The Lost Civilizations - OOC/Signups

[United Soviet Jason Republic]

OH MY GOD DID BYTHON JUST CONQUER NEW ZYRAS?!?!!??!?!?!?

*Points*

You see, THAT is your issue! Don't mind me!
*Continues to use maul other eastern nations*
What, scram! Take the oil!

[Levis Avara]

OH MY GOD DID BYTHON JUST CONQUER NEW ZYRAS?!?!!??!?!?!?

*Points*

You see, THAT is your issue! Don't mind me!
*Continues to use maul other eastern nations*
What, scram! Take the oil!

You're right Leto!!
I'll turn my back and beat Bython to a pulp and take that oil while I'm at it.
winks eye and pretends to ignore the air raids and explosions

[New Fraulasia]

*Points*

You see, THAT is your issue! Don't mind me!
*Continues to use maul other eastern nations*
What, scram! Take the oil!

You're right Leto!!
I'll turn my back and beat Bython to a pulp and take that oil while I'm at it.
winks eye and pretends to ignore the air raids and explosions

I strongly dislike you right now, Levis.

To USJR:
I'm going to respond to your post about planning to attack Lotill soon. Please allow me to compose this post before your assault.

To New Straus:
It's a few days by land going to Fort Middle, no one in Goffsill actually knows the location of Fort Hope (or Fort Middle for that matter), and to get to Lotill from Goffsill you'd need to either go through swamp, go through Almain, or take another several-day long detour to the East.

[United Soviet Jason Republic]

You're right Leto!!
I'll turn my back and beat Bython to a pulp and take that oil while I'm at it.
winks eye and pretends to ignore the air raids and explosions

I strongly dislike you right now, Levis.

To USJR:
I'm going to respond to your post about planning to attack Lotill soon. Please allow me to compose this post before your assault.

Sure I will wait... Better that I am not posting... due to school and all that jazz. Also i want to start talking about the end of the war. I'd rather not have it a bunch of stern face people all trying to win and thinking they can beat everyone... For the sake of the story i would like an ending we can all agree on and work to. Or at least work with.

Also pac your going to kill me but i have the right to take over Seno Zhou Varada's civilization. He replied to me today... Here is the telegram.
"Go ahead because I'm not rejoining but may I request this as a reason. Non-violent vassalization."

[Levis Avara]

You're right Leto!!
I'll turn my back and beat Bython to a pulp and take that oil while I'm at it.
winks eye and pretends to ignore the air raids and explosions

I strongly dislike you right now, Levis.

To USJR:
I'm going to respond to your post about planning to attack Lotill soon. Please allow me to compose this post before your assault.

To New Straus:
It's a few days by land going to Fort Middle, no one in Goffsill actually knows the location of Fort Hope (or Fort Middle for that matter), and to get to Lotill from Goffsill you'd need to either go through swamp, go through Almain, or take another several-day long detour to the East.

Well I can't be everywhere Goffstill when Bython is defeated I'll help you militarily just be patient

[Levis Avara]

I strongly dislike you right now, Levis.

To USJR:
I'm going to respond to your post about planning to attack Lotill soon. Please allow me to compose this post before your assault.

Sure I will wait... Better that I am not posting... due to school and all that jazz. Also i want to start talking about the end of the war. I'd rather not have it a bunch of stern face people all trying to win and thinking they can beat everyone... For the sake of the story i would like an ending we can all agree on and work to. Or at least work with.

Also pac your going to kill me but i have the right to take over Seno Zhou Varada's civilization. He replied to me today... Here is the telegram.
"Go ahead because I'm not rejoining but may I request this as a reason. Non-violent vassalization."

Um no

[United Soviet Jason Republic]

Um no

What is so wrong? A marriage or integration of some sort. Personally I was planning to use the nation merger mechanic. I don't see what is so wrong with that... We can be friends! More oil! Who doesn't like that?

[Levis Avara]

Um no

What is so wrong? A marriage or integration of some sort. Personally I was planning to use the nation merger mechanic. I don't see what is so wrong with that... We can be friends! More oil! Who doesn't like that?

