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Postby Asyir » Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:20 pm

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Asyir wrote:I'll have to kill them though. That is, if they come near my riders.


Nah, i meant that i could include such encounter in my first post, where Gróin was still alone, before he met up with the men of Dale.

Ok. I'm currently writing a response btw.
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Postby The Seleucids (Ancient) » Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:25 pm

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Nah, i meant that i could include such encounter in my first post, where Gróin was still alone, before he met up with the men of Dale.

Ok. I'm currently writing a response btw.


Alright ;)

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Postby Asyir » Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:36 pm

Someone chose the Ents right?

Also Lunar, I asked Galadriel a question.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:50 pm

Oh, Asyir, to clarify; it isn't sorcery, though it may appear so to those who don't understand it.
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Postby Asyir » Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:53 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:Oh, Asyir, to clarify; it isn't sorcery, though it may appear so to those who don't understand it.

I know. Do you think a mere man would know what it is?
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Postby The black lands of Mordor » Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:56 pm

Alright this stinks. I am going to be inactive for a few days. My I rejoin later, my excuse shall be that the Witch King is traveling to his location. I'l be gone anywhere from 2-5 days
Hello! call me Akhôrahil! or the blind sorcerer, or master, any of those will work.

I am the brony Nazgul! also the friendly one.

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:08 pm

Asyir wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:Oh, Asyir, to clarify; it isn't sorcery, though it may appear so to those who don't understand it.

I know. Do you think a mere man would know what it is?


Ah, not necessarily.
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Postby Escalan Corps-Star Island » Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:28 pm

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Osnil wrote:If you're sure. If anybody's interested, over Christmas break I'll be setting up a Super Smash Bros RP based on Subspace Emissary from Brawl. Not quite as intense as this, but I hope it will be fun. If anyone is interested, they could comment on this thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=323627

Mario, beaten down, bloodied, the taste of iron in his mouth and with the ring of a recent explosion in his ears, bowed down in the Endless Sands of the arena. His fist was driven deep into the dusty floor, which provided little support for his broken body. In his neck, he felt the cold blade of the Master Sword connecting with his skin, softly, gently, like a girl petting a kitten. The blade was not unkind, but the situation made her icy touch unbearable. Horrifying.

“Link, for the last time. I beg of you, reconsider. We are brothers, you and I. We need not do battle any longer!”

The blade stopped strafing for a moment. Mario could feel it shake, the vibrations in the handle translated perfectly into the tip of the weapon. He dared not look up, afraid the smallest of movements would provoke his adversary, his brother.

“I thought… I thought we were, Mario. I thought we were the closest of friends. I would have followed you to the bitter end, to whatever end. I would have slain Bowser myself, had he but touched Peach in a way that discomforted you. I trusted you more than I did myself, Mario. So why you, Mario. Why did you have to throw her off that floating platform? Did you have no pity on her? Did you not see her kind heart? She was my princess, Mario, as Peach is yours. How could you?”

“I had no choice, Link. I had no options. It was me, or her. Her attack on me was unprovoked, I did not known how to handle. I could not think. I fought her, she fought me, and she received the short end of the stick. Coming to think of it, it might have been better for me to die there. This moment is worse than the seven levels of hell that awaited me down below”

Mario let his hand go through the sand of the arena. He felt a bit of strength being drawn back to his crippled and maimed body. Link had given him quite the beating, as if all the fury of the Turtle Island had been translated into his sword arm. This theory was not even as far-fetched as it sounds, for did Link not destroy every obstacle Mario made? Was he not hit time and time again by fire and ice, and did he not continue on undeterred? Mario was downtrodden, hopeless. He knew where this was going. Then, he felt something, hidden beneath the sand. A cold handle, with pieces of rubber. It felt heavy, but at the same time it radiated a huge amount of power unseen by all. But Mario felt it, and slowly, he started digging, trying not to rouse any suspicion from his victor. He, however, seemed to enraged to notice.

