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[Pac Kindom]

What side should i join?

Harkback will pay you Millions if you sell us warplanes. We'll also pay you if you send an expeditionary force.

That what i came for , you mite want to rescue my people

[G-Tech Corporation]

Then hear my judgement; even using rain cloud as cover, as would occur in the climate of the fort at times, it would be functionally impossible to hide five large bombing airships from all sight. Given that they're operating at a low ceiling for accuracy, it's quite reasonable for aircraft to attack them and be aware of their presence, though the accuracy of those aircraft will be understandably lessened dramatically by the cloud.

Basically, zeppelins don't have the maneuverability control not instruments to ensure they're always within even a large cloud, so they could be seen by an astute observer on the ground or in the air. If that observer can communicate with warplanes, those warplanes could attack the zeppelins at their low ceiling, though the use if cloud as concealment makes it likely that the zeppelins would have emptied their bomb-holds before being engaged.

I mean my major issues are the fact the attacking force was created from scratch in less than a week and saw my force through a cloud that they were above. My argument is that they wouldn't be seen from above due to the cloud blocking the view. However they were seen from below.

Oh, so they were only using the cloud as a thing to hide under? Still, not much difference; clouds aren't generally uniformly opaque, nor do zeppelins have the maneuverability to ensure they aren't visible from bits poking out of sides. Unless it's an entire overcast later?

Hmm. A week to make an airforce? Did Zadox have planes and bombs before that week?

[United Soviet Jason Republic]

I mean my major issues are the fact the attacking force was created from scratch in less than a week and saw my force through a cloud that they were above. My argument is that they wouldn't be seen from above due to the cloud blocking the view. However they were seen from below.

Oh, so they were only using the cloud as a thing to hide under? Still, not much difference; clouds aren't generally uniformly opaque, nor do zeppelins have the maneuverability to ensure they aren't visible from bits poking out of sides. Unless it's an entire overcast later?

Hmm. A week to make an airforce? Did Zadox have planes and bombs before that week?

Civilian aircraft only. Also units were transferred to Iron built bases before the war started

[G-Tech Corporation]

Oh, so they were only using the cloud as a thing to hide under? Still, not much difference; clouds aren't generally uniformly opaque, nor do zeppelins have the maneuverability to ensure they aren't visible from bits poking out of sides. Unless it's an entire overcast later?

Hmm. A week to make an airforce? Did Zadox have planes and bombs before that week?

Civilian aircraft only. Also units were transferred to Iron built bases before the war started

So, the Iron slapped guns from their aircraft on Zadoxian civil models?

[United Soviet Jason Republic]

Civilian aircraft only. Also units were transferred to Iron built bases before the war started

So, the Iron slapped guns from their aircraft on Zadoxian civil models?

He bought them, had them seized by the government, re bought, flown by one person to an estate, moved by rail, gathered up pilots and slapped on the weapons and obtained weapons.

EDIT and by iron I mean my units were transferred to foward bases built by him

[Levis Avara]

Harkback will pay you Millions if you sell us warplanes. We'll also pay you if you send an expeditionary force.

That what i came for , you mite want to rescue my people

Rescue? I'm helping the Zadoxians and Goffstill you know

[G-Tech Corporation]

So, the Iron slapped guns from their aircraft on Zadoxian civil models?

He bought them, had them seized by the government, re bought, flown by one person to an estate, moved by rail, gathered up pilots and slapped on the weapons and obtained weapons.

EDIT and by iron I mean my units were transferred to foward bases built by him

So the Zadox Air Force is essentially civilian models with weapons strapped on and civilian pilots flying them?

Not to be harsh to Hark, but under that scenario, with hand-dropped bombs, Leto losing any airships is an outside possibility.

[Pac Kindom]

That what i came for , you mite want to rescue my people

Rescue? I'm helping the Zadoxians and Goffstill you know

Hardback i ment

"Leader?" - Said one bystander - "Yes, we can take you to him."
"No, I will show them the way!" - Replied another man
"No I!"
"I WAS HERE FIRST!"
The harkback aren't what they used to be... After a burlesque scene involving, ladders, boats and the cult, the Bythonians find themselves on an abandoned pier. In the distance however lies a large "Metro" Sign, Glowing brightly in the afternoon.

