1861: Slaves, Loans and Gun Boats, OOC, many avilable

[Pimps Inc]

No, it wasn't. We Americans learned this in high school. I don't know what they taught you in your school, but I'm pretty sure American history teachers would know of this.

The United States never had the desire to take over all of North America.

There was an All Mexico but it was rejected due to how Mexico would be too unstable to keep under control.

[Pimps Inc]

See?
You dont have the guts to fight me alone.
Even so, I wont give official support.
Ill cover up my military build up by taking over Central America(except Belize).

He can't fight you because he is busy dealing with a massive rebellion right now. He is probably not afraid to fight you.

Yea because in the Mex-Amer War, I wasnt fighting a civil war.

[The Orson Empire]

The United States never had the desire to take over all of North America.

There was an All Mexico but it was rejected due to how Mexico would be too unstable to keep under control.

Interesting. I didn't know that.

[The Orson Empire]

He can't fight you because he is busy dealing with a massive rebellion right now. He is probably not afraid to fight you.

Yea because in the Mex-Amer War, I wasnt fighting a civil war.

The difference is that the U.S. is fighting the CSA, which is a formidable opponent. The Mexican Military is abysmal.

[Pimps Inc]

There was an All Mexico but it was rejected due to how Mexico would be too unstable to keep under control.

Interesting. I didn't know that.

Yea because in the Mex-Amer War, I wasnt fighting a civil war.

The difference is that the U.S. is fighting the CSA, which is a formidable opponent. The Mexican Military is abysmal.

Meh, it was different back then.
You think having almost every state in rebellion isnt formidable?

[Of The Rnclave]

Yea because in the Mex-Amer War, I wasnt fighting a civil war.

The difference is that the U.S. is fighting the CSA, which is a formidable opponent. The Mexican Military is abysmal.

I could end it now though, they've lost all outside trade, and I'm about to take Richmond

[Pimps Inc]

The difference is that the U.S. is fighting the CSA, which is a formidable opponent. The Mexican Military is abysmal.

I could end it now though, they've lost all outside trade, and I'm about to take Richmond

Pimps to the rescue!

To Fort Sumter!

[Of The Rnclave]

I could end it now though, they've lost all outside trade, and I'm about to take Richmond

Pimps to the rescue!

To Fort Sumter!

I'd destroy your Navy bro, I suggest you buy your time for when I'm weaker

[Pimps Inc]

Pimps to the rescue!

To Fort Sumter!

I'd destroy your Navy bro, I suggest you buy your time for when I'm weaker

Your Monitors are pathetic!

I have European clads and with British crews.

[New Abrahammia]

The difference is that the U.S. is fighting the CSA, which is a formidable opponent. The Mexican Military is abysmal.

I could end it now though, they've lost all outside trade, and I'm about to take Richmond

Seriously, are we still all pretending that the Union army was able to walk all around Richmond without triggering the ambush? And dig trenches?

[Arana]

I could end it now though, they've lost all outside trade, and I'm about to take Richmond

Seriously, are we still all pretending that the Union army was able to walk all around Richmond without triggering the ambush? And dig trenches?

Clearly the entire Confederate Army fell asleep, and couldn't hear the sound of 25,000 men marching, cannons being set up, horses neighing, trenches being dug, etc.

[Of The Rnclave]

Seriously, are we still all pretending that the Union army was able to walk all around Richmond without triggering the ambush? And dig trenches?

Clearly the entire Confederate Army fell asleep, and couldn't hear the sound of 25,000 men marching, cannons being set up, horses neighing, trenches being dug, etc.

No, the men are like a quarter if the way dug in with the trenches, the only thing truly dug in is the batteries

[Tyben]

Clearly the entire Confederate Army fell asleep, and couldn't hear the sound of 25,000 men marching, cannons being set up, horses neighing, trenches being dug, etc.

Seriously, are we still all pretending that the Union army was able to walk all around Richmond without triggering the ambush? And dig trenches?

I think a sufficient number of casualties would be inflicted on both the sieging and defending forces, as they are both going to be lobbing explosives and ammunition at one another and the fact that the sieging force became entrenched and the defenders are also well entrenched would lead the battle to be long and bloody for both sides.

I think Confederate Rper and the US RPer get into TG and negotiate on the results of the battle, it seems that no matter what it is going to be a very bloody battle and it would be best to just have it settled now so we can continue.

[The Greater Gambia]

IS there a Japan?

