Pax Per Bellum: An 18th century Alt-History RP [OOC, OPEN]

[Landenburg]

Hmm. Is Japan reserved/taken?

Or could I make a third Indian nation, filling up the missing puzzle piece of India?

[Britcan]

Hmm. Is Japan reserved/taken?

Or could I make a third Indian nation, filling up the missing puzzle piece of India?

Japan is taken.

The Bengal area is still open.

[Landenburg]

Hmm. Is Japan reserved/taken?

Or could I make a third Indian nation, filling up the missing puzzle piece of India?

Japan is taken.

The Bengal area is still open.

Then that's where I'll be making my country.

[Krugmar]

Liking the Gazette, Krugmar.

Thanks, took me ages to find an editable old newspaper. Here is the link, if anybody else wishes to do one as well. There is also an alternative style here

[Kherkov]

Liking the Gazette, Krugmar.

Thanks, took me ages to find an editable old newspaper. Here is the link, if anybody else wishes to do one as well. There is also an alternative style here

Ha, nice, might do one sometime.

[Leo X]

Liking the Gazette, Krugmar.

Thanks, took me ages to find an editable old newspaper. Here is the link, if anybody else wishes to do one as well. There is also an alternative style here

I'll be using that in my post. I have to say when I first glanced at it I thought it was an actual extract from the London Gazette smh.

I'll get a post up tomorrow bc I have a piece of coursework that was due in last week that I still haven't done.

[Lunas Legion]

Full Nation Name: Kingdom of Lotharingia
Short Nation Name: Lotharingia
National Flag:

Territory: Here.
Official Language(s): German
Form of Government: Absolute Monarchy
Head of State: Queen Louise-Charlotte Salian, Empress of the Holy Roman Empire
Head of Government: N/A
Capital City: Mannheim
Population: 12.3 million
Religion: The Church is mostly allowed to do as it wishes; the Kingdom's populace is split relatively evenly between a Protestant north and a Catholic south, but as long as the various members of the landed clergy pay their taxes, the government allows both Churches to act as they wish, so long as no secular or religious laws are violated.
Army: 180,000 strong, divided into 18 10,000 man korps. Each korps fields 8,000 line infantry equipped in the standard European style of line infantry with small groups of pikemen in the ratio of one pikeman to every nine gunners, resulting in 800 pikes and 7200 gunners per korps, with 1800 cavalry split into 800 cuirassiers and 1000 hussar-style cavalry and the remaining 200 being artillery crewmen with 40 guns per korps. This setup, combined with the discipline and esprit de corps focused on in training has turned the Lotharingian Army into a versatile force able to hold it's on against any one of it's neighbours on the defensive.
Navy: None, as Lotharingia is landlocked, although some gunboats are used to patrol the Rhine and and other major rivers.
Economic Strength: Lotharingia has a decent economy; although it lacks raw materials, it has a large agricultural base from which it can export to it's neighbours, but it's landlocked nature means that it is highly reliant on the Rhine for overseas trade.
Infrastructure: High. Although the Rhine and surrounding rivers serve as the main trade and transport routes, a well-maintained road networks connects the Kingdom's Italian possessions to the rest of the Kingdom across the Alps and between major cities and towns.
Primary Goals: Retain independence, Attempt to centralise the HRE
History: The history of Lotharingia starts with it's namesake, Lothair Salian. Lothair was the son of Louis the Pious, himself a child of the murdered Charlemagne, who after the former died and the Empire Charlemagne had carved out broke apart into West Francia, which would later become the Kingdom of France, a independent Kingdom of Bavaria that would go onto become Austria-Bohemia, a loose scattering of independent counties in the Low Countries, the Kingdom of East Francia and finally the realm of Lothair I, Lotharingia, which occupied lands between Bavaria, the Papacy and West Francia as there was no ancient de jure name for the region, and he took the name 'Salian' to make his lineage clear from that of his brothers.

Lotharingia after Lothair's death was a quiet place for a time, before dynastic strife broke out between the rulers of the two Francias and Lotharingia. Lothair I's son, Lothair II, was able to conquer parts of the Kingdom of East Francia, but it limped on in the north of Germany, eventually to dissolve into smaller states. His campaign against France, however, failed miserably.