Hmm there's a limit to how strong you can be Leto I think we all know there's gonna be a war of liberation for Goffstill and I can't have a potential enemy so close.....Also my Empire is prehaps the largest in the World I have hidden oil reserves somewhere......

[United Soviet Jason Republic]

What is so wrong? A marriage or integration of some sort. Personally I was planning to use the nation merger mechanic. I don't see what is so wrong with that... We can be friends! More oil! Who doesn't like that?

Hmm there's a limit to how strong you can be Leto I think we all know there's gonna be a war of liberation for Goffstill and I can't have a potential enemy so close.....Also my Empire is prehaps the largest in the World I have hidden oil reserves somewhere......

But you see, I am not your enemy. Or at least I don't have to be. You want to know how much land i gain from this war? None. I gain nothing really from this war. However why limit me? I can be a very good ally, as shown from this war. I gain nothing but I am helping someone else. My nation can be a very good trade partner. If i have OOC allowance to take Seno's nation I want to do it. I don't want to be your enemy and I don't have to be one if you don't make me it.

[Levis Avara]

Hmm there's a limit to how strong you can be Leto I think we all know there's gonna be a war of liberation for Goffstill and I can't have a potential enemy so close.....Also my Empire is prehaps the largest in the World I have hidden oil reserves somewhere......

But you see, I am not your enemy. Or at least I don't have to be. You want to know how much land i gain from this war? None. I gain nothing really from this war. However why limit me? I can be a very good ally, as shown from this war. I gain nothing but I am helping someone else. My nation can be a very good trade partner. If i have OOC allowance to take Seno's nation I want to do it. I don't want to be your enemy and I don't have to be one if you don't make me it.

Its less about you and more about how a slave bearing, and dictatorial nation is Expanding into the South conquering peaceful nations and forcing their oppressive rule on innocent people.No I will not stand for this at all.You can avoid war by revoking the Alliance between the both of you.

Also seeing how New Zyras is up for grabs you may have the Eastern half of the Nation BUT a buffer Republic well separate us .Also Siochanna will be ceded to me.This is the only thing I well agree to.

[New Fraulasia]

But you see, I am not your enemy. Or at least I don't have to be. You want to know how much land i gain from this war? None. I gain nothing really from this war. However why limit me? I can be a very good ally, as shown from this war. I gain nothing but I am helping someone else. My nation can be a very good trade partner. If i have OOC allowance to take Seno's nation I want to do it. I don't want to be your enemy and I don't have to be one if you don't make me it.

Its less about you and more about how a slave bearing, and dictatorial nation is Expanding into the South conquering peaceful nations and forcing their oppressive rule on innocent people.No I will not stand for this at all.You can avoid war by revoking the Alliance between the both of you.

Also seeing how New Zyras is up for grabs you may have the Eastern half of the Nation BUT a buffer Republic well separate us .Also Siochanna will be ceded to me.This is the only thing I well agree to.

I don't dislike you any more Levis.

[United Soviet Jason Republic]

But you see, I am not your enemy. Or at least I don't have to be. You want to know how much land i gain from this war? None. I gain nothing really from this war. However why limit me? I can be a very good ally, as shown from this war. I gain nothing but I am helping someone else. My nation can be a very good trade partner. If i have OOC allowance to take Seno's nation I want to do it. I don't want to be your enemy and I don't have to be one if you don't make me it.

Its less about you and more about how a slave bearing, and dictatorial nation is Expanding into the South conquering peaceful nations and forcing their oppressive rule on innocent people.No I will not stand for this at all.You can avoid war by revoking the Alliance between the both of you.

Also seeing how New Zyras is up for grabs you may have the Eastern half of the Nation BUT a buffer Republic well separate us .Also Siochanna will be ceded to me.This is the only thing I well agree to.

I assume Siochanna is a city? Also i don't have slaves and my nation is actually less of a dictatorship now. I mean the king was elected by the ruler of the tribes that formed the base of the nation. Also who will control this buffer state? Why won't you have better relations with me? Unless you want to deliberately have bad relations for the sake of the story.

