it still won't be. Barring a nuclear war or the zombie apocalypse, America should do just fine, especially if American leadership learns how to swallow their pride and actually try and deal productively with other countries like China.

A possible major power, depending on how things go in the next few years, could be Russia. Putin has been expanding Russian influence in Eastern Europe and Central Asia a lot lately, and while the Russian economy is currently tanking, I think it depends on the world's ongoing response as to whether Russia will into relevance or not in the coming years. If the pressure lets up, we could conceivably see Russia hugely expanding its influence over Belarus, the Baltics, Ukraine, and Central Asia.
Another possible is Brazil, but I think they'll probably still be a second-class power. Their corruption and crime and poverty hold them back disproportionately, and they don't have a humongonormous population like India to make up for it, nor do they have a particularly powerful military. Indonesia has similar issues to Brazil, as well as the added threats of Islamic extremism and loads of ethnic groups and tribes.

Second-class powers would definitely include France, Britain, and Germany, and possibly Turkey if they get their shit together and ditch Erdogan. Brazil would probably be either a low-ranking great power or a high-ranking secondary power. If Japan remilitarizes they could also stay on as a secondary power.


COUNTRIES THAT WILL OR MIGHT BREAK:


DR Congo. It barely exists anyways. I foresee it becoming some sort of protectorate or just a wasteland of fiefdoms, each centered around gold or coltan mines. Other countries like Somalia, Mali, Iraq (unless it splits up), and Yemen probably won't get much better either (Yemen'll be in real trouble when the water supply for their capital runs out).
Russia could break. If the West keeps up pressure, Russia's economy will tank, and it'll either get involved in a silly and failed war and Putin will get outed, or he'll just get hit by a coup and Russia will disintegrate. On the other hand, Russia could end up a great power, though.
Turkey. If Erdogan keeps going the way he has, the Kurds become more powerful, and Syria continues to destabilize things, Turkey could be in trouble.
Saudi Arabia could have issues as the population grows and the monarchy continues to age and destabilize, but I doubt it, based on their recent and very smooth succession.
Pakistan. I think it's obvious.
Thailand. Thailand has a huge divide between the poorer, populous, farming northeast and the capital and the established elite. The country already has serious divisions, it's not at all implausible that we could see the northeast break away (or attempt to and fail, which might be worse).
Belarus. If Lukachenko or whatever his name is dies and Russia doesn't have much influence, Belarus might not do terrific.
Ukraine. If it gets only partially dismembered between the EU and Russia, Ukraine is not gonna do so hot.

---

Okay, the reason why a bunch of these countries have been written off would be them collapsing under the:

1. Economic decline of today's currencies in the future (US, China, Russia)
2. The influx/abrupt population surge in every single country due to human populations and the Viir (US, China, Russia, India)
3. Simply because their power eroded (US)

Although I do like the new source of ideas of Saudi Arabia, Thailand, Pakistan, Belarus and Ukraine collapsing indefinitely, we're going with DR Congo resorting to illegal methods (blood diamonds, the use of the military to forcefully take over the diamond camps) in order to set themselves back on track (but this is like in 2040, so a long time from now). Turkey would have incredible instability, but not enough to send it packing and collapsing on itself. We're theorizing that it will self-stabilize in 2070, enough time for it to fill a power vacuum in Europe.

Pay attention to the underlined stuff. Don't let my negative criticism/unconfirmed countries/timeline get to you. Keep going man, you're on a roll

1. I have to argue. They'd probably join up with Romania to make a Romanian-Hungarian Empire.
2. So it becomes a Switzerland?
3. Okay.
4. I think America should split into America and Western America. Western America contains Idaho, Washington, Oregon, Montana, Wyoming, and it annexed Alberta and British Columbia. But it definantly loses its superpower status. That should go to Westen America, who can stay out of debt and have a good military.

1. Unlikely. Roumania would just flat out annex Hungary and get it over with, especially with no one keeping Europe in check. Well, maybe. Maybe in like 2060 or something during bad times, but it would be more of a union than an empire.
2. Likely. Switzerland will become an economic superpower since it will be the centre of the international currency: the Talent (T#)
4. Unlikely, again. First of all, Canada would resist said annexation of Alberta and British Columbia, secondly, it's just a decline in standards of living, their economy (their debt would be partially erased due to America switching to the talent) and an increase in crime and population. There would be no point in dividing.

