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1861: Slaves, Loans and Gun Boats, OOC, many avilable

Postby Elepis » Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:20 pm

1861: Alt History RP

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With drops of sweat and blood, history is being made in this new era of global change. While once-great empires have collapsed, others rise up to take their place in the international struggle for conquest and political dominance. New technologies are being introduced to change the face of the world, once-isolated tribes are now being marginalized by the onslaught of foreign settlers, and colonists continue to seek new lands for gold and glory. With rebel groups seeking independence, empires making headway's into unknown territory, and factions fighting for power, 1861 is a mosaic representing global transformation on an unprecedented scale. So here it is, the time has come for you to write the course of history.

In the Americas the once great nation of Mexico has had tracks of land taken from it by the USA. Heavily indebted to Europe, its new President Benito Juarez seek to enrich his country, by wiring off his debt to France, Spain and the British Empire. This will undoubtedly anger the great powers of Europe and could cause all-out war.

However, further north in the USA, another war looms, a war which could change the face of the world. The election of one Abraham Lincoln in 1860 on an anti-slavery ticket has angered the slave owning, cotton producing south eastern states who have promised action against Mr Lincoln. With Lincoln's inauguration only three months away, the rich of the Southern USA push for independence from the north.

In Europe, tensions between a resurgent France and Austria and the German state of Prussia continue to rise as the Prussians continue to espouse the unification of Germany. Britain continues to maintain its "Splendid Isolation" from Europe while it continues to build its vast colonial empire but if war breaks out in America, Britain may be forced to act to maintain the supply of Cotton to the mills of Manchester and Leeds.

In Asia, Russia continues to expand its icy grip over the centre of the continent while China tries in vain to modernize after its disastrous defeat at the hands of the British and French one year ago when its capital, Peking was burnt. The army may seek to modernize but there are large tracks of the population who want to keep to the traditional ways. China must decide, modernization or isolation if it is to avert all out civil war.

MAP
LIST OF NATIONS

Needed Nations:
Russia
Portugal
Bavaria
Spain
China

Need Rebels:


Nation Apps
Code: Select all
[box]Name of Nation:
Population: (the population of your nation estimate)
Population [Empire Total Estimate] (If you have an Empire):
Military Branches:
Country and Territories (Preferably a map):
Head of State:
Head of Government:
Government Style:
Primary Weapon (Rifle):
Secondary Weapon (Pistol or Knife):
Standard Artillery:
Most powerful Naval Vessels:
History (Optional):
RP Sample:
429 (It helps to find apps)[/box]


Rebel App
Code: Select all
[box]
Name of your Rebel Group:
Country that you are rebelling in:
Base of Operations:
Number of Followers/Members:
Why you are rebelling:
Popular support:
Quality of Weapons, from 1 to 10:
429 (It helps to find apps)
[/box]


Organization app

Code: Select all
NS Name:
Organization Name:
Membership Size:
Location of Origin:
Summary of Organization (at least 3 paragraphs):

429 (It helps to find apps)


NATION
2nd French Empire: Elepis
Siam: Mangjukoia
USA: Of Rnclave
CSA: New Abrahammia
Austrian Empire: Kargintina
The Empire of Diaohainan (PNG), WIP: Soviet Chernarus
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland : The Orson Empire
The Principality of Rumania: New Jordslag
Netherlands: Kumbhalgarh
Brazil: Mifan
Mexico: Pimps Inc
Ottoman Empire: Tyben
Prussia: Zenoch
Orange Free State: The North German Commonwealth
Republica de Centroamerica :Baja California y Sonora
Italy: Arana

Rebels:
Sons of Arabia: Islamin Kara
Pan-German Union (rebel group/political party): Fascist Republic of Bermuda
Croatian Liberation Front: Benian Republic

RESERVE:


Rules
Timescale:
IC
4 pages=1 year
1 page = 1 season
Remember, this is not WW2, it takes time to move troops, even in summer it could take weeks to get troops from Paris to Spain. In some countries such as Russia, it could take months to move in winter or Rasputitsa (the thaw) when it get extremely muddy.
There will also be a conference thread where time will be in real time.

Waging War:
Any conflict that is started must be waged reasonably and realistically. This is - 1861, people! Troops are constantly hampered by the technological limitations of the day, which I will go into more detail about below:

Technology:
Understanding the limitations of your nation's technology is important. Make sure that you play according to that technology.

