Pax Per Bellum: An 18th century Alt-History RP [OOC, OPEN]

[Britcan]

Death to the non Orthodox!

On that note, I just realized his name makes no sense. The term "Middle East" wasn't even used in this point in history to describe the region. It never came into any real use until the 20th century; well beyond the scope of our RP.

Well that's only the English translation. The Byzantine Empire was generally referred to as: Imperium Romanum (Latin) or Basileia tōn Rhōmaiōn (Greek), meaning Roman Empire, by it's inhabitants. We're just using the common English terms for our nations for the sake of simplicity.

[Altito Asmoro]

On that note, I just realized his name makes no sense. The term "Middle East" wasn't even used in this point in history to describe the region. It never came into any real use until the 20th century; well beyond the scope of our RP.

Well that's only the English translation. The Byzantine Empire was generally referred to as: Imperium Romanum (Latin) or Basileia tōn Rhōmaiōn (Greek), meaning Roman Empire, by it's inhabitants. We're just using the common English terms for our nations for the sake of simplicity.

But calling Byzantine as Eastern Roman is relevant as well and that is another common English terms.

[Alsheb]

Anyone wants to be friends with Taiping?
*grumbling* preferably without asking for tribute in return...

[Britcan]

Well that's only the English translation. The Byzantine Empire was generally referred to as: Imperium Romanum (Latin) or Basileia tōn Rhōmaiōn (Greek), meaning Roman Empire, by it's inhabitants. We're just using the common English terms for our nations for the sake of simplicity.

But calling Byzantine as Eastern Roman is relevant as well and that is another common English terms.

My point is that we're not calling Khekov Imperium Romanum or the Roman Empire, we're calling him the Byzantine Empire, because that's the common English term for what he is.

Similarly, we're not calling Zgraja المملكة المتحدة لبلاد الشام or the United Kingdom of the Levant (assuming that would be the native name), we're calling him the United Middle Eastern Kingdom as that would be the common English term for it.

[Altito Asmoro]

Anyone wants to be friends with Taiping?
*grumbling* preferably without asking for tribute in return...

I can. Of course, in return I just want your help to aid Sultanate of Mataram in its quest for modernization of the military.

[Claven]

Anyone wants to be friends with Taiping?
*grumbling* preferably without asking for tribute in return...

We can be friends. although I am far away and I mostly just want to trade with you. Maybe I could convince China not to invade you? Maybe...

[Claven]

Anyone wants to be friends with Taiping?
*grumbling* preferably without asking for tribute in return...

I can. Of course, in return I just want your help to aid Sultanate of Mataram in its quest for modernization of the military.

Don't listen to the heretic!

[New Granadeseret]

Anyone wants to be friends with Taiping?
*grumbling* preferably without asking for tribute in return...

You're a sect of radial Christians who believe they're ruled by a man who's part-divine. Islam is generally not going to look on you very positively. You might find some friends in Japan.

Also, I'm going to be later in getting my IC post up. I have a funeral service I need to attend, so won't have an open schedule until this afternoon.

[Altito Asmoro]

I can. Of course, in return I just want your help to aid Sultanate of Mataram in its quest for modernization of the military.

Don't listen to the heretic!

More into trade and less into real diplomatic with Taiping.

Anyone wants to be friends with Taiping?
*grumbling* preferably without asking for tribute in return...

You're a sect of radial Christians who believe they're ruled by a man who's part-divine. Islam is generally not going to look on you very positively. You might find some friends in Japan.

Also, I'm going to be later in getting my IC post up. I have a funeral service I need to attend, so won't have an open schedule until this afternoon.

Looking for allies is hard these days if you hold on your own ideology.

[Baja California y Sonora]

You're a sect of radial Christians who believe they're ruled by a man who's part-divine. Islam is generally not going to look on you very positively. You might find some friends in Japan.

Also, I'm going to be later in getting my IC post up. I have a funeral service I need to attend, so won't have an open schedule until this afternoon.

Looking for allies is hard these days if you hold on your own ideology.

Indeed. How would you like to establish better diplomatic ties?

[Britcan]

I'm putting all this in one place so it's easier for Khekov to get through later. Let me know if I've missed something.

