Antediluvian Secrets (official POC worldbuilding thread)

[Altito Asmoro]

You don't need the entire war.

It could be just one of the conflicts happened earlier. Perhaps Antediluvian troops came across a recluse tribes who promptly attacked them for messing with their territories.

You'll likely need to develop the idea more to make it plausible, Alt. It's very... erratic, currently.

It's just an idea. I never really though it as a concept.

[Nature-Spirits]

Here's the bit on queer people that I've been working on. I think that it may still need some work, but I figured I'd put it up here for people to comment and ask questions. Any feedback would be appreciated, so don't be afraid to be critical!

Ittul (sometimes called "tools" in Bastardised Nahumic) have their roots in the ancient beliefs of the Kamaian people, having been brought to Antediluvia and the West in general by the religions of Priya Rukmeni and Gammar Gammura. They are traditionally understood to be a third gender, and ittul can be born biologically male, female, or intersex. The traditionally defining feature of ittul is that they do not conform to gender and sexual norms: they may dress and act as male, female, androgynous, or any combination thereof, regardless of biological sex; and they may be attracted to any gender(s). More recently, different subsections within the ittul identity have emerged (the most common of which are homosexual and transgender); though while these are widely known to exist, they are still not fully understood by most of the population.

In popular belief, ittul are often considered to engage in practices and habits that traditionally correspond to the gender opposite to that they were assigned at birth, but many engage in both traditionally male and female activities and forms of expression, while others may present as the gender they were assigned at birth but take lovers of their own sex. All of these -- among others -- are traditionally defined as ittul.

In addition, ittul are often associated with being particularly gifted in a trade or -- especially in previous centuries -- in magic (though due to the stigma associated in Antediluvia with magic, the ittul community in general has tended to distance itself from it since the Technological Revolution). Communities that are still fairly religious (especially those in which the majority religion is Gammar Gammura) tend to recognise that the ittul have spiritual powers; as while most living beings are said to be made up of one "shard" each, an ittul is said to have two, giving them their unique gender/sexual roles and alleged connection to Uriyah. Many culture and folk heroes are also held to be ittul. However, ittul are not traditionally considered fit to serve as members of the clergy, though in recent decades some ittul have joined the clergy, and today there is practically no resistance to ittul as clergy except in fringe groups.

Despite -- or perhaps because of -- these beliefs, there is some prejudice against ittul among some people. Nobles, in particular, tend to discourage their children from being ittul, if only so that their children marry and produce an heir (though this is by no means a hard-and-fast rule). Additionally, people who are not of the Gammar Gammura religion may view it as unnatural. Sometimes, ittul are marginalised in their communities. Ittul are sometimes held to be vengeful if they perceive that they have been slighted, and more religious people may fear incurring divine wrath for insulting an ittul; exploiting this belief, some ittul make money through extortion, by saying that they will bless someone for money. This practice has seen a recent decline, however. Many ittul are also involved in the entertainment industry as singers and dancers.

[Ayreonia]

Here's the bit on queer people that I've been working on. I think that it may still need some work, but I figured I'd put it up here for people to comment and ask questions. Any feedback would be appreciated, so don't be afraid to be critical!

Ittul (sometimes called "tools" in Bastardised Nahumic) have their roots in the ancient beliefs of the Kamaian people, having been brought to Antediluvia and the West in general by the religions of Priya Rukmeni and Gammar Gammura. They are traditionally understood to be a third gender, and ittul can be born biologically male, female, or intersex. The traditionally defining feature of ittul is that they do not conform to gender and sexual norms: they may dress and act as male, female, androgynous, or any combination thereof, regardless of biological sex; and they may be attracted to any gender(s). More recently, different subsections within the ittul identity have emerged (the most common of which are homosexual and transgender); though while these are widely known to exist, they are still not fully understood by most of the population.

In popular belief, ittul are often considered to engage in practices and habits that traditionally correspond to the gender opposite to that they were assigned at birth, but many engage in both traditionally male and female activities and forms of expression, while others may present as the gender they were assigned at birth but take lovers of their own sex. All of these -- among others -- are traditionally defined as ittul.

In addition, ittul are often associated with being particularly gifted in a trade or -- especially in previous centuries -- in magic (though due to the stigma associated in Antediluvia with magic, the ittul community in general has tended to distance itself from it since the Technological Revolution). Communities that are still fairly religious (especially those in which the majority religion is Gammar Gammura) tend to recognise that the ittul have spiritual powers; as while most living beings are said to be made up of one "shard" each, an ittul is said to have two, giving them their unique gender/sexual roles and alleged connection to Uriyah. Many culture and folk heroes are also held to be ittul. However, ittul are not traditionally considered fit to serve as members of the clergy, though in recent decades some ittul have joined the clergy, and today there is practically no resistance to ittul as clergy except in fringe groups.