Know How to Lose:
This is the biggest problem I see in RPs, and I have no doubt that some dummy will cause this issue at some point. In every battle, at every second, every side tries to describe some heroic definitive victory move, a "checkmate" if you will, that causes their army to emerge victorious. This results in an incredibly childish back-and-forth and makes the game un-enjoyable. if you are losing due to decisions made earlier on, then for god's sake lose! Don't try to make up some bullcrap about a single unit of soldiers that manages to survive and win the day, that's not how real war works. Now, I'm not saying that occasionally, in certain circumstances, definitive heroics aren't allowed. If I catch anyone breaking this simple rule of integrity in a major way, there will be one warning, followed by out-the-door.

Meta-Gaming:
This is the last point I need to make. What is meta-gaming? Well, when the British start thinking about negotiating a takeover of Mexico, and suddenly Mexico boosts it's military numbers way up and is put on high alert, that's meta-gaming: because Mexico couldn't possibly know exactly what the British were thinking. This is unacceptable. Also, you must declare espionage before you commit it, (either on the OOC or IC) you can't just say that you committed espionage and knew the enemy's plans after you had decimated their entire army.
Last edited by Elepis on Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:19 am, edited 41 times in total.
"Krugmar - Today at 10:00 PM
Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
A: Nationalism
B: Religion being taken seriously
C: The Irish"

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Soviet Chernarus
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Postby Soviet Chernarus » Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:22 pm

Tag for interest :)
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Elepis
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Postby Elepis » Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:38 pm

Name of Nation: 2nd French Empire
Population: (the population of your nation estimate) 37 million
Population [Empire Total Estimate] (If you have an Empire): 10 million
Military Branches:
French Imperial Army
French Imperial Navy
Garde Mobile
Garde nationale (National Guard)
Country and Territories (Preferably a map):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/43/Second_French_Empire_%281852%E2%80%931870%29.png/1280px-Second_French_Empire_%281852%E2%80%931870%29.png
Head of State: Napoleon III
Head of Government: Napoleon III
Government Style: Liberal Monarchy
Primary Weapon (Rifle): Minié Muzzle loader
Secondary Weapon (Pistol or Knife): LeMat Revolver
Standard Artillery: Canon obusier de 12
Most powerful Naval Vessels: Couronne Ironclad
History (Optional):
On 2 December 1851 Louis-Napoléon Bonaparte, who had been elected President of the Republic, staged a coup d'état by dissolving the National Assembly without having the constitutional right to do so. He thus became sole ruler of France, and re-established universal suffrage, previously abolished by the Assembly. His decisions and the extension of his mandate for 10 years were popularly endorsed by a referendum later that month that attracted an implausible 92 percent support.

A new constitution was enacted in January 1852 which made Louis-Napoléon president for 10 years and concentrated virtually all governing power in his hands. However, he was not content with merely being an authoritarian president. Almost as soon as he signed the new document into law, he set about restoring the empire. In response to officially-inspired requests for the return of the empire, the Senate scheduled a second referendum in November, which passed with 97 percent support. As with the December 1851 referendum, most of the "yes" votes were manufactured out of thin air. The empire was formally re-established on 2 December 1852, and the Prince-President became "Napoléon III, Emperor of the French." The constitution concentrated so much power in his hands that the only substantive changes were to replace the word "president" with the word "emperor" and to make the post hereditary.
Napoleon III's joy was at its height in 1856, as the Crimean War resulted in a peace which excluded Russia from the Black Sea, and when his son Eugène Bonaparte was born, which promised a continuation of his dynasty.

In 1859, Napoleon led France to war with Austria over Italy. France was victorious, and gained Savoy and Nice, but the idea of Italian unification - based as it was on the exclusion of the temporal power of the popes - outraged French Catholics, who had been the leading supporters of the Empire. A keen Catholic opposition sprang up, voiced in Louis Veuillot's paper the Univers, and was not silenced even by the Syrian expedition (1860) in favour of the Catholic Maronite side of the Druze–Maronite conflict. On the other hand, the commercial treaty with the United Kingdom which was signed in January 1860, and which ratified the free trade policy of Richard Cobden and Michel Chevalier, had brought upon French industry the sudden shock of foreign competition. Thus both Catholics and protectionists discovered that authoritarian rule can be an excellent thing when it serves their ambitions or interests, but a bad one when exercised at their expense.

