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Where do you want the next installment to be set? You can choose two.

Poll ended at Fri Mar 13, 2015 6:55 pm

Omaha Nebraska
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Saint Louis Missouri
1
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Hawaiian Islands
3
20%
Portland Oregon
2
13%
Southern Florida
2
13%
Detroit Michigan
5
33%
Charlotte North Carolina
2
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Total votes : 15

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Postby Azaflaza » Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:50 pm

@Elerian I still need you to respond to my search at the bridge. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to find someone or not.

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Postby SaintB » Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:01 pm

Been sick today, I'm diabetic and it caused my blood sugar to plummet to about 40, I might have to go to the ER so if I'm not around at all today after this everyone knows why.
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Postby Elerian » Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:06 pm

SaintB wrote:Been sick today, I'm diabetic and it caused my blood sugar to plummet to about 40, I might have to go to the ER so if I'm not around at all today after this everyone knows why.


Ouch, I'm sorry to hear that.

Azaflaza wrote:@Elerian I still need you to respond to my search at the bridge. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to find someone or not.


Well, would you rather have someone come out and meet you or do you wanna just go and do stuff on your own? By the by, you weren't around when I said this, but you probably won't be able to complete the job alone.
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Postby Galter Gulcher » Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:18 pm

Sorry about my abscence recently, been studying for finals and all.

I will be full time by Thursday though.
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Postby Azaflaza » Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:49 pm

Elerian wrote:
SaintB wrote:Been sick today, I'm diabetic and it caused my blood sugar to plummet to about 40, I might have to go to the ER so if I'm not around at all today after this everyone knows why.


Ouch, I'm sorry to hear that.

Azaflaza wrote:@Elerian I still need you to respond to my search at the bridge. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to find someone or not.


Well, would you rather have someone come out and meet you or do you wanna just go and do stuff on your own? By the by, you weren't around when I said this, but you probably won't be able to complete the job alone.

Well I'm not sure how im supposed to progress with the case since I don't know what direction you want it to go. I don't know if you already have an idea in mind of who the killer is or not. I intend to join forces with someone but I'm not sure if there is anyone else looking for the killer who wants to team up with me. So ultimately it's up to you if you want me to make up the story as I go along or if you want to guide me in the right direction you want.

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Postby Transoxthraxia » Tue Jan 20, 2015 4:08 pm

Elerian wrote:Three things, if he's completely anti-social then how could he convince a hundred or so people to follow him? It may not be very hard to convince a handful of bandits, but scores of other people seems beyond him.


Psychopaths and Sociopaths can't legitimately relate to people and prefer to be on their own, but there are several instances of psychopaths convincing scores of people to do completely outrageous things, such as the Jonestown Massacres, and to a lesser extent, the actions of the Manson Family. While the latter of the two examples that I gave was a much smaller operation, you also must consider a number of things about the environment that is Fallout. In a modern, civilized society such as our own, we don't consider psychopaths to be fit to live with most of us. What's different about Fallout is that there are few, if any proper ways to deal with psychopaths. And while psychopathy may be partially genetic, it is mainly imbued, not inherited, during childhood situations. In the apocalypse, I think it would be safe to assume that children, what few there are, wouldn't be growing up in the most pristine of social and mental conditions. This would most likely translate into a higher proportion of psychopaths in the general populace, and since many psychopaths, while anti-social, also crave partnership with other psychopaths, finding a large community of people who have similar or the same condition would provide a great deal of incentive to stay in said community.

Elerian wrote:Secondly, I'd like a more definite position for their fort. They'd likely need to make it somewhere with pre-existing infrastructure for them to be able to make that many buildings. Or they'd need a nearby quarry to haul the stone needed to make the buildings. But also, if they were very close to Providence, then they'd likely have been purged a long time ago. Providence doesn't really tolerate bandits or raiders living anywhere near them.


No problem. I was kind of imaging them as a sort of Viet Cong operation where they'd strike and then disappear again before any proper reaction was organized. I'll move them out into a more remote location, perhaps centered around an abandoned quarry. Does that sound good?


Elerian wrote:And lastly, what kind of weaponry do your soldiers have?