“Yes, Mario, you should have died there. It would have saved me the trouble of doing it myself. Not to worry, Old Friend, I will try not to enjoy it. This is my promise, as you made yours to protect Zelda from whatever harm. I promise also Peach will come to no harm. This too, is my promise. Goodbye, old friend”

At that moment, Mario felt the steel of the Master Sword cutting down his back. A powerful thrust Link had given to it, and it pierced Mario’s shoulder with a vigour unknown to man. At that moment, Mario clenched his hand around the handle he had just found in the sand. Immediately, all the power leaped into his body. He felt strong, invincible, alive. More alive than he had felt in the past days. From the sand, with little effort, he drew the handle, which revealed itself as the handle of a Smash Hammer, Greatest Weapon of the Ancients. There was little time. Mario pulled the hammer above his head, and struck with the force of a God in front of him. Link stepped back a pace to avoid being hit by the terrible weapon, but to no real avail. A second time, Mario pulled up the hammer, and with the vengeance of a devil he forced it down upon the sands, throwing down Link to a dreamlike state betwixt death and life. A third time Mario lifted the Smash Hammer, and this time, it struck Link with full force. Mercilessly, the defender of the Triforce, Bane of Ganondorf, was thrown in the air, ever higher, ever further, disappearing out of sight almost in an instant. A red flash followed, lighting up the midday sky like a show of fireworks. Mario dropped the hammer immediately, and turned his gaze skywards.

“May you be reunited forever, my friend. I am sorry”

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Postby Neema » Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:26 pm

Holy shit, sorry guys, had a busy weekend.

Can someone tl;dr the past few pages?
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Postby Raktio » Sun Dec 14, 2014 11:57 pm

The nazgul got fell beasts or still riding their horses?
Broadside dead ahead!

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Postby Osnil » Mon Dec 15, 2014 7:33 am

Escalan Corps-Star Island wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
Mario, beaten down, bloodied, the taste of iron in his mouth and with the ring of a recent explosion in his ears, bowed down in the Endless Sands of the arena. His fist was driven deep into the dusty floor, which provided little support for his broken body. In his neck, he felt the cold blade of the Master Sword connecting with his skin, softly, gently, like a girl petting a kitten. The blade was not unkind, but the situation made her icy touch unbearable. Horrifying.

“Link, for the last time. I beg of you, reconsider. We are brothers, you and I. We need not do battle any longer!”

The blade stopped strafing for a moment. Mario could feel it shake, the vibrations in the handle translated perfectly into the tip of the weapon. He dared not look up, afraid the smallest of movements would provoke his adversary, his brother.

“I thought… I thought we were, Mario. I thought we were the closest of friends. I would have followed you to the bitter end, to whatever end. I would have slain Bowser myself, had he but touched Peach in a way that discomforted you. I trusted you more than I did myself, Mario. So why you, Mario. Why did you have to throw her off that floating platform? Did you have no pity on her? Did you not see her kind heart? She was my princess, Mario, as Peach is yours. How could you?”

“I had no choice, Link. I had no options. It was me, or her. Her attack on me was unprovoked, I did not known how to handle. I could not think. I fought her, she fought me, and she received the short end of the stick. Coming to think of it, it might have been better for me to die there. This moment is worse than the seven levels of hell that awaited me down below”

Mario let his hand go through the sand of the arena. He felt a bit of strength being drawn back to his crippled and maimed body. Link had given him quite the beating, as if all the fury of the Turtle Island had been translated into his sword arm. This theory was not even as far-fetched as it sounds, for did Link not destroy every obstacle Mario made? Was he not hit time and time again by fire and ice, and did he not continue on undeterred? Mario was downtrodden, hopeless. He knew where this was going. Then, he felt something, hidden beneath the sand. A cold handle, with pieces of rubber. It felt heavy, but at the same time it radiated a huge amount of power unseen by all. But Mario felt it, and slowly, he started digging, trying not to rouse any suspicion from his victor. He, however, seemed to enraged to notice.

