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Postby Rynagria » Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:13 am

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Ulvenes wrote:I would say '41 was closer to mid war.

PPSH also didn't have that much stopping power since the round was smaller than that of the M1 Carbine, it just had a ROF higher than most machine guns.

As far as mid war goes my favorite would be the MKb 42.


Change early and late war to favorite and second favorite. And the PPSH didn't have the stopping power through a single bullet, but the rof have it it's stopping power.

Yeah....

You empty an entire magazine on a person at close-range and they become just a lump of meat....
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Postby Perestroikavo » Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:19 am

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Change early and late war to favorite and second favorite. And the PPSH didn't have the stopping power through a single bullet, but the rof have it it's stopping power.

Yeah....

You empty an entire magazine on a person at close-range and they become just a lump of meat....


Well, that's the point. Come to think of it, the DP-28 wasn't a bad machinegun at all, it was just outshined by the MG series at the time due to them being fantastic machineguns.
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Postby Rynagria » Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:28 am

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Rynagria wrote:Yeah....

You empty an entire magazine on a person at close-range and they become just a lump of meat....


Well, that's the point. Come to think of it, the DP-28 wasn't a bad machinegun at all, it was just outshined by the MG series at the time due to them being fantastic machineguns.

Well the difference was that the DP machine gun lacked the ability of continuous fire, since it was magazine fed, and it also lacked a quick-change barrel feature compared to the MG42.

But otherwise, I think it was a better support weapon then the BAR from the prone position, the Bren Gun was good at both, while the BAR focused more on being able to aim while firing.
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Postby Stormhound » Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:30 am

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What? I'm not refuting that.

The only turreted light tank they had at that stage was a prototype that sucked.

I just wasn't sure about that info I was saying, and I was across that you'd chew me out for getting something wrong.... :unsure:

What was the light armed with?


The Ansaldo 5 ton was armed with a 37mm L/26 gun. Remember I once showed you the version where the gun's in the hull? There were versions with 8mm in the turret, and I'm not sure whether the 20mm Breda was ever used, or it was only until the L6/40.

I suppose I might be harsh, because the 5 ton was fully operational and actually appeared to maneuver well enough in photos. It only went 32 - 38 kph on road though, and had 80 km/h maximum range. It would have probably been butchered by anything that wasn't a Carro Veloce or Panzer I.
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Postby Rynagria » Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:34 am

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Rynagria wrote:I just wasn't sure about that info I was saying, and I was across that you'd chew me out for getting something wrong.... :unsure:

What was the light armed with?


The Ansaldo 5 ton was armed with a 37mm L/26 gun. Remember I once showed you the version where the gun's in the hull? There were versions with 8mm in the turret, and I'm not sure whether the 20mm Breda was ever used, or it was only until the L6/40.

I suppose I might be harsh, because the 5 ton was fully operational and actually appeared to maneuver well enough in photos. It only went 32 - 38 kph on road though, and had 80 km/h maximum range. It would have probably been butchered by anything that wasn't a Carro Veloce or Panzer I.

Wow......
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Postby Stormhound » Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:38 am

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The Ansaldo 5 ton was armed with a 37mm L/26 gun. Remember I once showed you the version where the gun's in the hull? There were versions with 8mm in the turret, and I'm not sure whether the 20mm Breda was ever used, or it was only until the L6/40.

I suppose I might be harsh, because the 5 ton was fully operational and actually appeared to maneuver well enough in photos. It only went 32 - 38 kph on road though, and had 80 km/h maximum range. It would have probably been butchered by anything that wasn't a Carro Veloce or Panzer I.

Wow......


It was basically an interim vehicle between the CV-35 and L6/40. Probably the reason it never really had a name because it was never set to be a production vehicle. Although I'd like to see how that 37mm (in a turret) would do in Tankathlon.
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Postby Perestroikavo » Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:49 am

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Well the difference was that the DP machine gun lacked the ability of continuous fire, since it was magazine fed, and it also lacked a quick-change barrel feature compared to the MG42.

But otherwise, I think it was a better support weapon then the BAR from the prone position, the Bren Gun was good at both, while the BAR focused more on being able to aim while firing.


Well, unless you were firing constantly for about ten minutes straight with that thing, you wouldn't particularly need to change the barrel that often. But yes, the pan mag was a problem for suppresing fire. The Bren was a fantastic LMG for the time, the BAR to me seemed more like an assault rifle, to be honest. And I won't even comment on Hitler's buzzsaw.
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Postby Ulvenes » Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:40 pm

I wouldn't mind calling the DP 28 a good machine gun. Especially since one burst is the same as 3 shots from a bolt action rifle right Perestroikavo? :p

But still. I can't imagine it was that great at maneuverability since it had that big UFO on it.
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Postby Rynagria » Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:48 pm

Stormhound wrote:It was basically an interim vehicle between the CV-35 and L6/40. Probably the reason it never really had a name because it was never set to be a production vehicle. Although I'd like to see how that 37mm (in a turret) would do in Tankathlon.

