Children Of Infinity (OOC)

[Serah]

So you played undertale too?

Did you have the heart to do the Genocide route?

I mean, I only played yesterday (spent the whole day finishing a run), and I went neutral, mostly, so, nope.

But I totally plan on doing it, because holy shit, the stuff my brother's told me sounds balls-bustingly awesome.

Basically me when I went through it:

>Be me
>Playing Undertale
>Neutral Genocide route
>Undyne pissed me the fuck off
>Shed a tear at Goatmom
>Meet Sans
>Kill him
>Fml.png
>Meet Asgore
>Didn't want to kill but did it anyway
>Soul-departing.gif
>Get to the last boss
>Realize I killed papyrus in the early game
>Hello-Darkness-my-old-friend.png
>Oh god why.
>Soul left me.

[Zarkenis Ultima]

I mean, I only played yesterday (spent the whole day finishing a run), and I went neutral, mostly, so, nope.

But I totally plan on doing it, because holy shit, the stuff my brother's told me sounds balls-bustingly awesome.

Basically me when I went through it:

>Soul left me.

Spoilers bro.

I mean, I know all that, but still.

Anyway, it's a beautiful game.

[Serah]

Basically me when I went through it:

>Soul left me.

Spoilers bro.

I mean, I know all that, but still.

Anyway, it's a beautiful game.

Yeah, I know it is.

But seriously, first playthrough Undyne pissed me the fuck off.

And when you get that decision at the end of the genocide route, I laughed so hard.
I'll explain why once you get through it.
And if you have the heart to do it of course.

Because seriously, I think I lost a big chunk of my soul right there.

[Zarkenis Ultima]

Spoilers bro.

I mean, I know all that, but still.

Anyway, it's a beautiful game.

Yeah, I know it is.

But seriously, first playthrough Undyne pissed me the fuck off.

And when you get that decision at the end of the genocide route, I laughed so hard.
I'll explain why once you get through it.
And if you have the heart to do it of course.

Because seriously, I think I lost a big chunk of my soul right there.

Well, picking up from Sans' explanation on how Executioner Points and Level of Violence works, I'd say I have a fair ammount of ability to unfeel, so I should be fine.

Undyne didn't really piss me off that much, to be honest. Though I still beat her to near-death before running away, for teh lulz.

[Serah]

Yeah, I know it is.

But seriously, first playthrough Undyne pissed me the fuck off.

And when you get that decision at the end of the genocide route, I laughed so hard.
I'll explain why once you get through it.
And if you have the heart to do it of course.

Because seriously, I think I lost a big chunk of my soul right there.

Well, picking up from Sans' explanation on how Executioner Points and Level of Violence works, I'd say I have a fair ammount of ability to unfeel, so I should be fine.

Undyne didn't really piss me off that much, to be honest. Though I still beat her to near-death before running away, for teh lulz.

Her chara design pissed me off.

That smile.
That bloody smile.
And those anime monologues, god were they annoying.

[Zarkenis Ultima]

Well, picking up from Sans' explanation on how Executioner Points and Level of Violence works, I'd say I have a fair ammount of ability to unfeel, so I should be fine.

Undyne didn't really piss me off that much, to be honest. Though I still beat her to near-death before running away, for teh lulz.

Her chara design pissed me off.

That smile.
That bloody smile.
And those anime monologues, god were they annoying.

Lawl.

Eh, I liked her before she removed her helmet.

[Serah]

Her chara design pissed me off.

That smile.
That bloody smile.
And those anime monologues, god were they annoying.

Lawl.

Eh, I liked her before she removed her helmet.

Same, I preferred that actually.

[Elysian Kentarchy]

Ah Undertale is sitting on my wishlist on Steam. Don't have the money or time to get it yet. It looks interesting (I skipped through most of the text for now due to spoiler worries, genocide route already spoiled it enough for me that makes me really curious ). As a side note added to my post and added a Kristina perspective which is a bit of a commentary on their lives. Also I am experimenting on colored text for various things relating to Kristina.

