Lord of the Rings: Naught but Ashes [OOC/Open/LOTR RP]

[The Starlight]

Hey Starlight, I have three questions. One: Could Afrren be half-elf, half-Numerean?
Two: Would it be possible for Galadriel to have another child? I was thinking that Galadriel could be Afrren's Grandmother.
Three: If the second question doesn't work, would anyone have brought any attendants to the White Council?

1. One or the other, being both would basically make Afrren be like Elrond. He's already a descendant of Numenor by being one of the Dunedain you know.
2. No.
3. No, I don't think so, but it depends. For the wizards, definitely not, along with Galadriel. Perhaps Elrond, but that would probably be Glorfindel, though, the golden haired elf would probably be part of the White Council himself.

[The Starlight]

Ah, Starlight, I meant for the lineage of the Dark Elf to be something suspected by the Eldar, but not known to any save the House itself.

Ok then, I'll edit, thanks.

[The Starlight]

So my post is mostly complete, just need a section on the army of Erebor. (This is the post I reserved, by the way: Here )
Feel free to post in response whenever, Star.

Sure, will do.

[Osnil]

Hey Starlight, I have three questions. One: Could Afrren be half-elf, half-Numerean?
Two: Would it be possible for Galadriel to have another child? I was thinking that Galadriel could be Afrren's Grandmother.
Three: If the second question doesn't work, would anyone have brought any attendants to the White Council?

1. One or the other, being both would basically make Afrren be like Elrond. He's already a descendant of Numenor by being one of the Dunedain you know.
2. No.
3. No, I don't think so, but it depends. For the wizards, definitely not, along with Galadriel. Perhaps Elrond, but that would probably be Glorfindel, though, the golden haired elf would probably be part of the White Council himself.

Then would it be included in Elrond's Lore room?

[The Starlight]

1. One or the other, being both would basically make Afrren be like Elrond. He's already a descendant of Numenor by being one of the Dunedain you know.
2. No.
3. No, I don't think so, but it depends. For the wizards, definitely not, along with Galadriel. Perhaps Elrond, but that would probably be Glorfindel, though, the golden haired elf would probably be part of the White Council himself.

Then would it be included in Elrond's Lore room?

Yes it would, but it wouldn't be hanging on a wall or out in the open. Besides, no random dude can walk into the lore room of Elrond and start looking around.

[Liecthenbourg]

I'll aim to post soon Star, but it may come tomorrow.
Any word on damages to the wall from the catapults though?

[The Starlight]

I'll aim to post soon Star, but it may come tomorrow.
Any word on damages to the wall from the catapults though?

Woops, I'll edit.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Hmm, how tall and thick is the wall at Ost-in-Edhil? It has only been occupied for less than five years, no?

[The Starlight]

Hmm, how tall and thick is the wall at Ost-in-Edhil? It has only been occupied for less than five years, no?

*Shrug*

[G-Tech Corporation]

Hmm, how tall and thick is the wall at Ost-in-Edhil? It has only been occupied for less than five years, no?

*Shrug*

Ahaha, so we're talking more of a perimeter wall and stockade than the Deeping Wall. Good to know.

[Elerian]

Eh! G what chu doin?

I thought I was attacking the Causeway fort?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Eh! G what chu doin?

I thought I was attacking the Causeway fort?

I figured it would make sense if the Orcs sent a scouting party to confirm what the 'spies' said, provoking the attack on the Fort.

[The Starlight]

*Shrug*

Ahaha, so we're talking more of a perimeter wall and stockade than the Deeping Wall. Good to know.

I would say like the walls of Minas Tirith probably, or perhaps Helm's Deep. Five Years is long enough for dwarves and elves to make such a thing, I would think.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Ahaha, so we're talking more of a perimeter wall and stockade than the Deeping Wall. Good to know.

I would say like the walls of Minas Tirith probably, or perhaps Helm's Deep. Five Years is long enough for dwarves and elves to make such a thing, I would think.

You think a few hundred elves and maybe some Dwarvish foremen could raise the Walls of Minas Tirith in five years?

I forget, did Imladris immediately send people to Eregion when the War of the Ring began in this canon?

To my knowledge, building a modest stone castle in medieval times took around seven years, with several thousand peasants working essentially nonstop. And that's assuming nearby infrastructure like quarries, roads, housing, supplies for food, etc. which wouldn't have existed in Eregion in the first place.

[Elerian]

Eh! G what chu doin?

I thought I was attacking the Causeway fort?

I figured it would make sense if the Orcs sent a scouting party to confirm what the 'spies' said, provoking the attack on the Fort.

Ok yeah that makes sense. I should hope you wouldn't mind if that scout party suddenly goes . . . missing?

Also about those walls, Dwarves are pretty OG as are Elves. But the Misty Mountains are near enough for them to start a quarry.

[G-Tech Corporation]

I figured it would make sense if the Orcs sent a scouting party to confirm what the 'spies' said, provoking the attack on the Fort.

Ok yeah that makes sense. I should hope you wouldn't mind if that scout party suddenly goes . . . missing?

