Antediluvian Secrets (official POC worldbuilding thread)

[The Carlisle]

I'm back. Since there was like twenty pages since I last checked, can I get a brief fill-in?

We were discussing war blimps a lot. They'll be in as transport and fire support.

Then we went into more region flavor like drinks and snacks. We now have the equivalent of mountain dew and doritos in the universe. I suggested an alcohol, but there seems to be some conflict with that.

There was also some dynastic flavor. The Zu Helter family was expanded upon, ecofriendly and rivals of the Von Oorburgs. Will be interesting since Alrick is a Zu Helter and Maxie is a Von Oorburg.

[Transoxthraxia]

I'm gonna be honest: Trans and I are still discussing whether or not to include a Uralic language. We're still not 100% sure

From what I've noticed it was really a competition between a Dravidian language tree and a Uralic language tree, but it appears that there's more demand for a Uralic one, mostly due to the similarity between names and various other lore tidbits, so I think we'll decide on a Uralic tree rather than anything else; or at least, one that is based on teh Uralic languages and has a similar morphology/nameset.

@Trans: what is your gender, anyway?

I've pitched him/her an idea which would introduce some Uralic phonological features to the third (still-unnamed) language family, but he/she has yet to get back to me with his/her thoughts.

I saw that a bit earlier, but I'll review it now.

Also, we haven't determined that Revaalsbandt will have its own language family. So while I appreciate the attempt at contributing to worldbuilding (I really do, and I'm not trying to rain on your parade), please don't make assumptions about the aspects that aren't yours to decide.

Da hell is a Revaalsbrandt?

[The Carlisle]

I guess. I'm a little excited about it. And I was mostly going off of Revaalsbandt's description, which seems to set it off from every other region and culture, even Thorn which is the closest culture to them. Plus, it seems to be that Revaalsbandt is this worlds Finland, as it is constantly fought over and as a result fucked over. The only equivalent besides Uralic would be Inuit, which would probably be even more harder to do. So yeah, just oging off of that.

See, the thing is that we'd have to go over our outlines for the language families again and revise a few things, as well as build another one from the ground up (in addition to the eastern one that's already in the works).

If you want, I can help with the language tree if it's too much work on your own.

We should be fine, but if we need help we may ask.

I guess. May I ask for a TG of the map so far? I would like to add some input if there are some revisions needed. Plus, I always imagined the people of Revaalsbandt weren't indigenous to the area to begin with and migrated there from elsewhere, a sort of migratory tribe that was cut off from their mother family.

[The Carlisle]

I'm gonna be honest: Trans and I are still discussing whether or not to include a Uralic language. We're still not 100% sure

From what I've noticed it was really a competition between a Dravidian language tree and a Uralic language tree, but it appears that there's more demand for a Uralic one, mostly due to the similarity between names and various other lore tidbits, so I think we'll decide on a Uralic tree rather than anything else; or at least, one that is based on teh Uralic languages and has a similar morphology/nameset.

@Trans: what is your gender, anyway?

I've pitched him/her an idea which would introduce some Uralic phonological features to the third (still-unnamed) language family, but he/she has yet to get back to me with his/her thoughts.

I saw that a bit earlier, but I'll review it now.

Also, we haven't determined that Revaalsbandt will have its own language family. So while I appreciate the attempt at contributing to worldbuilding (I really do, and I'm not trying to rain on your parade), please don't make assumptions about the aspects that aren't yours to decide.

Da hell is a Revaalsbrandt?

For you

by Pan Asian Amercian Coalition

Revaalsbandt is the southernmost habitable area on the main continent, and is even divided in half between Antediluvian and Precambrian troops, each vying for control of the massive rhenium and tungsten mines. The population hovers at about 3,400 ,not including the occupying troops.

It is said to be the polar opposite of Altaflor, with temperatures rarely going above freezing, hurricane strength blizzards, two months of sun a year and endless tracks of enormous Ice Cedar trees. The main exports are Cedar Bear meat, winter-proof soldiers, general misery for the stationed troops, and neigh invincible Ice Cedar lumber.

The area used to be ruled by a elected chieftain, each voted for by the representatives of each of the twelve native tribes, each differentiated by a worshipped deity in their 12 god pantheon. They are extremely friendly between each tribe and are united against the invading troops, who used their armored support and superior numbers to grab the region 3 generations ago.

Recruits from this region wear a light purple-red scarf tied around their helmet so they can identify each other. There is an unwritten rule that they don't shoot each other people from Revaalsbandt, even in the face of court martial.