“Yes, Mario, you should have died there. It would have saved me the trouble of doing it myself. Not to worry, Old Friend, I will try not to enjoy it. This is my promise, as you made yours to protect Zelda from whatever harm. I promise also Peach will come to no harm. This too, is my promise. Goodbye, old friend”

At that moment, Mario felt the steel of the Master Sword cutting down his back. A powerful thrust Link had given to it, and it pierced Mario’s shoulder with a vigour unknown to man. At that moment, Mario clenched his hand around the handle he had just found in the sand. Immediately, all the power leaped into his body. He felt strong, invincible, alive. More alive than he had felt in the past days. From the sand, with little effort, he drew the handle, which revealed itself as the handle of a Smash Hammer, Greatest Weapon of the Ancients. There was little time. Mario pulled the hammer above his head, and struck with the force of a God in front of him. Link stepped back a pace to avoid being hit by the terrible weapon, but to no real avail. A second time, Mario pulled up the hammer, and with the vengeance of a devil he forced it down upon the sands, throwing down Link to a dreamlike state betwixt death and life. A third time Mario lifted the Smash Hammer, and this time, it struck Link with full force. Mercilessly, the defender of the Triforce, Bane of Ganondorf, was thrown in the air, ever higher, ever further, disappearing out of sight almost in an instant. A red flash followed, lighting up the midday sky like a show of fireworks. Mario dropped the hammer immediately, and turned his gaze skywards.

“May you be reunited forever, my friend. I am sorry”

Game


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Uh. Number one. It's based off of Subspace Emissary, so Link turns into a statue. And number 2. You either join or fight against the Master Hand. If you want further discussion on this, go to the link. I am not getting into trouble for threadjacking.

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:22 am

Raktio wrote:The nazgul got fell beasts or still riding their horses?

That's a question, isn't it? The problem is, the main reason the horses died in the books was because Gandalf added boulders to Elrond's cascade of water when they tried to enter Imladris. Gandalf wasn't there, so the cascade was mostly water. Could this make the horses die? It may have. It might not have. It's a bit of chance, really. Anyway, the Dark Lord would certainly equip them with Fell Beast when he needed them for war. I mean, wraiths with wings appeared important in the taking of Minas Tritih, as they destroyed the trebuchets that fired on the Orc army.
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Postby The Seleucids (Ancient) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:27 am

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
Raktio wrote:The nazgul got fell beasts or still riding their horses?

That's a question, isn't it? The problem is, the main reason the horses died in the books was because Gandalf added boulders to Elrond's cascade of water when they tried to enter Imladris. Gandalf wasn't there, so the cascade was mostly water. Could this make the horses die? It may have. It might not have. It's a bit of chance, really. Anyway, the Dark Lord would certainly equip them with Fell Beast when he needed them for war. I mean, wraiths with wings appeared important in the taking of Minas Tritih, as they destroyed the trebuchets that fired on the Orc army.


I'd go with that, the Nazgul's having horses except for battles and such, there they would use the fell beasts.

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Postby Raktio » Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:01 am

The Seleucids wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:That's a question, isn't it? The problem is, the main reason the horses died in the books was because Gandalf added boulders to Elrond's cascade of water when they tried to enter Imladris. Gandalf wasn't there, so the cascade was mostly water. Could this make the horses die? It may have. It might not have. It's a bit of chance, really. Anyway, the Dark Lord would certainly equip them with Fell Beast when he needed them for war. I mean, wraiths with wings appeared important in the taking of Minas Tritih, as they destroyed the trebuchets that fired on the Orc army.


I'd go with that, the Nazgul's having horses except for battles and such, there they would use the fell beasts.

Ok.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:27 am

The Seleucids wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:That's a question, isn't it? The problem is, the main reason the horses died in the books was because Gandalf added boulders to Elrond's cascade of water when they tried to enter Imladris. Gandalf wasn't there, so the cascade was mostly water. Could this make the horses die? It may have. It might not have. It's a bit of chance, really. Anyway, the Dark Lord would certainly equip them with Fell Beast when he needed them for war. I mean, wraiths with wings appeared important in the taking of Minas Tritih, as they destroyed the trebuchets that fired on the Orc army.


I'd go with that, the Nazgul's having horses except for battles and such, there they would use the fell beasts.


Eh? To my knowledge, the Nine rode upon Fell Beasts all throughout the War of the Ring; I'm not certain why they would stop after the first few engagements and go back to horses, given the obvious speed and mani ever advantages of a flying mount. I'm actually going to be breeding more.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:32 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
The Seleucids wrote:
I'd go with that, the Nazgul's having horses except for battles and such, there they would use the fell beasts.