After Lothair II, the Kingdom was quiet for a few centuries, as the Karling lines in East and West Francia died out and the Kingdom of France formed. That changed in 1204 with Karl III, first Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire. Karl III, putting aside the dynasty's dislike of the Pope, joined the Fourth Crusade along with France and succeeded in reclaiming the Holy Land from the Infidel and Egypt. As a reward, Karl III was crowned Holy Roman Emperor by the Pope, and made Emperor over Charlemagne's lands to the west of the Rhine and outside of Italy.

The HRE, as a nation created by the Pope, was highly decentralised, with the only real obligations of those made vassal to it being the providing the Emperor with levies as called and a small tithe to the Emperor in exchange for protection, which would later lead to it's defeat in several wars in the late 1400s and early 1500s by the French who took various western cantons from Switzerland and the Duchy of Savoy after a rebellion by several Italian counts and their forces at the Battle of Turin.

Lotharingia would lose the Emperorship for a brief period during the Thirty Years War between the Emperor, at that time Heinrich II Von Zahnregien, and remained neutral during that war, unwilling to side with anyone due to the roughly even mix of Catholics and Protestants within the nation, and Lotharingia would also host the Peace of Westphalia that ended the war. The Salians regained the Emperorship soon after, and under the rule of Otto II, the previous Emperor, the Emperorship was made hereditary regardless of gender, due to Otto's only child being female and his wife having been almost killed during the birth. Otto II would also centralise Lotharingia itself in a similar style to that of Louis XIV of France, and would die in 1699, leaving the throne to his then 16 year old daughter Louise-Charlotte.
RP Example:

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Interesting indeed, the Holy Roman Empire lives on.

[New Granadeseret]

Are we starting in Jan. 1705? Or anywhere?

September 1705.

Wait... that's right at the end of the campaigning season. So we'll have a few months before major war in Europe, it seems.

[Prusslandia]

What would be a good pop for the Inca ? I've gotten several thousand Aztec refugees, so i'll need to account for that as well.

[Jade Confederacy]

September 1705.

Wait... that's right at the end of the campaigning season. So we'll have a few months before major war in Europe, it seems.

yep, border wars are still fine though. In the meantime, everyone will be first establishing diplomatic links

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Interesting indeed, the Holy Roman Empire lives on.

As long as he can keep up the mandate of the Pope, because he has the only legal authority to crown someone Holy Roman Emperor. At least, a new line, because the title cannot be revoked and is passed down like any title. But only the Pope can grant it at first. Which won't be that important, but we'll see.

Also, the pope himself is actually the only one we would truly call a Holy Roman Emperor, and Voltaire would agree.

[Britcan]

What would be a good pop for the Inca ? I've gotten several thousand Aztec refugees, so i'll need to account for that as well.

I believe Incan population peaked at around 11-13 million before they were almost wiped out by the Europeans.

[Prusslandia]

What would be a good pop for the Inca ? I've gotten several thousand Aztec refugees, so i'll need to account for that as well.

I believe Incan population peaked at around 11-13 million before they were almost wiped out by the Europeans.

Ah, alrighty then. I'll get a wip app up tonight, adn I'll (hopefully) finish it friday night.

[New Granadeseret]

Interesting indeed, the Holy Roman Empire lives on.

As long as he can keep up the mandate of the Pope, because he has the only legal authority to crown someone Holy Roman Emperor. At least, a new line, because the title cannot be revoked and is passed down like any title. But only the Pope can grant it at first. Which won't be that important, but we'll see.

Also, the pope himself is actually the only one we would truly call a Holy Roman Emperor, and Voltaire would agree.

Actually, wasn't there their electoral proceedings involved, with the Electors of the Empire picking the next one? Did that change happen in this timeline or not?

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

What would be a good pop for the Inca ? I've gotten several thousand Aztec refugees, so i'll need to account for that as well.

I believe Incan population peaked at around 11-13 million before they were almost wiped out by the Europeans.

Smallpox and such should have still impacted the Incans, taking their population down by a decent chunk.

[Krugmar]

As long as he can keep up the mandate of the Pope, because he has the only legal authority to crown someone Holy Roman Emperor. At least, a new line, because the title cannot be revoked and is passed down like any title. But only the Pope can grant it at first. Which won't be that important, but we'll see.

