Lord of the Rings: Naught but Ashes [OOC/Open/LOTR RP]

[G-Tech Corporation]

Hmm, a few things.

1) IIRC, gunpowder was never used at Helm's Deep. In this canon the forces there were much smaller, and easily overrun by the forces of Saruman.

2) It doesn't seem that there was a difference made between Uruks and Uruk-Hai of Saruman by Tolkien,

3) Saruman isn't (yet, or necessarily ever) a traitor in the eyes of Sauron, so having him strung up for associating with Saruman's symbols doesn't really make sense.

Perhaps after he was passed over in favor of one of his rivals, Lagurz simply deserted with a portion of the forces that were loyal to him?

1. I'll edit that to broken.

2. I don't think there is a functional difference but there is a cultural rivalry between the Isengard and Mordor Uruks. I was going by things read in the IC and in another App (Delsola's) I just figured Uruk-hai (which would be Orc-men translated from black speech) was a way that Isengard Uruks differentiated themselves.

3. I never meant for that to be actual. Just the reasoning used by Naga and the other Mordor Uruks to justify stringing up Lagûrz. Basically the reason is because screw Isengard, but there is also Delsola's faction The Legion of the White Hand that is sort of in defiance of Sauron's orders too. I can try to write that more clearly?

3. Hmm, still, that's not the sort of logic that would mean the Uruks superiors would allow them to execute another commander. The Legion isn't in open rebellion iirc, just they will be if they ever get posted. As it stands, the Uruks of Isengard are well integrated into Sauron's army, so I'm just not entirely sure where the "screw Isengard" vibe comes from. They were successful allies in the war after all.

Also, to those who are running Good: is anyone planning to oppose my forces in northern Eriadoe? There's a host nearing the Trollshaws, so I figure I should check if anyone is planning to post before I actively send forces near Imladris.

[The Starlight]

1. I'll edit that to broken.

2. I don't think there is a functional difference but there is a cultural rivalry between the Isengard and Mordor Uruks. I was going by things read in the IC and in another App (Delsola's) I just figured Uruk-hai (which would be Orc-men translated from black speech) was a way that Isengard Uruks differentiated themselves.

3. I never meant for that to be actual. Just the reasoning used by Naga and the other Mordor Uruks to justify stringing up Lagûrz. Basically the reason is because screw Isengard, but there is also Delsola's faction The Legion of the White Hand that is sort of in defiance of Sauron's orders too. I can try to write that more clearly?

3. Hmm, still, that's not the sort of logic that would mean the Uruks superiors would allow them to execute another commander. The Legion isn't in open rebellion iirc, just they will be if they ever get posted. As it stands, the Uruks of Isengard are well integrated into Sauron's army, so I'm just not entirely sure where the "screw Isengard" vibe comes from. They were successful allies in the war after all.

Also, to those who are running Good: is anyone planning to oppose my forces in northern Eriadoe? There's a host nearing the Trollshaws, so I figure I should check if anyone is planning to post before I actively send forces near Imladris.

On the map is where my territory is. I believe I have some forces in the Trollshaws, it's all in the archive.

[G-Tech Corporation]

3. Hmm, still, that's not the sort of logic that would mean the Uruks superiors would allow them to execute another commander. The Legion isn't in open rebellion iirc, just they will be if they ever get posted. As it stands, the Uruks of Isengard are well integrated into Sauron's army, so I'm just not entirely sure where the "screw Isengard" vibe comes from. They were successful allies in the war after all.

Also, to those who are running Good: is anyone planning to oppose my forces in northern Eriadoe? There's a host nearing the Trollshaws, so I figure I should check if anyone is planning to post before I actively send forces near Imladris.

On the map is where my territory is. I believe I have some forces in the Trollshaws, it's all in the archive.

Ah, I see. My main question was if you'll be riding out in any form to meet me; I can start attacking your holdings, but it'd be unfair to occupy regions and routes without giving you the chance to react.

[The Starlight]

On the map is where my territory is. I believe I have some forces in the Trollshaws, it's all in the archive.

Ah, I see. My main question was if you'll be riding out in any form to meet me; I can start attacking your holdings, but it'd be unfair to occupy regions and routes without giving you the chance to react.

Once I know of you, and your relative strength, Elrond will probably send a party out to destroy you.

[The black lands of Mordor]

The Witch King of Angmar has returned. Or at least he will tomorrow. Did everyone have a good Christmas?

[Escalan Corps-Star Island]

The Witch King of Angmar has returned. Or at least he will tomorrow. Did everyone have a good Christmas?

'Twas more merry than not, which is definitely a good thing.

[The Intergalactic Russian Empire]

The Witch King of Angmar has returned. Or at least he will tomorrow. Did everyone have a good Christmas?

'Twas a good day, my friend.

[The Starlight]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=325062&view=unread#unread
Go vote!

[G-Tech Corporation]

Anyone I need to respond to?

[SaintB]

1. I'll edit that to broken.

2. I don't think there is a functional difference but there is a cultural rivalry between the Isengard and Mordor Uruks. I was going by things read in the IC and in another App (Delsola's) I just figured Uruk-hai (which would be Orc-men translated from black speech) was a way that Isengard Uruks differentiated themselves.

