2nd Annual Best of P2TM Awards (Voting Thread)

[Nationstatelandsville]

Maybe they could be rolled into one general character category with posts as backing?

There was really just a lack of nominations.

^This.

I would have voted had I known any of the characters.

And it's a pity, because I really think individual bits of writing and ideas ought to be recognized; but I don't know if, necessarily, awards are the right method.

I don't think these awards are, in general, a terribly effective system - but that's a quibble for another day.

[Isle of Lithonia]

And it's a pity, because I really think individual bits of writing and ideas ought to be recognized; but I don't know if, necessarily, awards are the right method.

I don't think these awards are, in general, a terribly effective system - but that's a quibble for another day.

Dunno.

As for the awards being even a good system, they at the very least work as bragging rights. But still, I think it could give both authors and RPs more legitimacy if they win an award, at least among certain RPers.

[The Templar High Council]

Darn. Ended up losing Most Involved to Esty.

Granted, he has been areound/done more than I. So I feel glad to be nominated.

[Isle of Lithonia]

Darn. Ended up losing Most Involved to Esty.

Granted, he has been areound/done more than I. So I feel glad to be nominated.

If I counted properly (my brain is fucked right now, so I don't know), Nat-not-Spi and I are tied for best Other Fantasy RPer. Either that or he won by a point.

God, I need a Rockstar...

Anyway, TKaG did pretty well, all things considered. I am quite pleased.

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

I got nominated in one catagory, and got two (?) votes for one of my RPs. I'm satisfied

[Nationstatelandsville]

Darn. Ended up losing Most Involved to Esty.

Granted, he has been areound/done more than I. So I feel glad to be nominated.

If I counted properly (my brain is fucked right now, so I don't know), Nat-not-Spi and I are tied for best Other Fantasy RPer. Either that or he won by a point.

God, I need a Rockstar...

Anyway, TKaG did pretty well, all things considered. I am quite pleased.

I'm counting us tied at 4, with Skaldia pulling up just behind with 3.

[Nature-Spirits]

^This.

I would have voted had I known any of the characters.

And it's a pity, because I really think individual bits of writing and ideas ought to be recognized; but I don't know if, necessarily, awards are the right method.

I don't think these awards are, in general, a terribly effective system - but that's a quibble for another day.

Regarding recognising high quality posts: I think that maybe the Exceptional Posts thread is good enough. There really weren't enough nominations in either the post or character categories to really make those awards completely valid, IMO. I would vote to have the character and post categories pulled in the next edition.

I also agree that the awards aren't very effective; a general lack of advertising (though I wouldn't say that the blame for that falls on anyone; there aren't many good ways to advertise in this forum, which complicates the entire matter) combined with the (related) fact that not a lot of people submitted nominations nor votes means that it wasn't really representative of the entire community. It's mostly been people who've been around here for a while and/or are at least somewhat involved in P2TM affairs who were nominated and voted; I doubt a lot of people in other circles are even aware that these awards exist. Granted, the people who've been here longer/are a bit more involved in the community tend to be better RPers overall (though I'm certain that there are exceptions to this rule), but it would be nice to see more people coming out to vote.

But you're right; this isn't necessarily the time nor the place to deal with that issue. It should be addressed, though.

[Nationstatelandsville]

Another thought; while I recognize that the Lifetime Achievement and Most Involved Awards carry different connotations, there seems to be a not-insignificant overlap between their realms and subsequently confusion in the votes - to the extent that I think harms the competition. So I propose we just rule them together next time.

[Rob Halfordia]

Darn. Ended up losing Most Involved to Esty.

Granted, he has been areound/done more than I. So I feel glad to be nominated.

If I counted properly (my brain is fucked right now, so I don't know), Nat-not-Spi and I are tied for best Other Fantasy RPer. Either that or he won by a point.

God, I need a Rockstar...

Anyway, TKaG did pretty well, all things considered. I am quite pleased.

Like, the energy drink? Gross...

[G-Tech Corporation]

If I counted properly (my brain is fucked right now, so I don't know), Nat-not-Spi and I are tied for best Other Fantasy RPer. Either that or he won by a point.

