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Postby The NAR » Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:08 pm

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The NAR wrote:Exactly why what you're doing isn't realistic

Two things, Germany is constructing futuristic things like the Ho planes and the Vampir scopes, and Mexico uses old weapons like muskets and hand mortars!

Germany and American have the money and technology to do that.
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Postby Arvenia » Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:12 pm

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Arvenia wrote:Two things, Germany is constructing futuristic things like the Ho planes and the Vampir scopes, and Mexico uses old weapons like muskets and hand mortars!

Germany and American have the money and technology to do that.

Well, maybe Mexico tries to keep money and find gold like gold miners did during the Wild West! Plus, a Mexican-Argentinean alliance will be better off without Concord and USA.
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Postby Cabana » Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:13 pm

Arvenia wrote:
The NAR wrote:Exactly why what you're doing isn't realistic

Two things, Germany is constructing futuristic things like the Ho planes and the Vampir scopes, and Mexico uses old weapons like muskets and hand mortars!

The Ho-229 and the Vampyr scopes were both made at this time.
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Postby The NAR » Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:15 pm

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The NAR wrote:Germany and American have the money and technology to do that.

Well, maybe Mexico tries to keep money and find gold like gold miners did during the Wild West! Plus, a Mexican-Argentinean alliance will be better off without Concord and USA.

America is the greatest industrial power in the world, and creating the Atom Bomb was millions upon millions of dollars. Every jet, tank, and gun we make is money, and you don't have money. You keep focusing on the Military, and the people are being ignored. They will revolt
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Postby Spoopyvilla » Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:15 pm

Arvenia wrote:Well, maybe Mexico tries to keep money and find gold like gold miners did during the Wild West! Plus, a Mexican-Argentinean alliance will be better off without Concord and USA.


Woah there m8, hold up. Nothing is set in stone, seems like you're in a pickle. I prefer to have stronger nations as my allies.

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Postby Arvenia » Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:16 pm

Cabana wrote:
Arvenia wrote:Two things, Germany is constructing futuristic things like the Ho planes and the Vampir scopes, and Mexico uses old weapons like muskets and hand mortars!

The Ho-229 and the Vampyr scopes were both made at this time.

Wow! Those are just Sci-Fi! So realistic! I hope Mexico becomes strong after the 1940s.
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Postby Arvenia » Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:19 pm

Spoopyvilla wrote:
Arvenia wrote:Well, maybe Mexico tries to keep money and find gold like gold miners did during the Wild West! Plus, a Mexican-Argentinean alliance will be better off without Concord and USA.


Woah there m8, hold up. Nothing is set in stone, seems like you're in a pickle. I prefer to have stronger nations as my allies.

Good, Mexico abandons the US interest by prefering Argentinean interest! Also Filipino interest and African interest. Mexico will support the Indian and African independence struggle! Death to Colonialism! Plus, Mexico will abandon Feudalism in favor the Third Way.
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Postby Benian Republic » Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:30 pm

Since some people are godmodding... Can I god mod just one please? :meh:
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Postby The NAR » Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:30 pm

Benian Republic wrote:Since some people are godmodding... Can I god mod just one please? :meh:

Haha no
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Postby New Jordslag » Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:32 pm

Benian Republic wrote:Since some people are godmodding... Can I god mod just one please? :meh:

No. Don't follow their example.
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Postby Benian Republic » Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:32 pm

New Jordslag wrote:
Benian Republic wrote:Since some people are godmodding... Can I god mod just one please? :meh:

No. Don't follow their example.

but its not even something big its just going to speed something up.
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Postby Cabana » Thu Feb 12, 2015 2:43 pm

Arvenia wrote:
Cabana wrote:The Ho-229 and the Vampyr scopes were both made at this time.

Wow! Those are just Sci-Fi! So realistic! I hope Mexico becomes strong after the 1940s.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horten_Ho_229
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zielgerät_1229
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Postby The Dominion Of The Corn » Thu Feb 12, 2015 3:09 pm

The NAR wrote:Corn, the first stealth plane wasn't released until the 1980s. Dial it back

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horten_Ho_229
It doesn't have the stealth coating of the B-2 but its shape reduces its radar signature, making it hard to detect. It is, by 1945 standards, a stealth aircraft.
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Postby The Dominion Of The Corn » Thu Feb 12, 2015 3:11 pm

The NAR wrote:
Arvenia wrote:Two things, Germany is constructing futuristic things like the Ho planes and the Vampir scopes, and Mexico uses old weapons like muskets and hand mortars!

Germany and American have the money and technology to do that.

^Exactly. Nations aren't equal, some are more powerful than others. And in that regard, Mexico got the shitty end of the stick.
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Postby The Dominion Of The Corn » Thu Feb 12, 2015 3:13 pm

Arvenia wrote:
Cabana wrote:The Ho-229 and the Vampyr scopes were both made at this time.