[Tyben]

IS there a Japan?

Don't think so.

[New Jordslag]

As WW1 has shown, simply forcing a path through the strait isn't that difficult. Again. Concentrate on solving your shitload of internal problems.

Or, you know, you could pick a fight with a bunch of people and lose badly.

World War one is more than fifty years after the current time period, during a time in which the Ottomans had further stagnated, their naval forces were all but disbanded and the Ottoman Empire could no longer be considered a Great Power. However, considering the year is 1861, the technology to take the canal against the Ottomans would be all but impossible, especially considering they have the third most powerful navy during this time period, only after Britain and France, at 173 ships if you tried to force your way through the canal it would fail miserably and then you experience the full force of the Ottoman military, a military that at this time would be far superior to your in all but leadership.

Furthermore, I would like to make the point that my 'shitload' of internal problems isn't really as much of a shit load as it seems, the Ottoman Empire was modernizing at the same rate, if not at a faster rate, than many Eastern European countries, in fact even the Russian Empire/Tsardom wouldn't be as modernized as the Ottomans. There are 5 primary problems I face as the Ottomans, military leadership, modernization, which in itself isn't a very big problem as most nations are experiencing this, imperialist expansion against the Ottomans, corruption, and finally internal ethnic conflict, something I will deal with in my next post.

Despite what you might think of the Sick Man of Europe, the Ottoman Empire was an empire for a reason, their ideals, their technology, and their willingness to incorporate other cultures without destroying them, similar to the Mongol Empire, is a major reason for their success in history, it is a major reason they reigned as the supreme power on the Eurasian continent for over 5 centuries unchallenged.

Like, seriously, Ottoman player. You lost a war. Congrats. Now look inside your nation and find out what caused you to lose the war before looking for a revenge match.

The fact that the Ottoman Empire lost a war isn’t new, the Ottomans lost many wars but they won far more. But the fact that you believe the Ottomans would’ve lost in any realistic situation when it came to full on military clashes is ignorant, the only way a country like Rumania would be able to handle the military might of the Ottomans is through tactics and excellent leadership, your morale would be low, your people would’ve been scared shitless at the sight of a well-equipped Ottoman army and on top of that your army would be unable to have competed with the skill level or equipment quality of the Ottomans, the best you would’ve had was militia.

However, that is not to say it shouldn’t have happened in the RP, it makes for an interesting story and I will find it an interesting challenge to deal with and I know it would’ve been possible but the entire advantage of the Rumanian forces would’ve been one thing, asymmetrical warfare, tactics that allowed the United States to break the grip of Great Britain because they could attack and then disperse and disappear without being caught, not your so called national pride or superior equipment or training.

If the Ottomans give me de facto control of Lesbos (with its very good natural harbour), I will train their men and sell them cheap weapons. I may even send them a Glorie Ironclad.

If they refuse... I am sure Rumania would like some Canon obusier de 12, the rifled "Canon de montagne de 4, Paixhan guns, modern rifles and an Ironclad.

I am more than willing to give de facto control of Lesbos to the French, it would increase the power projection of an ally, allow a location to station allied forces and serve as a training ground and trade hub between our two nations. However port authorities will still have authority on the island, it prevents the smuggling of opiates and other substances without government tax/approval. Plus it will prevent the militarization of rebel factions.

Morale? Low? Nope. Rumanian Nationalism is at a high.

The principality of Rumania also had an army, not just militia. You underestimate the strength of the Balkan Countries.

National Pride and Training did play a big role in the Rumanian War for independence. What, do you think we trained them for stuff other than Asymmetrical Warfare? Of course not. That's exactly what I meant by training. But even before the Rumanian war for independence, Rumania had a trained army. God only knows why you think the Rumanian army at the time was an ill-disciplined militia. It was a poorly-armed but Highly-Nationalist Military.

5 Internal Problems, by the way, is 3 more then I have. I'm trying to suggest you fix some of those, or at least finish Modernizing, before trying to block my trade.

And it's not like this Rumania truly wants war with you. Unlike historical Rumania, which wanted to expand throughout the Balkans, mine is a Nationalist Nation that, interestingly, wants peace with other nations so it can plant colonies in Africa.

Hell, I wouldn't even mind a Trade Treaty or Alliance with the Ottomans if they kept the peace. So let's stop clogging up the OOC thread. Dickwaving becomes tiresome.