Eh? To my knowledge, the Nine rode upon Fell Beasts all throughout the War of the Ring; I'm not certain why they would stop after the first few engagements and go back to horses, given the obvious speed and mani ever advantages of a flying mount. I'm actually going to be breeding more.

Yeah, the horses we used to keep a low profile. They attracted less attention, and were better at finding fugitives going on foot. After all, combing out a forest with a horse is easier than with a Fell Beast. The reason they got Fell Beasts in the first place, though, was because their horses died at the Ford. But I can imagine that Sauron would just equip them with them anyway.
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Postby The Seleucids (Ancient) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:38 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
The Seleucids wrote:
I'd go with that, the Nazgul's having horses except for battles and such, there they would use the fell beasts.


Eh? To my knowledge, the Nine rode upon Fell Beasts all throughout the War of the Ring; I'm not certain why they would stop after the first few engagements and go back to horses, given the obvious speed and mani ever advantages of a flying mount. I'm actually going to be breeding more.


Ever thought about the Obvious advantages with a horse? Ever watched a battle in a forest from the sky? I doubt anyone could give proper orders at such moment :P
Another thing is that Horses are low profile. Flying around on a fell beast gives the enemy already an obvious advantage since they can be spotted from miles and miles away. All that it takes are a few properly aimed arrows to take it down from the sky, making it also much easier targets.
Breed more? How? We don't even have a recruitment system. Aside from that it would probably take years to breed them properly.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:50 am

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Eh? To my knowledge, the Nine rode upon Fell Beasts all throughout the War of the Ring; I'm not certain why they would stop after the first few engagements and go back to horses, given the obvious speed and mani ever advantages of a flying mount. I'm actually going to be breeding more.

Yeah, the horses we used to keep a low profile. They attracted less attention, and were better at finding fugitives going on foot. After all, combing out a forest with a horse is easier than with a Fell Beast. The reason they got Fell Beasts in the first place, though, was because their horses died at the Ford. But I can imagine that Sauron would just equip them with them anyway.


Sure, combing a forest would be harder. But there aren't that many truly dense forests upon Middle-Earth; the main reason the Nine rode horses, to my knowledge, was to be able to infiltrate the West incognito as "Riders in Black". Since the entire West is apparently on a war footing now, suspicious sniffing cloaked and hooded figures probably aren't the most effective method for, well, anything. I'm certain the horses getting killed accelerated the process, but once the Ringbearer knew he was pursued, the time for stealth was over regardless.

Fell Beasts can survey massive areas from the air, and even land if necessary to observe specifics. They fly faster than the "night wind", indubitably many times the speed of a horse, and are all but invulnerable compared to a steed. Plus from a command standpoint, strategic overviews are far more useful than staring at a single section of the line, and flight certainly affords them that capability.

The Seleucids wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Eh? To my knowledge, the Nine rode upon Fell Beasts all throughout the War of the Ring; I'm not certain why they would stop after the first few engagements and go back to horses, given the obvious speed and mani ever advantages of a flying mount. I'm actually going to be breeding more.


Ever thought about the Obvious advantages with a horse? Ever watched a battle in a forest from the sky? I doubt anyone could give proper orders at such moment :P
Another thing is that Horses are low profile. Flying around on a fell beast gives the enemy already an obvious advantage since they can be spotted from miles and miles away. All that it takes are a few properly aimed arrows to take it down from the sky, making it also much easier targets.
Breed more? How? We don't even have a recruitment system. Aside from that it would probably take years to breed them properly.



Actually no, I haven't. What are the Obvious advantages with a horse? As stated, most battles in Middle-Earth didn't take place in forests; the only really great forest left is Mirkwood, and I'm sure the spiders can handle any affairs that come to their attention.

As far as low profile, sure, they can be spotted from a long way away on a clear day. But any cloud cover gives them concealment while not aggressively obscuring their vision, and shooting a creature that's only slightly larger than a horse at a distance of thousands of feet of elevation and likely distance is a matter of chance, not ability. Most bowmen can't even reach that high, and even Elves couldn't shoot down the Nine if they rode above the clouds like they did at Minas Tirith. On the issue of being shot with a bow, a Fell Beast took an arrow from Legolas, noted as being a "mighty shot", and didn't seem to be more than marginally put out over the matter. Horses, certainly, are just as susceptible to being shot with arrows, and even less capable of avoiding them.