Again, these are good ideas, but a Romanian-Hungary Empire would be highly unlikely (hypocritical, I know since I'm implying a DRC-run empire) since they would need to conquer something else (like another country).

1. I hear Slovakia has good land......
2. That's the currency. Huh.
4. Who knows. Maybe we can beg. And Western America would be for the Conservatives. The Liberals would be in America.

[Ontorisa]

@Ontorias: Again, I really don't want it to be Greater South Africa, I would prefer for it to be an actual union. That's why I prefer Southern Africa. It could still be colloquially referred to as South Africa.

Gotcha. So we're all for the Southern African Union (SAU)?

I'll get the list back up in a sec with the updated nations on it.

Hera, mind TGing all the nations we've brainstormed and that we've consented to? I'll send it to Van and see whether or not he's okay with it.

@Icrum

1. Ehhhhh, but then you're out of place, got hostilities from Serbia, Croatia & Italy + over-extension and you're completely surrounded. Not worth the risk.
2. Yeah What? You expected we would stick to different currencies for so long?
4. Maybe. Unless if a brutal civil war took place (which would be unlikely since it would be more about race than politics due to the Viirites) then the Western and Eastern Americas would exist.

[Charmera]

I've been wondering if I should put up more details about the Viir...
Van, do you want me to/mind if I do?

[Isle of Lithonia]

Well, Ruki's going to be completely caught off guard by how Lizzy dealt with what he told her...

[Vancon]

I've been wondering if I should put up more details about the Viir...
Van, do you want me to/mind if I do?

Feel free. I'd like it if they are (slight) incorporated into society, and are very common in Asia and Africa, but very rare in NA.

[Ontorisa]

Let me know if I missed anything.

"Major" Superpowers - Significant Key Players in International Politics (In order of power. Examples being China, Russia, US, etc.)

The Democratic Empire of Congo

• Empire of Congo
  
  • DRC
  • Congo
  • Rwanda
  • Burundi
  
  Client States:
  
• The Administrative Republic of Gabon
  
  • Gabon
  • Equatorial Guinea
• East African Federation
  
  • Kenya
  • Tanzania
  • Uganda

• Brazil
• Central Asian Union (CAU for short - Modern day Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Kyrgyzstan)
• Mexico

"Minor" Superpowers - Lesser Key Players in International Politics (Not in order of power. Examples being UK, France, Saudi Arabia, etc.)

• Nigeria (Oil, Uranium and other valuable materials/minerals. Need I explain?)
• Kurdistan & Syria (Shortened to K&S from now on. Reason: Main player in Middle East politics, strong economy & military.)
• Pakistan (...? Debatable)
• United States of America (Serious decline from today. In advance: can it Rnclave, it's not up for discussion.)
• Poland (Stepped up as the next Germany of the EU as Germany saw a dramatic population increase that sent it flying into the ground)
• Turkey (Same as Poland, a country that filled the vacuum space left by the Western European countries)
• Egypt/North African Dominion (Saw the peaceful annexation of Libya and the short Sudanese-Egyptian war in order for Egypt to dominate the Nile River to support its growing population)
• Indonesia (Filled the power vacuum left by China)
• Argentina (Simply here because Argentina stabilized partially, grew in size and had the balls to take the Falklands and Sandwich Islands from the UK. GG boys)
• Spain (Serious decline, only here because everyone felt sorry for Spain)
• United Kingdom (Same as the US, serious decline in living style and economy)
• Sub-Saharan Union (SSU) (Consisting of Guinea, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Ghana, Burkina Faso, Cote d'Ivoire, Togo and Benin in order to protect each other from the growing powers of Mali, Niger and Nigeria)
• The Union of Western Sahara, Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia (UWSMAT) (Consisting of, obviously, Western Sahara, Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia. This was primarily mainly driven by political and economic reasons due to the near collapse of the European Union in 2081. UWSMAT has their own currency (the North African Mark [M$ 1.00 = T# {Talent, the modern currency of the Western World} 0.28]). Probably the sixth most powerful inter-nation union/alliance in the world right now.)