[Pimps Inc]

Seriously, are we still all pretending that the Union army was able to walk all around Richmond without triggering the ambush? And dig trenches?

Clearly the entire Confederate Army fell asleep, and couldn't hear the sound of 25,000 men marching, cannons being set up, horses neighing, trenches being dug, etc.

More like they fell into a coma.....

[Tyben]

Morale? Low? Nope. Rumanian Nationalism is at a high.

The principality of Rumania also had an army, not just militia. You underestimate the strength of the Balkan Countries.

National Pride and Training did play a big role in the Rumanian War for independence. What, do you think we trained them for stuff other than Asymmetrical Warfare? Of course not. That's exactly what I meant by training. But even before the Rumanian war for independence, Rumania had a trained army. God only knows why you think the Rumanian army at the time was an ill-disciplined militia. It was a poorly-armed but Highly-Nationalist Military.

5 Internal Problems, by the way, is 3 more then I have. I'm trying to suggest you fix some of those, or at least finish Modernizing, before trying to block my trade.

And it's not like this Rumania truly wants war with you. Unlike historical Rumania, which wanted to expand throughout the Balkans, mine is a Nationalist Nation that, interestingly, wants peace with other nations so it can plant colonies in Africa.

Hell, I wouldn't even mind a Trade Treaty or Alliance with the Ottomans if they kept the peace. So let's stop clogging up the OOC thread. Dickwaving becomes tiresome.

Wow now friend it seems like I am getting up into someone's feels, seems like you need to simmer down.

[Pimps Inc]

And British navy men sucked.
My iron clads used to be manned by a British crew but they almost destroyed them.
The Texan navy beat them using sloops.
That's why they gettin fired.

[Arana]

And British navy men sucked.
My iron clads used to be manned by a British crew but they almost destroyed them.
The Texan navy beat them using sloops.
That's why they gettin fired.

Yeah, the most powerful naval force on the planet from 1588 to World War I obviously had a worse navy than Mexico.

[Pimps Inc]

Im not saying we were better but we would have definitely done better than this

[The Orson Empire]

And British navy men sucked.
My iron clads used to be manned by a British crew but they almost destroyed them.
The Texan navy beat them using sloops.
That's why they gettin fired.

You say British navy men suck, but yet the British Navy is still the most powerful force in the world.

[Pimps Inc]

And British navy men sucked.
My iron clads used to be manned by a British crew but they almost destroyed them.
The Texan navy beat them using sloops.
That's why they gettin fired.

You say British navy men suck, but yet the British Navy is still the most powerful force in the world.

Having a lot of ships doesn't make your men good.
I'm not saying we were better.Only that battle was ridiculous.You simply spend a lot on defense.

[Arana]

Im not saying we were better but we would have definitely done better than this

From the looks of it, the Mexicans were outnumbered 9 to 7, and yet still won a strategic victory.

[New Jordslag]

Morale? Low? Nope. Rumanian Nationalism is at a high.

The principality of Rumania also had an army, not just militia. You underestimate the strength of the Balkan Countries.

National Pride and Training did play a big role in the Rumanian War for independence. What, do you think we trained them for stuff other than Asymmetrical Warfare? Of course not. That's exactly what I meant by training. But even before the Rumanian war for independence, Rumania had a trained army. God only knows why you think the Rumanian army at the time was an ill-disciplined militia. It was a poorly-armed but Highly-Nationalist Military.

5 Internal Problems, by the way, is 3 more then I have. I'm trying to suggest you fix some of those, or at least finish Modernizing, before trying to block my trade.

And it's not like this Rumania truly wants war with you. Unlike historical Rumania, which wanted to expand throughout the Balkans, mine is a Nationalist Nation that, interestingly, wants peace with other nations so it can plant colonies in Africa.

Hell, I wouldn't even mind a Trade Treaty or Alliance with the Ottomans if they kept the peace. So let's stop clogging up the OOC thread. Dickwaving becomes tiresome.

Wow now friend it seems like I am getting up into someone's feels, seems like you need to simmer down.

Mmm.

Still, you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours.

Obviously, the riots in Belgrade is a problem that cannot be ignored. However.

It threatens me too. My relations with the Ottomans are extremely tense, but are at least stable. There's no telling how relations with a newly independent Serbia might go. And what if it turns Socialist? Then it endangers both of us.

Therefore, I have a deal: I will pay a small toll to pass through the Strait, as well as help squash the riots, if you let me pass through and establish my colonies.

Sound good?