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by Kriegers » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:53 pm

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by The New American commonwealth » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:01 pm
Armstdern wrote:Luremurg got deleted, so I'll have to use my alternate account now. I can prove that I'm Luremurg if needed.

by Imperial City-States » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:02 pm
Icrum wrote:Imperial City-States wrote:I swear , none of you understand the concept that you can't have massive Army's like you can in 'modern' day. This is after the Apocalypse , Modern logistics are practically non-existent. Your entire method of resupply and troop movement is going to be though either Ruck Marches , Rail Roads (what are left ) and Water ways. I mean you really couldn't sustain an active military over 60,000 to be entirely realistic. You simply lack the resources in a post apocalyptic world. Look at the Army's of the 18th and 19 Century's and those should be your gauge. All of this "500,000 Soldiers " Crap needs to stop because honestly i'm going to enjoy laughing at you guys when your Soldiers are under-equipped , under-trained and starving.
Many nations have rebuilt the railways and have a small amount of cargo automobiles. And I'm going to laugh when you get steamrolled because you are a realism nazi. There can be a slight distortion of reality to have up to 500K troops if it makes sense. Look at Australia. If he devotes most of the land to farmland, he could support a lot of troops. I've devoted a lot of Manchuria and Northern Korea to farmland.

by Ukrainian Cossacks » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:18 pm
Gyrenaica wrote:Imperial City-States wrote:I swear , none of you understand the concept that you can't have massive Army's like you can in 'modern' day. This is after the Apocalypse , Modern logistics are practically non-existent. Your entire method of resupply and troop movement is going to be though either Ruck Marches , Rail Roads (what are left ) and Water ways. I mean you really couldn't sustain an active military over 60,000 to be entirely realistic. You simply lack the resources in a post apocalyptic world. Look at the Army's of the 18th and 19 Century's and those should be your gauge. All of this "500,000 Soldiers " Crap needs to stop because honestly i'm going to enjoy laughing at you guys when your Soldiers are under-equipped , under-trained and starving.
How about me. I have a population of around 600K a
With about 10K or so army size.

by Old Craet » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:26 pm
Imperial City-States wrote:Icrum wrote:Many nations have rebuilt the railways and have a small amount of cargo automobiles. And I'm going to laugh when you get steamrolled because you are a realism nazi. There can be a slight distortion of reality to have up to 500K troops if it makes sense. Look at Australia. If he devotes most of the land to farmland, he could support a lot of troops. I've devoted a lot of Manchuria and Northern Korea to farmland.
You do realize that the middle of Australia is a massive desert ? And that with since Australia is a U.S ally not only would it likely take direct Nuclear hits in it's inhabited 'outer zones' but also would be subject to Nuclear Fallout from China rendering large amounts of the land useless either via a lack of water or lack of usable soil. The problem is having Five hundred thousand soldiers makes absolutely no sense because even Modern Military's with top of the line logistics can't support something that size for any duration of time.
As far as being a realism Nazi goes , Sure , i am , but i tend to expect a higher level of RP skill out of people as a result. That includes and is certainly not limited to , people being rational about their Army sizes. If i get steamrolled then i probably deserve it for not better preparing for something that was likely inevitable.

by The New American commonwealth » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:27 pm
Old Craet wrote:Imperial City-States wrote:
You do realize that the middle of Australia is a massive desert ? And that with since Australia is a U.S ally not only would it likely take direct Nuclear hits in it's inhabited 'outer zones' but also would be subject to Nuclear Fallout from China rendering large amounts of the land useless either via a lack of water or lack of usable soil. The problem is having Five hundred thousand soldiers makes absolutely no sense because even Modern Military's with top of the line logistics can't support something that size for any duration of time.
As far as being a realism Nazi goes , Sure , i am , but i tend to expect a higher level of RP skill out of people as a result. That includes and is certainly not limited to , people being rational about their Army sizes. If i get steamrolled then i probably deserve it for not better preparing for something that was likely inevitable.
Then there would be a problem for all farmers. If the radiation spreads all the way from China to Australia, then all the land would be covered in radiation. Maybe you should stop shoving this down our throats, and let us have fun unless it is completely ridiculous.

by Old Craet » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:31 pm
The New American commonwealth wrote:Old Craet wrote:Then there would be a problem for all farmers. If the radiation spreads all the way from China to Australia, then all the land would be covered in radiation. Maybe you should stop shoving this down our throats, and let us have fun unless it is completely ridiculous.
Umm, why would you care, you're not on the list of accepted Rp players...

by Bering » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:34 pm
Old Craet wrote:The New American commonwealth wrote:Umm, why would you care, you're not on the list of accepted Rp players...
I'm Icrum. But his statement means that all land is unusable which means, there would be no chance of survival. Plus, as I just looked up, the US has over 1 million active soldiers. So there is a sense of realism to have 500,000 soldiers in some scenarios.

