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Postby Bujahla » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:22 pm

Senkaku wrote:Leftover Japanese?


Tbh if there were the Mongols would have invaded Hokkaido centuries ago. I thought I implied all the Japanese aristocracy not loyal to the invaders got wiped out (including the entire imperial family), but whatever. A mini-Japan would be kinda cool- it's like Ye Olde Versionne of Taiwan. :p


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Postby Valentir » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:23 pm

So EP, Megiko is part of the Dutch Commonwealth, right? Also, how did you gain independence?

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Greater Mid West
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Postby Greater Mid West » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:23 pm

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The Jonathanian States
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:24 pm

Valentir wrote:
The Jonathanian States wrote:Of course. Are there Germans in Arlon and Luxembourg, just asking?

Da, there are, and they are equal members of the Kingdom.

We need to bring down France and Britain!

Equal members of the Kingdom? Sounds about right. Just don't do stupid stuff and I won't do much the frysk either and we can all get along.

Sounds about right.
Neo-Assyrian Empire wrote:
Valentir wrote:Da, there are, and they are equal members of the Kingdom.

We need to bring down France and Britain!

I thought we were friends... ;~;

It's okay, though. I'll just pull a reverse Schlieffen Plan if you and Germany try to invade Francia

Because we all know how well that worked, right? Of all plans you had to reverse Schlieffen was the one....
But seriously, don't try that. Germany has also fortified much of the northern part of its western border since the Napoleonic wars.
Valentir wrote:
Neo-Assyrian Empire wrote:I thought we were friends... ;~;

It's okay, though. I'll just pull a reverse Schlieffen Plan if you and Germany try to invade Francia

Wat? When?

Pfft, just try it.

This, I suppose. Except don't, I don't want to be forced to annex any buguettes.
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Neo-Assyrian Empire wrote:I thought we were friends... ;~;

It's okay, though. I'll just pull a reverse Schlieffen Plan if you and Germany try to invade Francia

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Mid west, the name was Silberien, I think.

Also, has something been done with egypt?
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Postby Carathon » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:25 pm

Caltarania wrote:
Carathon wrote:
A Romano-Hellenic Egypt ruled by the Ptolemys with ridiculously large regnal numbers. Maybe reformed hellenic-pagan, but perhaps that would be a-bit too unrealistic?


Probably so. I find it doubtful that the Ptolemys would be able to withstand a Roman attack, which would most likely come regardless of Caesar's death. Also, Christianity is almost as potent as Islam, so you'd most likely have a majority of the citizenry being non-Hellenic religions.


Oh, I agree. Which is why the Ptolemys throw their lot in with Mark Antony, fail and is annexed historically. The only difference being that Augustus spares the life of Caesarion, who Tiberius allows to become a Cilent King in Egypt in-exchange for their full support. Egypt breaks free of Byzantium around 600 A.D or so, and by the skin of their teeth, halts the Muslims at the Sinai choke-point.

If that makes sense.
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Epraria
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Postby Epraria » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:28 pm

Valentir wrote:So EP, Megiko is part of the Dutch Commonwealth, right? Also, how did you gain independence?

Well depends on how the Dutch commonwealth is. Is it like the dominions and britain? The current history is that the rebels take advantage if the chaos of the revolution in the Netherlands to gain independence by taking control of all the major cities and taking out the garisons.
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HorusLand wrote:How's the revolution going?



I will not pay my taxes this year :p

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Postby Valentir » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:29 pm

Epraria wrote:
Valentir wrote:So EP, Megiko is part of the Dutch Commonwealth, right? Also, how did you gain independence?

Well depends on how the Dutch commonwealth is. Is it like the dominions and britain? The current history is that the rebels take advantage if the chaos of the revolution in the Netherlands to gain independence by taking control of all the major cities and taking out the garisons.

Pretty much.

That would work.

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Postby Caltarania » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:30 pm

Carathon wrote:
Caltarania wrote:
Probably so. I find it doubtful that the Ptolemys would be able to withstand a Roman attack, which would most likely come regardless of Caesar's death. Also, Christianity is almost as potent as Islam, so you'd most likely have a majority of the citizenry being non-Hellenic religions.