They're no Enclave. They don't have access to the know-how or the technology to effectively wield power armour and the more powerful, big weapons. Think of them as up-gunned bandits and raiders, more dangerous because they have a competent leader and a strict organizational hierarchy. Despite the main mission of the Comes, they're quite disciplined in the creation of chaos. Those who retreat from battle before the order is given are shot on the spot, not too dissimilar from the Commissar System in World War Two. Incentives, organization, discipline, and tactics are what make the Comes dangerous, not necessarily the fact that they swing the biggest stick, in fact, most of the high-ups in the organization frown upon the use of too much technology to wage warfare, instead choosing mobility and stealth over the big guns.

That being said, they're not exactly armed with pea shooters either. They tend to be armed with Hunting Rifles, 9mm SMGs, and the officers generally tend to carry with them Assault Rifles.
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Postby Elerian » Tue Jan 20, 2015 4:23 pm

Azaflaza wrote:
Elerian wrote:
Ouch, I'm sorry to hear that.



Well, would you rather have someone come out and meet you or do you wanna just go and do stuff on your own? By the by, you weren't around when I said this, but you probably won't be able to complete the job alone.

Well I'm not sure how im supposed to progress with the case since I don't know what direction you want it to go. I don't know if you already have an idea in mind of who the killer is or not. I intend to join forces with someone but I'm not sure if there is anyone else looking for the killer who wants to team up with me. So ultimately it's up to you if you want me to make up the story as I go along or if you want to guide me in the right direction you want.

Mkay, sorry, I'll put up a post soon.

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Postby Tayner » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:58 pm

How many posts would it take to arrive at the Nightshade base?
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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:07 pm

Tayner wrote:How many posts would it take to arrive at the Nightshade base?

Couple hours, maybe, although there's such a thing as time-skips, mate. Nobody wants to read about a character walking, and walking, and walking, and walking for hours on end; that would get incredibly dull incredibly fast. Nothing wrong with skipping something nobody wants to read about.

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Postby Tayner » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:09 pm

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:
Tayner wrote:How many posts would it take to arrive at the Nightshade base?

Couple hours, maybe, although there's such a thing as time-skips, mate. Nobody wants to read about a character walking, and walking, and walking, and walking for hours on end; that would get incredibly dull incredibly fast. Nothing wrong with skipping something nobody wants to read about.


Well I was thinking, I don't want to be a few hours ahead of SaintB and them.
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Postby Kazarogkai » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:31 pm

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:
SaintB wrote:You are vastly overestimating the strength of one man in power armor and a dozen mercenaries compared to about 1,000 armed angry thugs. You are NOT a GOD.

I'm going to take it you haven't been thoroughly reading my IC posts; I rather clearly said that my character would be hiring quite a few more mercenaries, since when I originally posted the idea, the OP hadn't said anything about the town populations, and considering the low population towns characteristic of Fallout, I assumed the population wouldn't number more than a couple hundred at most. In any case, if you really think gangs are that tough, allow me to list the reasons why a town of petty gangs wouldn't be anywhere near as strong as you assume.

1: A lack of unified leadership, something which Elerian mentioned. Without proper leadership, the town would be nothing more than a bunch of rivaling gangs and criminal groups, most likely too busy fighting each other to forge a united front against an attacking force. The fact that President Richardson died along with the rest of the Enclave leadership when the Poseidon Energy Rig blew up was a big contributor to why the Enclave fell from their powerful status, which should be a good example of the effects a lack of good leadership would have.

2: A lack of good equipment. Gangs and raiders aren't exactly known for being well armed, or armored, or well funded for that matter. I find it highly doubtful they would have any particularly powerful weapons or armor.

3: A lack of discipline. Untrained, drug addicted raiders and gangsters aren't particularly likely to do a good job following orders from their various gang leaders, and would probably just rush blindly into combat and get themselves killed. Undisciplined troops without a proper battle plan are the reason why the French lost control of Quebec to the British.