by Old Craet » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:37 pm
Bering wrote:Old Craet wrote:I'm Icrum. But his statement means that all land is unusable which means, there would be no chance of survival. Plus, as I just looked up, the US has over 1 million active soldiers. So there is a sense of realism to have 500,000 soldiers in some scenarios.
Just to nitpick, 1 million is less than .33% of the total US population. It is not just about number of troops, but about the percentage of them compared to the total population

by Bering » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:43 pm
Old Craet wrote:Bering wrote:Just to nitpick, 1 million is less than .33% of the total US population. It is not just about number of troops, but about the percentage of them compared to the total population
Exactly. If I had my 700K military, I'd have 7% of my people as soldiers, which is not bad. In fact, it's well within the zone of supplying.

by Gyrenaica » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:52 pm
Old Craet wrote:Bering wrote:Just to nitpick, 1 million is less than .33% of the total US population. It is not just about number of troops, but about the percentage of them compared to the total population
Exactly. If I had my 700K military, I'd have 7% of my people as soldiers, which is not bad. In fact, it's well within the zone of supplying.

by Ukrainian Cossacks » Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:55 pm
Old Craet wrote:The New American commonwealth wrote:Umm, why would you care, you're not on the list of accepted Rp players...
I'm Icrum. But his statement means that all land is unusable which means, there would be no chance of survival. Plus, as I just looked up, the US has over 1 million active soldiers. So there is a sense of realism to have 500,000 soldiers in some scenarios.

by Imperial City-States » Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:05 pm
Old Craet wrote:Bering wrote:Just to nitpick, 1 million is less than .33% of the total US population. It is not just about number of troops, but about the percentage of them compared to the total population
Exactly. If I had my 700K military, I'd have 7% of my people as soldiers, which is not bad. In fact, it's well within the zone of supplying.

by Old Craet » Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:06 pm
Imperial City-States wrote:Old Craet wrote:Exactly. If I had my 700K military, I'd have 7% of my people as soldiers, which is not bad. In fact, it's well within the zone of supplying.
You do know that the largest percentile of total population under arms during a war was 10% (Germany WW2 ) and 8% (US WW2 )And both respectively , Germany has no industry to speak of and hte US had to resort to 'Rosie the Rivitter' just to keep basic industry running. And that was , you know not after a nuclear fucking Apocalypse.

by Imperial City-States » Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:08 pm
Old Craet wrote:Imperial City-States wrote:
You do know that the largest percentile of total population under arms during a war was 10% (Germany WW2 ) and 8% (US WW2 )And both respectively , Germany has no industry to speak of and hte US had to resort to 'Rosie the Rivitter' just to keep basic industry running. And that was , you know not after a nuclear fucking Apocalypse.
But it was 10 years before our tech. So my military of 350K (Which I wished was still 700K) is 3.5% of my nation.

by Old Craet » Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:10 pm
Imperial City-States wrote:Old Craet wrote:But it was 10 years before our tech. So my military of 350K (Which I wished was still 700K) is 3.5% of my nation.
'Your Tech ' does not change the fact that there was a large nuclear exchange and vast amounts of the technology that the world depended upon are now gone. You really think that in the 21st Century there is much functional 1950's equipment laying around ? I have no problem with you doing it , that's entirely due to the fact that you're going to be unable to sustain an engagement for more than a few short weeks when operating at peak capacity.

by Armstdern » Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:11 pm
Imperial City-States wrote:Old Craet wrote:But it was 10 years before our tech. So my military of 350K (Which I wished was still 700K) is 3.5% of my nation.
'Your Tech ' does not change the fact that there was a large nuclear exchange and vast amounts of the technology that the world depended upon are now gone. You really think that in the 21st Century there is much functional 1950's equipment laying around ? I have no problem with you doing it , that's entirely due to the fact that you're going to be unable to sustain an engagement for more than a few short weeks when operating at peak capacity.

by Imperial City-States » Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:14 pm
Old Craet wrote:Imperial City-States wrote:
'Your Tech ' does not change the fact that there was a large nuclear exchange and vast amounts of the technology that the world depended upon are now gone. You really think that in the 21st Century there is much functional 1950's equipment laying around ? I have no problem with you doing it , that's entirely due to the fact that you're going to be unable to sustain an engagement for more than a few short weeks when operating at peak capacity.
Then your 'realism' is skewed. In a rebuilt nation of 10 million people, where a good majority of them can build 21st century tech, a military of 350K is beyond reasonable.

by Imperial City-States » Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:15 pm
Armstdern wrote:Imperial City-States wrote:
'Your Tech ' does not change the fact that there was a large nuclear exchange and vast amounts of the technology that the world depended upon are now gone. You really think that in the 21st Century there is much functional 1950's equipment laying around ? I have no problem with you doing it , that's entirely due to the fact that you're going to be unable to sustain an engagement for more than a few short weeks when operating at peak capacity.
I would've preferred to use tech from the late 1800's, but it appears no one gives a fuck what a cagian thinks.
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