Pax Per Bellum: An 18th century Alt-History RP [OOC, OPEN]

[Argentarino]

Yeah France's tune will be changing, somewhat.

Friendly relations still exist with the Basilicans, Poles, and the Swedes, however Spain is a no for us. If Spain is in an alliance bloc or coalition, the French won't be.

As of this exact moment, the rivals of France are largely Spain and Britain.

Is there any way we can...earn, your friendship? *slides hand under table*

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Yeah France's tune will be changing, somewhat.

Friendly relations still exist with the Basilicans, Poles, and the Swedes, however Spain is a no for us. If Spain is in an alliance bloc or coalition, the French won't be.

As of this exact moment, the rivals of France are largely Spain and Britain.

Is there any way we can...earn, your friendship? *slides hand under table*

Not really, I must apologize.

Also this helps a super mega Pan-Catholic Alliance from forming, so everyone else can thank me c:

[Zgraja]

So... I was gone for a few minutes, how much did I miss? Anything involving the UME?

[Kargintina]

Is anyone gonna be friends with the Danish-Norwegians?

me pls

Okay

[Leo X]

The former Viceroyalties of Peru, Rio de la Plata, and New Granada (former Spanish colonies) are open, since I do not have claim to them.

Not sure what the exact date is at the moment in IC, would those areas of South Americas ever have been colonized by the Spanish? Since this is Alt History and I haven't had the time to read all the individual applications not sure who did what and where in South America.

Edit: Just read the alt-history of Spain. Better understanding now and might make a application for one of the former Viceroyalties.

Join the Federation and we will become the Union of the West Indian States/Colonies. We can do this and repel the invader!

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Not sure what the exact date is at the moment in IC, would those areas of South Americas ever have been colonized by the Spanish? Since this is Alt History and I haven't had the time to read all the individual applications not sure who did what and where in South America.

Edit: Just read the alt-history of Spain. Better understanding now and might make a application for one of the former Viceroyalties.

Join the Federation and we will become the Union of the West Indian States/Colonies. We can do this and repel the invader!

Ah yes I forgot you existed, how does FWI view the French?

[Leo X]

Join the Federation and we will become the Union of the West Indian States/Colonies. We can do this and repel the invader!

Ah yes I forgot you existed, how does FWI view the French?

So long as you don't try to colonise the Americas, there won't be any hard feelings. We can't really take sides on religion since we have two main ones so there would be religious strife if we chose Catholics over Protestants and vice versa.

Edit: Don't get in the way of Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade either. We need that for long-term economic survival

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Ah yes I forgot you existed, how does FWI view the French?

So long as you don't try to colonise the Americas, there won't be any hard feelings. We can't really take sides on religion since we have two main ones so there would be religious strife if we chose Catholics over Protestants and vice versa.

Edit: Don't get in the way of Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade either. We need that for long-term economic survival

Well we already have Colonies in Dixie, but only have any form of a desire for Dixie. However, our ambitions lie there and no farther south.

We have yet to outlaw slavery, so that should be of no concern to you. If anything we have to slave trading hubs over in Senegal that help you.

[Machtergreifung]

What's the status of the IC?

[Leo X]

So long as you don't try to colonise the Americas, there won't be any hard feelings. We can't really take sides on religion since we have two main ones so there would be religious strife if we chose Catholics over Protestants and vice versa.

Edit: Don't get in the way of Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade either. We need that for long-term economic survival

Well we already have Colonies in Dixie, but only have any form of a desire for Dixie. However, our ambitions lie there and no farther south.

We have yet to outlaw slavery, so that should be of no concern to you. If anything we have to slave trading hubs over in Senegal that help you.

Sweet! I suppose we'll be getting along like a big house on fire then.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Well we already have Colonies in Dixie, but only have any form of a desire for Dixie. However, our ambitions lie there and no farther south.

We have yet to outlaw slavery, so that should be of no concern to you. If anything we have to slave trading hubs over in Senegal that help you.

Sweet! I suppose we'll be getting along like a big house on fire then.

I'm afraid I don't quite get the analogy lol.

[Kherkov]

What's the status of the IC?

Probably will have to be tomorrow.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Ah yes I forgot you existed, how does FWI view the French?

So long as you don't try to colonise the Americas, there won't be any hard feelings. We can't really take sides on religion since we have two main ones so there would be religious strife if we chose Catholics over Protestants and vice versa.

Edit: Don't get in the way of Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade either. We need that for long-term economic survival

Ohoho The other Americans are Slaving Half-Heretics?

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

So long as you don't try to colonise the Americas, there won't be any hard feelings. We can't really take sides on religion since we have two main ones so there would be religious strife if we chose Catholics over Protestants and vice versa.

Edit: Don't get in the way of Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade either. We need that for long-term economic survival

Ohoho The other Americans are Slaving Half-Heretics?

wat

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Ohoho The other Americans are Slaving Half-Heretics?

wat

I am (apping) the Catholic Abolitionist Italian Quebec, Who is also Monroe doctrining the Continent

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

wat

I am (apping) the Catholic Abolitionist Italian Quebec, Who is also Monroe doctrining the Continent

With a population of what? At most let's say 200,000? Good luck doing much of anything, if a European power sneezes you'll be a thing of the past.

Now that I think of it, where's that map of the Saint Lawrence lying around somewhere in Versailles...

[Claven]

So... I was gone for a few minutes, how much did I miss? Anything involving the UME?

If you don't mind me taking Transcaucasia, then I'll look the other way when/if you take Jerusalem. You scratch my back, I scratch yours
And Mr. Pope, perhaps we could come to some sort of agreement.