As far as breeding, why not? If Sauron is deploying such creatures in combat roles, he obviously has breeding stock, just as the Rohirrim have breeding stock for their war-horses. One doesn't throw breeding stock into combat, but rather their progeny. Certainly such a creature would take years to grow to maturity, but there's no reason Sauron hasn't been breeding remounts for his Nazgul and more even in canon, as well as in the intervening five years.
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Postby Osnil » Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:03 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Yeah, the horses we used to keep a low profile. They attracted less attention, and were better at finding fugitives going on foot. After all, combing out a forest with a horse is easier than with a Fell Beast. The reason they got Fell Beasts in the first place, though, was because their horses died at the Ford. But I can imagine that Sauron would just equip them with them anyway.


Sure, combing a forest would be harder. But there aren't that many truly dense forests upon Middle-Earth; the main reason the Nine rode horses, to my knowledge, was to be able to infiltrate the West incognito as "Riders in Black". Since the entire West is apparently on a war footing now, suspicious sniffing cloaked and hooded figures probably aren't the most effective method for, well, anything. I'm certain the horses getting killed accelerated the process, but once the Ringbearer knew he was pursued, the time for stealth was over regardless.

Fell Beasts can survey massive areas from the air, and even land if necessary to observe specifics. They fly faster than the "night wind", indubitably many times the speed of a horse, and are all but invulnerable compared to a steed. Plus from a command standpoint, strategic overviews are far more useful than staring at a single section of the line, and flight certainly affords them that capability.

The Seleucids wrote:
Ever thought about the Obvious advantages with a horse? Ever watched a battle in a forest from the sky? I doubt anyone could give proper orders at such moment :P
Another thing is that Horses are low profile. Flying around on a fell beast gives the enemy already an obvious advantage since they can be spotted from miles and miles away. All that it takes are a few properly aimed arrows to take it down from the sky, making it also much easier targets.
Breed more? How? We don't even have a recruitment system. Aside from that it would probably take years to breed them properly.



Actually no, I haven't. What are the Obvious advantages with a horse? As stated, most battles in Middle-Earth didn't take place in forests; the only really great forest left is Mirkwood, and I'm sure the spiders can handle any affairs that come to their attention.

As far as low profile, sure, they can be spotted from a long way away on a clear day. But any cloud cover gives them concealment while not aggressively obscuring their vision, and shooting a creature that's only slightly larger than a horse at a distance of thousands of feet of elevation and likely distance is a matter of chance, not ability. Most bowmen can't even reach that high, and even Elves couldn't shoot down the Nine if they rode above the clouds like they did at Minas Tirith. On the issue of being shot with a bow, a Fell Beast took an arrow from Legolas, noted as being a "mighty shot", and didn't seem to be more than marginally put out over the matter. Horses, certainly, are just as susceptible to being shot with arrows, and even less capable of avoiding them.

As far as breeding, why not? If Sauron is deploying such creatures in combat roles, he obviously has breeding stock, just as the Rohirrim have breeding stock for their war-horses. One doesn't throw breeding stock into combat, but rather their progeny. Certainly such a creature would take years to grow to maturity, but there's no reason Sauron hasn't been breeding remounts for his Nazgul and more even in canon, as well as in the intervening five years.

Lorien is kind of a great forest. Formerly, Fangorn was a great forest.

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:13 am

Osnil wrote:
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Sure, combing a forest would be harder. But there aren't that many truly dense forests upon Middle-Earth; the main reason the Nine rode horses, to my knowledge, was to be able to infiltrate the West incognito as "Riders in Black". Since the entire West is apparently on a war footing now, suspicious sniffing cloaked and hooded figures probably aren't the most effective method for, well, anything. I'm certain the horses getting killed accelerated the process, but once the Ringbearer knew he was pursued, the time for stealth was over regardless.

Fell Beasts can survey massive areas from the air, and even land if necessary to observe specifics. They fly faster than the "night wind", indubitably many times the speed of a horse, and are all but invulnerable compared to a steed. Plus from a command standpoint, strategic overviews are far more useful than staring at a single section of the line, and flight certainly affords them that capability.