Despite -- or perhaps because of -- these beliefs, there is some prejudice against ittul among some people. Nobles, in particular, tend to discourage their children from being ittul, if only so that their children marry and produce an heir (though this is by no means a hard-and-fast rule). Additionally, people who are not of the Gammar Gammura religion may view it as unnatural. Sometimes, ittul are marginalised in their communities. Ittul are sometimes held to be vengeful if they perceive that they have been slighted, and more religious people may fear incurring divine wrath for insulting an ittul; exploiting this belief, some ittul make money through extortion, by saying that they will bless someone for money. This practice has seen a recent decline, however. Many ittul are also involved in the entertainment industry as singers and dancers.

If they're considered to be more spiritually attuned, why the rarity of ittul clergy?

[Nature-Spirits]

Here's the bit on queer people that I've been working on. I think that it may still need some work, but I figured I'd put it up here for people to comment and ask questions. Any feedback would be appreciated, so don't be afraid to be critical!

Ittul (sometimes called "tools" in Bastardised Nahumic) have their roots in the ancient beliefs of the Kamaian people, having been brought to Antediluvia and the West in general by the religions of Priya Rukmeni and Gammar Gammura. They are traditionally understood to be a third gender, and ittul can be born biologically male, female, or intersex. The traditionally defining feature of ittul is that they do not conform to gender and sexual norms: they may dress and act as male, female, androgynous, or any combination thereof, regardless of biological sex; and they may be attracted to any gender(s). More recently, different subsections within the ittul identity have emerged (the most common of which are homosexual and transgender); though while these are widely known to exist, they are still not fully understood by most of the population.

In popular belief, ittul are often considered to engage in practices and habits that traditionally correspond to the gender opposite to that they were assigned at birth, but many engage in both traditionally male and female activities and forms of expression, while others may present as the gender they were assigned at birth but take lovers of their own sex. All of these -- among others -- are traditionally defined as ittul.

In addition, ittul are often associated with being particularly gifted in a trade or -- especially in previous centuries -- in magic (though due to the stigma associated in Antediluvia with magic, the ittul community in general has tended to distance itself from it since the Technological Revolution). Communities that are still fairly religious (especially those in which the majority religion is Gammar Gammura) tend to recognise that the ittul have spiritual powers; as while most living beings are said to be made up of one "shard" each, an ittul is said to have two, giving them their unique gender/sexual roles and alleged connection to Uriyah. Many culture and folk heroes are also held to be ittul. However, ittul are not traditionally considered fit to serve as members of the clergy, though in recent decades some ittul have joined the clergy, and today there is practically no resistance to ittul as clergy except in fringe groups.

Despite -- or perhaps because of -- these beliefs, there is some prejudice against ittul among some people. Nobles, in particular, tend to discourage their children from being ittul, if only so that their children marry and produce an heir (though this is by no means a hard-and-fast rule). Additionally, people who are not of the Gammar Gammura religion may view it as unnatural. Sometimes, ittul are marginalised in their communities. Ittul are sometimes held to be vengeful if they perceive that they have been slighted, and more religious people may fear incurring divine wrath for insulting an ittul; exploiting this belief, some ittul make money through extortion, by saying that they will bless someone for money. This practice has seen a recent decline, however. Many ittul are also involved in the entertainment industry as singers and dancers.

If they're considered to be more spiritually attuned, why the rarity of ittul clergy?

That's a good question. I was thinking that it could have to do with a historical religious caste system; i.e. a similar situation to how in Roman Catholicism women could be nuns but not priests, I guess. Or it could be that ittul were once considered unfit for certain priestly duties for some reason.

I'm perfectly willing to scrap that bit, of course; this is really not much more than an initial draft.

[Pan Asian Amercian Coalition]

Music Suggestion

Also, idea for more slang:

Casseroles: Levy Units, because they are made of 'new meat' and 'old vegetables', and are quickly chewed up by attackers.

[Agritum]

This thread shall live again.

I WILL IT.

[The Carlisle]

Same!

[Ayreonia]

Make it so by creating characters for the reboot!

[Reverend Norv]

Reboot, eh?

[Cylarn]

Hey, I'm down for it. Keep me in the loop.

[The United Remnants of America]

Mebbe.

[Agritum]

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Reboot in question.

[Altito Asmoro]

It won't hurt me to try.

[Nature-Spirits]

I've updated the bit on queer folk (the original draft is further up on this page); feedback is welcome.

Ittul (sometimes called "tools" in Bastardised Nahumic) have their roots in the ancient beliefs of the Kamaian people, having been brought to Antediluvia and the West in general by the religions of Priya Rukmeni and Gammar Gammura. They are traditionally understood to be a third gender, and ittul can be born biologically male, female, or intersex. The traditionally defining feature of ittul is that they do not conform to gender and sexual norms: they may dress and act as male, female, androgynous, or any combination thereof, regardless of biological sex; and they may be attracted to any gender(s). More recently, different subsections within the ittul identity have emerged (the most common of which are homosexual and transgender); though while these are widely known to exist, they are still not fully understood by most of the population.

