The Years After (Post Nuclear War RP, OOC, Sign Ups)

[Mesrane]

Of course farmland would be left. Did you read where I talked about proximity to cities? Some old lady's garden in the Atlanta suburbs would not yield anything worth eating. Some ranch in Wyoming would continue to produce healthy beef. Some wheat farmer in western Sweden would remain relatively unaffected.

And so, due to N.K.'s lack of cities, I can use it a farmland.

Thus, North Korea alone can't support the kind of military you are advocating for.

[Luremurg]

Seriously though Scot, who would ever nuke Australia ._.

To make sure you go down with everyone else on the ship (world in this case)
I mean Russia has 2,700 useable nuclear missiles, Australia, as an ally of the US in a threat, and you want to bet out of 2,700 nukes, not a single one is pointed in the land down under?

As I said, if a major war was to break out Australia would leave the ANZUS treaty, same with NZ.

[Bering]

To make sure you go down with everyone else on the ship (world in this case)
I mean Russia has 2,700 useable nuclear missiles, Australia, as an ally of the US in a threat, and you want to bet out of 2,700 nukes, not a single one is pointed in the land down under?

As I said, if a major war was to break out Australia would leave the ANZUS treaty, same with NZ.

That doesn't mean they won't nuke you. Just because you are not at war with a country then it does not mean that the nukes are no longer pointed at you.
Whether or not you participate in a war against China and/or Russia is ultimately irrelevant to the question of whether or not either of them will end up nuking you when all the missiles start flying.

[Cainesland]

Most (or a large part) of Australia is covered in desert. Would that have changed from the nuclear war?

[Mesrane]

Most (or a large part) of Australia is covered in desert. Would that have changed from the nuclear war?

A lot of cities are concentrated in the southeast. But no, I don't think much of the deserts would have been affected much.

[Luremurg]

As I said, if a major war was to break out Australia would leave the ANZUS treaty, same with NZ.

That doesn't mean they won't nuke you. Just because you are not at war with a country then it does not mean that the nukes are no longer pointed at you.
Whether or not you participate in a war against China and/or Russia is ultimately irrelevant to the question of whether or not either of them will end up nuking you when all the missiles start flying.

You're so wrong. Russia or China would have no reason to nuke a neutral nation. Whether you like it or not Russia and China aren't crazed dictatorships like the DPRK, they have sensible leaders who have emotions. So no, Australia wouldn't be nuked when the nukes start flying, same with most other neutral nations.

[Luremurg]

Most (or a large part) of Australia is covered in desert. Would that have changed from the nuclear war?

Dunno, would probably stay the same.

[Mesrane]

That doesn't mean they won't nuke you. Just because you are not at war with a country then it does not mean that the nukes are no longer pointed at you.
Whether or not you participate in a war against China and/or Russia is ultimately irrelevant to the question of whether or not either of them will end up nuking you when all the missiles start flying.

You're so wrong. Russia or China would have no reason to nuke a neutral nation. Whether you like it or not Russia and China aren't crazed dictatorships like the DPRK, they have sensible leaders who have emotions. So no, Australia wouldn't be nuked when the nukes start flying, same with most other neutral nations.

How is Australia neutral in their eyes?

[Cainesland]

In my opinion. It doesn't rightly matter about that as I'm sure there wouldn't be much time to think about ones actions and there would be too much confusion to reconsider so there's a good chance that a nuclear war might last 10 maybe 20 minutes and destroy the world (relatively speaking). Therefore I'm not sure alliances would matter so much as how quickly you could unlock the control board with 2 or 3 keys and hit the big red button to launch the nukes would matter.

Edit: It's like that joke about someone throwing a shoe in a soviet sub.

[Icrum]

And so, due to N.K.'s lack of cities, I can use it a farmland.

Thus, North Korea alone can't support the kind of military you are advocating for.

But, I have a solid amount of Manchuria. All of N.K. and some land in Japan to support the troops.

[Luremurg]

You're so wrong. Russia or China would have no reason to nuke a neutral nation. Whether you like it or not Russia and China aren't crazed dictatorships like the DPRK, they have sensible leaders who have emotions. So no, Australia wouldn't be nuked when the nukes start flying, same with most other neutral nations.

How is Australia neutral in their eyes?

If Australia leaves the ANZUS treaty, declares war on no one and keeps to itself then that's being neutral.

[Mesrane]

Thus, North Korea alone can't support the kind of military you are advocating for.

But, I have a solid amount of Manchuria. All of N.K. and some land in Japan to support the troops.

Manchuria is part of what country again?

And Japan has godawful relations with which two Pacific nuclear powers?

[Mesrane]

How is Australia neutral in their eyes?

If Australia leaves the ANZUS treaty, declares war on no one and keeps to itself then that's being neutral.

No it isn't. Explain that rationale to Mr. Putin.

[New Decius]

I will give you a good reason China and Russia would nuke a neutral nation: To take out nations who could potentially become an opponent in the war.

