IJ2: New Dawn (Marvel,DC,DBZ, X/over, OOC, Always Open!)

[The Five Galaxies]

Hmmm. That means that Kilian will need to be a threat vs Beerus/Whis because he's speed God, unless I bring out the "daud adapts to divine energy" bit.

I'd say wreck in our favor. Kyoten could boss Buu and company pretty easy, and SSG means no one but DBZ gods affect him. Frank is comparable to Kyoten and Daud by word of Finland, so it then becomes overkill in our favor. IJ stomp.

What if we throw in HST to their side? Would it help?
Or DoTM, if that is not enough.

The HST (depending on which one you are referring to) mainly has hax on their side, not raw power. Toriko is beginning to catch up quite a bit though (and I'd count it as one of the HST over Bleach at any rate).

[Rob Halfordia]

People, let's talk about something else instead.


Like...
MSSJ3 Kyoten, Kilian, Daud and L6 Frank vs Dragon Ball Universe

As in "Dragon Ball Universe", I mean all characters and feats from DBZ, DBGT and the movies. Powerscaling on. Bloodlust on. DBU gets 1 week prep.
Terrain - empty Earth. No using Frank's Reality Break, Kyoten's reality destroying powers or Daud's Atomic Smashing Strike. As well as Boss Rabbit's powers, Devil-Man's powers and Dabura's Stone Spit.

Who wins? If too much of a stomp from our side, throw in the HST in DBU side.

Bloodlusted?

Hell, Kilian would be able to solo most of it alone. DBZ characters dont' even come close to lightspeed and Kilian has a long list of powers that ignore durability. Buu was almost taken out by Majin vegeta self destructing. A few IMPs and GG.

You know, it's been said in the show that Raditz was FTL, as was it hinted in Dragon Ball that Goku was. If I'm not mistaken, he dodged Tien's solar flare.

[The Republic of Atria]

Bloodlusted?

Hell, Kilian would be able to solo most of it alone. DBZ characters dont' even come close to lightspeed and Kilian has a long list of powers that ignore durability. Buu was almost taken out by Majin vegeta self destructing. A few IMPs and GG.

You know, it's been said in the show that Raditz was FTL, as was it hinted in Dragon Ball that Goku was. If I'm not mistaken, he dodged Tien's solar flare.

It was also said in the show that IT is lightspeed.

DBZ characters are not lightpseed.

[Rob Halfordia]

You know, it's been said in the show that Raditz was FTL, as was it hinted in Dragon Ball that Goku was. If I'm not mistaken, he dodged Tien's solar flare.

It was also said in the show that IT is lightspeed.

DBZ characters are not lightpseed.

In combat speed, there is a fairly strong argument that they are.

[The Republic of Atria]

It was also said in the show that IT is lightspeed.

DBZ characters are not lightpseed.

In combat speed, there is a fairly strong argument that they are.

They are ~ mach 1000-2000. There is no proof to indicate such a thing as FTL. IT aside as it is teleportation.

[Rob Halfordia]

In combat speed, there is a fairly strong argument that they are.

They are ~ mach 1000-2000. There is no proof to indicate such a thing as FTL. IT aside as it is teleportation.

Aside from the fact that in Dragon Ball, Goku out ran Tien's Solar Flare.

[The Five Galaxies]

Eh, I think people could make arguments for them being lightspeed perhaps. Certainly I've seen plenty of people on the internet claim that they are at some point in the series.

And Rob, at your last point, that was when Dragon Ball was pretty much still a gag manga.

[Finland SSR]

In combat speed, there is a fairly strong argument that they are.

They are ~ mach 1000-2000. There is no proof to indicate such a thing as FTL. IT aside as it is teleportation.

Dodging Solar Flare? Burter claiming to be FTL in manga?

[Rob Halfordia]

Eh, I think people could make arguments for them being lightspeed perhaps. Certainly I've seen plenty of people on the internet claim that they are at some point in the series.

And Rob, at your last point, that was when Dragon Ball was pretty much still a gag manga.

Still canon.

[The Republic of Atria]

They are ~ mach 1000-2000. There is no proof to indicate such a thing as FTL. IT aside as it is teleportation.

Dodging Solar Flare? Burter claiming to be FTL in manga?

That image was fake.

As for dodging solar flare. Not that impressive since they shout SOLAR FLARE. And then do it.

[Finland SSR]

Dodging Solar Flare? Burter claiming to be FTL in manga?

That image was fake.

As for dodging solar flare. Not that impressive since they shout SOLAR FLARE. And then do it.

Fake? wut
It wasn't.

[Rob Halfordia]

Dodging Solar Flare? Burter claiming to be FTL in manga?

That image was fake.

As for dodging solar flare. Not that impressive since they shout SOLAR FLARE. And then do it.

But it still happens instantly after that, and Goku is shown to dodge the light itself. You really have no counter argument for this one.

[The Five Galaxies]

That image was fake.

As for dodging solar flare. Not that impressive since they shout SOLAR FLARE. And then do it.

But it still happens instantly after that, and Goku is shown to dodge the light itself. You really have no counter argument for this one.

Well, the only counter-argument I can think of is consistency; nobody else in the rest of the series (where they get much faster of course due to scaling of power) ever dodges the solar flare.

[The Republic of Atria]

Revision: Characters at SSJ2 are LS maybe slightly FTL.