I think the main gun would perform similar to the 57mm Howitzer on the Duck Team's Type 89 Medium tank...... You would have to aim for certain spots to knock out something like the CV-33.

But that's just my guess.

Perestroikavo wrote:Well, unless you were firing constantly for about ten minutes straight with that thing, you wouldn't particularly need to change the barrel that often. But yes, the pan mag was a problem for suppresing fire. The Bren was a fantastic LMG for the time, the BAR to me seemed more like an assault rifle, to be honest. And I won't even comment on Hitler's buzzsaw.

Well, the M1918A2 was an Automatic Rifle, so...... It was simply placed in the light machine gun role because they had no alternative, it was an effective Squad Automatic Weapon though. The MG42 was a more like a light machine gun, light enough to be carried by a single person, but able to put massive amounts of suppressive fire. I kinda like the MG34, since it was better suited for the GPMG role the MG42 could fulfill.

Ulvenes wrote:I wouldn't mind calling the DP 28 a good machine gun. Especially since one burst is the same as 3 shots from a bolt action rifle right Perestroikavo? :p

But still. I can't imagine it was that great at maneuverability since it had that big UFO on it.

Well at least it wasn't the Chauchat............

How about this, what are y'all's favorite Pre-1930's gun?
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Postby Ulvenes » Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:28 pm

See that's different though. The Chauchat was made in 1908 when automatic rifles were still kind of a taboo.

Pre 1930's?
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Postby Perestroikavo » Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:02 am

If I had to choose a pred 1930s gun, it would be the M91 Mosin Nagant.
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Postby Ulvenes » Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:52 am

Perestroikavo wrote:If I had to choose a pred 1930s gun, it would be the M91 Mosin Nagant.


Tommy gun would rape your shit. :p
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Postby Rynagria » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:26 am

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Perestroikavo wrote:If I had to choose a pred 1930s gun, it would be the M91 Mosin Nagant.


Tommy gun would rape your shit. :p

Up until the target runs away and stays there at 300 yards........

But the M1903 Springfield or M1917 Enfield was my favorite, but there might be something that could beat your choice, mine, and his....

Any of you guys heard of the Fedorov Avatomat?
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Postby Perestroikavo » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:35 am

But the M1903 Springfield or M1917 Enfield was my favorite, but there might be something that could beat your choice, mine, and his....

Any of you guys heard of the Fedorov Avatomat?


If it doesn't jam on your third shot, sure it was great. Problem being that it was about as reliable as an Albanian goat herder.
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Postby Ulvenes » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:36 am

Perestroikavo wrote:If it doesn't jam on your third shot, sure it was great. Problem being that it was about as reliable as an Albanian goat herder.


Also wasn't as mass produced as it could have been, considering how old it was during WWII.
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Postby Rynagria » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:38 am

Perestroikavo wrote:
But the M1903 Springfield or M1917 Enfield was my favorite, but there might be something that could beat your choice, mine, and his....

Any of you guys heard of the Fedorov Avatomat?


If it doesn't jam on your third shot, sure it was great. Problem being that it was about as reliable as an Albanian goat herder.

Well, if hadn't been introduced for WWI, it would have faired better....... Like the Ross rifle..

That aside, what WWI Tank would you guys have wanted to own, ride, or think is generally the best for that time?
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Postby Perestroikavo » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:42 am

A7V. The only time axis armor was better than allied...
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Postby Ulvenes » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:44 am

Perestroikavo wrote:A7V. The only time axis armor was better than allied...


Very debatable.
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Postby Rynagria » Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:47 am

Perestroikavo wrote:A7V. The only time axis armor was better than allied...

Except for that fact that it was incapable of being mass produced and that the Renault was better and wasn't that much of a death trap compared to the other designs of the time.
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Postby Perestroikavo » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:02 pm

Rynagria wrote:
Perestroikavo wrote:A7V. The only time axis armor was better than allied...

Except for that fact that it was incapable of being mass produced and that the Renault was better and wasn't that much of a death trap compared to the other designs of the time.


It was superior in the fact that it filled the role of tanks in WW2 better than any others, which was supporting infantry. Admittidly, it ran into problems when it fought other armor, but against infantry the thing was a killing machine.
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Postby Rynagria » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:52 pm

Alisa from the Saunders team seems more likely to show up more than other people GuP outside of the Oorai school.

She's in a Tankathalon team....
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Postby Ulvenes » Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:09 pm

Every time I learn more about WH40K I lose a little faith in Sci-Fi.
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Postby Rynagria » Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:31 pm

Ulvenes wrote:Every time I learn more about WH40K I lose a little faith in Sci-Fi.

Why?
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Postby Stormhound » Thu Mar 05, 2015 1:40 pm

Rynagria wrote:Alisa from the Saunders team seems more likely to show up more than other people GuP outside of the Oorai school.

She's in a Tankathalon team....


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