Pax Per Bellum: An 18th century Alt-History RP [OOC, OPEN]

[Jeremy Beaver]

I dont think my Tarsal Kingdom idea will get accepted. After all i am just a tiny 2 Province state on the map squished between Poland and the Byzantines and he probably wants more "Big countries"

In other words if i am accepted i am probably going to get invaded 2 pages in.



Yay for being annoying little tiny countries ^_^

Erm, yeah, that's kind of right. 500k is also probably a bit much for just two provinces.

Ill edit it.

maybe 200k or 100k? if thats the case i might as well go to Africa.

[Alsheb]

Though, whoever plays China, would it be alright if I included several profitable trade routes with both you and Korea? To perhaps explain some of the modernization in Japan at the time. Though, it'll still be going through a slight identity crisis between the more traditional affluent families and the ready-to-modernize government.

I can't answer for the Chinese player, but you're always welcome to my Korean ports if you want to trade.

[Baja California y Sonora]

Another Hindu State in Asia wouldn't hurt tbh.

There is no Hindu state. The two Indian kingdoms converted to orthodox

Angkor-Champa, which is yet to be on the map is Hindu.

[Jade Confederacy]

Aw, was hoping you were gona take japan

What's wrong with my taking of it?

There is China and Tatary, but other than that I cannot think of any regional threats big enough to be considered that well big and bad.

Not sure if Japan'll really shift that balance. Will be looking more towards Pacific domination and New World west coast.

Though, whoever plays China, would it be alright if I included several profitable trade routes with both you and Korea? To perhaps explain some of the modernization in Japan at the time. Though, it'll still be going through a slight identity crisis between the more traditional affluent families and the ready-to-modernize government.

There is no modernization-the industrial revolution hasn't really started yet and the setting is pre Napoleonic era. In accordance to history, i as china will try vassalize or outright invade you and there little you can do to stop it considering i outnumber both your navy and army 10/1

The reason I would have preferred Lunas to take Japan is that he's very experienced in the kind of thing and would have been able to fend me off. You are newer though so I don't know your quality of Rp. Are you on a puppet account?

[Denoxin]

May I apply for Japan? You can start the IC without me, but I'm ready to provide an app.

Sure, a Japan would be good.

Would a string of colonies(Midway, Hawai'i, A tiny part of California) be alright with you? Or shall I stay confined to Japan for now?

What's wrong with my taking of it?


Not sure if Japan'll really shift that balance. Will be looking more towards Pacific domination and New World west coast.

Though, whoever plays China, would it be alright if I included several profitable trade routes with both you and Korea? To perhaps explain some of the modernization in Japan at the time. Though, it'll still be going through a slight identity crisis between the more traditional affluent families and the ready-to-modernize government.

There is no modernization-the industrial revolution hasn't really started yet and the setting is pre Napoleonic era. In accordance to history, i as china will try vassalize or outright invade you and there little you can do to stop it considering i outnumber both your navy and army 10/1

Well, I meant the transition from swords and shield to muskets and bayonets.
And secondly, a bit rude but regardless, how do you know you outnumber either? Or that yours are superior to mine?

[Alsheb]

What's wrong with my taking of it?


Not sure if Japan'll really shift that balance. Will be looking more towards Pacific domination and New World west coast.

Though, whoever plays China, would it be alright if I included several profitable trade routes with both you and Korea? To perhaps explain some of the modernization in Japan at the time. Though, it'll still be going through a slight identity crisis between the more traditional affluent families and the ready-to-modernize government.

There is no modernization-the industrial revolution hasn't really started yet and the setting is pre Napoleonic era. In accordance to history, i as china will try vassalize or outright invade you and there little you can do to stop it considering i outnumber both your navy and army 10/1

Whoa... talking about a welcome word

[Jade Confederacy]

Sure, a Japan would be good.

Would a string of colonies(Midway, Hawai'i, A tiny part of California) be alright with you? Or shall I stay confined to Japan for now?