Fun fact: starvation rations are pretty much rations with a calorie count between 600 and 800 per day which means if it is 800 then it is less than half the amount a woman needs and less than a third for men (on average though) and if it is the 600... well you can imagine how bad it would be. And as for Kristina and Rache well... suffice to say Kristina's needed calorie intake for a day is over 3,000 and Rache's is over 4,000 so pretty much the two were not receiving anywhere near the amount of nutrition they needed before they came here, yes the war to defend Cathedral Vigil is going that poorly. Okay that wasn't such a fun fact.

Kristina notes the situation will be improved in a month so things are looking up. So a more humorous aspect of that bleak side note is that both are massive eaters as a result so expect them to be eating massive amounts of food when they can because of them being used to periods of starvation.

[Pyrade]

Ah Undertale is sitting on my wishlist on Steam. Don't have the money or time to get it yet. It looks interesting (I skipped through most of the text for now due to spoiler worries, genocide route already spoiled it enough for me that makes me really curious ). As a side note added to my post and added a Kristina perspective which is a bit of a commentary on their lives. Also I am experimenting on colored text for various things relating to Kristina.

Fun fact: starvation rations are pretty much rations with a calorie count between 600 and 800 per day which means if it is 800 then it is less than half the amount a woman needs and less than a third for men (on average though) and if it is the 600... well you can imagine how bad it would be. And as for Kristina and Rache well... suffice to say Kristina's needed calorie intake for a day is over 3,000 and Rache's is over 4,000 so pretty much the two were not receiving anywhere near the amount of nutrition they needed before they came here, yes the war to defend Cathedral Vigil is going that poorly. Okay that wasn't such a fun fact.

Kristina notes the situation will be improved in a month so things are looking up. So a more humorous aspect of that bleak side note is that both are massive eaters as a result so expect them to be eating massive amounts of food when they can because of them being used to periods of starvation.

Surely periods of starvation would mean their bodies have adjusted to eating very little food?
Also, if you have no money, try From The Depths. Its a little tricky to get into, but its addictive. Tis sandbox game by the by.

[Elysian Kentarchy]

Ah Undertale is sitting on my wishlist on Steam. Don't have the money or time to get it yet. It looks interesting (I skipped through most of the text for now due to spoiler worries, genocide route already spoiled it enough for me that makes me really curious ). As a side note added to my post and added a Kristina perspective which is a bit of a commentary on their lives. Also I am experimenting on colored text for various things relating to Kristina.

Fun fact: starvation rations are pretty much rations with a calorie count between 600 and 800 per day which means if it is 800 then it is less than half the amount a woman needs and less than a third for men (on average though) and if it is the 600... well you can imagine how bad it would be. And as for Kristina and Rache well... suffice to say Kristina's needed calorie intake for a day is over 3,000 and Rache's is over 4,000 so pretty much the two were not receiving anywhere near the amount of nutrition they needed before they came here, yes the war to defend Cathedral Vigil is going that poorly. Okay that wasn't such a fun fact.

Kristina notes the situation will be improved in a month so things are looking up. So a more humorous aspect of that bleak side note is that both are massive eaters as a result so expect them to be eating massive amounts of food when they can because of them being used to periods of starvation.

Surely periods of starvation would mean their bodies have adjusted to eating very little food?
Also, if you have no money, try From The Depths. Its a little tricky to get into, but its addictive. Tis sandbox game by the by.

IC the food shortages have been going on for the past 6 months (long story short a lot of their food surpluses went up in flames or were seized by the lawless) so yes they have adapted and that was hinted to when Rache remarks on Kristina's stomach growling after "only 8 hours" as being odd, plus their training includes going hungry in case this event does happen and meaning they can survive on rations that other groups would revolt over. But I was more highlighting how they don't meet their daily need for calories, by a great deal, back home and thus now that they are at a place that doesn't seem to be running low on food anytime soon they would eat a lot.

