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Postby Glajinard » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:27 pm

Harbertia wrote:We should ask Pinki3. To my mind the house of commons would offer a lot more corruption then the house of Lords. I think the reason it doesn't exist is due to a theme of Elitism, which really isn't that bad of a concept (Elitism in the Victorian sense which involved noble obligation to the people, and use of wealth, and education to better the world though financing of colonial, and missionary projects). I know England has a history of greedy commoners attempting to take power. In my mind I feel the Republican movement is an extension of that. Though I'd like to not speak real world politics, and instead focus on how this district is going to be governed. I personally favor the permanent seats for nobility in a two house parliamentary legislature where only lords can hold the Prime Minister's office.


Ah, I understand. Although the House of Commons of the early 19th Century was a bastion of elitism, it was controlled by moneyed interests. Due to corruption, especially rotten boroughs and property requirements for voting, the elites were firmly in control of it. We could replicate and enhance that. I'd prefer to have a corrupt House of Commons and use your suggestion about the House of Lords.

On a related note, you'll notice I included vampires as common in Velborough, I figured the elites would favor immortality, to continue their rule indefinitely.

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Postby Harbertia » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:31 pm

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Harbertia wrote:We should ask Pinki3. To my mind the house of commons would offer a lot more corruption then the house of Lords. I think the reason it doesn't exist is due to a theme of Elitism, which really isn't that bad of a concept (Elitism in the Victorian sense which involved noble obligation to the people, and use of wealth, and education to better the world though financing of colonial, and missionary projects). I know England has a history of greedy commoners attempting to take power. In my mind I feel the Republican movement is an extension of that. Though I'd like to not speak real world politics, and instead focus on how this district is going to be governed. I personally favor the permanent seats for nobility in a two house parliamentary legislature where only lords can hold the Prime Minister's office.


Ah, I understand. Although the House of Commons of the early 19th Century was a bastion of elitism, it was controlled by moneyed interests. Due to corruption, especially rotten boroughs and property requirements for voting, the elites were firmly in control of it. We could replicate and enhance that. I'd prefer to have a corrupt House of Commons and use your suggestion about the House of Lords.

On a related note, you'll notice I included vampires as common in Velborough, I figured the elites would favor immortality, to continue their rule indefinitely.


I did notice, and feel that Vampires fit well with the culture of the district, which has that early 1800s, late 1700s feel to it.

I am all for your idea concerning the government; Charmera, Pinki3, what do ya'll think?
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Postby Pinki3 Pon-3 » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:35 pm

Sure, but make sure there isn't a clean borough in site.
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Postby Harbertia » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:38 pm

Pinki3 Pon-3 wrote:Sure, but make sure there isn't a clean borough in site.

Reputation-ally clean, domestically clean, or both?

Also, what if someone wants to play an upstanding white knight of a fellow, a philanthropist of industry whose feeling the pressure of his peers; a young individual who will be chewed out if he can't man up to his competitors, becoming as ruthless as they are?
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Postby Glajinard » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:49 pm

Pinki3 Pon-3 wrote:Sure, but make sure there isn't a clean borough in site.


Haha, I feel that has been uttered more than once in history :p

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Pinki3 Pon-3 wrote:Sure, but make sure there isn't a clean borough in site.

Reputation-ally clean, domestically clean, or both?

Also, what if someone wants to play an upstanding white knight of a fellow, a philanthropist of industry whose feeling the pressure of his peers; a young individual who will be chewed out if he can't man up to his competitors, becoming as ruthless as they are?


Perhaps he could interact with my clockwork automaton. I've been thinking about it, and I think I'll have him become fed-up with the working conditions of his fellow automata and other workers, and he'll go to Spindleton to learn from/work with the anarchists and socialists. I'm thinking the socialists should be the only party in Spindleton that's actually principled, while the other two are just shams for different competing criminal groups.

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Postby Pinki3 Pon-3 » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:56 pm

Glajinard wrote:
Pinki3 Pon-3 wrote:Sure, but make sure there isn't a clean borough in site.


Haha, I feel that has been uttered more than once in history :p

Harbertia wrote:Reputation-ally clean, domestically clean, or both?

Also, what if someone wants to play an upstanding white knight of a fellow, a philanthropist of industry whose feeling the pressure of his peers; a young individual who will be chewed out if he can't man up to his competitors, becoming as ruthless as they are?