God, I need a Rockstar...

Anyway, TKaG did pretty well, all things considered. I am quite pleased.

I'm counting us tied at 4, with Skaldia pulling up just behind with 3.

Can you say runoff?

[Esternial]

One thing I can already tell you all is this: I seriously doubt that the individual character and post categories will be returning in the next edition of these awards.

Once I have spare time I'll be working on something that may complement that. You can decide next year whether to keep those categories depending on how that fares.

Another thought; while I recognize that the Lifetime Achievement and Most Involved Awards carry different connotations, there seems to be a not-insignificant overlap between their realms and subsequently confusion in the votes - to the extent that I think harms the competition. So I propose we just rule them together next time.

I think "lifetime achievement" is a fairly ambiguous category, hailing from the NSG Poster's awards. I personally don't see a need for the category, but that's just my own take on it.

[Nationstatelandsville]

I'm counting us tied at 4, with Skaldia pulling up just behind with 3.

Can you say runoff?

I was thinking "trial by combat", but I'm fine with either.

Or just a tie; I think that's how we called these things last year.

One thing I can already tell you all is this: I seriously doubt that the individual character and post categories will be returning in the next edition of these awards.

Once I have spare time I'll be working on something that may complement that. You can decide next year whether to keep those categories depending on how that fares.

Another thought; while I recognize that the Lifetime Achievement and Most Involved Awards carry different connotations, there seems to be a not-insignificant overlap between their realms and subsequently confusion in the votes - to the extent that I think harms the competition. So I propose we just rule them together next time.

I think "lifetime achievement" is a fairly ambiguous category, hailing from the NSG Poster's awards. I personally don't see a need for the category, but that's just my own take on it.

Just looking at it, though; really, votes seemed to fluctuate between you and Khan for the most part in either category, and it seems to me that no one could decide who got which - which divides the votes for you two in either, and might, where the consensus meant to award one to both, grant both to one.

But that's just what I got from comparing the first page to my own vote.

[Isle of Lithonia]

I was thinking "trial by combat", but I'm fine with either.

Or just a tie; I think that's how we called these things last year.

I'd say just tie it. I'm rather loathe to hold another vote, since I doubt most people would actually take the time to throw in their votes again, making it even less representative the next time. But that's just my opinion.

Like, the energy drink? Gross...

I could say it is better to drink that then get wasted on beer or pot... But that would be rude.

Regarding recognising high quality posts: I think that maybe the Exceptional Posts thread is good enough. There really weren't enough nominations in either the post or character categories to really make those awards completely valid, IMO. I would vote to have the character and post categories pulled in the next edition.

I also agree that the awards aren't very effective; a general lack of advertising (though I wouldn't say that the blame for that falls on anyone; there aren't many good ways to advertise in this forum, which complicates the entire matter) combined with the (related) fact that not a lot of people submitted nominations nor votes means that it wasn't really representative of the entire community. It's mostly been people who've been around here for a while and/or are at least somewhat involved in P2TM affairs who were nominated and voted; I doubt a lot of people in other circles are even aware that these awards exist. Granted, the people who've been here longer/are a bit more involved in the community tend to be better RPers overall (though I'm certain that there are exceptions to this rule), but it would be nice to see more people coming out to vote.

But you're right; this isn't necessarily the time nor the place to deal with that issue. It should be addressed, though.

I agree we should pull the Character and Post categories. Unless you actually were a part of those specific RPs, most people won't have any clue as to how they should vote. Like Nat said, the Exceptional Posts thread is good enough for now.

It is also difficult to advertise the awards. However, even if we did advertise better, I doubt many people would still vote. As Nat pointed out, its really only those who are actually involved in P2TM that take the time to vote, and most people just aren't willing to get involved. So, if you want to boost voting, then we should try and boost involvement in P2TM affairs. But how we can do that is beyond my tired mind at this point.

[Nature-Spirits]

I think "lifetime achievement" is a fairly ambiguous category, hailing from the NSG Poster's awards. I personally don't see a need for the category, but that's just my own take on it.