I don't dislike you any more Levis.

That changed mighty fast... Also when is the ETA on the reply?

[New Fraulasia]

Its less about you and more about how a slave bearing, and dictatorial nation is Expanding into the South conquering peaceful nations and forcing their oppressive rule on innocent people.No I will not stand for this at all.You can avoid war by revoking the Alliance between the both of you.

Also seeing how New Zyras is up for grabs you may have the Eastern half of the Nation BUT a buffer Republic well separate us .Also Siochanna will be ceded to me.This is the only thing I well agree to.

I assume Siochanna is a city? Also i don't have slaves and my nation is actually less of a dictatorship now. I mean the king was elected by the ruler of the tribes that formed the base of the nation. Also who will control this buffer state? Why won't you have better relations with me? Unless you want to deliberately have bad relations for the sake of the story.

I don't dislike you any more Levis.

That changed mighty fast... Also when is the ETA on the reply?

He's talking about The Despotism. And I'm a mercurial person.

[Levis Avara]

I assume Siochanna is a city? Also i don't have slaves and my nation is actually less of a dictatorship now. I mean the king was elected by the ruler of the tribes that formed the base of the nation. Also who will control this buffer state? Why won't you have better relations with me? Unless you want to deliberately have bad relations for the sake of the story.



That changed mighty fast... Also when is the ETA on the reply?

He's talking about The Despotism. And I'm a mercurial person.

Yes and I believe a npc will control the buffer nation until further notice....

[United Soviet Jason Republic]

Yes and I believe a npc will control the buffer nation until further notice....

I will think about it. Most likely I will post when i get Fraulasia's reply. The integration will take a few years. In that time the NPC state might form...

[New Strausberg]

You're right Leto!!
I'll turn my back and beat Bython to a pulp and take that oil while I'm at it.
winks eye and pretends to ignore the air raids and explosions

I strongly dislike you right now, Levis.

To USJR:
I'm going to respond to your post about planning to attack Lotill soon. Please allow me to compose this post before your assault.

To New Straus:
It's a few days by land going to Fort Middle, no one in Goffsill actually knows the location of Fort Hope (or Fort Middle for that matter), and to get to Lotill from Goffsill you'd need to either go through swamp, go through Almain, or take another several-day long detour to the East.

Ohh my mistake idk where I messed up, I thought it was still somewhere in your main territory idk where I read what I was thinking. Should I change it or is it to late now?

[Pac Kindom]

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Sure I will wait... Better that I am not posting... due to school and all that jazz. Also i want to start talking about the end of the war. I'd rather not have it a bunch of stern face people all trying to win and thinking they can beat everyone... For the sake of the story i would like an ending we can all agree on and work to. Or at least work with.

Also pac your going to kill me but i have the right to take over Seno Zhou Varada's civilization. He replied to me today... Here is the telegram.
"Go ahead because I'm not rejoining but may I request this as a reason. Non-violent vassalization."

Sorrry thought it was a dead nation, i deleted the post

[Pac Kindom]

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[Harkback Union]

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/airfri.html

This is what I used to estimate the air resistance.
I got the drag coefficient for Cylinders from some other place.

Again, In your examples, The aircraft couldn't Intercept the airships. By intercepting, They mean getting to the airship. That's an entire different story. Airplanes build up their speed over time. If they have speed beyond what they need to stay afloat, They can use it to quickly climb altitude. They in turn, lose speed. If they want to increase their altitude by tens of thousands of feet, They can't use this tactic. They have to ascend slowly and rely on their engine's power to gain the energy they need to climb higher. My aircraft are already within shooting distance and have a large velocity from the climb which they can use to ascend.

In my example the aircraft were outclimbed by the airships. It's not that they could climb to the same altitude as the airships; its that they couldn't keep up with the airships when both ship and plane were climbing. Certainly it would be easier to attempt to catch an airship from the same altitude, but you'll notice that the example clearly distinguished between being outclimbed and the airships being too high to catch as different scenarios. Airplanes do build up speed over time, but they also have a max speed.