But Napoleon, in order to restore the prestige of the Empire before the newly awakened hostility of public opinion, tried to gain from the Left the support which he had lost from the Right. After the return from Italy the general amnesty of August 16, 1859 had marked the evolution of the absolutist or authoritarian empire towards the liberal, and later parliamentary empire, which was to last for ten years.
RP Sample:
429 (It helps to find apps)
"Krugmar - Today at 10:00 PM
Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
A: Nationalism
B: Religion being taken seriously
C: The Irish"

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Postby Elepis » Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:38 pm

Soviet Chernarus wrote:Tag for interest :)


thank you :)

This is my first time as OP so forgive me if I am a bit inexperienced
"Krugmar - Today at 10:00 PM
Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
A: Nationalism
B: Religion being taken seriously
C: The Irish"

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Soviet Chernarus
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Postby Soviet Chernarus » Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:40 pm

Elepis wrote:
Soviet Chernarus wrote:Tag for interest :)


thank you :)

This is my first time as OP so forgive me if I am a bit inexperienced

Is it possible if I can play as a fictional nation, as long as it doesn't interefere too much with the history of other nations?
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Postby Baja California y Sonora » Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:41 pm

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Elepis
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Postby Elepis » Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:42 pm

Soviet Chernarus wrote:
Elepis wrote:
thank you :)

This is my first time as OP so forgive me if I am a bit inexperienced

Is it possible if I can play as a fictional nation, as long as it doesn't interefere too much with the history of other nations?


If you are not a major power, I will allow it (UK, USA, Prussia, Russia, Spain, Mexico, China, Japan should stay the same)


PS you can make up any rebel or organization
"Krugmar - Today at 10:00 PM
Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
A: Nationalism
B: Religion being taken seriously
C: The Irish"

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Pimps Inc
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Postby Pimps Inc » Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:45 pm

Reserve Mex
Roleplay Information
2024: The Long Peace - United Mexican States


Risottia wrote:
United States of White America wrote:Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.


No way.

When we meet aliens from outer space, we'll yell:

We poison our air and water to weed out the weak!
We set off fission bombs in our only biosphere!
We nailed our god to a stick!
Don't fuck with the human race!

Kanye West 2024

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Elepis
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Postby Elepis » Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:47 pm

Pimps Inc wrote:Reserve Mex


OK :)
"Krugmar - Today at 10:00 PM
Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
A: Nationalism
B: Religion being taken seriously
C: The Irish"

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South Viet Cong
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Founded: Aug 14, 2013
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Postby South Viet Cong » Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:47 pm

Reserve Russian Empire

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Elepis
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Postby Elepis » Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:49 pm

South Viet Cong wrote:Reserve Russian Empire


yep :)
"Krugmar - Today at 10:00 PM
Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
A: Nationalism
B: Religion being taken seriously
C: The Irish"

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Elepis
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Founded: Jan 05, 2014
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Postby Elepis » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:05 pm

Note: I already have a couple of people in mind for Co-Op, because there is quite a bit on at work, they will be very important

PS, rules, I forgot to add rules

Timescale:
IC
4 pages=1 year
1 page = 1 season
Remember, this is not WW2, it takes time to move troops, even in summer it could take weeks to get troops from Paris to Spain. In some countries such as Russia, it could take months to move in winter or Rasputitsa (the thaw) when it get extremely muddy.
There will also be a conference thread where time will be in real time.

Waging War:
Any conflict that is started must be waged reasonably and realistically. This is - 1861, people! Troops are constantly hampered by the technological limitations of the day, which I will go into more detail about below:

Technology:
Understanding the limitations of your nation's technology is important. Make sure that you play according to that technology.

Know How to Lose:
This is the biggest problem I see in RPs, and I have no doubt that some dummy will cause this issue at some point. In every battle, at every second, every side tries to describe some heroic definitive victory move, a "checkmate" if you will, that causes their army to emerge victorious. This results in an incredibly childish back-and-forth and makes the game un-enjoyable. if you are losing due to decisions made earlier on, then for god's sake lose! Don't try to make up some bullcrap about a single unit of soldiers that manages to survive and win the day, that's not how real war works. Now, I'm not saying that occasionally, in certain circumstances, definitive heroics aren't allowed. If I catch anyone breaking this simple rule of integrity in a major way, there will be one warning, followed by out-the-door.