[Transoxthraxia]

From what I've noticed it was really a competition between a Dravidian language tree and a Uralic language tree, but it appears that there's more demand for a Uralic one, mostly due to the similarity between names and various other lore tidbits, so I think we'll decide on a Uralic tree rather than anything else; or at least, one that is based on teh Uralic languages and has a similar morphology/nameset.







I saw that a bit earlier, but I'll review it now.



Da hell is a Revaalsbrandt?

For you

by Pan Asian Amercian Coalition

Revaalsbandt is the southernmost habitable area on the main continent, and is even divided in half between Antediluvian and Precambrian troops, each vying for control of the massive rhenium and tungsten mines. The population hovers at about 3,400 ,not including the occupying troops.

It is said to be the polar opposite of Altaflor, with temperatures rarely going above freezing, hurricane strength blizzards, two months of sun a year and endless tracks of enormous Ice Cedar trees. The main exports are Cedar Bear meat, winter-proof soldiers, general misery for the stationed troops, and neigh invincible Ice Cedar lumber.

The area used to be ruled by a elected chieftain, each voted for by the representatives of each of the twelve native tribes, each differentiated by a worshipped deity in their 12 god pantheon. They are extremely friendly between each tribe and are united against the invading troops, who used their armored support and superior numbers to grab the region 3 generations ago.

Recruits from this region wear a light purple-red scarf tied around their helmet so they can identify each other. There is an unwritten rule that they don't shoot each other people from Revaalsbandt, even in the face of court martial.

The region described falls into the heartlands of the Highlands Thorn culture, I think.

[Nature-Spirits]

For you

by Pan Asian Amercian Coalition

Revaalsbandt is the southernmost habitable area on the main continent, and is even divided in half between Antediluvian and Precambrian troops, each vying for control of the massive rhenium and tungsten mines. The population hovers at about 3,400 ,not including the occupying troops.

It is said to be the polar opposite of Altaflor, with temperatures rarely going above freezing, hurricane strength blizzards, two months of sun a year and endless tracks of enormous Ice Cedar trees. The main exports are Cedar Bear meat, winter-proof soldiers, general misery for the stationed troops, and neigh invincible Ice Cedar lumber.

The area used to be ruled by a elected chieftain, each voted for by the representatives of each of the twelve native tribes, each differentiated by a worshipped deity in their 12 god pantheon. They are extremely friendly between each tribe and are united against the invading troops, who used their armored support and superior numbers to grab the region 3 generations ago.

Recruits from this region wear a light purple-red scarf tied around their helmet so they can identify each other. There is an unwritten rule that they don't shoot each other people from Revaalsbandt, even in the face of court martial.

The region described falls into the heartlands of the Highlands Thorn culture, I think.

That's what I was thinking as well, but I didn't want to make an executive decision without you. Good to know we're mostly on the same page.

[Agritum]

Altaflor is a place where Ezeric and Thorn blend a lot, I guess.

[Transoxthraxia]

Altaflor is a place where Ezeric and Thorn blend a lot, I guess.

Which is Altaflor?

[Nature-Spirits]

Altaflor is a place where Ezeric and Thorn blend a lot, I guess.

Which is Altaflor?

The one with the flowers.

I would guess, considering the types of names used in the area, that it's a combination of Highlands Thorn and Nahumic.

[Transoxthraxia]

Which is Altaflor?

The one with the flowers.

I would guess, considering the types of names used in the area, that it's a combination of Highlands Thorn and Nahumic.

I meant on a map.

[Nature-Spirits]

The one with the flowers.

I would guess, considering the types of names used in the area, that it's a combination of Highlands Thorn and Nahumic.

I meant on a map.

Ah.

Apparently it's on the northwestern coasts.

[The Carlisle]

For you

by Pan Asian Amercian Coalition

Revaalsbandt is the southernmost habitable area on the main continent, and is even divided in half between Antediluvian and Precambrian troops, each vying for control of the massive rhenium and tungsten mines. The population hovers at about 3,400 ,not including the occupying troops.

It is said to be the polar opposite of Altaflor, with temperatures rarely going above freezing, hurricane strength blizzards, two months of sun a year and endless tracks of enormous Ice Cedar trees. The main exports are Cedar Bear meat, winter-proof soldiers, general misery for the stationed troops, and neigh invincible Ice Cedar lumber.