Applications that have been accepted but not added to the map yet;
Mataram
La Colonie Fançaise du Sud
Japan
Songhai

Applications yet to be completed;
Nuovo Italia
The Commonwealth
Lotharingia
The Inca

[Jade Confederacy]

I don't like how this Rp is going in the way that everyone is expanding. We should fill in all the blanks on the map with NPC states. For example, for china, I'm thinking of making some hostile mongol khanates in the north, a Tibet as a vassal state and some tributary kingdoms in the south. I'm making them under my protection so no one will expand that way without repercussions.

I will also write the bear minimum of history and facts. If anyone wants to come in and take one of those NPCs, they can fill in the blanks in the history. What do you guys think?

[Claven]

I don't like how this Rp is going in the way that everyone is expanding. We should fill in all the blanks on the map with NPC states. For example, for china, I'm thinking of making some hostile mongol khanates in the north, a Tibet as a vassal state and some tributary kingdoms in the south. I'm making them under my protection so no one will expand that way without repercussions.

I will also write the bear minimum of history and facts. If anyone wants to come in and take one of those NPCs, they can fill in the blanks in the history. What do you guys think?

Sure, I guess the same could be done for Afghanistan except they would be a completely independent state. i just didnt want anyone else to claim that territory

[Jade Confederacy]

Sure, I guess the same could be done for Afghanistan except they would be a completely independent state. i just didnt want anyone else to claim that territory

Yes, NPCs must have at least one or two reasons to retains its independence. For example the mongol khanates in northern china could be allied to tartaria so if either me or taiping want to attack them, we will risk drawing in the suzerain state into the conflict. The same could be said of any independent HRE duchies protected by the emperor. Topography such as mountains and jungles could also be the case for tribes in the Americas or as you said, Afghanistan

[Baja California y Sonora]

I don't like how this Rp is going in the way that everyone is expanding. We should fill in all the blanks on the map with NPC states. For example, for china, I'm thinking of making some hostile mongol khanates in the north, a Tibet as a vassal state and some tributary kingdoms in the south. I'm making them under my protection so no one will expand that way without repercussions.

I will also write the bear minimum of history and facts. If anyone wants to come in and take one of those NPCs, they can fill in the blanks in the history. What do you guys think?

I like this idea quite. I proposed it a while ago, but I guess it didn't get by :/

[Landenburg]

Really was going to do Bengal but Bohemia is just so damn alluring..(that and I don't know jack about Bengal or the people there.)

I also couldn't really find an interesting history so, if you need something more than that just tell me.

Full Nation Name: The Kingdom of Bohemia, or The Kingdom of Bohemia-Moravia, or The Czech Kingdom
Short Nation Name: Bohemia
National Flag: Top half white, bottom red, Bohemian lion in the middle (or the coat of arms, for visualization) (could not one that suited me, thus the description)
Territory: Any Czechoslovakian territory that is open.
Official Language(s): Czech, Latin, German
Form of Government: Absolute Monarchy
Head of State: Jaromir Přemyslid
Head of Government: Jaromir Přemyslid
Capital City: Prague
Population: 3,250,000
Religion: Early on, the Czech people had been swayed by Byzantine priests, converting much of the populace to Orthodoxy. The Church is very well respected here, holding great sway in the Kingdom. Despite this, the Czech Church does not always follow the Byzantine, such as the Czech did not begin their own Inquisition. Freedom of religion, as long as it is Christian, has always been respected.
Army: 88,750 soldiers and officers. The quality is decent, the troops are trained in the art of European warfare, well funded, and has not lacked in patriotic volunteers. The soldiers are payed decently and morale is great. However, it is hardly one of the top armies of Europe as the Bohemian Kingdom prides itself on trade, rather than war. It is organized and structured as a European army would generally be sorted.
Navy: The Navy itself is small, only running down the rivers that the Bohemians possess.
Economic Strength: The Kingdom is wealthy, prospering from advances in infrastructure and technology. The people often are well fed, the rich can sleep in their silk sheets, and the army gets the funding it ever so demands.
Infrastructure: The Czech people realized early on that technology is what makes the world go round. Thus, they worked hard on their infrastructure, making it one of the top leaders (if not THE leader) for infrastructure in Europe.
Primary Goals: Secure alliances and prosperity for their people, possibly expand if possible.
History: Upon the fall of Rome, tribals rose to contest the power of the warlords that had been controlling the area of Bohemia. While they were busy sacking Rome, the ancient Bohemians were gaining their independence. For years they fought, finally achieving their goal after some time. The greatest of the tribal villages would be a village named by the slavic immigrants, Prague. In this village, great war plans were made and acted upon. Slowly territory was swallowed up. Once a decent sized amount of land had been taken, the warlord claimed himself as King. At first, their territory was small. The people were divided. For years the Kings of Prague fought to unite their people's. By the time the Crusades had hit, the Kingdom of Bohemia-Moravia had been created.