[Jaslandia]

I think there may be some territorial overlap problems...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... nt.svg.png

Notice I claimed both East and West Prussia, both of which as marked as belonging to the nation of Prussia on the RP map.. I would be willing to give up East Prussia, but considering how important Gdansk/Danzig is to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, I think I may need to work out a few things with the Prussian player later.

I think that's because Viperia had already reserved the area when you applied. He was on the map from the beginning so his claim takes precedent.

Okay. I'll edit my app accordingly to account for this.

[New Granadeseret]

-snip for brevity's sake-

1. To seize the Strait of Hormuz and hold your gulf trade hostage, with further gains also allowing them a share in the Trans-Central Asian trade routes, seizure of more resources without having to tell their Hindus to fight other Hindus, ect. Striking at their Hindu neighbors might create domestic tensions, and attacking north over the Himalayas with anything resembling a modern army is logistically impossible (with any gains being next to impossible to keep). If they're attacking anybody, you're the best target on the list. I do not say they will nessicerily make war upon you, and I too wish for peace... but you keep speaking as though you wish to rattle sabers in my direction. I merely want peace between us to focus on neutralizing the Byzantines who DO show no respect to the people of the book; even persecuting their fellow Christians. Peace must reign in the end true; but the Faithful must have a strong enough sword to insure they are free to practice their faith without persecution.

2. We are not the Umyadds, enough said. They were not perfect, but they ruled justly and provided many concrete services to the faith. It was they who nearly struck down the Romans, brought the Faith to Central Asia ( for which we are of course grateful), and established a strong, administrative position. Indeed, their conquests are largely where the Faith continues to survive as a governing force. Our religious practice is much less Orthodox, and I find it odd how the highly-bureaucratic societies of Persia and China speak to the Tartars as being too 'by the book". Theologically, the population is divide on if they deserved to be removed; however, to seize the seat of the Caliph by force is hardly an expression of humble piety, and to insist only one branch of the Prophet's line can hold it is a direct contradiction to the idea of Islam being a world community. That, and Shia's insistence that members of that line have some kind of special magical powers (When such powers only belong to God) is our main theological issue with the sect; our hetrodoxic and vibrantly discussed brand of Sunnism could even reach some kind of theological reconciliation if the last idea were dropped.

And the conquest of the Abbasids was not the responsibility of the Tartars or Sunnis. Hulagu Khan was a Buddist.


3. That is a complex argument, but I can assure you it was not the Tartars. As for the Muslims of Egypt and the Levant, that would be the Byzantines and Papal forces of the Crusaders. The heretic is to be preferred; they still recognizes the words of the Prophet and denies the falsehoods the infidel would preach about him and God. They respect the same words, the same traditions, but just interpret them a little differently (something our culture is very comfortable with). You might disagree, but that is our stance.

-Also, barrier state between me and China of fanatical Christians... interesting choice.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

I am (apping) the Catholic Abolitionist Italian Quebec, Who is also Monroe doctrining the Continent

With a population of what? At most let's say 200,000? Good luck doing much of anything, if a European power sneezes you'll be a thing of the past.

Now that I think of it, where's that map of the Saint Lawrence lying around somewhere in Versailles...

200,000? That's funny I have around 18,000 people, As New France had around this time. And I am the Pope's bitch

[Jaslandia]

Ah, Glitter just reminded me to ask the following: Would you all be fine with me RP'ing the Church in every country where it has a presence? Historically, the Church was always loyal first to the pope, and second to the earthly monarch. The Church could be an important force for political intrigue, a tool to bring some unexpected events to your shores. From negative to positive, just to make it all somewhat more unpredictable.

"The Cardinal of Warsaw has found an ancient document strengthening your claim to the throne! What will you do next?"

Whatever you say, I will probably try to expand papal influence to a more physical level. New age, new problems, new solutions, let's just say.

Like Glitter said, I'll go along with it if I can RP as a few Polish cardinals and bishops. Just like in France, Church officials can play a large role in politics, and I'll probably incorporate a few into my government.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

With a population of what? At most let's say 200,000? Good luck doing much of anything, if a European power sneezes you'll be a thing of the past.

Now that I think of it, where's that map of the Saint Lawrence lying around somewhere in Versailles...

200,000? That's funny I have around 18,000 people, As New France had around this time. And I am the Pope's bitch

Oh lmfao, even better.

Will make you easier to sneeze away, regardless of being the Pope's bitch.

Considering France is the Pope's major ally, and really the only thing that will prevent Byzantium from eating his empire, he might have to turn a blind eye should you decide to agitate me enough.

[Argentarino]

Ah, Glitter just reminded me to ask the following: Would you all be fine with me RP'ing the Church in every country where it has a presence? Historically, the Church was always loyal first to the pope, and second to the earthly monarch. The Church could be an important force for political intrigue, a tool to bring some unexpected events to your shores. From negative to positive, just to make it all somewhat more unpredictable.

"The Cardinal of Warsaw has found an ancient document strengthening your claim to the throne! What will you do next?"

Whatever you say, I will probably try to expand papal influence to a more physical level. New age, new problems, new solutions, let's just say.

Like Glitter said, I'll go along with it if I can RP as a few Polish cardinals and bishops. Just like in France, Church officials can play a large role in politics, and I'll probably incorporate a few into my government.

The same with me.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

There is like one Bishop in New Italy, Do what you must with him.

[Zgraja]

So... I was gone for a few minutes, how much did I miss? Anything involving the UME?

If you don't mind me taking Transcaucasia, then I'll look the other way when/if you take Jerusalem. You scratch my back, I scratch yours
And Mr. Pope, perhaps we could come to some sort of agreement.

Interesting...