There is no modernization-the industrial revolution hasn't really started yet and the setting is pre Napoleonic era. In accordance to history, i as china will try vassalize or outright invade you and there little you can do to stop it considering i outnumber both your navy and army 10/1

Well, I meant the transition from swords and shield to muskets and bayonets.
And secondly, a bit rude but regardless, how do you know you outnumber either? Or that yours are superior to mine?

A united japan can field 120-200 k max troops based on the population. China has 10 times the population base and can field several times the amount of troops that would be available to you. Since china is richer, it would also be assumed that it's armies are better armed. The only reason japan survived two invasions was due to freakishly lucky storms.

I am not trying to be rude since I had planned to bring japan into the Chinese sphere since I put up my app 20 or so pages back. Guess I'm a but disappointed though since I had wanted to fight a Sunni Japan. Guess I'll make due with tartar then.

[Kherkov]

Erm, yeah, that's kind of right. 500k is also probably a bit much for just two provinces.

Ill edit it.

maybe 200k or 100k? if thats the case i might as well go to Africa.

I'd like some more in Africa, yes.

[Denoxin]

Would a string of colonies(Midway, Hawai'i, A tiny part of California) be alright with you? Or shall I stay confined to Japan for now?


Well, I meant the transition from swords and shield to muskets and bayonets.
And secondly, a bit rude but regardless, how do you know you outnumber either? Or that yours are superior to mine?

A united japan can field 80-120k max troops based on the population. China has 20 times the population base and can field several times the amount of troops that would be available to you. Since china is richer, it would also be assumed that it's armies are better armed. The only reason japan survived two invasions was due to freakishly lucky storms.
I am not trying to be rude since I had planned to bring japan into the Chinese sphere since I put up my app 20 or so pages back. Guess I'm a but disappointed though since I had wanted to fight a Sunni Japan. Guess I'll make due with tartar then.

Oh, I'm not denying you the opportunity to fight me. Isn't half the roleplay about war? I was just a bit taken aback by the suddenness of it

[Kherkov]

What sort of IC timescale should we go for, guys? 1 IRL day is say a month-two months or something?

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

What sort of IC timescale should we go for, guys? 1 IRL day is say a month-two months or something?

That could be interesting, I would say if you go by actual days, do it one month per day, as there is a lot of stuff that can happen across two months.

[Kherkov]

What sort of IC timescale should we go for, guys? 1 IRL day is say a month-two months or something?

That could be interesting, I would say if you go by actual days, do it one month per day, as there is a lot of stuff that can happen across two months.

I'm inclined to agree.

[Jeremy Beaver]

Would you agree with maybe 300k OP?

[Kherkov]

Would you agree with maybe 300k OP?

What, for the two provinces? Probably not. I'd rather you just went somewhere else.

[New Granadeseret]

A united japan can field 80-120k max troops based on the population. China has 20 times the population base and can field several times the amount of troops that would be available to you. Since china is richer, it would also be assumed that it's armies are better armed. The only reason japan survived two invasions was due to freakishly lucky storms.
I am not trying to be rude since I had planned to bring japan into the Chinese sphere since I put up my app 20 or so pages back. Guess I'm a but disappointed though since I had wanted to fight a Sunni Japan. Guess I'll make due with tartar then.

Oh, I'm not denying you the opportunity to fight me. Isn't half the roleplay about war? I was just a bit taken aback by the suddenness of it

Yah, China's a bit of a powerhouse, they out populate... Holy (insert name of deity you chose to believe in here) . Like, the next 12 most populace nations combined.

[Lunas Legion]

Would you agree with maybe 300k OP?

What, for the two provinces? Probably not. I'd rather you just went somewhere else.

Can you just clear up all those empty provinces in Eastern/Central Europe then? They're too small to make a nation (excluding Bohemia) and don't really serve a purpose.