Also, Aircraft at that time were light and had several wings to withstand the pressure during quick maneuvers. They could dive bomb and circle around at great velocities, which they did all the time during dogfights. Also My planes are sports planes (plane racers). At least this wing. The rest are crappy but not these.

Sure, they had a lot of wings to withstand the forces of maneuvering. The reason that worked, though, is because maneuvers were as a rule of thumb done at slow speeds. WWI dogfighting (the fastest maneuvering one would attempt) was conducted at about 110 kmph, tops. 110 kmph translates to 30 m/s; a prodigious amount of speed, but an amount of speed that would be shed very rapidly when climbing. WWI planes had to ascend slowly because most were essentially gliders with an engine to gain altitude; their speed came from speed built up from altitude, not the ability to independently maintain a speed. Given your planes were out of firing range when they pulled out of their dives, and had to pull up to enter that range, they'd be shedding speed at only slightly under the acceleration of gravity.

As noted in the example, "the BE2 took about 50 minutes to climb to 10,000 ft (3,000 m)." The BE2 was designed as a military fighter plane, meant to put up with more than any theoretical civilian racing plane. Despite the desire to win in a civilian setting, racing pilots have less of an imperative to do risky manuevers than a military plane which will be doing those manuevers in order to avoid being shot.

So, the BE2 had a climb speed of 3000 m in 50 minutes, or 60 m a minute. That translates to exactly one meter per second. Again, even if we increase that speed for a plane coming out of a dive, that's still slower than your theoretical climb speed for the LZ 18 after a few seconds.

So, we're looking at a climb-rate of 30 m/s for about five seconds, decreasing rapidly over those five seconds until it reaches the 1 m/s rate of early WWI fighters.

None of the examples you provided were cases were aircraft would be at their maximum speed, within shooting distance and at the same altitude as ascending airships.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoom_climb
Basically, When my aircraft ascend, They can temporarily achieve climb rates far beyond their average capabilities due to their kinetic energy. The airships don't have anything like this.
Of course, This tactic doesn't work on the long run. That's when average climb rates matter. In our case, Even If my planes turned off their engines, they could climb higher then the airships due to their kinetic energy, as explained by my equasions, at least for the time being.

The airships and my aircraft were inside the same cloud at the same time and escaped said cloud about the same time. We are pretty darn close. His machines guns even damaged my planes.

[Harkback Union]

Guys its not next Era Yet.

Also Goffsill, I take it you given up on making a map.
No problem though, I just hope what I make won't disappoint you.

[New Fraulasia]

Guys its not next Era Yet.

Also Goffsill, I take it you given up on making a map.
No problem though, I just hope what I make won't disappoint you.

Just two things I have to say about the map:
Fort Hope's established at the mountain west of the Metroplex, on the same river as Chenglei

Fort Middle's on the hill between Goffsill and the Metroplex.

[Harkback Union]

Guys its not next Era Yet.

Also Goffsill, I take it you given up on making a map.
No problem though, I just hope what I make won't disappoint you.

Just two things I have to say about the map:
Fort Hope's established at the mountain west of the Metroplex, on the same river as Chenglei

Fort Middle's on the hill between Goffsill and the Metroplex.

Got It.

Map is almost done.

[Harkback Union]

Ok so there is some stupid bug preventing me from uploading the maps.
hold on

EDIT:
Here they are:

Global map:
http://i.imgur.com/HEeTSN0.png
Made earlier, Does not include latest conquests. May also be missing some other things. Let everyone know.

Map Of Central Tredera - Prior to the outbreak of the war.
Clean version (you can add stuff to this like armies, army maneuvers and bases):
http://imgur.com/zpGBDYC


Central Tredera with text - In case the above map is confusing:
http://i.imgur.com/0F4RN6g.png

[Harkback Union]

I just thought that, Perhaps, PERHAPS, Players not involved in the Great Trederan War could join in by roleplaying Armies of either side.

[New Strausberg]

I just thought that, Perhaps, PERHAPS, Players not involved in the Great Trederan War could join in by roleplaying Armies of either side.

Sounds good to me