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[Luziyca]

I'm kinda waiting for everyone's diplomatic response to Catherine's coronation @_@

Korea doesn't give a damn right now.

I'm kinda waiting for everyone's diplomatic response to Catherine's coronation @_@

I have a revolution ti handle.

We all do, we have to handle our revolution around the sun: one day at a time.

[Pimps Inc]

Yea, youre right.
and then I have to handle the Mexican Independence Movement.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

I'm kinda waiting for everyone's diplomatic response to Catherine's coronation @_@

Don't have time to make a good Austria post tonight. Expect one early tomorrow if possible. It's good Friday, so everyone should be able to be on for most of the day with no school unless you live in North Korea or are extremely Christian and therefore will be in Mass from 11:00 AM to 11:00 PM.

[United Marxist Nations]

I'm kinda waiting for everyone's diplomatic response to Catherine's coronation @_@

With the developments since the prior agreement, it was pretty much a foregone conclusion.

Also, Vak, since you are Austria, how are we going to say the meeting our mutual ambassadors went? If we need to iron out the terms of it, I would be happy to, but the conclusion of that would be important to any reaction to anything the newly-formed Germany or Austria do with each other in the future.

[Unicario]

I'm kinda waiting for everyone's diplomatic response to Catherine's coronation @_@

With the developments since the prior agreement, it was pretty much a foregone conclusion.

Also, Vak, since you are Austria, how are we going to say the meeting our mutual ambassadors went? If we need to iron out the terms of it, I would be happy to, but the conclusion of that would be important to any reaction to anything the newly-formed Germany or Austria do with each other in the future.

Yes, but you know, I'm pretty sure the Habsburgers wouldn't be pleased about the Prussian Queen elevating herself to an imperial title... >>

[United Marxist Nations]

With the developments since the prior agreement, it was pretty much a foregone conclusion.

Also, Vak, since you are Austria, how are we going to say the meeting our mutual ambassadors went? If we need to iron out the terms of it, I would be happy to, but the conclusion of that would be important to any reaction to anything the newly-formed Germany or Austria do with each other in the future.

Yes, but you know, I'm pretty sure the Habsburgers wouldn't be pleased about the Prussian Queen elevating herself to an imperial title... >>

Yeah, I agree Austria should post about it, but I'm not an Incest von Hapsburger , so I don't have to.

[Ruridova]

With the developments since the prior agreement, it was pretty much a foregone conclusion.

Also, Vak, since you are Austria, how are we going to say the meeting our mutual ambassadors went? If we need to iron out the terms of it, I would be happy to, but the conclusion of that would be important to any reaction to anything the newly-formed Germany or Austria do with each other in the future.

Yes, but you know, I'm pretty sure the Habsburgers wouldn't be pleased about the Prussian Queen elevating herself to an imperial title... >>

The Hapsburg in my control is kind of sort of busy leading a massive rebellion and becoming a Greek national hero.

[Unicario]

Yes, but you know, I'm pretty sure the Habsburgers wouldn't be pleased about the Prussian Queen elevating herself to an imperial title... >>

The Hapsburg in my control is kind of sort of busy leading a massive rebellion and becoming a Greek national hero.

I'm talking about the snotty brats in Vienna, not Alexandros "I Get My Hands Dirty Because I'm a BAMF" von Habsburg

[Ruridova]

The Hapsburg in my control is kind of sort of busy leading a massive rebellion and becoming a Greek national hero.

I'm talking about the snotty brats in Vienna, not Alexandros "I Get My Hands Dirty Because I'm a BAMF" von Habsburg

There were probably a couple of RL Spanish or Austrian Hapsburg rulers who were literally badass motherfuckers, though.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

I'm talking about the snotty brats in Vienna, not Alexandros "I Get My Hands Dirty Because I'm a BAMF" von Habsburg

There were probably a couple of RL Spanish or Austrian Hapsburg rulers who were literally badass motherfuckers, though.

Yeah I'm not planning on my Austrian rulers being too snotty or uptight. Although that will be all in due time when the Monarchists (The current snotty brats) fight against the Authoritorian Imperialists (The BAMF's) in the civil war coming up in most likely the next 30 or so years.

Uni, when are you planning on taking all of the rest of my Austrian territory. If you can give me dates approximate for each piece of land you'll be taking in due process, that can help me plot out my timeline more effectively. As of now, my borders are still as they are on the most recent map correct? I am good at Prussian and Austrian history and Bismarck and all that, I'm just confused as to what your coronation basically did for me and you as Prussia and Austria.

[Unicario]

There were probably a couple of RL Spanish or Austrian Hapsburg rulers who were literally badass motherfuckers, though.

Yeah I'm not planning on my Austrian rulers being too snotty or uptight. Although that will be all in due time when the Monarchists (The current snotty brats) fight against the Authoritorian Imperialists (The BAMF's) in the civil war coming up in most likely the next 30 or so years.