Perhaps he could interact with my clockwork automaton. I've been thinking about it, and I think I'll have him become fed-up with the working conditions of his fellow automata and other workers, and he'll go to Spindleton to learn from/work with the anarchists and socialists. I'm thinking the socialists should be the only party in Spindleton that's actually principled, while the other two are just shams for different competing criminal groups.

Hmmm . . . .I feel like I wanna play a char that say that.
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Postby Harbertia » Tue Dec 30, 2014 6:03 pm

Glajinard wrote:
Pinki3 Pon-3 wrote:Sure, but make sure there isn't a clean borough in site.


Haha, I feel that has been uttered more than once in history :p

Harbertia wrote:Reputation-ally clean, domestically clean, or both?

Also, what if someone wants to play an upstanding white knight of a fellow, a philanthropist of industry whose feeling the pressure of his peers; a young individual who will be chewed out if he can't man up to his competitors, becoming as ruthless as they are?


Perhaps he could interact with my clockwork automaton. I've been thinking about it, and I think I'll have him become fed-up with the working conditions of his fellow automata and other workers, and he'll go to Spindleton to learn from/work with the anarchists and socialists. I'm thinking the socialists should be the only party in Spindleton that's actually principled, while the other two are just shams for different competing criminal groups.


The Spindleton aspect sounds good to me, though one can't deny that Union Bosses would at times have their own Mafia connections, and would resort to the use of force in order to get payment of union dues. At least, here in the United States. Organized crime would financially support unions in order to have something to hold over business men who didn't allow them use of certain assets (like a pier, or warehouse). In fact, the mafia would at times act as mediator between Employee, and Employer. So I wouldn't say the socialist are 'squicky clean'. Look hard enough and you'll find dirt on just about anyone in politics.

If I do decide to go with a care whose idea came from memory of a show I had to watch during American History class back when I attended Highschool, I see no reason for the characters to not interact. I think the easiest way for your Automata to get to Spindleton would be a work visa.
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Postby Glajinard » Tue Dec 30, 2014 6:05 pm

Harbertia wrote:The Spindleton aspect sounds good to me, though one can't deny that Union Bosses would at times have their own Mafia connections, and would resort to the use of force in order to get payment of union dues. At least, here in the United States. Organized crime would financially support unions in order to have something to hold over business men who didn't allow them use of certain assets (like a pier, or warehouse). In fact, the mafia would at times act as mediator between Employee, and Employer. So I wouldn't say the socialist are 'squicky clean'. Look hard enough and you'll find dirt on just about anyone in politics.

If I do decide to go with a care whose idea came from memory of a show I had to watch during American History class back when I attended Highschool, I see no reason for the characters to not interact. I think the easiest way for your Automata to get to Spindleton would be a work visa.


Hmm, then perhaps he tries to work with the Socialists, sees they're pretty corrupt too, and then goes full anarchist. Straight up terrorist automaton with a grudge. *explosions*

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Postby Harbertia » Tue Dec 30, 2014 6:11 pm

Glajinard wrote:
Harbertia wrote:The Spindleton aspect sounds good to me, though one can't deny that Union Bosses would at times have their own Mafia connections, and would resort to the use of force in order to get payment of union dues. At least, here in the United States. Organized crime would financially support unions in order to have something to hold over business men who didn't allow them use of certain assets (like a pier, or warehouse). In fact, the mafia would at times act as mediator between Employee, and Employer. So I wouldn't say the socialist are 'squicky clean'. Look hard enough and you'll find dirt on just about anyone in politics.

If I do decide to go with a care whose idea came from memory of a show I had to watch during American History class back when I attended Highschool, I see no reason for the characters to not interact. I think the easiest way for your Automata to get to Spindleton would be a work visa.


Hmm, then perhaps he tries to work with the Socialists, sees they're pretty corrupt too, and then goes full anarchist. Straight up terrorist automaton with a grudge. *explosions*

So long as he doesn't resemble Bender in personality I'm fine with that :lol:
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Postby Harbertia » Tue Dec 30, 2014 6:21 pm

Pinki3 Pon-3 wrote:Hmmm . . . .I feel like I wanna play a char that say that.

You can, it'd be nice to have a few lobbyists in game! I do think that, while we do mention the darker side of the city, we should also try to reflect the lighter side as well.
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Postby Glajinard » Tue Dec 30, 2014 6:35 pm

Harbertia wrote:
Pinki3 Pon-3 wrote:Hmmm . . . .I feel like I wanna play a char that say that.