Southern African Union - Union under a democratic leadership against the DEC + Client States

• The New South African Republic
  
  • South Africa
  • Lesotho
  • Swaziland
• Namibia
• Botswana
• Zimbabwe
• Mozambique
• Malawi
• Madagascar

[Of The Rnclave]

Let me know if I missed anything.

"Major" Superpowers - Significant Key Players in International Politics (In order of power. Examples being China, Russia, US, etc.)

The Democratic Empire of Congo

• Empire of Congo
  
  • DRC
  • Congo
  • Rwanda
  • Burundi
  
  Client States:
  
• The Administrative Republic of Gabon
  
  • Gabon
  • Equatorial Guinea
• East African Federation
  
  • Kenya
  • Tanzania
  • Uganda

• Brazil
• Central Asian Union (CAU for short - Modern day Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Kyrgyzstan)
• Mexico

"Minor" Superpowers - Lesser Key Players in International Politics (Not in order of power. Examples being UK, France, Saudi Arabia, etc.)

• Nigeria (Oil, Uranium and other valuable materials/minerals. Need I explain?)
• Kurdistan & Syria (Shortened to K&S from now on. Reason: Main player in Middle East politics, strong economy & military.)
• Pakistan (...? Debatable)
• United States of America (Serious decline from today. In advance: can it Rnclave, it's not up for discussion.)
• Poland (Stepped up as the next Germany of the EU as Germany saw a dramatic population increase that sent it flying into the ground)
• Turkey (Same as Poland, a country that filled the vacuum space left by the Western European countries)
• Egypt/North African Dominion (Saw the peaceful annexation of Libya and the short Sudanese-Egyptian war in order for Egypt to dominate the Nile River to support its growing population)
• Indonesia (Filled the power vacuum left by China)
• Argentina (Simply here because Argentina stabilized partially, grew in size and had the balls to take the Falklands and Sandwich Islands from the UK. GG boys)
• Spain (Serious decline, only here because everyone felt sorry for Spain)
• United Kingdom (Same as the US, serious decline in living style and economy)
• Sub-Saharan Union (SSU) (Consisting of Guinea, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Ghana, Burkina Faso, Cote d'Ivoire, Togo and Benin in order to protect each other from the growing powers of Mali, Niger and Nigeria)
• The Union of Western Sahara, Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia (UWSMAT) (Consisting of, obviously, Western Sahara, Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia. This was primarily mainly driven by political and economic reasons due to the near collapse of the European Union in 2081. UWSMAT has their own currency (the North African Mark [M$ 1.00 = T# {Talent, the modern currency of the Western World} 0.28]). Probably the sixth most powerful inter-nation union/alliance in the world right now.)

Southern African Union - Union under a democratic leadership against the DEC + Client States

• The New South African Republic
  
  • South Africa
  • Lesotho
  • Swaziland
• Namibia
• Botswana
• Zimbabwe
• Mozambique
• Malawi
• Madagascar

African superpowers? Your point of divergence would have to be before 2000 and why is it not up for discussion? Because I could prove you wrong? And these African unions. Are possible but a NAU isn't?

[Charmera]

I've been wondering if I should put up more details about the Viir...
Van, do you want me to/mind if I do?

Feel free. I'd like it if they are (slight) incorporated into society, and are very common in Asia and Africa, but very rare in NA.

That would make sense. I'd imagine the Viir would be scattered across the globe rather liberally. Perhaps there could be about 40-100 million of them?
Also, I noticed a Viir-Human hybrid... It's going to be interesting how they react to him...

[Icrum]

@Ontorias: Again, I really don't want it to be Greater South Africa, I would prefer for it to be an actual union. That's why I prefer Southern Africa. It could still be colloquially referred to as South Africa.

Gotcha. So we're all for the Southern African Union (SAU)?

I'll get the list back up in a sec with the updated nations on it.

Hera, mind TGing all the nations we've brainstormed and that we've consented to? I'll send it to Van and see whether or not he's okay with it.

@Icrum

1. Ehhhhh, but then you're out of place, got hostilities from Serbia, Croatia & Italy + over-extension and you're completely surrounded. Not worth the risk.
2. Yeah What? You expected we would stick to different currencies for so long?
4. Maybe. Unless if a brutal civil war took place (which would be unlikely since it would be more about race than politics due to the Viirites) then the Western and Eastern Americas would exist.