[Kherkov]

MAP UPDATED

Any issues tell me ASAP.

Also for those pissed off with the border gore between me and P-L, we can conquer the regions ICly. For now, they'll be mini one-province minors.

[Jeremy Beaver]

Would you agree with maybe 300k OP?

What, for the two provinces? Probably not. I'd rather you just went somewhere else.

Okay i guess this isnt for me. kinda just wanted to be a small state D:

[Lunas Legion]

Oh, I'm not denying you the opportunity to fight me. Isn't half the roleplay about war? I was just a bit taken aback by the suddenness of it

Yah, China's a bit of a powerhouse, they out populate... Holy (insert name of deity you chose to believe in here) . Like, the next 12 most populace nations combined.

China's main weakness historically was it's inflexibility due to it's power and it's refusal to do diplomacy with other nations without the other nations acknowledging China as superior, which led to technological backwardness and being beaten around by Europe/Japan.

[Kherkov]

What, for the two provinces? Probably not. I'd rather you just went somewhere else.

Okay i guess this isnt for me. kinda just wanted to be a small state D:

Something like the Papal Cape Colony would be better if you wanted to be small.

[Machtergreifung]

Would a string of colonies(Midway, Hawai'i, A tiny part of California) be alright with you? Or shall I stay confined to Japan for now?


Well, I meant the transition from swords and shield to muskets and bayonets.
And secondly, a bit rude but regardless, how do you know you outnumber either? Or that yours are superior to mine?

A united japan can field 120-200 k max troops based on the population. China has 10 times the population base and can field several times the amount of troops that would be available to you. Since china is richer, it would also be assumed that it's armies are better armed. The only reason japan survived two invasions was due to freakishly lucky storms.

I am not trying to be rude since I had planned to bring japan into the Chinese sphere since I put up my app 20 or so pages back. Guess I'm a but disappointed though since I had wanted to fight a Sunni Japan. Guess I'll make due with tartar then.

The China versus Japan debate is a bit more nuanced than what you make out.

Yes, China has the larger population base, but it's got a lot of issues to deal with that Japan doesn't need to worry about. Sure, China can field more troops than Japan, but it's not exactly easy to assemble the levies across as vast a nation as China into various armies and then go campaigning with those armies. On top of that, China has to detach a significant portion of her strength to defend the western and northern frontiers.

It's perfectly feasible that Japan could invade and fight off the local Chinese forces on even terms, and then dealing with the armies formed in more distant parts of the nation piecemeal.

That's a moot point regardless: there isn't really anywhere in China that could sustain a huge army for very long, except perhaps the North China Plain.

[Lunas Legion]

MAP UPDATED

Any issues tell me ASAP.

Also for those pissed off with the border gore between me and P-L, we can conquer the regions ICly. For now, they'll be mini one-province minors.

That doesn't annoy me; the line of white between Byz and A-B/Papacy does.

Also, I thought Novgorod/Karelia had been given to Tatary?

[Kherkov]

MAP UPDATED

Any issues tell me ASAP.

Also for those pissed off with the border gore between me and P-L, we can conquer the regions ICly. For now, they'll be mini one-province minors.

That doesn't annoy me; the line of white between Byz and A-B/Papacy does.

Also, I thought Novgorod/Karelia had been given to Tatary?

Again, they could just be minor NPC nations that are conquered during the IC. I have plans for that region, anyway.

Erm, I didn't think so?

[Alsheb]

What, for the two provinces? Probably not. I'd rather you just went somewhere else.

Okay i guess this isnt for me. kinda just wanted to be a small state D:

Still a lot of space open on the map for a small but influential state, comrade.

[Lunas Legion]

That doesn't annoy me; the line of white between Byz and A-B/Papacy does.

Also, I thought Novgorod/Karelia had been given to Tatary?

Again, they could just be minor NPC nations that are conquered during the IC. I have plans for that region, anyway.

Erm, I didn't think so?

Ok.

Here.