The area used to be ruled by a elected chieftain, each voted for by the representatives of each of the twelve native tribes, each differentiated by a worshipped deity in their 12 god pantheon. They are extremely friendly between each tribe and are united against the invading troops, who used their armored support and superior numbers to grab the region 3 generations ago.

Recruits from this region wear a light purple-red scarf tied around their helmet so they can identify each other. There is an unwritten rule that they don't shoot each other people from Revaalsbandt, even in the face of court martial.

The region described falls into the heartlands of the Highlands Thorn culture, I think.

Not really.

http://i.imgur.com/GBMUmlC.png

That's where I imagined it to be. Not really in the heartland, as that would imply that the thorn heartland is a barely livable frozen waste with an incredibly low population.

[Nature-Spirits]

The region described falls into the heartlands of the Highlands Thorn culture, I think.

Not really.

http://i.imgur.com/GBMUmlC.png

That's where I imagined it to be. Not really in the heartland, as that would imply that the thorn heartland is a barely livable frozen waste with an incredibly low population.

Going by the map, they live in a mountainous region. Hence, it is Highlands Thorn territory.

[Agritum]

The one with the flowers.

I would guess, considering the types of names used in the area, that it's a combination of Highlands Thorn and Nahumic.

I meant on a map.

Northwest, near coastal.

[Transoxthraxia]

The region described falls into the heartlands of the Highlands Thorn culture, I think.

Not really.

http://i.imgur.com/GBMUmlC.png

That's where I imagined it to be. Not really in the heartland, as that would imply that the thorn heartland is a barely livable frozen waste with an incredibly low population.

Yeah, no, that's the place that I thought you were talking about. Yeah, that's Highlands Thorn. I don't see why barely livable translates into new language group.

[Nature-Spirits]

I don't see why barely livable translates into new language group.

^This. Language families don't just appear because a group of people live in a remote place. Plus, an independent language family is unlikely to survive with so few speakers anyway, considering the former Thorn and subsequent Ezeric dominance of the region. If it even existed in the first place, it would have been suppressed long ago as that territory was incorporated into the territories of the other ethnicities.

[The Carlisle]

Not really.

http://i.imgur.com/GBMUmlC.png

That's where I imagined it to be. Not really in the heartland, as that would imply that the thorn heartland is a barely livable frozen waste with an incredibly low population.

Going by the map, they live in a mountainous region. Hence, it is Highlands Thorn territory.

Well yes. But as I said, migratory people who settled where even the Thorn didn't touch. I'm mainly basing this off of the cultural difference between the two, as one is still tribal. But I wouldn't be surprised by a high Thorn encroachment into the area, similar to the Fennoswedes.

But this is Pan's region. They are the one's who really decide what the region is like. I'm just going off of what they provided so far. Even though I have a character from there, its really them who decide.

[Transoxthraxia]

I meant on a map.

Northwest, near coastal.

Then the Thorn relationship would be trace, if any. Northwest Thorn was part of the Western Thornic group, most likely originally Odarian if it's in a coastal region, but it was most likely replaced by an Ezeric language such as Old Nahumic or perhaps Proto-Benaihic before being subsumed by Middle Nahumic. However, the Thorn language that would've been most likely to survive here would be Reguzian, as it was spoken in most Western urban centers until the Rebirth Era. However, Reguzian then subsequently went extinct at that point in time.

So what is most likely spoken in that area is a dialect of Bastardized Nahumic that has some Reguzian influence.

[Nature-Spirits]

Also, the name "Revaalsbandt" is more reminiscent of Germanic languages than Uralic anyway.

[Transoxthraxia]

Going by the map, they live in a mountainous region. Hence, it is Highlands Thorn territory.

Well yes. But as I said, migratory people who settled where even the Thorn didn't touch. I'm mainly basing this off of the cultural difference between the two, as one is still tribal. But I wouldn't be surprised by a high Thorn encroachment into the area, similar to the Fennoswedes.

But this is Pan's region. They are the one's who really decide what the region is like. I'm just going off of what they provided so far. Even though I have a character from there, its really them who decide.

But what kind of migrational people? The tribal Norwegians who lived in Iceland and Naumadal in the northernmost parts of Norway spoke the same language as the Norwegians who lived in places like Oslo. Generally, geographic isolation would only really affect a language after hundreds, if not thousands, of years of isolation, with a large amount of people. The amount of people there and the fact that it's accepted canon that Highlands Thorn live in the area leads me to believe that it is a primarily, if not purely, Highlands Thorn culture. Though this doesn't mean that it has to conform to other Highlands Thorn cultures, they may speak the same language but have a different set of customs.

