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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:55 pm

The Seleucids wrote:Hmm... Never saw anything about that...


It's a bit of an obscure source, but:
"When did Glorfindel return to Middle-earth? This must probably have occurred before the end of the Second Age, and the ’Change of the World’ and the Drowning of Numenor, after which no living embodied creature, ’humane’ or of lesser kinds, could return from the Blessed Realm which had been ’removed from the Circles of the World’. This was according to a general ordinance proceeding from Eru Himself; and though, until the end of the Third Age, when Eru decreed that the Dominion of Men must begin, Manwe could have supposed to have received the permission of Eru to make an exception in [Glorfindel’s] case, and to have devised some means for the transportation of Glorfindel to Middle-earth, this is improbable and would make Glorfindel of greater power and importance than seems fitting.
We may then best suppose that Glorfindel returned during the Second Age, before the ’shadow’ fell on Numenor, and while the Numenoreans were welcomed by the Eldar as powerful allies. His return must have been for the purpose of strengthening Gil-galad and Elrond, when the growing evil of the intentions of Sauron were at last perceived by them. It might, therefore, have been as early as Second Age 1200, when Sauron in person came to Lindon, and attempted to deceive Gil-galad, but was rejected and dismissed. But it may have been, perhaps more probably, as late as c.1600, the Year of Dread, when Barad-Dur was completed and the One Ring forged, and Celebrimbor at last became aware of the trap into which he had fallen."
- (HoME XII: The Peoples of Middle-earth, Last Writings (Glorfindel)

Essentially, after the drowning of Numenor, no living creature could return from the Blessed Realm by decree of Eru. The Elves could take the Straight Road if they wished to leave Middle-Earth, but could not return. According to Tolkien, at any rate.

Sure, but we don't know anything about the Blue Mountains either.... But well, we will never know so i guess we could go for and back forever on that one.


A fair point. I would simply note that Moria was the greatest realm of the Dwarves at its height, and deployed 50k; the Blue Mountains would necessarily be lesser, but even after a part of their folk were joined to the Iron Hills + remnants of Grey Mountain Holds + remnants of Moria, Erebor mustered 18k. Even if every single Dwarf was a soldier, not merely a militiaman or new willing recruit due to the danger, that argues for a more standard hold compared to Moria having a population capable of deploying less than 18k soldiers.

I dunno, maybe yes, maybe no...


I suppose Durin's Folk might have been overconfident in their defense, but that seems unlikely given the loss of Dale. All other things equal, it would make the most sense that Dain mobilized as many soldiers as he could give the dire need of his army and allies.
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Postby Raktio » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:20 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Raktio wrote:BTW edited the Ent post slightly.


Hmm. Still some issues.

"The sorcerous green fire didn't reach most the trees which were still living for most had been hacked down or burned down."

We're talking much-farther firing weapons than the catapults that did the burning up to this point, firing to the edge of their range. If your average catapult fires, say, 200m, the mechanical advantage of a trebuchet this scale would be two to three times that range. I can imagine some premature detonations getting a bit of fire on the burned ground, but far from most not reaching indeed.

"The further in trees reminded untouched, carefully guarded by the Ents, who matched the enemy's artillery, and unlike the quickly doomed trebuchts of Gondor were more than capable of knocking the Fellbeasts out of the sky with a sizable stone."

How does guarding trees with equally flammable Ents protect them from fire? I mean, I can understand accuracy, but have you seen how slowly the Ents move their arms? The likelihood of hitting a flying target with them is far less than hitting the same target with an arrow, and that itself is remarkably small.

"smaller catapults throwing the much hated magic fire"

Just an interpretation point here- the catapults aren't throwing fire.

"During the years of stalemate on the line, the Ents and trees had gathered many a throwing sized rocks, so the front lines were well stockpiled."

I think this goes back to my original point about both rock supply for Lorien, and the viability of stockpiling in the face of a continued siege.

"The rocks currently in use, weren't their largest, however they easily took out the catapults on direct hits which occurred almost each they threw, and if not they landed uncomfortably close."

Sure, I'll be taking casualties. But saying an Ent at over a hundred meters can hit a target the size of itself every time seems unlikely, especially if said catapults are entrenched in siege lines. Have you ever played a game of catch over a reasonable distance? Even the best efforts of anyone outside someone who pitches professionally are off base frequently.

In short I just need to scrap the post, Asyir asked me over TG if I could have the Ents throw a counter volley and didn't think over it to much.
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Postby Elerian » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:22 pm

G is that dude you're beating supposed to be a clansmen?