Oh, I agree. Which is why the Ptolemys throw their lot in with Mark Antony, fail and is annexed historically. The only difference being that Augustus spares the life of Caesarion, who Tiberius allows to become a Cilent King in Egypt in-exchange for their full support. Egypt breaks free of Byzantium around 600 A.D or so, and by the skin of their teeth, halts the Muslims at the Sinai choke-point.

If that makes sense.


I guess so. It seems fine with me, so long as you acknowledge the large Muslim and Christian minorities.
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Epraria
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Postby Epraria » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:31 pm

Valentir wrote:
Epraria wrote:Well depends on how the Dutch commonwealth is. Is it like the dominions and britain? The current history is that the rebels take advantage if the chaos of the revolution in the Netherlands to gain independence by taking control of all the major cities and taking out the garisons.

Pretty much.

That would work.

Well It could work if Megiko is by all means essentially independent but still died somewhat to the Netherlands if we want a Dutch commonwealth.
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HorusLand wrote:How's the revolution going?



I will not pay my taxes this year :p

After all, I recieved a letter from the City of Warsaw recognizing me as an indepedent apartment.


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Caltarania
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Postby Caltarania » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:32 pm

Epraria wrote:
Valentir wrote:Pretty much.

That would work.

Well It could work if Megiko is by all means essentially independent but still died somewhat to the Netherlands if we want a Dutch commonwealth.


This made me realized just how much this world doesn't have a Lingua Franca.

It really could be anything: Dutch, French, English, Portuguese, German. Fuck, it could be Mongolian.

I think it'd be Latin, still?
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Postby Liecthenbourg » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:32 pm

Caltarania wrote:
Epraria wrote:Well It could work if Megiko is by all means essentially independent but still died somewhat to the Netherlands if we want a Dutch commonwealth.


This made me realized just how much this world doesn't have a Lingua Franca.

It really could be anything: Dutch, French, English, Portuguese, German. Fuck, it could be Mongolian.

I think it'd be Latin, still?

I nominate, and with no biased reason at all intended, it be French. :P
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Postby Baja California y Sonora » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:32 pm

Greater Mid West wrote:Application

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Postby Valentir » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:33 pm

Epraria wrote:
Valentir wrote:Pretty much.

That would work.

Well It could work if Megiko is by all means essentially independent but still died somewhat to the Netherlands if we want a Dutch commonwealth.

Your independent, entirely, from the Government of the Kingdom. The Commonwealth is for Dominions and allied nations that share a common history with the Dutch.

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The Emerald Dragon
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Postby The Emerald Dragon » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:33 pm

Could I reserve, Italy, Greece and Cyprus?

(If not, going back to Ryukyus)

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Greater Mid West
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Postby Greater Mid West » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:34 pm

Baja California y Sonora wrote:
Greater Mid West wrote:Application

Name: Argentina (Looking for German name in the other thread)
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Yes, German dominion

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Postby Caltarania » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:34 pm

The Emerald Dragon wrote:Could I reserve, Italy, Greece and Cyprus?

(If not, going back to Ryukyus)


Seems like a large reservation in Europe, and I am like 97% sure someone expressed interest in Greece.
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Postby Lunas Legion » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:34 pm

Caltarania wrote:
Carathon wrote:
Oh, I agree. Which is why the Ptolemys throw their lot in with Mark Antony, fail and is annexed historically. The only difference being that Augustus spares the life of Caesarion, who Tiberius allows to become a Cilent King in Egypt in-exchange for their full support. Egypt breaks free of Byzantium around 600 A.D or so, and by the skin of their teeth, halts the Muslims at the Sinai choke-point.

If that makes sense.


I guess so. It seems fine with me, so long as you acknowledge the large Muslim and Christian minorities.


Also explains how the Crusader States survived, given that the Egyptian Sultanate was historically the main reason for their destruction. No Egyptian sultanate, much more successful crusades, bigger crusader states.