In the Dark Ages, Byzantine monks managed to build monasteries in the Bohemian lands. The people were easily swayed by what they preached, converting much of them to Orthodoxy. Some did not convert, however the Orthodox faith had been planted. The King and his family had been converted, setting the religion in stone. It quickly became the state religion.

At around the time the Crusades hit, the Bohemians were united and ready to fight. Their Knights fought long and hard in the wars, fighting for glory and god. The Knights fought in large and small battles, bringing back treasures and glory for the Bohemians. Some of these are still on display in the King's personal museum, one that is often shown off to foreigners of note. Once the grizzled veterans came back from the Arab lands, they were utilized in taking a portion of Slovakia, furthering the Bohemian prestige. The Czech people also managed to never join the Holy Roman Empire, avoiding the politics that were involved there.

Once done with the Crusades and the Bohemian-Slovak wars, the people began to solidify their rule. The Church was given great donations and the army had been cut down to be smaller. The Kings began to promote trade and arts, adopting the latest technology that they could. Hundreds of years later the Kingdom of Bohemia-Moravia had changed greatly, building roads and producing weaponry for the nearby neighbors to buy.
RP Example: I think you should know me but if you truly need an example, just ask!

[Zgraja]

I've had just about enough of you people saying Armenia is open.

And UME, can we still maintain peace?

I believe they're referring to the medieval Kingdom of Armenia region (those ultra-nationalistic Armenian claims for a more contemporary example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of ... (antiquity) ), not the modern day country.

Also, for the region, if no PC fills it, I think a collection of hill-land tribes (Somewhat similar to the North Caucuses of the period in our timeline), made up of a mix of Armenian, Turkmen, and Muslim Kurdish groups. It would help explain why an area in the center of civilizations didn't organize as effectively as their neighbors.

Death to the non Orthodox!

On that note, I just realized his name makes no sense. The term "Middle East" wasn't even used in this point in history to describe the region. It never came into any real use until the 20th century; well beyond the scope of our RP.

At this point you are just overly nitpicking. This is ALT history. Just because a name wasn't used IRL until a certain time doesn't mean it couldn't have come about at an earlier time.

And Claven. I am still willing to maintain peaceful relational that hasnt changed.

[Machtergreifung]

I don't like how this Rp is going in the way that everyone is expanding. We should fill in all the blanks on the map with NPC states. For example, for china, I'm thinking of making some hostile mongol khanates in the north, a Tibet as a vassal state and some tributary kingdoms in the south. I'm making them under my protection so no one will expand that way without repercussions.

Seconded. I, for one, will throw some significant support the way of the Swahili tribes, just so Ethiopia won't steamroll them.

[Britcan]

I don't like how this Rp is going in the way that everyone is expanding. We should fill in all the blanks on the map with NPC states. For example, for china, I'm thinking of making some hostile mongol khanates in the north, a Tibet as a vassal state and some tributary kingdoms in the south. I'm making them under my protection so no one will expand that way without repercussions.

Seconded. I, for one, will throw some significant support the way of the Swahili tribes, just so Ethiopia won't steamroll them.

Good. The reason I'm coming south is to have some interaction with you.

[Lunas Legion]

Finished, I hope.

Full Nation Name: Kingdom of Lotharingia
Short Nation Name: Lotharingia
National Flag:

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Territory: Here.
Official Language(s): German
Form of Government: Absolute Monarchy
Head of State: Queen Louise-Charlotte Salian, Empress of the Holy Roman Empire
Head of Government: N/A
Capital City: Mannheim
Population: 12.3 million
Religion: The Church is mostly allowed to do as it wishes; the Kingdom's populace is split relatively evenly between a Protestant north and a Catholic south, but as long as the various members of the landed clergy pay their taxes, the government allows both Churches to act as they wish, so long as no secular or religious laws are violated.
Army: 180,000 strong, divided into 18 10,000 man korps. Each korps fields 8,000 line infantry equipped in the standard European style of line infantry with small groups of pikemen in the ratio of one pikeman to every nine gunners, resulting in 800 pikes and 7200 gunners per korps, with 1800 cavalry split into 800 cuirassiers and 1000 hussar-style cavalry and the remaining 200 being artillery crewmen with 40 guns per korps. This setup, combined with the discipline and esprit de corps focused on in training has turned the Lotharingian Army into a versatile force able to hold it's on against any one of it's neighbours on the defensive.
Navy: None, as Lotharingia is landlocked, although some gunboats are used to patrol the Rhine and and other major rivers.
Economic Strength: Lotharingia has a decent economy; although it lacks raw materials, it has a large agricultural base from which it can export to it's neighbours, but it's landlocked nature means that it is highly reliant on the Rhine for overseas trade.
Infrastructure: High. Although the Rhine and surrounding rivers serve as the main trade and transport routes, a well-maintained road networks connects the Kingdom's Italian possessions to the rest of the Kingdom across the Alps and between major cities and towns.
Primary Goals: Retain independence, Attempt to centralise the HRE
History: The history of Lotharingia starts with it's namesake, Lothair Salian. Lothair was the son of Louis the Pious, himself a child of the murdered Charlemagne, who after the former died and the Empire Charlemagne had carved out broke apart into West Francia, which would later become the Kingdom of France, a independent Kingdom of Bavaria that would go onto become Austria-Bohemia, a loose scattering of independent counties in the Low Countries, the Kingdom of East Francia and finally the realm of Lothair I, Lotharingia, which occupied lands between Bavaria, the Papacy and West Francia as there was no ancient de jure name for the region, and he took the name 'Salian' to make his lineage clear from that of his brothers.

Lotharingia after Lothair's death was a quiet place for a time, before dynastic strife broke out between the rulers of the two Francias and Lotharingia. Lothair I's son, Lothair II, was able to conquer parts of the Kingdom of East Francia, but it limped on in the north of Germany, eventually to dissolve into smaller states. His campaign against France, however, failed miserably.

After Lothair II, the Kingdom was quiet for a few centuries, as the Karling lines in East and West Francia died out and the Kingdom of France formed. That changed in 1204 with Karl III, first Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire. Karl III, putting aside the dynasty's dislike of the Pope, joined the Fourth Crusade along with France and succeeded in reclaiming the Holy Land from the Infidel and Egypt. As a reward, Karl III was crowned Holy Roman Emperor by the Pope, and made Emperor over Charlemagne's lands to the west of the Rhine and outside of Italy.

The HRE, as a nation created by the Pope, was highly decentralised, with the only real obligations of those made vassal to it being the providing the Emperor with levies as called and a small tithe to the Emperor in exchange for protection, which would later lead to it's defeat in several wars in the late 1400s and early 1500s by the French who took various western cantons from Switzerland and the Duchy of Savoy after a rebellion by several Italian counts and their forces at the Battle of Turin.

Lotharingia would lose the Emperorship for a brief period during the Thirty Years War between the Emperor, at that time Heinrich II Von Zahnregien, and remained neutral during that war, unwilling to side with anyone due to the roughly even mix of Catholics and Protestants within the nation, and Lotharingia would also host the Peace of Westphalia that ended the war. The Salians regained the Emperorship soon after, and under the rule of Otto II, the previous Emperor, the Emperorship was made hereditary regardless of gender, due to Otto's only child being female and his wife having been almost killed during the birth. Otto II would also centralise Lotharingia itself in a similar style to that of Louis XIV of France, and would die in 1699, leaving the throne to his then 16 year old daughter Louise-Charlotte.
RP Example:

[Kherkov]

Finished, I hope.

Full Nation Name: Kingdom of Lotharingia
Short Nation Name: Lotharingia

Accepted.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Just popping in real quick before I go out.

I will not be around until later tonight, possibly even at all today, so unfortunately I will be unable to do anything ICly today, so sorry if that stagnates anyone's storylines or anything involving France.

If allowed to, I would to request the ability to do a backdated post tomorrow to address anything I needed to do today.

[Caltarania]

Hmm. I wonder if I'd be able to take a crack at a nation of sorts auf der Rhein?

[Britcan]

Hmm. I wonder if I'd be able to take a crack at a nation of sorts auf der Rhein?

The Rhine area is taken. The map just hasn't been updated yet.

[Kherkov]

Hmm. I wonder if I'd be able to take a crack at a nation of sorts auf der Rhein?

'Fraid Lunas has just been accepted for a nation there.