*looks From the Depths up on steam* looks interesting, into the wishlist with thee!

[Pyrade]

IC the food shortages have been going on for the past 6 months (long story short a lot of their food surpluses went up in flames or were seized by the lawless) so yes they have adapted and that was hinted to when Rache remarks on Kristina's stomach growling after "only 8 hours" as being odd, plus their training includes going hungry in case this event does happen and meaning they can survive on rations that other groups would revolt over. But I was more highlighting how they don't meet their daily need for calories, by a great deal, back home and thus now that they are at a place that doesn't seem to be running low on food anytime soon they would eat a lot.

*looks From the Depths up on steam* looks interesting, into the wishlist with thee!

Eh, but usually those who have been through and survived a starvation usually can't munch a lot of rich food. It makes them ill because their system is not used to handling it.

Or at least that's how I think it is with humans *shrugs* eh, whatever.

[Elysian Kentarchy]

IC the food shortages have been going on for the past 6 months (long story short a lot of their food surpluses went up in flames or were seized by the lawless) so yes they have adapted and that was hinted to when Rache remarks on Kristina's stomach growling after "only 8 hours" as being odd, plus their training includes going hungry in case this event does happen and meaning they can survive on rations that other groups would revolt over. But I was more highlighting how they don't meet their daily need for calories, by a great deal, back home and thus now that they are at a place that doesn't seem to be running low on food anytime soon they would eat a lot.

*looks From the Depths up on steam* looks interesting, into the wishlist with thee!

Eh, but usually those who have been through and survived a starvation usually can't munch a lot of rich food. It makes them ill because their system is not used to handling it.

Or at least that's how I think it is with humans *shrugs* eh, whatever.

I am not that familiar with human biology unfortunately so I am making it up as I go along. So let me try to adapt what you said to this.
Though they don't have to eat a lot of rich food, just food to sustain themselves, hardtack is in no way a rich food yet that was Rache's breakfast today for example, and meats would be slightly under cooked and unseasoned, food such as say corn wouldn't have any salt and butter on it, potatoes and rice would be unseasoned and eaten raw or warmed up, etc. Just to minimize or adapt themselves to foods that are too rich for themselves. Though I am kinda leaning a bit more towards animal like where they store or stuff themselves with enough food to last themselves for the duration. Think of it as them recovering from the starvation to bring themselves up to par and storing food and proteins in their body in case they do starve again. Though an important side note, I think, is that despite the food shortage they are not low on alcohol due to plenty of it being brewed and stored and they drink it more often than water, so maybe alcohol, depending on type, would be rich enough to off set that side effect of starvation or make some form of medium (this is a complete guess and has no foundation in anything besides an idea I came up with)

In short they are capable of subsisting on extremely poor and little food due to their training and circumstances but they eat a lot when they can. Plus there is one aspect I forgot to mention: they get great amounts of exercise in on most days (note the climbing tree after duel thing) so they burn up calories faster than most so they ingest a lot of food when they can in order to keep themselves from collapsing. When you are starving most would expect you to lay around doing as little to save energy (calories), for these two it is not an option since they need to run, use magic, and fight very often.

[Esternial]

Eh, but usually those who have been through and survived a starvation usually can't munch a lot of rich food. It makes them ill because their system is not used to handling it.

Or at least that's how I think it is with humans *shrugs* eh, whatever.