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Postby The Seleucids (Ancient) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:23 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
The Seleucids wrote:Hmm... Never saw anything about that...


It's a bit of an obscure source, but:
"When did Glorfindel return to Middle-earth? This must probably have occurred before the end of the Second Age, and the ’Change of the World’ and the Drowning of Numenor, after which no living embodied creature, ’humane’ or of lesser kinds, could return from the Blessed Realm which had been ’removed from the Circles of the World’. This was according to a general ordinance proceeding from Eru Himself; and though, until the end of the Third Age, when Eru decreed that the Dominion of Men must begin, Manwe could have supposed to have received the permission of Eru to make an exception in [Glorfindel’s] case, and to have devised some means for the transportation of Glorfindel to Middle-earth, this is improbable and would make Glorfindel of greater power and importance than seems fitting.
We may then best suppose that Glorfindel returned during the Second Age, before the ’shadow’ fell on Numenor, and while the Numenoreans were welcomed by the Eldar as powerful allies. His return must have been for the purpose of strengthening Gil-galad and Elrond, when the growing evil of the intentions of Sauron were at last perceived by them. It might, therefore, have been as early as Second Age 1200, when Sauron in person came to Lindon, and attempted to deceive Gil-galad, but was rejected and dismissed. But it may have been, perhaps more probably, as late as c.1600, the Year of Dread, when Barad-Dur was completed and the One Ring forged, and Celebrimbor at last became aware of the trap into which he had fallen."
- (HoME XII: The Peoples of Middle-earth, Last Writings (Glorfindel)

Essentially, after the drowning of Numenor, no living creature could return from the Blessed Realm by decree of Eru. The Elves could take the Straight Road if they wished to leave Middle-Earth, but could not return. According to Tolkien, at any rate.

Sure, but we don't know anything about the Blue Mountains either.... But well, we will never know so i guess we could go for and back forever on that one.


A fair point. I would simply note that Moria was the greatest realm of the Dwarves at its height, and deployed 50k; the Blue Mountains would necessarily be lesser, but even after a part of their folk were joined to the Iron Hills + remnants of Grey Mountain Holds + remnants of Moria, Erebor mustered 18k. Even if every single Dwarf was a soldier, not merely a militiaman or new willing recruit due to the danger, that argues for a more standard hold compared to Moria having a population capable of deploying less than 18k soldiers.

I dunno, maybe yes, maybe no...


I suppose Durin's Folk might have been overconfident in their defense, but that seems unlikely given the loss of Dale. All other things equal, it would make the most sense that Dain mobilized as many soldiers as he could give the dire need of his army and allies.


1) Fair enough.
2) We can assume that by far not all went to Erebor, at least that's what i imagine. I even doubt if Erebor was higher in numbers then the Blue Mountains at the time of the war. Anyhow, like said before, i guess we can continue this till forever and further, but sadly we'll never get a clear answer on that matter.
3) I'm sure there where men amongst them who weren't real soldiers, but looking at Dwarves and the way they think i would say that they indeed where overconfident, or at least till a certain extend.
I'm also still wondering wether the Dwarves from the Iron Hills where present aswell since that has never been cleared out as far as my memory goes.

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:24 pm

Raktio wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Hmm. Still some issues.

"The sorcerous green fire didn't reach most the trees which were still living for most had been hacked down or burned down."

We're talking much-farther firing weapons than the catapults that did the burning up to this point, firing to the edge of their range. If your average catapult fires, say, 200m, the mechanical advantage of a trebuchet this scale would be two to three times that range. I can imagine some premature detonations getting a bit of fire on the burned ground, but far from most not reaching indeed.

"The further in trees reminded untouched, carefully guarded by the Ents, who matched the enemy's artillery, and unlike the quickly doomed trebuchts of Gondor were more than capable of knocking the Fellbeasts out of the sky with a sizable stone."

How does guarding trees with equally flammable Ents protect them from fire? I mean, I can understand accuracy, but have you seen how slowly the Ents move their arms? The likelihood of hitting a flying target with them is far less than hitting the same target with an arrow, and that itself is remarkably small.

"smaller catapults throwing the much hated magic fire"

Just an interpretation point here- the catapults aren't throwing fire.

"During the years of stalemate on the line, the Ents and trees had gathered many a throwing sized rocks, so the front lines were well stockpiled."

I think this goes back to my original point about both rock supply for Lorien, and the viability of stockpiling in the face of a continued siege.