Also means there'd probably be Copts inside the Crusader states. Urgh. Too many religions.
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Postby Lunas Legion » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:35 pm

Caltarania wrote:
The Emerald Dragon wrote:Could I reserve, Italy, Greece and Cyprus?

(If not, going back to Ryukyus)


Seems like a large reservation in Europe, and I am like 97% sure someone expressed interest in Greece.


I'm still deciding between Greece and Crusader States.
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Postby The Jonathanian States » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:35 pm

Application

Name: Deutsches Reich; Literally German Realm, in anglophone popular usage: German Empire
Symbols: Semi-Official Anthem; Coat of Arms, Great; Coat of Arms, Minor; I'm still unsure of Flag
Claims: these. I checked it with the accepted apps so it shouldn't conflict with anything that has been accepted as of me making that map, but if it does, it should be moveable (I would move my claim, that is).
Power: Germany stronkest contry; Great Power, that is. Relatively minor in its international soft power(compared to what one may expect from its hard power, that is), but that is gradually changing as international awareness of their hard power develops.

Government Structure: In short, semi-constitutional Federal Monarchy. The Empire is comprised of basically two fuckloads of substates which manage their own laws and concerns except for Foreign Affairs, Defense,and Finances. Those states are monarchies of various extents of constitutionality or republics. In addition there is a federal bicamerical legislative - the Reichstag. The lower house, the Reichstag proper, which is located in the famed building in Berlin, is elected by universal franchise of German citizens, regardless of Gender or wealth, assuming they are older than 18 years. The Reichstag proper is the body that will first debate and create laws and has to be the first to pass them. The Reichstag can disband itself or be disbanded by the Emperor and Chancellor. The Bundesrat, the upper house, consists of representatives of all federal entities of the German Empire with the amount of seats given them determined by the amount of population relative to the total population of the empire. Unlike the members of the Reichstag proper the members of the Bundesrat are not elected but rather appointed by the governments of each of those states, regardless of whether those have been elected or not.
The federal executive is the Chancellor (and the cabinet appointed by him) who is appointed by the Emperor.
In addition the Emperor has certain special powers, such as appointing and removing both the executive and legislative (being able to disband the Reichstag (either until the next elections or for undetermined time in case of nation-wide martial law).
Ideology/Policy: Imperialism, socially centric (relative to time), economically center-left/paternalistic, politically conservative-centric. I'm not too sure what else to put here. Monarchism maybe? Colonialism, I suppose. some Realpolitik, some Weltpolitik.
Leaders: Chancellor Otto superawesome von Bismarck and Emperor Willy the first.
Capital City: Berlin

Population: Home-population: 45,234,100 + 2,330,600 + 759,600 + 163,600 + 1,213,600 + 647,900 + 912,500 + 5,560,800 + 2,153,400 + 565,500 = 19,541,600
Imperial Population.... erm, Gabon doesn't exist on Populstat, neither does Sierra Leone, it seems. Madagaskar doesn't seem to have any before the 1990's.
Primary Ethnic Group: German. Prussian and Holsteinian, Lorrainian and Austrian, Sudetic and Rheinlander, German of any form.
Minority Ethnic Groups: Polish, Lithuanian, French, Frisian, Danish, Slovenian, Czech(Bohemian and Moravian), Ashkenazi Jewish. The native populations of the colonies.
Description of Ethnicity: German. Germans are generally considered quite disciplined, orderly, and exact, though they themselves consider it normal and instead apply that stereotype to their southern neighbors in the mountains. German culture can't be quite described unitarily considering that it isn't unitary. The low germans of Prussia and the hanseatics follow different customs than their catholic brothers in Graz and Bavaria.
Language: German
Religion: Protestant and Catholic mainly, with Jewish and orthodox minorities in the mainland and the colonies being home to believers of Islam and native "paganism".