I am not that familiar with human biology unfortunately so I am making it up as I go along. So let me try to adapt what you said to this.
Though they don't have to eat a lot of rich food, just food to sustain themselves, hardtack is in no way a rich food yet that was Rache's breakfast today for example, and meats would be slightly under cooked and unseasoned, food such as say corn wouldn't have any salt and butter on it, potatoes and rice would be unseasoned and eaten raw or warmed up, etc. Just to minimize or adapt themselves to foods that are too rich for themselves. Though I am kinda leaning a bit more towards animal like where they store or stuff themselves with enough food to last themselves for the duration. Think of it as them recovering from the starvation to bring themselves up to par and storing food and proteins in their body in case they do starve again. Though an important side note, I think, is that despite the food shortage they are not low on alcohol due to plenty of it being brewed and stored and they drink it more often than water, so maybe alcohol, depending on type, would be rich enough to off set that side effect of starvation or make some form of medium (this is a complete guess and has no foundation in anything besides an idea I came up with)

So then they're supposed to be kinda fat, I assume?

Fat reserves are pretty much our largest form of long-term storage of metabolic energy. Other reserves are depleted pretty quickly.

Also, I'm not so sure that them drinking alcohol that often is really smart. It would dehydrate them, so them "drinking it more often than water" would basically add to an already unhealthy lifestyle, considering they also don't eat that much and when they do, do so irregularly.

Don't think it's likely that they'd have the energy to do all that. When starving, your body also acquires nutrients by breaking down your muscles. Eating a shitload of proteins in one sitting won't really help a lot, since your body gets rid of any excess. You need a constant influx of proteins if you want to build/maintain muscle.

[Elysian Kentarchy]

I am not that familiar with human biology unfortunately so I am making it up as I go along. So let me try to adapt what you said to this.
Though they don't have to eat a lot of rich food, just food to sustain themselves, hardtack is in no way a rich food yet that was Rache's breakfast today for example, and meats would be slightly under cooked and unseasoned, food such as say corn wouldn't have any salt and butter on it, potatoes and rice would be unseasoned and eaten raw or warmed up, etc. Just to minimize or adapt themselves to foods that are too rich for themselves. Though I am kinda leaning a bit more towards animal like where they store or stuff themselves with enough food to last themselves for the duration. Think of it as them recovering from the starvation to bring themselves up to par and storing food and proteins in their body in case they do starve again. Though an important side note, I think, is that despite the food shortage they are not low on alcohol due to plenty of it being brewed and stored and they drink it more often than water, so maybe alcohol, depending on type, would be rich enough to off set that side effect of starvation or make some form of medium (this is a complete guess and has no foundation in anything besides an idea I came up with)

So then they're supposed to be kinda fat, I assume?

Fat reserves are pretty much our largest form of long-term storage of metabolic energy. Other reserves are depleted pretty quickly.

Also, I'm not so sure that them drinking alcohol that often is really smart. It would dehydrate them, so them "drinking it more often than water" would basically add to an already unhealthy lifestyle, considering they also don't eat that much and when they do, do so irregularly.

Don't think it's likely that they'd have the energy to do all that. When starving, your body also acquires nutrients by breaking down your muscles. Eating a shitload of proteins in one sitting won't really help a lot, since your body gets rid of any excess. You need a constant influx of proteins if you want to build/maintain muscle.

Not really, Kristina is on the lower end of healthy weight considering her height (6'1 at 155 lbs) and Rache is at 6'1 at 170 lbs but that is due to the exercise they get and was originally higher, and while at the academy they will gain a little weight due to them taking normal food. And protein was just an example what I was more meaning is that they will improve their nutrition. Also they do eat regularly but not a whole lot. Also, historically speaking, there have been armies who have fought despite food supplies being poor so I doing that.

Now for some retconning on my part (take everything I say as an idea that I am still shaping to a conclusion for future reference since I need time to refine things and take in others opinion's) They reached starvation level for their rations only two months ago but they began rationing much more highly six months ago (again this is refining my stance and besides it doesn't make sense that they would immediately reach starvation besides Kristina said they reached that point recently and some wouldn't consider 6 months ago recently). The lawless do not have much energy either due to them being cut off from their food supplies at every possible moment so they are fighting just as poorly if not worse and estimates give that they have to retreat within a month or starve to death. (they need to import food from their homes otherwise they will run out).