"The rocks currently in use, weren't their largest, however they easily took out the catapults on direct hits which occurred almost each they threw, and if not they landed uncomfortably close."

Sure, I'll be taking casualties. But saying an Ent at over a hundred meters can hit a target the size of itself every time seems unlikely, especially if said catapults are entrenched in siege lines. Have you ever played a game of catch over a reasonable distance? Even the best efforts of anyone outside someone who pitches professionally are off base frequently.

In short I just need to scrap the post, Asyir asked me over TG if I could have the Ents throw a counter volley and didn't think over it to much.


It's not a bad post, frankly, in principle. The details are just dodgy; you can throw a counter volley, at my regular catapults, but things like defending trees with wooden beings and hitting a catapult with every rock might be best removed.

Elerian wrote:G is that dude you're beating supposed to be a clansmen?


Yep, probably someone out foraging or however your people feed themselves. My lads don't know about there being a band in their midst though.
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Postby Elerian » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:38 pm

Yep, probably someone out foraging or however your people feed themselves. My lads don't know about there being a band in their midst though.


Then are you wanting me to RP as the captive or is that just an explanation of how you'll find me?

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:43 pm

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Yep, probably someone out foraging or however your people feed themselves. My lads don't know about there being a band in their midst though.


Then are you wanting me to RP as the captive or is that just an explanation of how you'll find me?


That's just an explanation. If you feel like RPing as the captives, more power to you, but I don't think it's strictly necessary.
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Postby Raktio » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:44 pm

May I make a dragon as a character?
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Postby Elerian » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:45 pm

Raktio wrote:May I make a dragon as a character?


Don't we already have one?

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:47 pm

Elerian wrote:
Raktio wrote:May I make a dragon as a character?


Don't we already have one?


We do.

Mind you, dragons were vanishingly rare in this era. We shouldn't go too crazy with them.
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Postby Raktio » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:59 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Elerian wrote:
Don't we already have one?


We do.

Mind you, dragons were vanishingly rare in this era. We shouldn't go too crazy with them.

Ok, twas but asking, still want to do a Maiar, s/he would essentially be the same level as the others involved (Gandalf, Sauron, Saruman, ect).
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:03 pm

Raktio wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
We do.

Mind you, dragons were vanishingly rare in this era. We shouldn't go too crazy with them.

Ok, twas but asking, still want to do a Maiar, s/he would essentially be the same level as the others involved (Gandalf, Sauron, Saruman, ect).


Hmm, not my call. Starlight's thing, really, though as Co-Op I can say that I doubt he would take it.

Sauron isn't on Gandalf and Saruman's level though, by the by. Tolkien said he was of a higher order, relatively, though a part of his power has been expended in his creations and armies.
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Postby The Starlight » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:18 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Raktio wrote:Ok, twas but asking, still want to do a Maiar, s/he would essentially be the same level as the others involved (Gandalf, Sauron, Saruman, ect).


Hmm, not my call. Starlight's thing, really, though as Co-Op I can say that I doubt he would take it.

Sauron isn't on Gandalf and Saruman's level though, by the by. Tolkien said he was of a higher order, relatively, though a part of his power has been expended in his creations and armies.

Tell me of his/her origin, and how they got to Middle-Earth, Raktio, though, I'm probably going to say no, if it's really good, I might consider it... maybe.
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Postby Raktio » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:26 pm

The Starlight wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Hmm, not my call. Starlight's thing, really, though as Co-Op I can say that I doubt he would take it.

Sauron isn't on Gandalf and Saruman's level though, by the by. Tolkien said he was of a higher order, relatively, though a part of his power has been expended in his creations and armies.

Tell me of his/her origin, and how they got to Middle-Earth, Raktio, though, I'm probably going to say no, if it's really good, I might consider it... maybe.

Ok, I'll have to spend quite a bit more time digging through stuff (which I currently haven't had much time to do).
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Postby Shaggai » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:36 pm

Just read Liech's latest post in the IC. Seriously? That reference?
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Postby Escalan Corps-Star Island » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:45 pm

Shaggai wrote:Just read Liech's latest post in the IC. Seriously? That reference?

but why
why diggy diggy hole now of all times
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Postby Shaggai » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:48 pm

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Shaggai wrote:Just read Liech's latest post in the IC. Seriously? That reference?

but why
why diggy diggy hole now of all times
why

It's not even anywhere near Dan's best song, either.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:54 pm

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Escalan Corps-Star Island wrote:but why
why diggy diggy hole now of all times
why

It's not even anywhere near Dan's best song, either.