Those roughly SSJ3 or above (Goku, Mystic Gohan, The Buus, Beerus, Whis, others I am forgetting) Are FTL times 10 or so.*

Dunno how to measure SSG/Beerus/Whis. They have different rules.

That's what I'm going by Galaxies. That was pretty much the only instance of that happening. Everyone else was hit by it.

[Rob Halfordia]

Revision: Characters at SSJ2 are LS maybe slightly FTL.

Those roughly SSJ3 or above (Goku, Mystic Gohan, The Buus, Beerus, Whis, others I am forgetting) Are FTL times 10 or so.*

Dunno how to measure SSG/Beerus/Whis. They have different rules.

That's what I'm going by Galaxies. That was pretty much the only instance of that happening. Everyone else was hit by it.

We can assume that SSG is FTL.

[The Republic of Atria]

Revision: Characters at SSJ2 are LS maybe slightly FTL.

Those roughly SSJ3 or above (Goku, Mystic Gohan, The Buus, Beerus, Whis, others I am forgetting) Are FTL times 10 or so.*

Dunno how to measure SSG/Beerus/Whis. They have different rules.

That's what I'm going by Galaxies. That was pretty much the only instance of that happening. Everyone else was hit by it.

We can assume that SSG is FTL.

I'm assuming SSJ2 is LS.

How far FTL SSG is beyond me. SSJ3 is roughly 8-10c. God Ki seems to function differently. Also, whoever said that Mortal Ki can't hurt God Ki clearly did not see the scene Where Vegeta made Beerus spit up blood.

[Rob Halfordia]

We can assume that SSG is FTL.

I'm assuming SSJ2 is LS.

How far FTL SSG is beyond me. SSJ3 is roughly 8-10c. God Ki seems to function differently. Also, whoever said that Mortal Ki can't hurt God Ki clearly did not see the scene Where Vegeta made Beerus spit up blood.

Beerus was caught by surprise at a low level of power, and I never said that you couldn't hurt them, I said that the divine Ki will always win out.

[The Republic of Atria]

I'm assuming SSJ2 is LS.

How far FTL SSG is beyond me. SSJ3 is roughly 8-10c. God Ki seems to function differently. Also, whoever said that Mortal Ki can't hurt God Ki clearly did not see the scene Where Vegeta made Beerus spit up blood.

Beerus was caught by surprise at a low level of power, and I never said that you couldn't hurt them, I said that the divine Ki will always win out.

Obviously divine Ki>regular Ki.

Anyways. DBZ Characters speed is irrelevant. Since Finland said it was Bloodlusted, that means Kilian is moving top speed which is on a level even Whis couldn't begin to comprehend.

I'm also surprised that Whis doesn't have IT.

[The Five Galaxies]

Eh, we don't know anything about Whis or his true capabilities really. All we know is that he's the most powerful / strongest character in canon DBZ; beyond that, pretty much nothing.

[Finland SSR]

Beerus was caught by surprise at a low level of power, and I never said that you couldn't hurt them, I said that the divine Ki will always win out.

Obviously divine Ki>regular Ki.

Anyways. DBZ Characters speed is irrelevant. Since Finland said it was Bloodlusted, that means Kilian is moving top speed which is on a level even Whis couldn't begin to comprehend.

I'm also surprised that Whis doesn't have IT.

Maybe he has Instantaneous Movement? He hasn't been on scene that much to see anything he can do.

[The Republic of Atria]

Obviously divine Ki>regular Ki.

Anyways. DBZ Characters speed is irrelevant. Since Finland said it was Bloodlusted, that means Kilian is moving top speed which is on a level even Whis couldn't begin to comprehend.

I'm also surprised that Whis doesn't have IT.

Maybe he has Instantaneous Movement? He hasn't been on scene that much to see anything he can do.

If he had that, then I'm certain he wouldn't have made Beerus wait 22 minutes to get to earth. His job is to take care of Beerus.

But yeah. We ain't got much on Whis.

[Rob Halfordia]

Eh, we don't know anything about Whis or his true capabilities really. All we know is that he's the most powerful / strongest character in canon DBZ; beyond that, pretty much nothing.

We know he crossed a galaxy in 20 minutes, and a galaxy larger than the milky way at that.

[The Republic of Atria]

Eh, we don't know anything about Whis or his true capabilities really. All we know is that he's the most powerful / strongest character in canon DBZ; beyond that, pretty much nothing.

We know he crossed a galaxy in 20 minutes, and a galaxy larger than the milky way at that.

Kilian can cross the milky way in under 2 minutes. So unless the galaxy is 10 times the size of it. Kilian is faster. Plus. Kilian has some haxxed as hell abilities.

[The Five Galaxies]

We know he crossed a galaxy in 20 minutes, and a galaxy larger than the milky way at that.

Kilian can cross the milky way in under 2 minutes. So unless the galaxy is 10 times the size of it. Kilian is faster. Plus. Kilian has some haxxed as hell abilities.

Oh, believe me Atria, we all know how haxed Kilian is.

[The Republic of Atria]

Kilian can cross the milky way in under 2 minutes. So unless the galaxy is 10 times the size of it. Kilian is faster. Plus. Kilian has some haxxed as hell abilities.

Oh, believe me Atria, we all know how haxed Kilian is.

He's even more haxed than I say! Or let him be at least.