4: Cowardice, and a lack of loyalty. Do you honestly think most of the people in the city would give a fuck about what happens to everyone else? Like I said in point one, the city would almost certainly be divided between numerous rival gangs and raider groups, who would probably be frequently involved in shootouts against each other. Most gangs would probably refuse to come to the aid of their rivals, and even if they did care about the rest of the town, I doubt petty gangsters would be brave or disciplined enough to put their own lives on the line to help somebody else out.

The most powerful gang in Fallout would be the Great Khans, and we all know what happened to them. Criminals aren't difficult to take out.


Similar problems will apply to you when you take over, you really think you can administer and police a city full of gangs and crooks and criminals? there is a reason my guy has so many support troops for he plans on using them as the basis of a bureaucracy just to administer any lands he takes over. Mind you I only took over a small relatively isolated bandit village of what was probably no more than 200-250 and suffered 53 KIA in the battle, and my troops are probably better than what you are packing in being composed of battle hardened former mercenaries, adventurers, and volunteers led by a very intelligent man(more intelligent than yours anyways) with years worth of preparation and resources gathered at his disposal.
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Postby Virenna » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:55 pm

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:
SaintB wrote:You are vastly overestimating the strength of one man in power armor and a dozen mercenaries compared to about 1,000 armed angry thugs. You are NOT a GOD.

I'm going to take it you haven't been thoroughly reading my IC posts; I rather clearly said that my character would be hiring quite a few more mercenaries, since when I originally posted the idea, the OP hadn't said anything about the town populations, and considering the low population towns characteristic of Fallout, I assumed the population wouldn't number more than a couple hundred at most. In any case, if you really think gangs are that tough, allow me to list the reasons why a town of petty gangs wouldn't be anywhere near as strong as you assume.

1: A lack of unified leadership, something which Elerian mentioned. Without proper leadership, the town would be nothing more than a bunch of rivaling gangs and criminal groups, most likely too busy fighting each other to forge a united front against an attacking force. The fact that President Richardson died along with the rest of the Enclave leadership when the Poseidon Energy Rig blew up was a big contributor to why the Enclave fell from their powerful status, which should be a good example of the effects a lack of good leadership would have.

2: A lack of good equipment. Gangs and raiders aren't exactly known for being well armed, or armored, or well funded for that matter. I find it highly doubtful they would have any particularly powerful weapons or armor.

3: A lack of discipline. Untrained, drug addicted raiders and gangsters aren't particularly likely to do a good job following orders from their various gang leaders, and would probably just rush blindly into combat and get themselves killed. Undisciplined troops without a proper battle plan are the reason why the French lost control of Quebec to the British.

4: Cowardice, and a lack of loyalty. Do you honestly think most of the people in the city would give a fuck about what happens to everyone else? Like I said in point one, the city would almost certainly be divided between numerous rival gangs and raider groups, who would probably be frequently involved in shootouts against each other. Most gangs would probably refuse to come to the aid of their rivals, and even if they did care about the rest of the town, I doubt petty gangsters would be brave or disciplined enough to put their own lives on the line to help somebody else out.

The most powerful gang in Fallout would be the Great Khans, and we all know what happened to them. Criminals aren't difficult to take out.


1. While the entire city as a whole may not have united leadership, within each turf you've got strong, charismatic leaders ruling each gang. Each separate territory is going to come with its own host of challenges and it all likeliness you're gonna end up just another gang/faction out of many in Morgan City-fighting block by block, wearing you down fast, especially with disloyal mercs from the Louisiana area who know how much of a shithole Vendetta is and won't see the point of sticking around.

2. Actually, business within each turf, including drugs, slavery, and the like, can serve as a strong fund source for each gang of the city, and so while they may not have Enclave gear, they're not as poor off as you're making them out to be.

3. You have to understand you're still going to be attacking a fortified sections of a city the locals know like the back of their hand and who are used to struggling to survive everyday- each person in Vendetta is gonna be one clever SOB because there's a reason they've survived so long within this hellhole. Also, random historical examples from completely different eras carry no weight to your argument.