Meta-Gaming:
This is the last point I need to make. What is meta-gaming? Well, when the British start thinking about negotiating a takeover of Mexico, and suddenly Mexico boosts it's military numbers way up and is put on high alert, that's meta-gaming: because Mexico couldn't possibly know exactly what the British were thinking. This is unacceptable. Also, you must declare espionage before you commit it, (either on the OOC or IC) you can't just say that you committed espionage and knew the enemy's plans after you had decimated their entire army.
"Krugmar - Today at 10:00 PM
Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
A: Nationalism
B: Religion being taken seriously
C: The Irish"

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Elepis
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Founded: Jan 05, 2014
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Postby Elepis » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:07 pm

Another note: I am British so I will be asleep when any Americans are on :)
"Krugmar - Today at 10:00 PM
Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
A: Nationalism
B: Religion being taken seriously
C: The Irish"

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Soviet Chernarus
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Founded: Jul 19, 2014
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Postby Soviet Chernarus » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:10 pm

I want to do some sort of Chinese colony in the Americas, but I don't know how to execute this...there are so many possibilities.... :(
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Postby Zenoch » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:14 pm

Tag, reserve Prussia

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Pimps Inc
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Postby Pimps Inc » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:17 pm

Elepis wrote:Another note: I am British so I will be asleep when any Americans are on :)

I'm American.
San Diego,actually.
Roleplay Information
2024: The Long Peace - United Mexican States


Risottia wrote:
United States of White America wrote:Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.


No way.

When we meet aliens from outer space, we'll yell:

We poison our air and water to weed out the weak!
We set off fission bombs in our only biosphere!
We nailed our god to a stick!
Don't fuck with the human race!

Kanye West 2024

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Elepis
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Postby Elepis » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:21 pm

Soviet Chernarus wrote:I want to do some sort of Chinese colony in the Americas, but I don't know how to execute this...there are so many possibilities.... :(


well you have three options:

a European colony

a free S. American nation

OR (this is rather radical)

A Japanese (who opened up quicker than the Chinese and are currently opening up) colony is in the Ocean islands or the south of Patagonia near Argentina, nothing to big so no Japanese/Chinese Brazil or Peru
"Krugmar - Today at 10:00 PM
Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
A: Nationalism
B: Religion being taken seriously
C: The Irish"

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Elepis
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Postby Elepis » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:21 pm

Zenoch wrote:Tag, reserve Prussia


OK
"Krugmar - Today at 10:00 PM
Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
A: Nationalism
B: Religion being taken seriously
C: The Irish"

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Elepis
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Postby Elepis » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:23 pm

Pimps Inc wrote:
Elepis wrote:Another note: I am British so I will be asleep when any Americans are on :)

I'm American.
San Diego,actually.


Almost 8 hours behind me
"Krugmar - Today at 10:00 PM
Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
A: Nationalism
B: Religion being taken seriously
C: The Irish"

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Pimps Inc
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Founded: Jul 08, 2013
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Postby Pimps Inc » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:26 pm

Elepis wrote:
Pimps Inc wrote:I'm American.
San Diego,actually.


Almost 8 hours behind me

What's the time in where you at?
Roleplay Information
2024: The Long Peace - United Mexican States


Risottia wrote:
United States of White America wrote:Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.


No way.

When we meet aliens from outer space, we'll yell:

We poison our air and water to weed out the weak!
We set off fission bombs in our only biosphere!
We nailed our god to a stick!
Don't fuck with the human race!

Kanye West 2024

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Elepis
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Founded: Jan 05, 2014
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Postby Elepis » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:27 pm

Pimps Inc wrote:
Elepis wrote:
Almost 8 hours behind me

What's the time in where you at?


21: 27
"Krugmar - Today at 10:00 PM
Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
A: Nationalism
B: Religion being taken seriously
C: The Irish"

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Pimps Inc
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Founded: Jul 08, 2013
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Postby Pimps Inc » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:29 pm

Elepis wrote:
Pimps Inc wrote:What's the time in where you at?


21: 27

Ohhhh.
K then.
Roleplay Information
2024: The Long Peace - United Mexican States


Risottia wrote:
United States of White America wrote:Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.


No way.

When we meet aliens from outer space, we'll yell:

We poison our air and water to weed out the weak!
We set off fission bombs in our only biosphere!
We nailed our god to a stick!
Don't fuck with the human race!

Kanye West 2024

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Elepis
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Posts: 8963
Founded: Jan 05, 2014
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Postby Elepis » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:29 pm

Pimps Inc wrote:
Elepis wrote:
21: 27

Ohhhh.
K then.


what time is it in San Diego?
"Krugmar - Today at 10:00 PM
Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
A: Nationalism
B: Religion being taken seriously
C: The Irish"

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Asyir
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Founded: Oct 28, 2013
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Postby Asyir » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:29 pm

Tagged. May I reserve China?
Team Pelinal for life!

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Elepis
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Postby Elepis » Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:30 pm

Asyir wrote:Tagged. May I reserve China?


sure :)
Last edited by Elepis on Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.
"Krugmar - Today at 10:00 PM
Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
A: Nationalism
B: Religion being taken seriously
C: The Irish"

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