Was Dan the DJ?
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Postby Rizoshia » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:56 pm

Ran into a bit of a problem. I'm relatively new to NS and I haven't gotten into many Roleplays, this one being the first semi-mature one.
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Postby Elerian » Mon Dec 15, 2014 6:01 pm

Rizoshia wrote:Ran into a bit of a problem. I'm relatively new to NS and I haven't gotten into many Roleplays, this one being the first semi-mature one.


Are you referencing the part of the app that asks for a sample? If so you could probably just write that you've never been in an RP before, and you'd be just fine.

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Postby Shaggai » Mon Dec 15, 2014 6:07 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Shaggai wrote:It's not even anywhere near Dan's best song, either.


Was Dan the DJ?

Thinking of a different song. Sorry!
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Just wait, Khamul the Easterling... Just wait. One day, the rolling thunder of song will gallop over your hills, and there will be nowhere to hide.
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Postby Rizoshia » Mon Dec 15, 2014 6:15 pm

Elerian wrote:
Rizoshia wrote:Ran into a bit of a problem. I'm relatively new to NS and I haven't gotten into many Roleplays, this one being the first semi-mature one.


Are you referencing the part of the app that asks for a sample? If so you could probably just write that you've never been in an RP before, and you'd be just fine.

Oh, alright.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Mon Dec 15, 2014 6:18 pm

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Rizoshia wrote:Ran into a bit of a problem. I'm relatively new to NS and I haven't gotten into many Roleplays, this one being the first semi-mature one.


Are you referencing the part of the app that asks for a sample? If so you could probably just write that you've never been in an RP before, and you'd be just fine.


And if Starlight is feeling scrupled, just write a paragraph or two of your best prose, to prove you aren't a one-line poster :P
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Postby Rizoshia » Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:29 pm

Faction App-
Realm name:Gondorian Remnants
Leader name:Marshall Tanith
Race: Man
History:
The 7th and 8th Company of the Gondorian Military; as far as they knew the men were all that remained of a once mighty Military after the fall of the Kingdom that once stood as a bastion of hope again'st the darkness of the East. The Men of the West were now foreigners in their own lands; hostile forces in a once welcoming land. A period of strife and unrest led to the eventual splitting of the Camp. The 8th Company went it's own way and was never heard from again by the now alone 7th. After committing suicide under the pressure the Company's command fell to Tanith of Pelargir, a young Gondorian Junior Officer who declared himself the 'Marshal' of the Battalion.

The men now have orders to march East towards the outskirts of Minas Tirith, although not close enough to be spotted as a besieging force. They seek to recruit what remains of Man and, if possible, retake their home.

The 7th Company of the Military is currently camped out
Alignment: Lawful Good
Goals:Gather the forces of Man, reclaim the White City, and cast out the Shadow.
Territory:(if any)None, but the Battalion is marching towards the mountains near Minas Tirith by land from the West.
Military Strength(in numbers)One Company numbering 500 men in total. Broken down:
-300 Gondorian Infantrymen(Spears/Swords etc)
-150 Gondorian Archers
-50 Gondorian Cavalry

How active will you be?: No life, on every day. ;~;
Did you read everything?:Yussir.
RP sample:N/A, this is my first major one...sorry.
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Character App-
Character name: 'Marshal' Tanith of Pelargir
Race: Man
Appearance:Marshall of the Remnants
History:
Tanith was never a very commanding person. He had enough natural leadership to maintain a position as a Junior Officer in his Battalion, that much was true, but he had never fancied himself a full fledged Commander. After the fall of the White City his and one other Battalion's worth of men managed to make their escape only to split due to an issue in a chain of command that didn't exist anymore. The other Battalion split and, unable to cope with the pressure, his Commander committed suicide. The Battalion fell into chaos as some wanted to follow the others to wherever they wanted to go and others simply wished to leave altogether.

Something snapped within Tanith. He wasn't the highest ranking Officer present but he was the only one that could take charge...he just knew it. The young man rallied the men with a fiery speech, claiming that the White City "Belonged to them by birthright". The people of the realm were still on the side of their rightful protectors...at least he hoped so. It's not like they were enjoying the whole Evil Empire bit. He knew it was his duty to reclaim Gondor and, when it was all said and done, it would need a King. Or an Emperor.

Alignment Lawful Good for now.
Goals:Justice prevails, yada yada yada, reclaim the White City and lolno Aragorn ascending to the throne.
Other: Yo yo, for the Empire yo.
How active will you be?: No life, on every day. ;~;
Did you read everything?: Yussir.
RP sample:N/A
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