Just looking at it, though; really, votes seemed to fluctuate between you and Khan for the most part in either category, and it seems to me that no one could decide who got which - which divides the votes for you two in either, and might, where the consensus meant to award one to both, grant both to one.

But that's just what I got from comparing the first page to my own vote.

No, I got the same impression. I think that the two awards could be folded into one.

I was thinking "trial by combat", but I'm fine with either.

Or just a tie; I think that's how we called these things last year.

I'd say just tie it. I'm rather loathe to hold another vote, since I doubt most people would actually take the time to throw in their votes again, making it even less representative the next time. But that's just my opinion.

I think that a tie would be the best solution.

Regarding recognising high quality posts: I think that maybe the Exceptional Posts thread is good enough. There really weren't enough nominations in either the post or character categories to really make those awards completely valid, IMO. I would vote to have the character and post categories pulled in the next edition.

I also agree that the awards aren't very effective; a general lack of advertising (though I wouldn't say that the blame for that falls on anyone; there aren't many good ways to advertise in this forum, which complicates the entire matter) combined with the (related) fact that not a lot of people submitted nominations nor votes means that it wasn't really representative of the entire community. It's mostly been people who've been around here for a while and/or are at least somewhat involved in P2TM affairs who were nominated and voted; I doubt a lot of people in other circles are even aware that these awards exist. Granted, the people who've been here longer/are a bit more involved in the community tend to be better RPers overall (though I'm certain that there are exceptions to this rule), but it would be nice to see more people coming out to vote.

But you're right; this isn't necessarily the time nor the place to deal with that issue. It should be addressed, though.

I agree we should pull the Character and Post categories. Unless you actually were a part of those specific RPs, most people won't have any clue as to how they should vote. Like Nat said, the Exceptional Posts thread is good enough for now.

It is also difficult to advertise the awards. However, even if we did advertise better, I doubt many people would still vote. As Nat pointed out, its really only those who are actually involved in P2TM that take the time to vote, and most people just aren't willing to get involved. So, if you want to boost voting, then we should try and boost involvement in P2TM affairs. But how we can do that is beyond my tired mind at this point.

You mean me, not other Nat, right?

Whatever the case, I agree that the number of people voting would likely increase if more people got involved in P2TM. Larger community involvement may also help those seeking to improve their RPing skills to do so, as they would likely be exposed to better quality RPing if they knew more people.

Speaking of which, I hope that the planning for the training RP is going well. That's not the topic of this thread, though, so I'll stop here.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Heh, yeah, the training RP. We can talk about that in the Cafe, but long story short, there just wasn't interest.

[Nature-Spirits]

Heh, yeah, the training RP. We can talk about that in the Cafe, but long story short, there just wasn't interest.

That's too bad. If the project were to be revived at some point, though, I'd be more than willing to help out.

[Astrolinium]

One thing I can already tell you all is this: I seriously doubt that the individual character and post categories will be returning in the next edition of these awards.

Once I have spare time I'll be working on something that may complement that. You can decide next year whether to keep those categories depending on how that fares.

Another thought; while I recognize that the Lifetime Achievement and Most Involved Awards carry different connotations, there seems to be a not-insignificant overlap between their realms and subsequently confusion in the votes - to the extent that I think harms the competition. So I propose we just rule them together next time.

I think "lifetime achievement" is a fairly ambiguous category, hailing from the NSG Poster's awards. I personally don't see a need for the category, but that's just my own take on it.

The idea is that Lifetime Achievement is an award that becomes more effective in, say, five years from now, when there's maybe a desire to recognize someone who contributed a lot to the way the forum is at that time but isn't necessarily involved at a large level anymore, whereas Most Involved would be given to someone who did a lot for the forum in that specific year. Also, assuming that I'm running them again -- which is an assumption I'm working under as a general rule -- once someone has won a Lifetime Achievement Award, they would be disqualified from winning it again.

[Alleniana]

I recall there was a similar-ish sort of sentiment last time round, as well. The post and character sections aren't really ever going to get what's needed, since there's just too many possible nominees spread out too far.