3. I never meant for that to be actual. Just the reasoning used by Naga and the other Mordor Uruks to justify stringing up Lagûrz. Basically the reason is because screw Isengard, but there is also Delsola's faction The Legion of the White Hand that is sort of in defiance of Sauron's orders too. I can try to write that more clearly?

3. Hmm, still, that's not the sort of logic that would mean the Uruks superiors would allow them to execute another commander. The Legion isn't in open rebellion iirc, just they will be if they ever get posted. As it stands, the Uruks of Isengard are well integrated into Sauron's army, so I'm just not entirely sure where the "screw Isengard" vibe comes from. They were successful allies in the war after all.

Who are the uruk's superiors though really, Saruman, the Nine Wraiths, the Voice of Sauron, a couple other supernatural creatures none of which are omnipotent, and other uruks. I don't see why it would be improbable for the warchiefs and generals from Mordor to go "Yeah, just, fuck that guy." and have him executed as a traitor and not get away with it - but I'll change it so that he's just strung up to be humiliated for a while if you think that's better.

[SaintB]

Edits made.

[G-Tech Corporation]

3. Hmm, still, that's not the sort of logic that would mean the Uruks superiors would allow them to execute another commander. The Legion isn't in open rebellion iirc, just they will be if they ever get posted. As it stands, the Uruks of Isengard are well integrated into Sauron's army, so I'm just not entirely sure where the "screw Isengard" vibe comes from. They were successful allies in the war after all.

Who are the uruk's superiors though really, Saruman, the Nine Wraiths, the Voice of Sauron, a couple other supernatural creatures none of which are omnipotent, and other uruks. I don't see why it would be improbable for the warchiefs and generals from Mordor to go "Yeah, just, fuck that guy." and have him executed as a traitor and not get away with it - but I'll change it so that he's just strung up to be humiliated for a while if you think that's better.

Well, in the chain of command, probably a different Uruk would be his commander. Every general has some commanders, every commander his captains, etc. and if this Uruk character has proved himself in battle, the other Uruks smart enough to be generals wouldn't want to waste a good warrior on something that seems like a trumped up charge. I mean, you can post what you want as long as Starlight accepts it, but that's just what I'm seeing.

[Elerian]

Anyone I need to respond to?

I'll have a post up for the Dead Marshes soon, then you can respond to it.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Anyone I need to respond to?

I'll have a post up for the Dead Marshes soon, then you can respond to it.

Cool stuff.

[Liecthenbourg]

Post is up.

[The black lands of Mordor]

I think I will post tomorrow.

[The Intergalactic Russian Empire]

Guys, I just noticed how in during the Council of Elrond in the Fellowship of the Ring, when Boromir says "One does not simply walk into Mordor." Gandalf gives this look that says "ugh, Not this again."

[SaintB]

Sooo about my app?

[The Starlight]

Sooo about my app?

Sorry, I'll look at it now.

[The Starlight]

Character App-
Character name: Lagûrz the Wolf.
Race: Uruk
Appearance: Lagûrz is one of the remaining original 10,000 Uruk-hai bred by Saruman and as such he stands at a height on par with most men and has a heavy powerful upper body. His skin once a dark ebony color has lightened some over the years to a dark grey as he matured more. Lagûrz grows no hair, preferring to shave it off rather than put it into the top knot or dreadlocks of many other orcs and uruks. He has a prominent (for an uruk) nose with large nostrils his eyes are yellow and oval shaped and the shape of his face makes them appear slanted backward. His mouth is only slightly larger than a man's or elf's would be and of course filled with the pointed fang like teeth of all goblinkind and while crooked and yellowed he has so far been thankfully free of the tooth rot and festering ulcers of so many other of his ilk.
History: One of the first of 10,000 Uruk-hai transformed from lesser orc stock by Saruman using fell magics not practiced since Morgoth walked the realms in mortal form Lagûrz was stronger, more cunning, and better trained than the ones that followed afterward; his epitaph 'The Wolf' was earned when it was discovered he could detect the presence of men through smell alone. Like many of the peers ofLurtz, Uglúk, and Lugdush his greater skill and intellect made him a natural fit for leadership in the legions of Isengard and Lagûrz proved himself at Helm's Deep by leading his uruks through the breach cracked into the wall where he personally took half a dozen slaves and killed at least ten men, cementing his captaincy and the fear/respect of his subordinates.
He eventually gained a place in the warg cavalry where he spent the majority of his service to Isengard and Mordor and was the architect of many raids and ambushes perpetrated on the remainder of the Rohinan. When Saruman's legions were diverted elsewhere by order of the Black Hand Lagûrz's unit was also split off to remain in Rohan and made subordinate to one of the lesser uruks from Mordor (a fact that he despised) and soon found himself falling in favor despite his continued habit of scoring victories in the the name of Sauron all because of his 'impure' lineage. In reaction to this Lagûrz showed his dissatisfaction by readopting the White Hand standard of Isengard for his unit and refusing to recruit from the Black Uruks even to where he found he had to begin picking from the lesser orc and goblin stock to keep his numbers up, he also kept his promotions exclusively within the ranks of his own Isengard bread-kin.
Most recently a poisoned wound killed the warchief Skrithûrz the Knife and Lagûrz ceased it as an opportunity to bring back a measure of respect and deference he felt was deserved to him. Over the course of weeks Lagûrz and many other captains of the orc hordes vied for power through various machinations and duels in a bid to be declared the successor of the fallen general. Though it was an uphill battle for him Lagûrz had very nearly attained the coveted place in the command structure of the armies of Sauron when his chief rival, Naga the Shadow, came up with the brilliant ploy of using The Wolf's use of Insengard symbols to convince enough others that Lagûrz was all but a traitor to Sauron along with the rest of Sarumon's legions.
Lagûrz was not just defeated, he was stripped of his rank and his chest was branded with the Eye of Sauron then tied with metal wire to a pole where he is humiliated daily in full view of Naga's camp - this is where his story begins.
Alignment: Himself
Goals: To get revenge and to gain the respect and power he believes is his.
Other:
How active will you be?: Moderate to very.
Did you read everything?: Most of it.
RP sample: viewtopic.php?p=21211134#p21211134
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Accepted!