Also, the pope himself is actually the only one we would truly call a Holy Roman Emperor, and Voltaire would agree.

Actually, wasn't there their electoral proceedings involved, with the Electors of the Empire picking the next one? Did that change happen in this timeline or not?

I believe (may be wrong) that the Election gave the title of King of the Romans and Emperor-Elect, while only the Pope could make it the full Holy Roman Empire. Sometime in the 16th Century the Emperors stopped bothering to go to Rome to be crowned, and simply ruled as Emperor-Elects. Made no real difference to their authority, only to their title, and even then they would usually be referred to as the Emperor anyway.

[Argentarino]

What would be a good pop for the Inca ? I've gotten several thousand Aztec refugees, so i'll need to account for that as well.

You do know that the lands you want were, according to my app, formerly colonies of Spain? So, you may have to work with that.

[New Granadeseret]

Actually, wasn't there their electoral proceedings involved, with the Electors of the Empire picking the next one? Did that change happen in this timeline or not?

I believe (may be wrong) that the Election gave the title of King of the Romans and Emperor-Elect, while only the Pope could make it the full Holy Roman Empire. Sometime in the 16th Century the Emperors stopped bothering to go to Rome to be crowned, and simply ruled as Emperor-Elects. Made no real difference to their authority, only to their title, and even then they would usually be referred to as the Emperor anyway.

I'm just curious as to how that (though much less of one than in the past, but still has some value)Crown is getting passed around in this time line. Do we have a dynastic system? Do the German states elect their leader? Does the Pope (much more powerful in this timeline) just say he gets to pick the next one?

[Prusslandia]

I believe Incan population peaked at around 11-13 million before they were almost wiped out by the Europeans.

Smallpox and such should have still impacted the Incans, taking their population down by a decent chunk.

Well, this time around, the Incans got hit by smallpox and the like way earlier, as explorers, traders, and the odd viking ship were thrown way of course and infected the Inca, or infected the cultures the Inca came in contact with. Thus, the Inca were able to build up an immune system that could deal with smallpox and hte like early on.

[Lunas Legion]

Interesting indeed, the Holy Roman Empire lives on.

As long as he can keep up the mandate of the Pope, because he has the only legal authority to crown someone Holy Roman Emperor. At least, a new line, because the title cannot be revoked and is passed down like any title. But only the Pope can grant it at first. Which won't be that important, but we'll see.

Also, the pope himself is actually the only one we would truly call a Holy Roman Emperor, and Voltaire would agree.

The Pope may be the only person who fulfils the full title, being holy, controlling Rome and an empire, but after he crowned himself the title was created, and after the Pope's loss of control over the Carolignian Empire, the title fell into disuse (similar to how the King of France was at one point Byzantine Emperor IRL) before being ressurected by Heinrich I, who obtained the title due to aid rendered to the Papacy during the Fourth Crusade.

[Terminus Alpha]

Semi-long term expansion plans.

Basically, I'm gunning to control the Ohio River Valley and Upper Mississippi. Those who wish to use the rivers may, but all animals in the rivers will belong to the Five Civilized Nations. Depending on the person, unauthorized fishing/trapping will either net you a fine, or jail time.

[Super-Llamaland]

Semi-long term expansion plans.

Basically, I'm gunning to control the Ohio River Valley and Upper Mississippi. Those who wish to use the rivers may, but all animals in the rivers will belong to the Five Civilized Nations. Depending on the person, unauthorized fishing/trapping will either net you a fine, or jail time.

No argument from Sweden, looks fine to me.

[Alcase]

Semi-long term expansion plans.

Basically, I'm gunning to control the Ohio River Valley and Upper Mississippi. Those who wish to use the rivers may, but all animals in the rivers will belong to the Five Civilized Nations. Depending on the person, unauthorized fishing/trapping will either net you a fine, or jail time.

i honestly doubt Native Americans will be able to enforce fauna ownership in the face of combined European guns.

[Prusslandia]

What would be a good pop for the Inca ? I've gotten several thousand Aztec refugees, so i'll need to account for that as well.

You do know that the lands you want were, according to my app, formerly colonies of Spain? So, you may have to work with that.

Could you please let those be uncolonised, both in past and present ? Por favor ?