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Postby Rynagria » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:02 am

Ulvenes wrote:Panzer IV's after the F1 came with increased frontal armor.
I think. I know they came with increased armor but not sure about when it started.

Most materials that I found says they started with the D model, not the F1...

So they wouldn't have the extra bolted on front armor.
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Postby Ulvenes » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:03 am

Like I said, I'm not sure when they started standardizing add-on armor.
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Postby Rynagria » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:37 am

I got bored, so I planned my tank progression if a reboot happens.

Bishop---->Churchill I---->Churchill III--->Black Prince (Maybe)

Cruiser Mk IV--->Covenanter Mk III--->Crusader Mk II--->Cromwell Vw--->Comet

Ulvenes wrote:Like I said, I'm not sure when they started standardizing add-on armor.

Okay.
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Postby New Italian Republicjr » Tue Feb 17, 2015 1:38 pm

Ulvenes wrote:Like I said, I'm not sure when they started standardizing add-on armor.

I am pretty sure it was the "Panzer III ausf L"Image or the "Panzer III ausf N" Image

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Postby Stormhound » Tue Feb 17, 2015 4:52 pm

New Italian Republicjr wrote:
Ulvenes wrote:The Italian, and honestly the early German 'medium tank' titles confuse me. Most of Italian armor is light IMO(and for good reason), and the Panzer III is more of a light tank than a medium tank to me, but I guess comparing to the Panzer I and II it would be a medium tank.

Well Italians did not have lots of flat land.


As someone who lives in Appalachia, I sympathize.
Rynagria wrote:Wouldn't the 47mm have trouble with the M3 Medium, Panzer IV, and StuG III frontally?

And the M3's guns could penetrate most of Anzio tanks pretty consistently, while the StuG would be able to penetrate everyone of their tanks.

Also, reboot?


While the StuG III had the best gun in the game, it lacks traversing, and knowing Anzio's sneakiness, it wouldn't be too difficult to stage an ambush on it's flanks. While the Panzer IV could take out a M13/40 or M15/42 with ease, the Semovente 75/18 can penetrate it at ranges of 1,000 meters with a HEAT round (which I assume they were using. It would have been impossible to take out the StuG otherwise.) the tank destroyer has up to 50mm of frontal armor.

There are accounts of battles between M13/40, M14/41 (which was really nothing more than a M13/40 with a few minor modifications and new engine) and the M3 Grant. In nearly all of them, the M13/40 and M14/41 managed to perform well, there wouldn't really be too large a technological gap.

Duck Team would be out in less than no time.

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Postby New Italian Republicjr » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:18 pm

Stormhound, i used to live in Glorious Italia, but we moved now i am in the Illumanati states of America. I hate this place i want to go back to Italy but my mother has a job here and my father started a buissness, DAMN YOU DEMOCRATIC ASSHOLES! (Not you though, your fine in my book.)

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Postby Perestroikavo » Tue Feb 17, 2015 6:16 pm

New Italian Republicjr wrote:Stormhound, i used to live in Glorious Italia, but we moved now i am in the Illumanati states of America. I hate this place i want to go back to Italy but my mother has a job here and my father started a buissness, DAMN YOU DEMOCRATIC ASSHOLES! (Not you though, your fine in my book.)


Are you trying to be blatantly offensive? America is a far cry from a perfect country, but I have a better life here than in Belarus. It's annoying to hear people like you insult it. Especially when you mention illuminati. Also, if memory serves, your first post in this thread was bashing it.
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Postby Rynagria » Tue Feb 17, 2015 6:20 pm

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New Italian Republicjr wrote:Stormhound, i used to live in Glorious Italia, but we moved now i am in the Illumanati states of America. I hate this place i want to go back to Italy but my mother has a job here and my father started a buissness, DAMN YOU DEMOCRATIC ASSHOLES! (Not you though, your fine in my book.)


Are you trying to be blatantly offensive? America is a far cry from a perfect country, but I have a better life here than in Belarus. It's annoying to hear people like you insult it. Especially when you mention illuminati. Also, if memory serves, your first post in this thread was bashing it.

Per, don't feed it.... The fire's only going to get bigger.

And he has his rights....... He just feels the need to be extremely nationalistic, which means being blinded by his bias.
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Postby New Besancon » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:17 pm

I'm going to start out with French tanks, and may then move over to the Japanese later on. And if that doesn't work, then I guess I'll have to settle for German tanks. >-<
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Postby New Besancon » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:38 pm

Are you guy's going to change our application/ tank crews for the reboot?
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Postby Ulvenes » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:44 pm

Perestroikavo wrote:Are you trying to be blatantly offensive? America is a far cry from a perfect country, but I have a better life here than in Belarus. It's annoying to hear people like you insult it. Especially when you mention illuminati. Also, if memory serves, your first post in this thread was bashing it.


You become more and more awesome every week. :P

New Besancon wrote:settle for German tanks.