[Transoxthraxia]

Also, the name "Revaalsbandt" is more reminiscent of Germanic languages than Uralic anyway.

To me it resembled a Frisian name, which is the language closest related to Anglo-Saxon, which is what Highlands Thorn is based off of.

[Agritum]

Northwest, near coastal.

Then the Thorn relationship would be trace, if any. Northwest Thorn was part of the Western Thornic group, most likely originally Odarian if it's in a coastal region, but it was most likely replaced by an Ezeric language such as Old Nahumic or perhaps Proto-Benaihic before being subsumed by Middle Nahumic. However, the Thorn language that would've been most likely to survive here would be Reguzian, as it was spoken in most Western urban centers until the Rebirth Era. However, Reguzian then subsequently went extinct at that point in time.

So what is most likely spoken in that area is a dialect of Bastardized Nahumic that has some Reguzian influence.

Cool enough, I guess. I envisioned Altaflor as a fusion between Brighton and Canterbury, myself

[The Carlisle]

Well yes. But as I said, migratory people who settled where even the Thorn didn't touch. I'm mainly basing this off of the cultural difference between the two, as one is still tribal. But I wouldn't be surprised by a high Thorn encroachment into the area, similar to the Fennoswedes.

But this is Pan's region. They are the one's who really decide what the region is like. I'm just going off of what they provided so far. Even though I have a character from there, its really them who decide.

But what kind of migrational people? The tribal Norwegians who lived in Iceland and Naumadal in the northernmost parts of Norway spoke the same language as the Norwegians who lived in places like Oslo. Generally, geographic isolation would only really affect a language after hundreds, if not thousands, of years of isolation, with a large amount of people. The amount of people there and the fact that it's accepted canon that Highlands Thorn live in the area leads me to believe that it is a primarily, if not purely, Highlands Thorn culture. Though this doesn't mean that it has to conform to other Highlands Thorn cultures, they may speak the same language but have a different set of customs.

Nothing here is really set in stone. All we have is what cultures are present, and defined regions. It's not strictly defined what culture dominates which area 100% outside of the well defined regions such as Oorburg. And you or me are not the ones who get to define that. In this case, Pan is the one what culture is what in their region, and it doesn't have to go by the defined culture. Only one beyond that who decides is Ayr, and TBH he is the one who ultimately decides what is what.

I just throw my support at the idea of the region being mostly uralic and not pure thorn.

[Transoxthraxia]

But what kind of migrational people? The tribal Norwegians who lived in Iceland and Naumadal in the northernmost parts of Norway spoke the same language as the Norwegians who lived in places like Oslo. Generally, geographic isolation would only really affect a language after hundreds, if not thousands, of years of isolation, with a large amount of people. The amount of people there and the fact that it's accepted canon that Highlands Thorn live in the area leads me to believe that it is a primarily, if not purely, Highlands Thorn culture. Though this doesn't mean that it has to conform to other Highlands Thorn cultures, they may speak the same language but have a different set of customs.

Nothing here is really set in stone. All we have is what cultures are present, and defined regions. It's not strictly defined what culture dominates which area 100% outside of the well defined regions such as Oorburg. And you or me are not the ones who get to define that. In this case, Pan is the one what culture is what in their region, and it doesn't have to go by the defined culture. Only one beyond that who decides is Ayr, and TBH he is the one who ultimately decides what is what.

I just throw my support at the idea of the region being mostly uralic and not pure thorn.

I was thinking the Uralic culture was mostly on the far, far Eastern part of the continent.

[The Carlisle]

Nothing here is really set in stone. All we have is what cultures are present, and defined regions. It's not strictly defined what culture dominates which area 100% outside of the well defined regions such as Oorburg. And you or me are not the ones who get to define that. In this case, Pan is the one what culture is what in their region, and it doesn't have to go by the defined culture. Only one beyond that who decides is Ayr, and TBH he is the one who ultimately decides what is what.

I just throw my support at the idea of the region being mostly uralic and not pure thorn.

I was thinking the Uralic culture was mostly on the far, far Eastern part of the continent.

Well, my idea about it was that a tribe from the eastern continent migrated and settled in the region. Similar to the bering bridge crossing. When the thorn were chased out of the lowlands and into the mountains, there were near constant conflicts between the two until they wereconquered six decades ago.