Actually no, I haven't. What are the Obvious advantages with a horse? As stated, most battles in Middle-Earth didn't take place in forests; the only really great forest left is Mirkwood, and I'm sure the spiders can handle any affairs that come to their attention.

As far as low profile, sure, they can be spotted from a long way away on a clear day. But any cloud cover gives them concealment while not aggressively obscuring their vision, and shooting a creature that's only slightly larger than a horse at a distance of thousands of feet of elevation and likely distance is a matter of chance, not ability. Most bowmen can't even reach that high, and even Elves couldn't shoot down the Nine if they rode above the clouds like they did at Minas Tirith. On the issue of being shot with a bow, a Fell Beast took an arrow from Legolas, noted as being a "mighty shot", and didn't seem to be more than marginally put out over the matter. Horses, certainly, are just as susceptible to being shot with arrows, and even less capable of avoiding them.

As far as breeding, why not? If Sauron is deploying such creatures in combat roles, he obviously has breeding stock, just as the Rohirrim have breeding stock for their war-horses. One doesn't throw breeding stock into combat, but rather their progeny. Certainly such a creature would take years to grow to maturity, but there's no reason Sauron hasn't been breeding remounts for his Nazgul and more even in canon, as well as in the intervening five years.

Lorien is kind of a great forest. Formerly, Fangorn was a great forest.


True. But considering how close one can get to Lorien currently, they'll see more from the air. And Fangorn is now more of a cultured grove or twelve scattered about than a forest.
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Postby The Seleucids (Ancient) » Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:43 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Yeah, the horses we used to keep a low profile. They attracted less attention, and were better at finding fugitives going on foot. After all, combing out a forest with a horse is easier than with a Fell Beast. The reason they got Fell Beasts in the first place, though, was because their horses died at the Ford. But I can imagine that Sauron would just equip them with them anyway.


Sure, combing a forest would be harder. But there aren't that many truly dense forests upon Middle-Earth; the main reason the Nine rode horses, to my knowledge, was to be able to infiltrate the West incognito as "Riders in Black". Since the entire West is apparently on a war footing now, suspicious sniffing cloaked and hooded figures probably aren't the most effective method for, well, anything. I'm certain the horses getting killed accelerated the process, but once the Ringbearer knew he was pursued, the time for stealth was over regardless.

Fell Beasts can survey massive areas from the air, and even land if necessary to observe specifics. They fly faster than the "night wind", indubitably many times the speed of a horse, and are all but invulnerable compared to a steed. Plus from a command standpoint, strategic overviews are far more useful than staring at a single section of the line, and flight certainly affords them that capability.

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Ever thought about the Obvious advantages with a horse? Ever watched a battle in a forest from the sky? I doubt anyone could give proper orders at such moment :P
Another thing is that Horses are low profile. Flying around on a fell beast gives the enemy already an obvious advantage since they can be spotted from miles and miles away. All that it takes are a few properly aimed arrows to take it down from the sky, making it also much easier targets.
Breed more? How? We don't even have a recruitment system. Aside from that it would probably take years to breed them properly.



Actually no, I haven't. What are the Obvious advantages with a horse? As stated, most battles in Middle-Earth didn't take place in forests; the only really great forest left is Mirkwood, and I'm sure the spiders can handle any affairs that come to their attention.

As far as low profile, sure, they can be spotted from a long way away on a clear day. But any cloud cover gives them concealment while not aggressively obscuring their vision, and shooting a creature that's only slightly larger than a horse at a distance of thousands of feet of elevation and likely distance is a matter of chance, not ability. Most bowmen can't even reach that high, and even Elves couldn't shoot down the Nine if they rode above the clouds like they did at Minas Tirith. On the issue of being shot with a bow, a Fell Beast took an arrow from Legolas, noted as being a "mighty shot", and didn't seem to be more than marginally put out over the matter. Horses, certainly, are just as susceptible to being shot with arrows, and even less capable of avoiding them.

As far as breeding, why not? If Sauron is deploying such creatures in combat roles, he obviously has breeding stock, just as the Rohirrim have breeding stock for their war-horses. One doesn't throw breeding stock into combat, but rather their progeny. Certainly such a creature would take years to grow to maturity, but there's no reason Sauron hasn't been breeding remounts for his Nazgul and more even in canon, as well as in the intervening five years.