What is this settle? German tanks were magnificent vehicles.

Also no, I'm not going to change my crew. I like my crew of canine girls :P
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Postby Rynagria » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:45 pm

New Besancon wrote:Are you guy's going to change our application/ tank crews for the reboot?

I'm going to change some things and possibly combine personalities with my other characters from the GuP RP this started with:
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Postby New Besancon » Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:13 pm

I say settle for German tanks because it's not that I think they're bad, rather I simply like French and Japanese tanks more.
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Postby Rynagria » Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:19 pm

Hmm, it seems there is not many people who like American tanks in this thread that much.......
Well not after North Arkana left, even then he wasn't a real advocate for them.
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Postby Ulvenes » Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:23 pm

Rynagria wrote:Hmm, it seems there is not many people who like American tanks in this thread that much.......
Well not after North Arkana left, even then he wasn't a real advocate for them.


U.S. tanks would be my second choice.
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Postby Rynagria » Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:26 pm

Ulvenes wrote:
Rynagria wrote:Hmm, it seems there is not many people who like American tanks in this thread that much.......
Well not after North Arkana left, even then he wasn't a real advocate for them.


U.S. tanks would be my second choice.

But they aren't your first, which is my point.

I mean nobody here seems like they would defend the Sherman or something......
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Postby Ulvenes » Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:28 pm

Don't you remember? Everyone from us to Fin and Mon have agreed that the Sherman was the greatest tank of WWII.
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Postby Rynagria » Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:30 pm

Ulvenes wrote:Don't you remember? Everyone from us to Fin and Mon have agreed that the Sherman was the greatest tank of WWII.

I remembered that we all remembered that we agreed to disagree and just left the topic..... :meh:
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Postby New Besancon » Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:38 pm

Ulvenes wrote:Don't you remember? Everyone from us to Fin and Mon have agreed that the Sherman was the greatest tank of WWII.


You guys thought the Sherman was the greatest tank of WWII? Now, I've been amazed by the knowledge of tanks you guys have shown you had throughout this thread, to the point where I felt a bit overwhelmed,

But really? The Sherman?
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Postby Ulvenes » Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:47 pm

Rynagria wrote:I remembered that we all remembered that we agreed to disagree and just left the topic..... :meh:


I remember us agreeing that the Sherman was the best, combining firepower, mobility, enough armor to keep it safe from small arms.

New Besancon wrote:You guys thought the Sherman was the greatest tank of WWII? Now, I've been amazed by the knowledge of tanks you guys have shown you had throughout this thread, to the point where I felt a bit overwhelmed,

But really? The Sherman?


Yes. As I stated above, it has a great balance in The Holy Trinity of the tank. Having a good gun, great mobility, and decent armor. It fought on more fronts than any other tank in WWII, fighting in Africa, and both Western and Eastern Fronts, and combines quality with quantity. Not to mention it is highly modifiable.

Now, this isn't to say that there aren't tanks better than it, but it is much easier to maintain than the T-34, or the Panzer IV. Not to mention it can find strength in numbers.
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Postby New Besancon » Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:57 pm

I can see where you are coming from. I based my thoughts on that it was rather inferior to the German Panzer during it's campaign in France and Germany. But yes, it has a great balance. However, I like to split the war into three parts. 1939-1941, 1942-1943, and 1944-1945. I would like to see your opinion for each of these time periods, on which is the best tank at that time.
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Postby Perestroikavo » Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:00 pm

Ulvenes wrote:
Perestroikavo wrote:Are you trying to be blatantly offensive? America is a far cry from a perfect country, but I have a better life here than in Belarus. It's annoying to hear people like you insult it. Especially when you mention illuminati. Also, if memory serves, your first post in this thread was bashing it.


You become more and more awesome every week. :P

New Besancon wrote:settle for German tanks.


What is this settle? German tanks were magnificent vehicles.

Also no, I'm not going to change my crew. I like my crew of canine girls :P


Thank you very much. Into my sig you go. (if it's okay.)

Also, I still think it's the T-34, but who cares about my lowly opinion, xD
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Postby Rynagria » Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:06 pm

New Besancon wrote:I can see where you are coming from. I based my thoughts on that it was rather inferior to the German Panzer during it's campaign in France and Germany. But yes, it has a great balance. However, I like to split the war into three parts. 1939-1941, 1942-1943, and 1944-1945. I would like to see your opinion for each of these time periods, on which is the best tank at that time.

1939-1941: Panzer 38(t)
1942-1943: T-34/76 Model 1942/43
1944-1945: M4 Sherman variants

Perestroikavo wrote:Thank you very much. Into my sig you go. (if it's okay.)

Also, I still think it's the T-34, but who cares about my lowly opinion, xD

To each his own, and plus I really can't disrespect the tank that helped win the war in the pacific...

Well except in Iwo, Shermans were pretty much slaughtered there.
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Postby New Besancon » Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:08 pm

Panzer 38? Why?
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