Uni, when are you planning on taking all of the rest of my Austrian territory. If you can give me dates approximate for each piece of land you'll be taking in due process, that can help me plot out my timeline more effectively. As of now, my borders are still as they are on the most recent map correct? I am good at Prussian and Austrian history and Bismarck and all that, I'm just confused as to what your coronation basically did for me and you as Prussia and Austria.

Okay; hold on mate.

Catherine's coronation is basically a slap in Austria's face. Catherine has ceased recognizing Austria as the rightful Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire and has declared herself "Empress of Germany", effectively saying she no longer recognizes the HRE's authority over Germany.

Also, the fall of Austria will not happen yet, and it won't be all at once. It just depends on how your reactions to Catherine's actions go. ^^

[The Vaktovian Empire]

Yeah I'm not planning on my Austrian rulers being too snotty or uptight. Although that will be all in due time when the Monarchists (The current snotty brats) fight against the Authoritorian Imperialists (The BAMF's) in the civil war coming up in most likely the next 30 or so years.

Uni, when are you planning on taking all of the rest of my Austrian territory. If you can give me dates approximate for each piece of land you'll be taking in due process, that can help me plot out my timeline more effectively. As of now, my borders are still as they are on the most recent map correct? I am good at Prussian and Austrian history and Bismarck and all that, I'm just confused as to what your coronation basically did for me and you as Prussia and Austria.

Okay; hold on mate.

Catherine's coronation is basically a slap in Austria's face. Catherine has ceased recognizing Austria as the rightful Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire and has declared herself "Empress of Germany", effectively saying she no longer recognizes the HRE's authority over Germany.

Also, the fall of Austria will not happen yet, and it won't be all at once. It just depends on how your reactions to Catherine's actions go. ^^

So the amount of territory I lose is basically all based on how I treat Prussia and how much blood is spilled or fighting takes place? Or I still will lose everything including Vienna eventually regardless? And when we're talking about the H.R.E we're basically referencing the sovereign territory of Austria, Prussia, but also all of the German states in the West correct? Because I know all my sovereign territories would remain mine at least now regardless of Catherine's declaration.

[Unicario]

Okay; hold on mate.

Catherine's coronation is basically a slap in Austria's face. Catherine has ceased recognizing Austria as the rightful Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire and has declared herself "Empress of Germany", effectively saying she no longer recognizes the HRE's authority over Germany.

Also, the fall of Austria will not happen yet, and it won't be all at once. It just depends on how your reactions to Catherine's actions go. ^^

So the amount of territory I lose is basically all based on how I treat Prussia and how much blood is spilled or fighting takes place? Or I still will lose everything including Vienna eventually regardless? And when we're talking about the H.R.E we're basically referencing the sovereign territory of Austria, Prussia, but also all of the German states in the West correct? Because I know all my sovereign territories would remain mine at least now regardless of Catherine's declaration.

Okay:
- The HRE refers to the entity called the Holy Roman Empire, a loose confederation of several dozen German states.
- Germany, under Catherine's hegemony, consists of Prussia, Mecklenburg and Braunschweig-Luneburg.
- The partition of Austria will happen, when it happens is all a matter of how it plays out ICly.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

So the amount of territory I lose is basically all based on how I treat Prussia and how much blood is spilled or fighting takes place? Or I still will lose everything including Vienna eventually regardless? And when we're talking about the H.R.E we're basically referencing the sovereign territory of Austria, Prussia, but also all of the German states in the West correct? Because I know all my sovereign territories would remain mine at least now regardless of Catherine's declaration.

Okay:
- The HRE refers to the entity called the Holy Roman Empire, a loose confederation of several dozen German states.
- Germany, under Catherine's hegemony, consists of Prussia, Mecklenburg and Braunschweig-Luneburg.
- The partition of Austria will happen, when it happens is all a matter of how it plays out ICly.

For the sake of the fact that we're most likely going to be fighting over several smaller German territories, and that any IRL map will not compare correctly to our alt-universe. Is it too much to ask you make a map of our respective realms of sovereignty and then the puppet states we'll be fighting over, as in all of the small white and different colored states we don't control on the most updated map you made? I'd appreciate that greatly so I can use it to strategize ICly.

[Unicario]

Okay:
- The HRE refers to the entity called the Holy Roman Empire, a loose confederation of several dozen German states.
- Germany, under Catherine's hegemony, consists of Prussia, Mecklenburg and Braunschweig-Luneburg.
- The partition of Austria will happen, when it happens is all a matter of how it plays out ICly.

For the sake of the fact that we're most likely going to be fighting over several smaller German territories, and that any IRL map will not compare correctly to our alt-universe. Is it too much to ask you make a map of our respective realms of sovereignty and then the puppet states we'll be fighting over, as in all of the small white and different colored states we don't control on the most updated map you made? I'd appreciate that greatly so I can use it to strategize ICly.

You have no puppet states, you have the Austrian Empire. We're not going to really be fighting primarily over puppet states; except maybe the War of Bavarian Succession in 1778.