1. Huh. Maybe a peaceful Annexation.
2. No. Just found it interesting.
3. What I was imagining was that with the decline of the standard of living in A,Erica, all the conservatives would outright leave America and make Western America, and since America was in great debt, they could declare war. Ergo, no war. Then something about Canada. And Utah broke off and made Mormontopia for all the Mormons of the world.

[Senkaku]

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Okay, the reason why a bunch of these countries have been written off would be them collapsing under the:

1. Economic decline of today's currencies in the future (US, China, Russia)
2. The influx/abrupt population surge in every single country due to human populations and the Viir (US, China, Russia, India)
3. Simply because their power eroded (US)

Although I do like the new source of ideas of Saudi Arabia, Thailand, Pakistan, Belarus and Ukraine collapsing indefinitely, we're going with DR Congo resorting to illegal methods (blood diamonds, the use of the military to forcefully take over the diamond camps) in order to set themselves back on track (but this is like in 2040, so a long time from now). Turkey would have incredible instability, but not enough to send it packing and collapsing on itself. We're theorizing that it will self-stabilize in 2070, enough time for it to fill a power vacuum in Europe.

A- With the ruble, maybe. Possibly even with the rupee. The dollar and the renminbi? I very much about it; the only reason the renminbi has a lower value today is because the Chinese like it that way. Kinda seems like this is just bullshit so we can be like "oh yes, tiny countries are now world powers" (I'll clarify, I mean that in a nice way, not a "fuck y'all" way )
B- Really? How many billions of Viir showed up to reduce China and India to complete irrelevance? It'd have to be quite a few, probably enough to cause the total collapse of agriculture and human society.
C- See A. This, again, seems a little bit like bullshit to give us room to play with other countries. Which I don't object to, but let's not pretend it's realistic, then. Barring an invasion that seriously damages her infrastructure, military, and population (see: Great Patriotic War/Operation Barbarossa), a massive nuclear attack, or a civil war, the United States will remain large, developed, populous, and will retain a very strong military that is, at least today, miles ahead of everyone else.

[Senkaku]

Feel free. I'd like it if they are (slight) incorporated into society, and are very common in Asia and Africa, but very rare in NA.

That would make sense. I'd imagine the Viir would be scattered across the globe rather liberally. Perhaps there could be about 40-100 million of them?
Also, I noticed a Viir-Human hybrid... It's going to be interesting how they react to him...

The Viir are close enough genetically to humans for that to work?


Hell, the Viir have the same protein chirality as us? Color me surprised.

[Senkaku]

It seems like people are currently writing off major countries that you really can't just ignore because of "currency decline" (whatever that means) or "power erosion" (if such a thing exists). If we want to just fuck around and create an interesting, if implausible, global scene where China and America are reduced to irrelevance, that's cool and I'm happy to join in, but let's not pretend it's realistic.

[Icrum]

Well, Ruki's going to be completely caught off guard by how Lizzy dealt with what he told her...

He expected her to complain. She's a hard worker.

[Charmera]

That would make sense. I'd imagine the Viir would be scattered across the globe rather liberally. Perhaps there could be about 40-100 million of them?
Also, I noticed a Viir-Human hybrid... It's going to be interesting how they react to him...

The Viir are close enough genetically to humans for that to work?


Hell, the Viir have the same protein chirality as us? Color me surprised.

*Shrugs* All I know is someone somehow made a hybrid...

[Heraklea-]

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I don't think Congo would be more than a regional power, though we may find ourselves in a time when only regional powers are in dominance. Still, those look like what we discussed. We may want to shelve deciding who is a superpower until we have figured out everyone who is any kind of power.

African superpowers? Your point of divergence would have to be before 2000 and why is it not up for discussion? Because I could prove you wrong? And these African unions. Are possible but a NAU isn't?

Easy pal. It's not that it isn't up for discussion, we are just running on the assumption of a collapsed American economy (which may require me to change up my back story some since Duncan should be from a first rate military. This is pretty much just spitballing at this point.

[Heraklea-]

@Icrum: Would Lizzy have asked Duncan to get some hard to find item for her? Nothing illegal, just difficult to find or potentially embarrassing to have in your possession.