Foreign Relations: Currently the empire attempts, following Bismarck's ideology of Realpolitik, to pacify/threaten its neighbors, and holds the high priority of always keeping either France or Russia at bay - in order to prevent the command's fear of a two-front war, even though plans for such an instance are in development - just in case. They will act first and foremost for their own interest, and thereafter with seemingly random actions, carefully weighting who would benefit from what, and sometimes intervening or mediating, but in some occasions just sitting by and watching. How they react? erm... varying, I suppose, depending on how specifically germany acted. In general, I suppose, they dislike how it acts but see the realism in it and consider them a sort of perfidious Albion on the continent, or something.
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Economic Policy: Best summed up as a mixed economy, somewhat similar to modern ordoliberalism. This means it does tend somewhat towards protectionism rather than free trade. And while it was a welfare system considered unique, at least as one of its scale, it does incentivize innovativeness and subsistence.
Economic Situation: Quite well. Trade is excellent and the industry is churning.
Infrastructure: 8/8 m8 The lines of steel cross throughout the nation, and everywhere you will find roads as expected of a proper civilized country. There are multiple significant ports such as Hamburg, Stettin, Danzig, Lübeck, and Bremerhaven.
Imports & Exports: The Empire imports many raw resources required for its industries. It exports industrial goods, machinery, weapons and the like. Also coal and steel, to an extent.
Currency: The [German] Mark. Stronkest currency in the world. Peg to it now and receive extra denbts for free if you are Polan, Greece, or Portugal

History: tbd
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Baja California y Sonora wrote:
Greater Mid West wrote:Application

Name: Argentina (Looking for German name in the other thread)

Are you a German Dominion?

pretty sure that yes.
Liecthenbourg wrote:
Caltarania wrote:
This made me realized just how much this world doesn't have a Lingua Franca.

It really could be anything: Dutch, French, English, Portuguese, German. Fuck, it could be Mongolian.

I think it'd be Latin, still?

I nominate, and with no biased reason at all intended, it be French. :P

I nominate german without any bias. At all. Honest.
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Postby Epraria » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:35 pm

GMw wasn't it Silberien you choose as the name
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I will not pay my taxes this year :p

After all, I recieved a letter from the City of Warsaw recognizing me as an indepedent apartment.


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The Holy Dominion of Inesea
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:35 pm

Carathon wrote:
Caltarania wrote:
Probably so. I find it doubtful that the Ptolemys would be able to withstand a Roman attack, which would most likely come regardless of Caesar's death. Also, Christianity is almost as potent as Islam, so you'd most likely have a majority of the citizenry being non-Hellenic religions.


Oh, I agree. Which is why the Ptolemys throw their lot in with Mark Antony, fail and is annexed historically. The only difference being that Augustus spares the life of Caesarion, who Tiberius allows to become a Cilent King in Egypt in-exchange for their full support. Egypt breaks free of Byzantium around 600 A.D or so, and by the skin of their teeth, halts the Muslims at the Sinai choke-point.

If that makes sense.

Unfortunately, that denies Africa Islam. And the Rise did happen. Sooooo.
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Baja California y Sonora
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Postby Baja California y Sonora » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:36 pm

Greater Mid West wrote:
Baja California y Sonora wrote:Are you a German Dominion?
Yes, German dominion

So does Germany control you in any way or ?

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Postby Valentir » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:37 pm

Dafuq.

The map is kinda wrong. I should own Ceylon and shouldn't own the Philippines.

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Postby Liecthenbourg » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:37 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
Caltarania wrote:
Seems like a large reservation in Europe, and I am like 97% sure someone expressed interest in Greece.


I'm still deciding between Greece and Crusader States.

Crusader States seems more interesting, tbh.
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Postby Lunas Legion » Wed Dec 17, 2014 3:37 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:
Carathon wrote:
Oh, I agree. Which is why the Ptolemys throw their lot in with Mark Antony, fail and is annexed historically. The only difference being that Augustus spares the life of Caesarion, who Tiberius allows to become a Cilent King in Egypt in-exchange for their full support. Egypt breaks free of Byzantium around 600 A.D or so, and by the skin of their teeth, halts the Muslims at the Sinai choke-point.

If that makes sense.

Unfortunately, that denies Africa Islam. And the Rise did happen. Sooooo.


They probably followed a different route; over the Gulf of Aden, across Ethopia into West Africa, then up across the Sahara into N.Africa and eventually Spain.
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