In popular belief, ittul are often considered to engage in practices and habits that traditionally correspond to the gender opposite to that they were assigned at birth, but many engage in both traditionally male and female activities and forms of expression, while others may present as the gender they were assigned at birth but take lovers of their own sex. All of these -- among others -- are traditionally defined as ittul.

In addition, ittul are often associated with being particularly gifted in a trade or -- especially in previous centuries -- in magic (though due to the stigma associated in Antediluvia with magic, the ittul community in general has tended to distance itself from it since the Technological Revolution). Communities that are still fairly religious (especially those in which the majority religion is Gammar Gammura) tend to recognise that the ittul have spiritual powers; as while most living beings are said to be made up of one "shard" each, an ittul is said to have two, giving them their unique gender/sexual roles and alleged connection to Uriyah. Many culture and folk heroes are also held to be ittul.

Despite -- or perhaps because of -- these beliefs, there is some prejudice against ittul among some people. Nobles, in particular, tend to discourage their children from being ittul, if only so that their children marry and produce an heir (though this is by no means a hard-and-fast rule). Additionally, people who are not of the Gammar Gammura religion may view it as unnatural. Sometimes, ittul are marginalised in their communities. Ittul are sometimes held to be vengeful if they perceive that they have been slighted, and more religious people may fear incurring divine wrath for insulting an ittul; exploiting this belief, some ittul make money through extortion, by saying that they will bless someone for money. This practice has seen a recent decline, however. Many ittul are also involved in the entertainment industry as singers and dancers.

[The United Remnants of America]

I've been thinking of working on Baerbarrow, but I don't know how to go about writing it. I have a general outline of the location, though.

[The United Remnants of America]

Aye, where's the Great Forest? I think I'm gonna build a description of Baerbarrow

[Nature-Spirits]

Oh, by the way:

I'll add the shit out of that county in my next update.

As for alphabet, you have ultimate control.

The seasons are normal, given that Soil is the size of Earth, and the year is 365 days. By GoT-style winters, I was describing the harshness and impact of it. Really cold, craploads of snow, and everyone just huddles inside.

Right.

In that case, here's the updated phonetic alphabet:

Prescribed Radiotelephony Phonetic Alphabet (also known as the RAA Phonetic Alphabet)

A - Altaflor
B - Boy
C - Crávis
D - Duke
E - Eleanor
F - Flower
G - Godfrey
H - Honora
I - Idony
J - Joscelin
K - King
L - Linvale
M - Magnus
N - Norton
O - Oorburg
P - Prudence
Q - Queen
R - Rialto
S - Sayshel
T - Talbot
Th - Thorn
U - Ursela
V - Verstact
W - Winstor
X - Axe
Y - Yvon
Z - Zoe

The only thing that's changed is the way "T" is said (Talbot) and the addition of "Th" (which is now Thorn).

And I'll get to work on this at some point:

I'm going to need names for the Precambrian cities near our division, as well as for the nearby rivers.

If you'd like, I could come up with some linguistically-probable names later (given the language the Precambrians speak).
Alternatively, if someone else (e.g. Gren) came up with some names, I or Trans could give them Precambrian names later and say that the names we're using are the ones given to them by the Antediluvians.

[Oceans Haven]

Lord there is a lot to remember...ohh and -tag- for later reference.

[The United Remnants of America]

Baerbarrow

Baerbarrow. Few places are as homely or as comforting as the forest village of Baerbarrow. This settlement in the south of Antediluvia is a specimen of natural tranquility. Each wooden log and stone house is built among the trees and mossy rocks of the eponymous Baer Forest, barely visible from a distance through the woods and thickets, and nearly invisible up close if not for the dirt paths between houses buildings. Late at night, lantern and candle light can be seen glowing from the windows of the cottages, and late into the winter, the houses are nearly indistinguishable from the snow-covered foliage around them, their only tell to existence being the smoke curling from small chimneys in the roofs of the houses.

Yes, Baerbarrow is a paradise from another age, far removed from the never-ending conflict between their fellow countrymen and the Precambrians, most residents of Baerbarrow have never seen combat. The mood of Baerbarrow is one of community, of bonding, and of family, and it may very well be so, since most residents of the town are either of the Baer clan, or are married or related to a Baer. This clan-like identity surfaces at its height in the existence of "Duke" Jorge Baer, the ubiquitous patriarch of Baerbarrow and the so-called head of House Baer, a royal house neither heard of nor cared about outside of Baer Forest.