You can, it'd be nice to have a few lobbyists in game! I do think that, while we do mention the darker side of the city, we should also try to reflect the lighter side as well.


If we're gonna have the white knight, we do need his antagonist, The Rt. Hon. Earl Mothballs, vampire esq.

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Postby Harbertia » Tue Dec 30, 2014 6:41 pm

Glajinard wrote:
Harbertia wrote:You can, it'd be nice to have a few lobbyists in game! I do think that, while we do mention the darker side of the city, we should also try to reflect the lighter side as well.


If we're gonna have the white knight, we do need his antagonist, The Rt. Hon. Earl Mothballs, vampire esq.


:o GLORIOUS! :lol:

(I imagine a character resembling one of the elderly gents from Sleepy Hollow, the movie with Johnny Depp)
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Postby Pinki3 Pon-3 » Tue Dec 30, 2014 6:57 pm

Glajinard wrote:
Harbertia wrote:You can, it'd be nice to have a few lobbyists in game! I do think that, while we do mention the darker side of the city, we should also try to reflect the lighter side as well.


If we're gonna have the white knight, we do need his antagonist, The Rt. Hon. Earl Mothballs, vampire esq.

:o :twisted: Evil vampire pretending to be the honourable enlightener through his product while secretly swaying the vote, devouring virgins and slaying kittens? :twisted:
I am so prepared for this, its time to un ponify Black Tie
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Postby Pinki3 Pon-3 » Tue Dec 30, 2014 6:58 pm

Harbertia wrote:
Glajinard wrote:
If we're gonna have the white knight, we do need his antagonist, The Rt. Hon. Earl Mothballs, vampire esq.


:o GLORIOUS! :lol:

(I imagine a character resembling one of the elderly gents from Sleepy Hollow, the movie with Johnny Depp)

SUCH AMAZE MOVIE!!!!

Dunno if you've seen the TV series Dracula? With Jonathan Rhys Meyers?
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Postby Harbertia » Tue Dec 30, 2014 7:10 pm

Pinki3 Pon-3 wrote:
Harbertia wrote:
:o GLORIOUS! :lol:

(I imagine a character resembling one of the elderly gents from Sleepy Hollow, the movie with Johnny Depp)

SUCH AMAZE MOVIE!!!!

Dunno if you've seen the TV series Dracula? With Jonathan Rhys Meyers?

*Looks up images of the series*
I haven't, but want to now!
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Postby Pinki3 Pon-3 » Tue Dec 30, 2014 7:13 pm

Harbertia wrote:
Pinki3 Pon-3 wrote:SUCH AMAZE MOVIE!!!!

Dunno if you've seen the TV series Dracula? With Jonathan Rhys Meyers?

*Looks up images of the series*
I haven't, but want to now!

SOOOOO much of the goods!!! Honestly, one of the best series ever!!! It goes with the traditional Dracula vampire (which I love) and how he works to keep him self hidden while starting a company offering wireless electricity. Not to be watched with parents or young siblings present, but much amaze!!!

. . . Much miss that series :'(
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Postby Pinki3 Pon-3 » Tue Dec 30, 2014 7:15 pm

Is it okay if my char is based off of that Dracula?
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Postby Harbertia » Tue Dec 30, 2014 7:20 pm

Pinki3 Pon-3 wrote:Is it okay if my char is based off of that Dracula?

You can be anyone you like :p
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Postby Pinki3 Pon-3 » Tue Dec 30, 2014 7:25 pm

Harbertia wrote:
Pinki3 Pon-3 wrote:Is it okay if my char is based off of that Dracula?

You can be anyone you like :p

:twisted: very good
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Postby Harbertia » Tue Dec 30, 2014 7:45 pm

We've made a lot of progress over these few days, and now with a good description of government for each district, we are on the threshold of the Interest, and eventually OOC. We'll assume the town's government is a council of representatives, with a mayor elected from among them who meet in the Nexus.

Races still need attributes fleshed out. The list of them can be found on page 36 of this thread.
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Postby Glajinard » Tue Dec 30, 2014 8:00 pm

I'm wondering if we really need halflings, is there really a terrible lot of difference between hobbits and gnomes, or even humans? And I know they're different, but I wonder if we need hounds and werewolves.

I thought up a couple more attributes.

Automata:
-I really just thought that "General Lot in Life" could be renamed "Purpose-built," to give it a catchy name like the others.

