Guns of Our Forefathers³: Reborn (OOC/Worldbuilding)

[Reatra]

My history is that the long voyage caused a mutiny, and they turned back towards China, but unknown currents brought them to America.

Okay... long voyage to where?

First Treasure voyage to the east, if, as Ling says, the treasure fleets never really stopped, then it would explain why he never colonized east like Japan did, because three fleets never returned.

[Alleniana]

Frankly, any Chinese in the Americas would get roflstomped pretty quickly. At this stage, there's essentially nowhere in the Americas that can really support a nation with enough population to stand up to the Europeans militarily in any way; you could unite all South America and barely have the numbers to stop Spain stomping you.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Does the Papal States still exist?

Nope, currently part of Spain. However, Lunas expressed some interest in possibly spitting out the Papal States and other Italian nations he holds. I dunno if that is gonna go anywhere.

[Kryskov]

First Treasure voyage to the east, if, as Ling says, the treasure fleets never really stopped, then it would explain why he never colonized east like Japan did, because three fleets never returned.

This assumes that the treasure fleets could survive a voyage to America, which is debatable, in both the ship's technical capabilities to not twist themselves in half because they're really oversized, and the aforementioned prospects of the Chinese being met in America. They'd either assimilate (see: Roanoke Colony) or would die of disease/famine/natives.

I'm sorry, I'm really not into the idea. Maybe later, when I have some more time to study it.

[Reatra]

Frankly, any Chinese in the Americas would get roflstomped pretty quickly. At this stage, there's essentially nowhere in the Americas that can really support a nation with enough population to stand up to the Europeans militarily in any way; you could unite all South America and barely have the numbers to stop Spain stomping you.

Nobody even knows Cali is anything but desert yet.

I've got awhile.

[Carathon]

Does the Papal States still exist?

Nope, currently part of Spain. However, Lunas expressed some interest in possibly spitting out the Papal States and other Italian nations he holds. I dunno if that is gonna go anywhere.

Where is the Pope?

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Nope, currently part of Spain. However, Lunas expressed some interest in possibly spitting out the Papal States and other Italian nations he holds. I dunno if that is gonna go anywhere.

Where is the Pope?

We can assume he is still in Rome. Probably a "Prisoner in the Vatican", depending on how much authority the Spaniards decide to give him.

[Carathon]

Where is the Pope?

We can assume he is still in Rome. Probably a "Prisoner in the Vatican", depending on how much authority the Spaniards decide to give him.

That just won't do at all.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Anti-pope anyone?

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

We can assume he is still in Rome. Probably a "Prisoner in the Vatican", depending on how much authority the Spaniards decide to give him.

That's just won't do at all.

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

I mean if Scotia were Catholic she would be inclined to agree.

[Alleniana]

Frankly, any Chinese in the Americas would get roflstomped pretty quickly. At this stage, there's essentially nowhere in the Americas that can really support a nation with enough population to stand up to the Europeans militarily in any way; you could unite all South America and barely have the numbers to stop Spain stomping you.

Nobody even knows Cali is anything but desert yet.

I've got awhile.

Land is clay, gib clay.

[Carathon]

That's just won't do at all.

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

I mean if Scotia were Catholic she would be inclined to agree.

Protestant, are we now?

[Reatra]

Nobody even knows Cali is anything but desert yet.

I've got awhile.

Land is clay, gib clay.

I've got 80 years before anyone decides (hey, we should see if Cali is a thing), and with the way the Europeans have not colonized in this TL, it looks more like 100 years.

[Kryskov]

Land is clay, gib clay.

I've got 80 years before anyone decides (hey, we should see if Cali is a thing), and with the way the Europeans have not colonized in this TL, it looks more like 100 years.

Assuming I'm saying it's okay, which it's not.

[Reatra]

I've got 80 years before anyone decides (hey, we should see if Cali is a thing), and with the way the Europeans have not colonized in this TL, it looks more like 100 years.

Assuming I'm saying it's okay, which it's not.

For what reason?

Russian pirates were in Cali in the late 1600s. I assume Japanese are no different.

[Lingria]

Romania,Ethiopia (Me) is Catholic,But my nation is in Africa and 1701 politics say "Ew....Its a black guy" so pfft...

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Land is clay, gib clay.

I've got 80 years before anyone decides (hey, we should see if Cali is a thing), and with the way the Europeans have not colonized in this TL, it looks more like 100 years.

One reason the Europeans haven't colonized as heavily as many would expect is people are largely being polite over claims, a little too polite imo.

At this point in time almost all of South America's coastline should be claimed, as with the Mexican coastline. I would happily nom on more land, but I'm too tiny of a nation to grab it.

Spain should have a large portion of South America (this is the main issue with not having an independent Portugal, most of SA goes to mega-Spain). We also lack the Dutch (also eaten by Spain) which eliminates another colonial power. The English are in Mexico, which is k and the Frenchies where the English would historically be.

At this point in time we might as well just divide up South America between the various colonial powers. I cannot foresee another European nation being accepted that can support colonies.