Also about those walls, Dwarves are pretty OG as are Elves. But the Misty Mountains are near enough for them to start a quarry.

Sure, sure, I'm expecting as much.

And I'm aware both are good builders; but how many Dwarves were there in Eregiom to help? A few hired from the Blue Mountains perhaps, but they were none to fond of Elves. And we're still talking about a few hundred laborers tops doing the work of thousands, faster than thousands, with no existing infrastructure. A crude fort, sure. The walls of Minas Tirith, no.

[Elerian]

Ok yeah that makes sense. I should hope you wouldn't mind if that scout party suddenly goes . . . missing?

Also about those walls, Dwarves are pretty OG as are Elves. But the Misty Mountains are near enough for them to start a quarry.

Sure, sure, I'm expecting as much.

And I'm aware both are good builders; but how many Dwarves were there in Eregiom to help? A few hired from the Blue Mountains perhaps, but they were none to fond of Elves. And we're still talking about a few hundred laborers tops doing the work of thousands, faster than thousands, with no existing infrastructure. A crude fort, sure. The walls of Minas Tirith, no.

Brah, the Shire is closer than the Blue Mountains and one of the most populated areas of good, they could hire out hundreds of my people to make up for the lack of labor.

[The Starlight]

Ok yeah that makes sense. I should hope you wouldn't mind if that scout party suddenly goes . . . missing?

Also about those walls, Dwarves are pretty OG as are Elves. But the Misty Mountains are near enough for them to start a quarry.

Sure, sure, I'm expecting as much.

And I'm aware both are good builders; but how many Dwarves were there in Eregiom to help? A few hired from the Blue Mountains perhaps, but they were none to fond of Elves. And we're still talking about a few hundred laborers tops doing the work of thousands, faster than thousands, with no existing infrastructure. A crude fort, sure. The walls of Minas Tirith, no.

No existing infrastructure? I'm pretty sure there were ruins of the old Ost-in-Edhil. I meant like it in appearance, not the same in stature and strength.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Brah, the Shire is closer than the Blue Mountains and one of the most populated areas of good, they could hire out hundreds of my people to make up for the lack of labor.

Hmm, I'm not sure if that would be the case. Do the Hobbits have any history of leaving the Shire, save the few families in the Breelands? I can't recall any of note; even if your government emphasized the need to cooperate with the Outside, presumably it would take years to change underlying cultural aversions to leaving the Shire, let alone travelling several weeks to work on a project for the nearly-mythical Elves. And Hobbits are by no means comparable to Dwarves in terms of craftsmanship. The most extensive engineering hobbits have ever done are the mines at Michel Delving, which seem to be quite shallow in truth. Their skill with stonework might be less than your average peasant, honestly. Men at least build their houses of stone, whereas Hobbits cut theirs into hills as a rule.

No existing infrastructure? I'm pretty sure there were ruins of the old Ost-in-Edhil. I meant like it in appearance, not the same in stature and strength.

Sure, sure, there were some stones lying around at the time. Legolas mentions some small piles of stone, so you might be able to salvage some usable blocks to integrate into any wall. But recall, Eregion was destroyed around 1700 SA, and the War of the Ring was around 3000 TA. We're talking the degradation of all that once was Eregion for nigh on four thousand years before the Elves tried to rebuild it. Take a look at Crusader castles that haven't been maintained for several hundred. Or let's look at old Mesopotamian fortresses, like Nineveh or Babylon, who have been degrading for a closer time period.

There isn't much usable left after four millenia.

That aside, I was talking more about quarries for new stone, logging camps for timber, roads to expedite the passage of those supplies, housing for the workers, even roads to bring in food for the workers from existing farms, or farms to feed the workers if you aren't importing food. All of that doesn't spring up overnight, even if we account each Elf as doing the work of two men.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Mind you, the quality of the defenses does depend on how large the Elves built them. If we're talking a city-surrounding wall, I'm skeptical of even stone walls. But if we're talking a fairly concentrated keep, that makes more sense.

[Elerian]

G I understand that but there were still Hobbits that went to Bree for extended periods of time so I'd think that a decent amount would be wiling if the price and whatnot was right. Also, the Hobbits don't need to craft much of anything they just need to move things and do whatever menial tasks the Elves and Dwarves require while they do all the complicated bits.

[G-Tech Corporation]

G I understand that but there were still Hobbits that went to Bree for extended periods of time so I'd think that a decent amount would be wiling if the price and whatnot was right. Also, the Hobbits don't need to craft much of anything they just need to move things and do whatever menial tasks the Elves and Dwarves require while they do all the complicated bits.

Hmm, perhaps. I'm not entirely convinced that Hobbits would travel the length of Eriador for work, since the Shire doesn't seem to have a problem with employment, or that Elves would think to hire them, but it may be conceivable that some moderate number could be hired from Buckland and the like.

[Liecthenbourg]

I'll fill in that post once we determine what kind of fortification Ost-in-Edhil is.

[G-Tech Corporation]

There's your patrol up, Elerian.

[The Starlight]

I'm getting a bit confused about what the debate is about.
Are we debating if the city is surrounded by stone walls? Because that's how I imagined it.