[SaintB]

Character App-
Character name: Lagûrz the Wolf.
Race: Uruk
Appearance: Lagûrz is one of the remaining original 10,000 Uruk-hai bred by Saruman and as such he stands at a height on par with most men and has a heavy powerful upper body. His skin once a dark ebony color has lightened some over the years to a dark grey as he matured more. Lagûrz grows no hair, preferring to shave it off rather than put it into the top knot or dreadlocks of many other orcs and uruks. He has a prominent (for an uruk) nose with large nostrils his eyes are yellow and oval shaped and the shape of his face makes them appear slanted backward. His mouth is only slightly larger than a man's or elf's would be and of course filled with the pointed fang like teeth of all goblinkind and while crooked and yellowed he has so far been thankfully free of the tooth rot and festering ulcers of so many other of his ilk.
History: One of the first of 10,000 Uruk-hai transformed from lesser orc stock by Saruman using fell magics not practiced since Morgoth walked the realms in mortal form Lagûrz was stronger, more cunning, and better trained than the ones that followed afterward; his epitaph 'The Wolf' was earned when it was discovered he could detect the presence of men through smell alone. Like many of the peers ofLurtz, Uglúk, and Lugdush his greater skill and intellect made him a natural fit for leadership in the legions of Isengard and Lagûrz proved himself at Helm's Deep by leading his uruks through the breach cracked into the wall where he personally took half a dozen slaves and killed at least ten men, cementing his captaincy and the fear/respect of his subordinates.
He eventually gained a place in the warg cavalry where he spent the majority of his service to Isengard and Mordor and was the architect of many raids and ambushes perpetrated on the remainder of the Rohinan. When Saruman's legions were diverted elsewhere by order of the Black Hand Lagûrz's unit was also split off to remain in Rohan and made subordinate to one of the lesser uruks from Mordor (a fact that he despised) and soon found himself falling in favor despite his continued habit of scoring victories in the the name of Sauron all because of his 'impure' lineage. In reaction to this Lagûrz showed his dissatisfaction by readopting the White Hand standard of Isengard for his unit and refusing to recruit from the Black Uruks even to where he found he had to begin picking from the lesser orc and goblin stock to keep his numbers up, he also kept his promotions exclusively within the ranks of his own Isengard bread-kin.
Most recently a poisoned wound killed the warchief Skrithûrz the Knife and Lagûrz ceased it as an opportunity to bring back a measure of respect and deference he felt was deserved to him. Over the course of weeks Lagûrz and many other captains of the orc hordes vied for power through various machinations and duels in a bid to be declared the successor of the fallen general. Though it was an uphill battle for him Lagûrz had very nearly attained the coveted place in the command structure of the armies of Sauron when his chief rival, Naga the Shadow, came up with the brilliant ploy of using The Wolf's use of Insengard symbols to convince enough others that Lagûrz was all but a traitor to Sauron along with the rest of Sarumon's legions.
Lagûrz was not just defeated, he was stripped of his rank and his chest was branded with the Eye of Sauron then tied with metal wire to a pole where he is humiliated daily in full view of Naga's camp - this is where his story begins.
Alignment: Himself
Goals: To get revenge and to gain the respect and power he believes is his.
Other:
How active will you be?: Moderate to very.
Did you read everything?: Most of it.
RP sample: viewtopic.php?p=21211134#p21211134
3018- Do not remove, this is for finding apps

Accepted!

Awesome, thanks. I'll head into the IC as soon as possible.

[SaintB]

And posted. I like to open into an RP with long ones...

[G-Tech Corporation]

Hmm, kinda waiting on Starlight and Elerian to post. Any hope there?

[The Starlight]

Hmm, kinda waiting on Starlight and Elerian to post. Any hope there?

Woops, I'll see what I have to respond to.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Hmm, kinda waiting on Starlight and Elerian to post. Any hope there?

Woops, I'll see what I have to respond to.

You have the siege of Ost-in-Edhil and Miron, from my standpoint.