In that case any realm you can think off can bulk up its forces through breeding and such, not only horses and fellbeasts can be bred you know.

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:45 am

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Sure, combing a forest would be harder. But there aren't that many truly dense forests upon Middle-Earth; the main reason the Nine rode horses, to my knowledge, was to be able to infiltrate the West incognito as "Riders in Black". Since the entire West is apparently on a war footing now, suspicious sniffing cloaked and hooded figures probably aren't the most effective method for, well, anything. I'm certain the horses getting killed accelerated the process, but once the Ringbearer knew he was pursued, the time for stealth was over regardless.

Fell Beasts can survey massive areas from the air, and even land if necessary to observe specifics. They fly faster than the "night wind", indubitably many times the speed of a horse, and are all but invulnerable compared to a steed. Plus from a command standpoint, strategic overviews are far more useful than staring at a single section of the line, and flight certainly affords them that capability.




Actually no, I haven't. What are the Obvious advantages with a horse? As stated, most battles in Middle-Earth didn't take place in forests; the only really great forest left is Mirkwood, and I'm sure the spiders can handle any affairs that come to their attention.

As far as low profile, sure, they can be spotted from a long way away on a clear day. But any cloud cover gives them concealment while not aggressively obscuring their vision, and shooting a creature that's only slightly larger than a horse at a distance of thousands of feet of elevation and likely distance is a matter of chance, not ability. Most bowmen can't even reach that high, and even Elves couldn't shoot down the Nine if they rode above the clouds like they did at Minas Tirith. On the issue of being shot with a bow, a Fell Beast took an arrow from Legolas, noted as being a "mighty shot", and didn't seem to be more than marginally put out over the matter. Horses, certainly, are just as susceptible to being shot with arrows, and even less capable of avoiding them.

As far as breeding, why not? If Sauron is deploying such creatures in combat roles, he obviously has breeding stock, just as the Rohirrim have breeding stock for their war-horses. One doesn't throw breeding stock into combat, but rather their progeny. Certainly such a creature would take years to grow to maturity, but there's no reason Sauron hasn't been breeding remounts for his Nazgul and more even in canon, as well as in the intervening five years.


In that case any realm you can think off can bulk up its forces through breeding and such, not only horses and fellbeasts can be bred you know.


No no, I'm saying that there were more Fellbeasts than the Nine rode, ready for use. Not that I'll be gaining more.

Besides, breeding a dozen beasts isn't the same as raising children to fighting age. I'd certainly think that Rohirrim are capable of getting remounts due to the size of the herds available to them, while I'd doubt they have many recruits available.
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Hmm, a few things Raktio:

The generic catapults have never stopped firing during the siege, so I'm unsure how the Ents would build a stockpile aside from not responding to bombardment. Furthermore, their supply of stone would be much less than the besiegers. Most of them are out of range of the trees though, in static positions that no longer are capable of reaching Lorien due to the devastation of the surroundings.

The Voidspeakers are a different matter; they are about six times as large and far more powerful than Mordor's prior catapults, and as such have a necessarily longer range. Thus it makes sense that they not only reach the treeline, but far past the end of the burned zone from the regular catapults.

If the Ents were in combat with the regular catapults, assuming they have roughly equivalent ranges (a matter for debate, but I'll allow it), they wouldn't be capable of reaching the Voidspeakers in any meaningful manner.

Lastly, why are Ents more accurate than mechanical devices? I can see faster-firing, given a supply of ammunition, but I'm dubious about the claim of accuracy, or precision.
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I can't post on the IC, I am really pissed at my STUPID laptop!
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Alleniana wrote:'the Blacks in the region began to proliferate"
What? What does that even mean? Like, they took over and castrated all the non-blacks?


it means the baby daddies and their sugar mommas got busy and out produced the whites asians and everyone else

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Aeternabilis wrote:Time for the Second Battle for Kongou's Body! Now with 3x the combatants!

That sounds so lewd when taken out of context. :rofl:
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:12 pm

Blast it Lunas, now I have to write another post detailing the effects of Galadriel's efforts. :P

Any specifics of how she's trying to tame the flames? Rain from above? Regenerative growth?
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