Wow! Those are just Sci-Fi! So realistic! I hope Mexico becomes strong after the 1940s.

They were both real things. I'm sticking to plausible weapons and tech. The thing is, German tech was just so damn good that it looks futuristic but it actually existed.
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Postby The Dominion Of The Corn » Thu Feb 12, 2015 3:16 pm

I just checked the IC. Arvenia, that's all completely unrealistic. Leopard tanks don't exist yet, Mexico has 0 capability to make ballistic missiles, and ballistic missile submarines are far in the future. The plane is just utterly ridiculous in every aspect.
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Postby Benian Republic » Thu Feb 12, 2015 6:38 pm

Can I make a gun, called the potato launcher that fires small anthrax bombs?
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Postby Sternberg » Thu Feb 12, 2015 7:44 pm

A slight note on the Ho 229 - and as an on-off amateur reader of history, a personal minor niggle:

As far as I can tell, there is no conclusive evidence that this "flying wing" fighter was deliberately designed as a "stealth" fighter. The flying wing design that was chosen primarily is an aerodynamics design, focusing on increasing maneuverability and reducing drag, at the cost of reduced fixed armament (only two 20mm cannon standard) and a requirement for a somewhat "stripped down" fighter of the times.

While modern day tests have concluded that the design and materials used would have reduced the 229's signature against Britain's Chain Home system (by 30% at best), other radar systems would have been able to detect the fighter easily. If this was meant to be a stealth-orientated design from the start, then logically the construction and design would have reflected that from the start.
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Postby The Dominion Of The Corn » Thu Feb 12, 2015 8:19 pm

Sternberg wrote:A slight note on the Ho 229 - and as an on-off amateur reader of history, a personal minor niggle:

As far as I can tell, there is no conclusive evidence that this "flying wing" fighter was deliberately designed as a "stealth" fighter. The flying wing design that was chosen primarily is an aerodynamics design, focusing on increasing maneuverability and reducing drag, at the cost of reduced fixed armament (only two 20mm cannon standard) and a requirement for a somewhat "stripped down" fighter of the times.

While modern day tests have concluded that the design and materials used would have reduced the 229's signature against Britain's Chain Home system (by 30% at best), other radar systems would have been able to detect the fighter easily. If this was meant to be a stealth-orientated design from the start, then logically the construction and design would have reflected that from the start.

I never actually actually labeled it as a stealth fighter, I called it a "fast, silinet, and deadly killer." And about the British radar it would have reduced its signature by 37%, making it not invisible but harder to detect. In terms of armament, the cannons were 30mm, not 20. You are correct that the flying wing design was for aerodynamic purposes, as less surfaces meant less drag. However, this also made for a smaller radar cross section, and then add in the fact that Reimar Horten mixed charcoal dust into the coating, and it is somewhat stealthy. Nowhere near a B-2, obviously, but stealthy enough to look like a smaller aircraft; an Ho 229 would not look like a bomber on radar. I'm also planning on using the plane as a bomber rather than a fighter, as the main intent is for it to be able to deliver either a nuclear device or precision bombings using a modified version of the Fritz X guided bomb.
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Postby The Dominion Of The Corn » Thu Feb 12, 2015 8:24 pm

Benian Republic wrote:Can I make a gun, called the potato launcher that fires small anthrax bombs?

:rofl:
No

And NAR, why don't you develop your own assault rifle? The AK was not even designed until 1945, and events changed dramatically before then. Develop some sort of rifle, even identical to the real life AK-47, but make it completely designed and produced in America.
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Postby Sternberg » Thu Feb 12, 2015 8:29 pm

Fair enough on all accounts, Corn. Just making a minor, inconsequential note.
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Postby New Besancon » Thu Feb 12, 2015 8:32 pm

Just saying, if anyone is planing on producing anything from Rockets to jet fighters, it takes years for the approval, editing the design, countless tests and trials, working out it's productions, and then finally approving it for mass production. You can't just say, oh hey, look at this cool plane I got. Also, we'll have a bunch of these soon.

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Postby The NAR » Thu Feb 12, 2015 8:44 pm

The Dominion Of The Corn wrote:
Benian Republic wrote:Can I make a gun, called the potato launcher that fires small anthrax bombs?

:rofl:
No

And NAR, why don't you develop your own assault rifle? The AK was not even designed until 1945, and events changed dramatically before then. Develop some sort of rifle, even identical to the real life AK-47, but make it completely designed and produced in America.


Buddy, I got this. The AK schematics were very early on, and will only be used a guidelines for an American Assault Rifle
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Postby The Dominion Of The Corn » Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:09 pm

New Besancon wrote:Just saying, if anyone is planing on producing anything from Rockets to jet fighters, it takes years for the approval, editing the design, countless tests and trials, working out it's productions, and then finally approving it for mass production. You can't just say, oh hey, look at this cool plane I got. Also, we'll have a bunch of these soon.

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Nobody's been doing that except Arvenia.
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