[Kryskov]

UK would've taken more land, but I felt like, with the Scottish and Irish not being a part of the kingdom, there's not a ton of people who want to leave the nation. Kanada is probably the only colony that is actual "nativez gib clay rororo." Mexico is really complicated, with the large Mexican native tribes being destroyed violently and diseasely, but with smaller ones engaging in a simple trade and protection system. The Caribbean Islands are pretty much just big plantations with slaves and stuff.

[Alleniana]

And New Israel can't really utilise or protect land effectively.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

UK would've taken more land, but I felt like, with the Scottish and Irish not being a part of the kingdom, there's not a ton of people who want to leave the nation. Kanada is probably the only colony that is actual "nativez gib clay rororo." Mexico is really complicated, with the large Mexican native tribes being destroyed violently and diseasely, but with smaller ones engaging in a simple trade and protection system. The Caribbean Islands are pretty much just big plantations with slaves and stuff.

Which ofc is fine, but keep in mind the idea of money and religious freedom also helped largely move people to the new world. Most of the colonists in the Thirteen Colonies were either English and Anglican or English and another form of Protestant/Reformed. I'm sure the same religious tensions between groups such as the Anglicans, Puritans, Quakers, etc. still existed and instead of heading to New England and the Mid-Atlantic and eventually Dixie, just send them off to Mexico.

Anyways, here's a map I just did up to show how I think we can easily divvy up Central/South America among the colonial powers: http://i.imgur.com/UrVQoNd.png

Everyone who has colonies elsewhere (minus Sweden bc they have their Asian colonies so they don't need to join the Central/South American party) get some form of land that is somewhat proportionate to their homeland or other colonies. Spain gets to be the biggest bc they have Castile, Portugal, and the Netherlands, all of which hella colonized everywhere.

Argentina was largely not fully colonized by 1700, so leaving that area open isn't totally historically inaccurate.

Just something to think about.

[Alleniana]

Wondering why Australia is colonised. At this point in time, it'd be far more profitable to colonise the Pampas or something.

Also, I think colonies in the Americas could even do with more expansion.

[Kryskov]

nonononononononononononnonono

Mexico is Danish.

[Valentir]

UK would've taken more land, but I felt like, with the Scottish and Irish not being a part of the kingdom, there's not a ton of people who want to leave the nation. Kanada is probably the only colony that is actual "nativez gib clay rororo." Mexico is really complicated, with the large Mexican native tribes being destroyed violently and diseasely, but with smaller ones engaging in a simple trade and protection system. The Caribbean Islands are pretty much just big plantations with slaves and stuff.

Which ofc is fine, but keep in mind the idea of money and religious freedom also helped largely move people to the new world. Most of the colonists in the Thirteen Colonies were either English and Anglican or English and another form of Protestant/Reformed. I'm sure the same religious tensions between groups such as the Anglicans, Puritans, Quakers, etc. still existed and instead of heading to New England and the Mid-Atlantic and eventually Dixie, just send them off to Mexico.

Anyways, here's a map I just did up to show how I think we can easily divvy up Central/South America among the colonial powers: http://i.imgur.com/UrVQoNd.png

Everyone who has colonies elsewhere (minus Sweden bc they have their Asian colonies so they don't need to join the Central/South American party) get some form of land that is somewhat proportionate to their homeland or other colonies. Spain gets to be the biggest bc they have Castile, Portugal, and the Netherlands, all of which hella colonized everywhere.

Argentina was largely not fully colonized by 1700, so leaving that area open isn't totally historically inaccurate.

Just something to think about.

Austria into South America!

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Wondering why Australia is colonised. At this point in time, it'd be far more profitable to colonise the Pampas or something.

Also, I think colonies in the Americas could even do with more expansion.

Here's a map of the world in 1700.

It's a little more blobby than my map, but they are not too dissimilar. I forgot how much further they could expand into the Peru-Bolivia area so that area on my map will be a little smaller than it was historically.

nonononononononononononnonono

Mexico is Danish.

Do you want all of Mexico? I thought you only wanted the part you claimed. If not, no point in not expanding your claim to include more of Mexico, seeing as no one else has.

[Lingria]

Wondering why Australia is colonised. At this point in time, it'd be far more profitable to colonise the Pampas or something.

Also, I think colonies in the Americas could even do with more expansion.

Here's a map of the world in 1700.

It's a little more blobby than my map, but they are not too dissimilar. I forgot how much further they could expand into the Peru-Bolivia area so that area on my map will be a little smaller than it was historically.

nonononononononononononnonono

Mexico is Danish.

Do you want all of Mexico? I thought you only wanted the part you claimed. If not, no point in not expanding your claim to include more of Mexico, seeing as no one else has.

;-; I thought my nation was bigger, *wimpers*
Also highly inaccurate

[Alleniana]

Wondering why Australia is colonised. At this point in time, it'd be far more profitable to colonise the Pampas or something.

Also, I think colonies in the Americas could even do with more expansion.

Here's a map of the world in 1700.

It's a little more blobby than my map, but they are not too dissimilar. I forgot how much further they could expand into the Peru-Bolivia area so that area on my map will be a little smaller than it was historically.

I mean, inland Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Bolivia, Louisiana, California, Great Lakes, all of those seem to be missing, and all of them on the 1700 world map.
An AH with less colonisation wouldn't be bad though.