[The Vaktovian Empire]

For the sake of the fact that we're most likely going to be fighting over several smaller German territories, and that any IRL map will not compare correctly to our alt-universe. Is it too much to ask you make a map of our respective realms of sovereignty and then the puppet states we'll be fighting over, as in all of the small white and different colored states we don't control on the most updated map you made? I'd appreciate that greatly so I can use it to strategize ICly.

You have no puppet states, you have the Austrian Empire. We're not going to really be fighting primarily over puppet states; except maybe the War of Bavarian Succession in 1778.

Alright. I guess diplomacy is the way to go then.

[Unicario]

I'll post a map of the HRE from 1792 with the German Empire outlined in black, and the Austrian one in red, and the Bavarian electorate in Blue. It's the best I have.

[Unicario]

http://goput.it/n4w.jpg

Prussia/Germany also controls Ansbach, Bayreuth, and Mansfield. (All the regions with Prussia's blue, basically)

[The Vaktovian Empire]

http://goput.it/n4w.jpg

Prussia/Germany also controls Ansbach, Bayreuth, and Mansfield. (All the regions with Prussia's blue, basically)

Thank You Uni

[Ruridova]

Okay; hold on mate.

Catherine's coronation is basically a slap in Austria's face. Catherine has ceased recognizing Austria as the rightful Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire and has declared herself "Empress of Germany", effectively saying she no longer recognizes the HRE's authority over Germany.

Also, the fall of Austria will not happen yet, and it won't be all at once. It just depends on how your reactions to Catherine's actions go. ^^

So the amount of territory I lose is basically all based on how I treat Prussia and how much blood is spilled or fighting takes place? Or I still will lose everything including Vienna eventually regardless? And when we're talking about the H.R.E we're basically referencing the sovereign territory of Austria, Prussia, but also all of the German states in the West correct? Because I know all my sovereign territories would remain mine at least now regardless of Catherine's declaration.

Let's all be totally honest, it really doesn't matter what you do. ATL Austria 1775 is essentially OTL 1933 Czechoslovakia; you will not win against Germany, through appeasement or through combat. There is no way for you to win this, Vak. Warfare ends you quickly, diplomacy ends you slowly. Both options end with you losing. That's why of the Quendi left. If you're lucky, then the Hapsburgs will keep Hungary in the same way that Germany created a puppet state in Slovakia, but that's probably the most you'll accomplish.

[United Marxist Nations]

So the amount of territory I lose is basically all based on how I treat Prussia and how much blood is spilled or fighting takes place? Or I still will lose everything including Vienna eventually regardless? And when we're talking about the H.R.E we're basically referencing the sovereign territory of Austria, Prussia, but also all of the German states in the West correct? Because I know all my sovereign territories would remain mine at least now regardless of Catherine's declaration.

Okay:
- The HRE refers to the entity called the Holy Roman Empire, a loose confederation of several dozen German states.
- Germany, under Catherine's hegemony, consists of Prussia, Mecklenburg and Braunschweig-Luneburg.
- The partition of Austria will happen, when it happens is all a matter of how it plays out ICly.

That, frankly speaking, seems like quite a godmod. Yeah, he'd have ethnic tensions, but if he plays it right, he could still very well avert a partition (between whom?).

[Luziyca]

Okay:
- The HRE refers to the entity called the Holy Roman Empire, a loose confederation of several dozen German states.
- Germany, under Catherine's hegemony, consists of Prussia, Mecklenburg and Braunschweig-Luneburg.
- The partition of Austria will happen, when it happens is all a matter of how it plays out ICly.

That, frankly speaking, seems like quite a godmod. Yeah, he'd have ethnic tensions, but if he plays it right, he could still very well avert a partition (between whom?).

Erm, maybe until the early 20th century.

[Ruridova]

Okay:
- The HRE refers to the entity called the Holy Roman Empire, a loose confederation of several dozen German states.
- Germany, under Catherine's hegemony, consists of Prussia, Mecklenburg and Braunschweig-Luneburg.
- The partition of Austria will happen, when it happens is all a matter of how it plays out ICly.

That, frankly speaking, seems like quite a godmod. Yeah, he'd have ethnic tensions, but if he plays it right, he could still very well avert a partition (between whom?).

If he averts ethnic tensions then Uni will force it upon Vak anyways. Either Germany will conquer Austria and divide up the non-German territories, or Austria will appease Germany through concessions until Austria is no longer strong enough to resist Germany.

[Luziyca]

Indeed. As for 1848, I may have the Koreans demand a constitutional monarchy and an Empire.

[United Marxist Nations]

That, frankly speaking, seems like quite a godmod. Yeah, he'd have ethnic tensions, but if he plays it right, he could still very well avert a partition (between whom?).

If he averts ethnic tensions then Uni will force it upon Vak anyways. Either Germany will conquer Austria and divide up the non-German territories, or Austria will appease Germany through concessions until Austria is no longer strong enough to resist Germany.

Yeah, that's godmod. RL Austria actually did pretty well averting ethnic tensions, so it is definitely possible that Vak could avoid big tensions.