The outside perception of those who know of Baerbarrow, those knowleadgeable few who would care to find Baerbarrow on a map or learn about its existence, would stereotype the village correctly as a backwater settlement, completely devoid of use to the rest of Antediluvia. However, they would falsely stereotype the residents as interbreeding forest people who eat outsiders if they don't use them to procreate with first. Other rumors have surfaced that Baerbarrow is distant because of its part in being a center for evil magic users, again, another false accusation. Baerbarrow has so far had zero interaction with magic and is still ignorant of the idea of the concept. However, no matter its country-esque setting or its quaint outlook, Baerbarrow is a rich and diverse town that just happens to be more separated from its counterpart settlements. And if that can't be taken for a fact, just ask a Baer, since the statement "All Baers come from the 'Barrow" is only a partial lie.

Is good? Or no?

[The Carlisle]

So this is a question I put up in the official OOC.

Are there any darker skinned "races" in the world? I mean, I notice that all of the characters are lighter-skinned. I mean, that is probably because of selection bias. But really, not one? I'm just wondering how this is effecting the lore. Do they exist? If they do, are they an extreme minority in Antidiluvia? Where do they originate? From existing lore, it is obvious that the southern continents are more Europeanesque than anything else.

What do y'all think?

[The United Remnants of America]

So this is a question I put up in the official OOC.

Are there any darker skinned "races" in the world? I mean, I notice that all of the characters are lighter-skinned. I mean, that is probably because of selection bias. But really, not one? I'm just wondering how this is effecting the lore. Do they exist? If they do, are they an extreme minority in Antidiluvia? Where do they originate? From existing lore, it is obvious that the southern continents are more Europeanesque than anything else.

What do y'all think?

Well, we've only put heavy emphasis on world-building Antediluvia, which is IMO highly Germanic. I don't personally know about Precambria and little work has been put into the neighbors.

Are you wanting to make a Black/Asian/Latino etc. character? I'm guessing there could be a small nation somewhere, though evolutionarily and realistically, I doubt it would be a thing.

[Nature-Spirits]

So this is a question I put up in the official OOC.

Are there any darker skinned "races" in the world? I mean, I notice that all of the characters are lighter-skinned. I mean, that is probably because of selection bias. But really, not one? I'm just wondering how this is effecting the lore. Do they exist? If they do, are they an extreme minority in Antidiluvia? Where do they originate? From existing lore, it is obvious that the southern continents are more Europeanesque than anything else.

What do y'all think?

Hmm. Well, I imagine that in the north, there would be some darker-skinned Hengistic and Ezeric people. Most people in the south would be pretty white, though.

[The United Remnants of America]

So this is a question I put up in the official OOC.

Are there any darker skinned "races" in the world? I mean, I notice that all of the characters are lighter-skinned. I mean, that is probably because of selection bias. But really, not one? I'm just wondering how this is effecting the lore. Do they exist? If they do, are they an extreme minority in Antidiluvia? Where do they originate? From existing lore, it is obvious that the southern continents are more Europeanesque than anything else.

What do y'all think?

Hmm. Well, I imagine that in the north, there would be some darker-skinned Hengistic and Ezeric people. Most people in the south would be pretty white, though.

I disagree. I think the world is too cold globally for a darker skin ethnicity to even develop, let alone survive. There would have been no reason for it.

EDIT: Unless this world has a thinner O-zone/magnetosphere/whatever to allow higher amounts of UV rays to enter, despite the planet's apparent distance from the Sun, allowing the possibility of a darker-skinned race of people near the equatorial band.

[Nature-Spirits]

Hmm. Well, I imagine that in the north, there would be some darker-skinned Hengistic and Ezeric people. Most people in the south would be pretty white, though.

I disagree. I think the world is too cold globally for a darker skin ethnicity to even develop, let alone survive. There would have been no reason for it.

EDIT: Unless this world has a thinner O-zone/magnetosphere/whatever to allow higher amounts of UV rays to enter, despite the planet's apparent distance from the Sun, allowing the possibility of a darker-skinned race of people near the equatorial band.

Well, IIRC some areas in the north of Antediluvia are tropical. And I'm pretty sure that towards the beginning it was determined that Soil is, aside from the different geography and cultures and presence of magic, analogous to Earth.

[The United Remnants of America]

I disagree. I think the world is too cold globally for a darker skin ethnicity to even develop, let alone survive. There would have been no reason for it.

EDIT: Unless this world has a thinner O-zone/magnetosphere/whatever to allow higher amounts of UV rays to enter, despite the planet's apparent distance from the Sun, allowing the possibility of a darker-skinned race of people near the equatorial band.

Well, IIRC some areas in the north of Antediluvia are tropical. And I'm pretty sure that towards the beginning it was determined that Soil is, aside from the different geography and cultures and presence of magic, analogous to Earth.

Is it? It just seems that there's such a large part of Soil that is arctic.