(also, the character section is biased towards RPs with characters, but that's just me )

For advertising, I'd go so far as it say it's the insularity of this community. The people who frequent the Cafe and the Restaurant are a fairly small minority of the forum (which is to be expected) but it's not simply those who want to get involved; it has its own community, really not representative of the whole of the P2TM. I mean, it's a great thing going on there, but it's not nearly properly representative of the entire forum, for one reason or another; going onto any of the RP group threads scattered around makes it quite clear. It's necessary to get the thread beyond an audience of those who hang around the Stickies.

For Lifetime vs Most Involved, yeah, I feel as if it is indeed mostly because the P2TM has barely been old enough to see 2 awards threads. While I'm not sure about making Lifetime only winnable once, I think it's a good idea to keep them for future awards, even if the overlap was significant this time around.

[The Republic of Atria]

I recall there was a similar-ish sort of sentiment last time round, as well. The post and character sections aren't really ever going to get what's needed, since there's just too many possible nominees spread out too far.

(also, the character section is biased towards RPs with characters, but that's just me )

For advertising, I'd go so far as it say it's the insularity of this community. The people who frequent the Cafe and the Restaurant are a fairly small minority of the forum (which is to be expected) but it's not simply those who want to get involved; it has its own community, really not representative of the whole of the P2TM. I mean, it's a great thing going on there, but it's not nearly properly representative of the entire forum, for one reason or another; going onto any of the RP group threads scattered around makes it quite clear. It's necessary to get the thread beyond an audience of those who hang around the Stickies.

For Lifetime vs Most Involved, yeah, I feel as if it is indeed mostly because the P2TM has barely been old enough to see 2 awards threads. While I'm not sure about making Lifetime only winnable once, I think it's a good idea to keep them for future awards, even if the overlap was significant this time around.

Considering 3 out of the 4 choices for characters are all from the same RP, even though it's my RP, I'm inclined to agree.

[Astrolinium]

The votes have officially been tallied; I will make up the awards post(s) tonight and post it/them tomorrow.

[Alleniana]

The votes have officially been tallied; I will make up the awards post(s) tonight and post it/them tomorrow.

tha suspens

By tomorrow, you would mean by EST, right?

[Astrolinium]

The votes have officially been tallied; I will make up the awards post(s) tonight and post it/them tomorrow.

tha suspens

By tomorrow, you would mean by EST, right?

Yes, but it's not happening at midnight. It'll likely be firmly tomorrow in most places when I do post.

[Nationstatelandsville]

Once I have spare time I'll be working on something that may complement that. You can decide next year whether to keep those categories depending on how that fares.


I think "lifetime achievement" is a fairly ambiguous category, hailing from the NSG Poster's awards. I personally don't see a need for the category, but that's just my own take on it.

The idea is that Lifetime Achievement is an award that becomes more effective in, say, five years from now, when there's maybe a desire to recognize someone who contributed a lot to the way the forum is at that time but isn't necessarily involved at a large level anymore, whereas Most Involved would be given to someone who did a lot for the forum in that specific year. Also, assuming that I'm running them again -- which is an assumption I'm working under as a general rule -- once someone has won a Lifetime Achievement Award, they would be disqualified from winning it again.

It makes more sense, then, to introduce them five years from now.

[Escalan Corps-Star Island]

The idea is that Lifetime Achievement is an award that becomes more effective in, say, five years from now, when there's maybe a desire to recognize someone who contributed a lot to the way the forum is at that time but isn't necessarily involved at a large level anymore, whereas Most Involved would be given to someone who did a lot for the forum in that specific year. Also, assuming that I'm running them again -- which is an assumption I'm working under as a general rule -- once someone has won a Lifetime Achievement Award, they would be disqualified from winning it again.

It makes more sense, then, to introduce them five years from now.

By which point the recipients are old and decrepit. . .

[Nationstatelandsville]

It makes more sense, then, to introduce them five years from now.

By which point the recipients are old and decrepit. . .

To be fair, Khan started that way and Esty is Belgian - it's only a matter of time before the concentrated waffle overloads his heart.