[Harkback Union]

So, the Iron slapped guns from their aircraft on Zadoxian civil models?

He bought them, had them seized by the government, re bought, flown by one person to an estate, moved by rail, gathered up pilots and slapped on the weapons and obtained weapons.

No. Some of the planes were flown to the estate by 1 person, but by "Flown", I can also mean loaded onto a dirigible (Thats pretty much what you guys did). Then they the pilots were recruited and training begun, guns and tips of altilery shells were placed on aircraft. Then they were taken away, and sold back right after by a clever ruse. Then a makeshift Aerodome was built (Basically, You mow the grass in an empty field and place some mess halls and fuel tanks) and voila, The harkback are ready for war.

[Harkback Union]

He bought them, had them seized by the government, re bought, flown by one person to an estate, moved by rail, gathered up pilots and slapped on the weapons and obtained weapons.

EDIT and by iron I mean my units were transferred to foward bases built by him

So the Zadox Air Force is essentially civilian models with weapons strapped on and civilian pilots flying them?

Not to be harsh to Hark, but under that scenario, with hand-dropped bombs, Leto losing any airships is an outside possibility.

They had, say, A week of training, and Its not like I said the bombs would hit. Besides, Airships are easy target, Especially if you approach from behind or from the front. You have a long window of opportunity as The bombs have a large area to hit.

<------------------<Plane------------------------------------<-Plane(Bombs away)----------------<
____________________________________Bomb__________
__________________________Bomb______________
___________________Bomb_____________________

<<(AIRSHIP)>>

[United Soviet Jason Republic]

I mean Hark with your pilots they are also flying through the cloud and would have issues with seeing the target. Granted I may be big and bulky but your planes most likely didn't train for this. Also the war is only a week in the making... If this is a month in the future it would be more possible.

[G-Tech Corporation]

So the Zadox Air Force is essentially civilian models with weapons strapped on and civilian pilots flying them?

Not to be harsh to Hark, but under that scenario, with hand-dropped bombs, Leto losing any airships is an outside possibility.

They had, say, A week of training, and Its not like I said the bombs would hit. Besides, Airships are easy target, Especially if you approach from behind or from the front. You have a long window of opportunity as The bombs have a large area to hit.

<------------------<Plane------------------------------------<-Plane(Bombs away)----------------<
____________________________________Bomb__________
__________________________Bomb______________
___________________Bomb_____________________

<<(AIRSHIP)>>

So at the same time the airfield and whatnot was being constructed and the planes were being readied for war, the pilots were being trained? By who?

I mean, I support quick mobilization as much as the next man, but a week is fearsomely quick to raise anything resembling a military force. Especially if they're doing something that hadn't been done before, with prototype weapons. And the fact that they're engaging targets mostly concealed by clouds with bombs they're dropping off their planes by hand is just a contributing factor. Planes move quickly; even a long Zeppelin would be passed from in front or behind in around five seconds, which is a short amount of time to wrestle a bomb free while holding your controls and then drop it.

It is possible. Just unlikely.

[Harkback Union]

I mean Hark with your pilots they are also flying through the cloud and would have issues with seeing the target. Granted I may be big and bulky but your planes most likely didn't train for this. Also the war is only a week in the making... If this is a month in the future it would be more possible.

Again, If you can make it to goffsill's capital in one week, Then I can make an air division in one week. I can cut out the part where they are needlessly transported if it bothers you much.

As for the darn clouds, It also blocks your vision, Meaning that my planes can go in closer to their target unharmed. If thats fine by you, Then lets rewind to the part where your airships poke out of the clouds above the fort.

[Harkback Union]

They had, say, A week of training, and Its not like I said the bombs would hit. Besides, Airships are easy target, Especially if you approach from behind or from the front. You have a long window of opportunity as The bombs have a large area to hit.

<------------------<Plane------------------------------------<-Plane(Bombs away)----------------<
____________________________________Bomb__________
__________________________Bomb______________
___________________Bomb_____________________

<<(AIRSHIP)>>

So at the same time the airfield and whatnot was being constructed and the planes were being readied for war, the pilots were being trained? By who?