Elemental:
Spirit Connection: Being basically a spirit embodying one of the elements, elementals have a fundamental connection to the spirit world, and easily perform magic associated with it.
Trusting the Elements: Creatures associated with the elemental's element will normally be friendly and cooperative (e.g. birds for air elementals, fish for water elementals)

Elf:
-Marksman: From slings, to bows, to rifles, elves seem to have an uncanny ability to shoot accurately, with minimal training.
-Lightfoot: Elves are acrobatic and athletic, easily performing feats that would put a human in the hospital.

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Postby The Templar High Council » Tue Dec 30, 2014 10:18 pm

Harbertia wrote:
Glajinard wrote:
Haha, I feel that has been uttered more than once in history :p



Perhaps he could interact with my clockwork automaton. I've been thinking about it, and I think I'll have him become fed-up with the working conditions of his fellow automata and other workers, and he'll go to Spindleton to learn from/work with the anarchists and socialists. I'm thinking the socialists should be the only party in Spindleton that's actually principled, while the other two are just shams for different competing criminal groups.


The Spindleton aspect sounds good to me, though one can't deny that Union Bosses would at times have their own Mafia connections, and would resort to the use of force in order to get payment of union dues. At least, here in the United States. Organized crime would financially support unions in order to have something to hold over business men who didn't allow them use of certain assets (like a pier, or warehouse). In fact, the mafia would at times act as mediator between Employee, and Employer. So I wouldn't say the socialist are 'squicky clean'. Look hard enough and you'll find dirt on just about anyone in politics.

If I do decide to go with a care whose idea came from memory of a show I had to watch during American History class back when I attended Highschool, I see no reason for the characters to not interact. I think the easiest way for your Automata to get to Spindleton would be a work visa.

All I know about me so far is: Mafioso with connections. I want to know people. And have them fear/respect me. But not leading a crime family. More like lieutenant.
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Postby Harbertia » Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:04 pm

The Templar High Council wrote:All I know about me so far is: Mafioso with connections. I want to know people. And have them fear/respect me. But not leading a crime family. More like lieutenant.

I like that.
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Postby The Templar High Council » Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:08 pm

Harbertia wrote:
The Templar High Council wrote:All I know about me so far is: Mafioso with connections. I want to know people. And have them fear/respect me. But not leading a crime family. More like lieutenant.

I like that.

Maybe lead a family. Would it be possible for my connections to cross borders? Like have Mafia guys operating in other districts, but undercover?
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Postby Harbertia » Tue Dec 30, 2014 11:21 pm

Glajinard wrote:I'm wondering if we really need halflings, is there really a terrible lot of difference between hobbits and gnomes, or even humans? And I know they're different, but I wonder if we need hounds and werewolves.

I thought up a couple more attributes.

Automata:
-I really just thought that "General Lot in Life" could be renamed "Purpose-built," to give it a catchy name like the others.

Elemental:
Spirit Connection: Being basically a spirit embodying one of the elements, elementals have a fundamental connection to the spirit world, and easily perform magic associated with it.
Trusting the Elements: Creatures associated with the elemental's element will normally be friendly and cooperative (e.g. birds for air elementals, fish for water elementals)

Elf:
-Marksman: From slings, to bows, to rifles, elves seem to have an uncanny ability to shoot accurately, with minimal training.
-Lightfoot: Elves are acrobatic and athletic, easily performing feats that would put a human in the hospital.


I can see the Hound, and Wolfkin as one bloodline, as they are both canines however the appearance is very different... we can do that, it was suggested before, but at the time I couldn't see it. Otherwise the hound would have few attributes, mostly involving loyalty, but a wolf can have that.

We might end up doing the same with Halflings, and Gnomes but they really really really are very different; so at the moment I'm not ready to merge them. Haflings have hairy leathery feat (thus why they don't wear shoes, their feat being like a dog's paw in it's thickness), and no facial hair. The Halfing lives an agrarian life, and values simple living. The Gnome wears shoes, doesn't have leathery feet, and sports a sizable beard. The Gnomes live under trees, or shrooms and either focus on the mining of gems, tinkering, or tending of sickly animals.

Both races have the following in common; smaller then a dwarf, lives in hills, and are known to smoke pipes. I can't think of anything else that makes them similar to each other, though if you can think of something please share it.

Will rename 'lot in life' to Purpose Built.

Iffy on the spirit connection, but the trusting elements sounds good.

Both Elven traits shall be added. I'll add the ability to move silently, as that too is a trait associated with the light footed elves. Not sure if it should be an extension of Light Footed, or a separate ability. What do you think?
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