As for the alcohol I wasn't saying they replaced water with it, they still have plenty of that, but it was more me saying that they drink it more often than water normally I meant nothing more than that (my usual joke about them drinking a lot).

[Zarkenis Ultima]

You guys sure discuss a lot of shit. It's so weird. I just handwave such things with "they're evolved humans, they can breathe in space ffs"

@Serah: Doing a Genocide Run. Barely got past Undyne the Undying. Can't get past sans. >.> <.<

Also, that scene with Papyrus. So sad.

[Esternial]

Also, historically speaking, there have been armies who have fought despite food supplies being poor so I doing that.

Sure, but you can't expect Rache and Kristina's actual performance in combat to match their powergrid if you want to take that route.

These armies might have fought, but not as effectively, no doubt.

[Zarkenis Ultima]

Also, historically speaking, there have been armies who have fought despite food supplies being poor so I doing that.

Sure, but you can't expect Rache and Kristina's actual performance in combat to match their powergrid if you want to take that route.

These armies might have fought, but not as effectively, no doubt.

...

Kyr got beat up by a half-starved Rache?

Well isn't that amusing. Hopefully nobody will tell Gin.

[Ularn]

You guys sure discuss a lot of shit. It's so weird. I just handwave such things with "they're evolved humans, they can breathe in space ffs"

Y'all who haven't really need to go and read some books from Iain M Banks' Cultureverse series. The humans in that have gone through enough genetic engineering over the generations to make them roughly analogous to a redemit. These guys have complete conscious control over their own bodies, pretty much down to the cellular level. That means, for example, that if any of them were to develop cancer they would detect it immediately and dispatch white blood cells or whatever to deal with it as easily as you'd clip your fingernails - more easily, since they wouldn't have to find clippers.

Other aspects of their physiology are equally interesting; a human in the Cultureverse cannot get pregnant unless they want to and, if they change their minds, can abort the foetus with a thought. They can change sex almost as easily; once begun, the process of the body absorbing the existing genitalia and growing new ones takes just a few months. An array of drug glands in their brains allow them to get drunk or stoned on demand with no hangover or ill effects. Other drug combinations can speed up their awareness or keep them awake for extended periods of time. They can switch off pain signals with a thought and similarly choose whether or not they want their bodies to actually process potentially harmful chemicals they might ingest - like poisons or alcohol. Because the Culture is a post-scarcity utopia, no-one in the novels is ever depicted starving but if they were then I'm sure they could slow down their own metabolises or whatever to cope.

In theory, a Culture citizen is effectively immortal and could stay looking young and beautiful forever. In practice, most people simply get bored of their lives after around four-hundred years or so and ask to be euthanised or have their minds put into storage until some sort of criteria are met (e.g. "Bring me back to see the universe end or more sports team win the championship, in which case I want to come back as a youthful nubile cheerleader!" "Sure, but given your team's performance, I'd go with the universe ending thing")

I don't know if they could breathe in space, but they could probably enter some sort of hibernation state that would allow them to survive the experience until they were rescued.

I don't know how much of this works with the setting Zark's come up with, but it's a bunch of cool ideas I thought were worth suggesting.

[Zarkenis Ultima]

You guys sure discuss a lot of shit. It's so weird. I just handwave such things with "they're evolved humans, they can breathe in space ffs"

Y'all who haven't really need to go and read some books from Iain M Banks' Cultureverse series. The humans in that have gone through enough genetic engineering over the generations to make them roughly analogous to a redemit. These guys have complete conscious control over their own bodies, pretty much down to the cellular level. That means, for example, that if any of them were to develop cancer they would detect it immediately and dispatch white blood cells or whatever to deal with it as easily as you'd clip your fingernails - more easily, since they wouldn't have to find clippers.