I mean, I support quick mobilization as much as the next man, but a week is fearsomely quick to raise anything resembling a military force. Especially if they're doing something that hadn't been done before, with prototype weapons. And the fact that they're engaging targets mostly concealed by clouds with bombs they're dropping off their planes by hand is just a contributing factor. Planes move quickly; even a long Zeppelin would be passed from in front or behind in around five seconds, which is a short amount of time to wrestle a bomb free while holding your controls and then drop it.

It is possible. Just unlikely.

They trained themselves. Tried to shoot each other down with "pew pew" sound and dropped bombs on dummy targets. They don't really have to drop bombs by hand. They only one small bomb attached to the plane by some rails and a string. Cutting the string releases the bomb. Thats pretty simple tech. No special machinery involved.

Never did I say my pilots would be aces, but its not like any pilots have real war experience at this point. Never did they have the chance to engage in actual dogfighting (unless someone held bloody dogfighting Tournaments, but that didn't happen). If you think the bombs are unlikely to hit, That's fine. I never said they would hit, Though there is a strategy to make sure bombs hit.
Go in close.

[United Soviet Jason Republic]

I mean Hark with your pilots they are also flying through the cloud and would have issues with seeing the target. Granted I may be big and bulky but your planes most likely didn't train for this. Also the war is only a week in the making... If this is a month in the future it would be more possible.

Again, If you can make it to goffsill's capital in one week, Then I can make an air division in one week. I can cut out the part where they are needlessly transported if it bothers you much.

As for the darn clouds, It also blocks your vision, Meaning that my planes can go in closer to their target unharmed. If thats fine by you, Then lets rewind to the part where your airships poke out of the clouds above the fort.

The only thing i'd give you is hitting one air ship and damaging another. I mean G-Tech said it would be likely that my bombs would have been deployed. Frankly i even doubt you could raise this force to attack me in a week. I mean my airships arrived at the fort and were poking through at the bottom of the cloud periodically to line up their shot. If you say you are above me then you wouldn't see them from above.

At the most i'd give you right now with no change in posts is one destroyed airship, another with a hole. Then another force of Leto planes that were called in that are approaching the fort.

[Levis Avara]

Again, If you can make it to goffsill's capital in one week, Then I can make an air division in one week. I can cut out the part where they are needlessly transported if it bothers you much.

As for the darn clouds, It also blocks your vision, Meaning that my planes can go in closer to their target unharmed. If thats fine by you, Then lets rewind to the part where your airships poke out of the clouds above the fort.

The only thing i'd give you is hitting one air ship and damaging another. I mean G-Tech said it would be likely that my bombs would have been deployed. Frankly i even doubt you could raise this force to attack me in a week. I mean my airships arrived at the fort and were poking through at the bottom of the cloud periodically to line up their shot. If you say you are above me then you wouldn't see them from above.

At the most i'd give you right now with no change in posts is one destroyed airship, another with a hole. Then another force of Leto planes that were called in that are approaching the fort.

You still have to address the whole making it to Goffstills capitol in one week

[United Soviet Jason Republic]

The only thing i'd give you is hitting one air ship and damaging another. I mean G-Tech said it would be likely that my bombs would have been deployed. Frankly i even doubt you could raise this force to attack me in a week. I mean my airships arrived at the fort and were poking through at the bottom of the cloud periodically to line up their shot. If you say you are above me then you wouldn't see them from above.

At the most i'd give you right now with no change in posts is one destroyed airship, another with a hole. Then another force of Leto planes that were called in that are approaching the fort.

You still have to address the whole making it to Goffstills capitol in one week

Well Iron is at his capital. You'd have to ask him. I stated a while ago that the Leto attack was a surprise attack from the south. The Leto attack was basically a surprise assault with the intention of just invading as fast as possible with superior numbers. My assault wasn't even addressed post wise until i commented that no one had yet tried to stop my advance. Even then i believe the figure is one force from the defenders against four infantry, two armored and four areal divisions.