4. Gangs are going to be loyal to their leaders and their own because these gangs are their only sense of security-look up gang mentality/culture and you'll find these people are going to be quite willing to die for the group that has kept them alive so far. If you really want Morgan City, you're going to have to play the faction game like Gideon has, and that's going to take a lot of time considering you have very little assets and no support base compared to these gangs that have been operating here for years. You're honestly better off founding a new settlement.
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Postby SaintB » Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:31 pm

Of course I don't get back before Pal and Onti go...
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Postby Zevretin » Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:49 pm

Apologies, I don't believe I will be taking part in this RP after all. Thank you anyways!

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Postby SaintB » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:33 pm

Slow day?
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Postby Neo-Chicago » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:34 pm

SaintB wrote:Slow day?

I don't know about the rest, but I'm waiting for Elerian.
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Postby Transoxthraxia » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:37 pm

Neo-Chicago wrote:
SaintB wrote:Slow day?

I don't know about the rest, but I'm waiting for Elerian.

^
Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search for our better selves?
In Egypt's sandy silence, all alone,
Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws
The only shadow that the Desert knows:—
"I am great OZYMANDIAS," saith the stone,
"The King of Kings; this mighty City shows
"The wonders of my hand." The City's gone,
Nought but the Leg remaining to disclose
The site of this forgotten Babylon.

We wonder, and some Hunter may express
Wonder like ours, when thro' the wilderness
Where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace,
He meets some fragment huge, and stops to guess
What powerful but unrecorded race
Once dwelt in that annihilated place.
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Postby SaintB » Wed Jan 21, 2015 2:50 pm

Transoxthraxia wrote:
Neo-Chicago wrote:I don't know about the rest, but I'm waiting for Elerian.

^

I don't know everything he has planned so I can't fill in, sorry.
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Postby Transoxthraxia » Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:08 pm

SaintB wrote:
Transoxthraxia wrote:^

I don't know everything he has planned so I can't fill in, sorry.

I just haven't been accepted.
Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search for our better selves?
In Egypt's sandy silence, all alone,
Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws
The only shadow that the Desert knows:—
"I am great OZYMANDIAS," saith the stone,
"The King of Kings; this mighty City shows
"The wonders of my hand." The City's gone,
Nought but the Leg remaining to disclose
The site of this forgotten Babylon.

We wonder, and some Hunter may express
Wonder like ours, when thro' the wilderness
Where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace,
He meets some fragment huge, and stops to guess
What powerful but unrecorded race
Once dwelt in that annihilated place.
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Postby Kazarogkai » Wed Jan 21, 2015 3:47 pm

Got out early will post soon.
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Transoxthraxia wrote:
SaintB wrote:I don't know everything he has planned so I can't fill in, sorry.

I just haven't been accepted.

I'll take as look at what he has said and check you app.
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Postby SaintB » Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:05 pm

Transoxthraxia wrote:
SaintB wrote:I don't know everything he has planned so I can't fill in, sorry.

I just haven't been accepted.

Edit your app to make those changes you discussed with Elerian and add the kind of weapons and stuff that your men usually carry with maybe a bit more variety since these are mostly all scavenged either as an edit or a repost and I think you'll be good.

Now I need to go cook and eat dinner.
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Postby Ontorisa » Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:06 pm

SaintB wrote:
Transoxthraxia wrote:I just haven't been accepted.

Edit your app to make those changes you discussed with Elerian and add the kind of weapons and stuff that your men usually carry with maybe a bit more variety since these are mostly all scavenged either as an edit or a repost and I think you'll be good.

Now I need to go cook and eat dinner.


Mail me some.

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Postby SaintB » Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:22 pm

Ontorisa wrote:
SaintB wrote:Edit your app to make those changes you discussed with Elerian and add the kind of weapons and stuff that your men usually carry with maybe a bit more variety since these are mostly all scavenged either as an edit or a repost and I think you'll be good.

Now I need to go cook and eat dinner.


Mail me some.

If you'll pay shipping I'll send you some, I won't mind lol. I've been roasting a three pound beef shoulder cut since 11am using a cheap and easy recipe.
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Postby Ontorisa » Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:40 pm

SaintB wrote:
Ontorisa wrote:
Mail me some.

If you'll pay shipping I'll send you some, I won't mind lol. I've been roasting a three pound beef shoulder cut since 11am using a cheap and easy recipe.


TG me some.

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