Other aspects of their physiology are equally interesting; a human in the Cultureverse cannot get pregnant unless they want to and, if they change their minds, can abort the foetus with a thought. They can change sex almost as easily; once begun, the process of the body absorbing the existing genitalia and growing new ones takes just a few months. An array of drug glands in their brains allow them to get drunk or stoned on demand with no hangover or ill effects. Other drug combinations can speed up their awareness or keep them awake for extended periods of time. They can switch off pain signals with a thought and similarly choose whether or not they want their bodies to actually process potentially harmful chemicals they might ingest - like poisons or alcohol. Because the Culture is a post-scarcity utopia, no-one in the novels is ever depicted starving but if they were then I'm sure they could slow down their own metabolises or whatever to cope.

In theory, a Culture citizen is effectively immortal and could stay looking young and beautiful forever. In practice, most people simply get bored of their lives after around four-hundred years or so and ask to be euthanised or have their minds put into storage until some sort of criteria are met (e.g. "Bring me back to see the universe end or more sports team win the championship, in which case I want to come back as a youthful nubile cheerleader!" "Sure, but given your team's performance, I'd go with the universe ending thing")

I don't know if they could breathe in space, but they could probably enter some sort of hibernation state that would allow them to survive the experience until they were rescued.

I don't know how much of this works with the setting Zark's come up with, but it's a bunch of cool ideas I thought were worth suggesting.

Some of that sounds downright creepy.

I mean, sure, the sex change thing would be very convenient for those Trans folks not to suffer or anything but holy shit.

Anyway, I don't think there's much overlap between them and the Redemit, though I haven't defined their physiology nearly as much as that person who wrote that thing you're talking about.

[Ularn]

Eh, if it sounds weird it's because I'm explaining it badly. There's a lot of stuff in the Cultureverse that sounds creepy when you summarise it; like the entire society being, in theory, a perfect democratic anarcho-communist utopia, but one that's actually run by a bunch of benevolent supercomputers easily capable of persuading and manipulating the population to do whatever they need to. You really need to read the books to get a better idea of how this is actually an awesome place that you'd totally want to live in.

Anyway, gender and sexuality have effectively been eliminated as social constructs in the Culture; pretty much everyone's bisexual, bicurious and/or transcurious (is that a thing?) and having a sex change has become so easy and routine (and reversible) that most people will do it at some point in their lives just out of curiosity or wanting to try something different. Some parents will actually sync up their sex changes so they can both be pregnant at the same time while also fathering their partner's child.

[Zarkenis Ultima]

Eh, if it sounds weird it's because I'm explaining it badly. There's a lot of stuff in the Cultureverse that sounds creepy when you summarise it; like the entire society being, in theory, a perfect democratic anarcho-communist utopia, but one that's actually run by a bunch of benevolent supercomputers easily capable of persuading and manipulating the population to do whatever they need to. You really need to read the books to get a better idea of how this is actually an awesome place that you'd totally want to live in.

Anyway, gender and sexuality have effectively been eliminated as social constructs in the Culture; pretty much everyone's bisexual, bicurious and/or transcurious (is that a thing?) and having a sex change has become so easy and routine (and reversible) that most people will do it at some point in their lives just out of curiosity or wanting to try something different. Some parents will actually sync up their sex changes so they can both be pregnant at the same time while also fathering their partner's child.

...Right.

[Mortelatuzia]

Sorry for the delay everyone. I'll try and get a post up tonight. I've had a depressing few days.

[Zarkenis Ultima]

Sorry for the delay everyone. I'll try and get a post up tonight. I've had a depressing few days.

Do you need a hug?

Because if you don't, that's too fucking bad.

[Saleon]

Sorry for the delay everyone. I'll try and get a post up tonight. I've had a depressing few days.

Do you need a hug?

Because if you don't, that's too fucking bad.

*joins in the hugging of mort

[Mortelatuzia]

Do you need a hug?

Because if you don't, that's too fucking bad.

*joins in the hugging of mort

Thanks guys. Really.