[G-Tech Corporation]

You still have to address the whole making it to Goffstills capitol in one week

Well Iron is at his capital. You'd have to ask him. I stated a while ago that the Leto attack was a surprise attack from the south. The Leto attack was basically a surprise assault with the intention of just invading as fast as possible with superior numbers. My assault wasn't even addressed post wise until i commented that no one had yet tried to stop my advance. Even then i believe the figure is one force from the defenders against four infantry, two armored and four areal divisions.

Armored divisions? What is this, WWII?

[Harkback Union]

Again, If you can make it to goffsill's capital in one week, Then I can make an air division in one week. I can cut out the part where they are needlessly transported if it bothers you much.

As for the darn clouds, It also blocks your vision, Meaning that my planes can go in closer to their target unharmed. If thats fine by you, Then lets rewind to the part where your airships poke out of the clouds above the fort.

The only thing i'd give you is hitting one air ship and damaging another. I mean G-Tech said it would be likely that my bombs would have been deployed. Frankly i even doubt you could raise this force to attack me in a week. I mean my airships arrived at the fort and were poking through at the bottom of the cloud periodically to line up their shot. If you say you are above me then you wouldn't see them from above.

At the most i'd give you right now with no change in posts is one destroyed airship, another with a hole. Then another force of Leto planes that were called in that are approaching the fort.

Look, Space covered by planes in the skies is large compared to clouds and airships. Under 10 minutes, My planes could have passed by dozens of clouds and since they were keeping a keen Eye, They would have been able to spot airships even if they are below clouds (you can see under the clouds from the right angle)

I would prefer not to drop the bombs now. It doesn't make any sense,If you won't allow my planes to keep sight of the airships. What I propose is that you drop the bombs from the hidden airships but my aircraft spot the bombs falling and some airships propellers hanging out of the clouds and then go into the clouds to investigate.

I biplane is worth an airship.

[Harkback Union]

Well Iron is at his capital. You'd have to ask him. I stated a while ago that the Leto attack was a surprise attack from the south. The Leto attack was basically a surprise assault with the intention of just invading as fast as possible with superior numbers. My assault wasn't even addressed post wise until i commented that no one had yet tried to stop my advance. Even then i believe the figure is one force from the defenders against four infantry, two armored and four areal divisions.

Armored divisions? What is this, WWII?

Tanks. 25000 of them.
Don'T ask.

[New Fraulasia]

I think I'm going to have to let slip a secret I didn't even know I was keeping.
Are you ready? Here it is

Goffsill. Is. Not. My. Capital.

[United Soviet Jason Republic]

Well Iron is at his capital. You'd have to ask him. I stated a while ago that the Leto attack was a surprise attack from the south. The Leto attack was basically a surprise assault with the intention of just invading as fast as possible with superior numbers. My assault wasn't even addressed post wise until i commented that no one had yet tried to stop my advance. Even then i believe the figure is one force from the defenders against four infantry, two armored and four areal divisions.

Armored divisions? What is this, WWII?

It is mostly WW1 but with some WW2 stuff. I don't consider the tanks fully fledged panzers or entirely useful. Just show and mobile artillery. They are taken from the french designs. I have like 100 tanks per division...

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And Hark that is ok. But you'd just have to edit your post i guess.

[Harkback Union]

I think I'm going to have to let slip a secret I didn't even know I was keeping.
Are you ready? Here it is

Goffsill. Is. Not. My. Capital.

Ya but Goffsill is West of Lotill, right?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Armored divisions? What is this, WWII?

It is mostly WW1 but with some WW2 stuff. I don't consider the tanks fully fledged panzers or entirely useful. Just show and mobile artillery. They are taken from the french designs. I have like 100 tanks per division...

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/imag ... djV3ledhKp

And Hark that is ok. But you'd just have to edit your post i guess.

Ah, I see, so they're piecemeal mobile firepower tanks, essentially interwar designs. Not ravening panzer swarms.

It should be noted that tanks were really only developed as a response to trench warfare. If nobody is fighting trench warfare, tanks should really only be little better than armored cars, and mainly a military curiosity.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Oh, just to confirm; nobody is on the western continent, yes?