The only neutral nation that would probably be spared the nukes realistically would probably be Switzerland. Their everybody's banker and come on, when have the Swiss actually fought in war. Never.

[Luremurg]

If Australia leaves the ANZUS treaty, declares war on no one and keeps to itself then that's being neutral.

No it isn't. Explain that rationale to Mr. Putin.

Don't tell me your one of those people that believe Vladimir's Hitler, do you?

[Icrum]

I will give you a good reason China and Russia would nuke a neutral nation: To take out nations who could potentially become an opponent in the war.

The only neutral nation that would probably be spared the nukes realistically would probably be Switzerland. Their everybody's banker and come on, when have the Swiss actually fought in war. Never.

But they have supplied troops to other nations. Such as the Swiss Guard.

[Luremurg]

I will give you a good reason China and Russia would nuke a neutral nation: To take out nations who could potentially become an opponent in the war.

The only neutral nation that would probably be spared the nukes realistically would probably be Switzerland. Their everybody's banker and come on, when have the Swiss actually fought in war. Never.

China would never nuke a nation it would plan to do business with in the future, Australia's not a realistic opponent to China or Russia anyways,

[New Decius]

No it isn't. Explain that rationale to Mr. Putin.

Don't tell me your one of those people that believe Vladimir's Hitler, do you?

You do realize that Hitler is a dictator which is off the charts and isn't comparable to any others. Also you dont have to be a dictator to have the guts to fire a nuke at a neutral. Seriously have you opened a history book. Neutral nations (Save Switzerland) get attacked all the time.

[Bering]

That doesn't mean they won't nuke you. Just because you are not at war with a country then it does not mean that the nukes are no longer pointed at you.
Whether or not you participate in a war against China and/or Russia is ultimately irrelevant to the question of whether or not either of them will end up nuking you when all the missiles start flying.

You're so wrong. Russia or China would have no reason to nuke a neutral nation. Whether you like it or not Russia and China aren't crazed dictatorships like the DPRK, they have sensible leaders who have emotions. So no, Australia wouldn't be nuked when the nukes start flying, same with most other neutral nations.

I never said the were crazed dictatorships,
You misunderstand something yourself. This is not about who is neutral NOW or about feelings. International Relations is all about cold hard calculation and survival. What you fail to understand is that just because they happen to be neutral to one another or even friendly at the moment does not bare any consequence to what they will do when "Shit hits the fan."
Launching nukes at neutral countries is not the act of a crazed dictator, but the act of a man who has just found out that his entire nation is about to be wiped off the face of the earth in a few moments. You think that the Chinese leaders will read off all the countries they won't nuked just because they happen to be okay with Australia?
Russia and China are currently friendlyish, but you can bet they have nukes pointed at one another. Russia and Israel have never fought a war, but because Israel is friendly with the US and Russia is friendly with some Arab countries that Israel is not, you can bet they have nukes pointed at one another. Ultimately you are under the illusion that things like friendliness matter, they don't, at the end of the day when no one will probably live to see the next day and thousands of nukes will be launched. Neither Russia or China will go and save "Lol, Australia's okay, they are neutral, Don't nuke them." I am sure America has nukes pointed at countries that we are neutralish with, but are a little too friendly with the Russians or Chinese.
What I am saying is that neutral or not, countries that will be nuked, will be nuked and the little fact that they do not happen to be at war with Russia or China at the moment (which you may argue is not a little fact, but in the grand scheme of MAD, it is) than neither of those countries will hesitate to make sure they are not about to nuke. The only way Australia can guarantee it will not be nuked by either Russia or China is to be allied with them, which will put you in the crosshairs of the US and friends. In situations like this, no one will walk away fresh and unscathed because they happen to be neutral at the moment. When the nukes fly all bets are off, end of story, no "but we are neutral!" matters at that point
And of course they might nuke potential rivals of the new world, just in case they somehow manage to survive the exchange. The game of nations has no place for morality, only survival.

[Bering]

I will give you a good reason China and Russia would nuke a neutral nation: To take out nations who could potentially become an opponent in the war.

The only neutral nation that would probably be spared the nukes realistically would probably be Switzerland. Their everybody's banker and come on, when have the Swiss actually fought in war. Never.

China would never nuke a nation it would plan to do business with in the future, Australia's not a realistic opponent to China or Russia anyways,

YES! Clearly, when Nukes are involved the first question on anyone's mind is "What about business?"

[Mesrane]

I will give you a good reason China and Russia would nuke a neutral nation: To take out nations who could potentially become an opponent in the war.

The only neutral nation that would probably be spared the nukes realistically would probably be Switzerland. Their everybody's banker and come on, when have the Swiss actually fought in war. Never.

But they have supplied troops to other nations. Such as the Swiss Guard.

Who protect . . . Vatican City.

No it isn't. Explain that rationale to Mr. Putin.

Don't tell me your one of those people that believe Vladimir's Hitler, do you?

No I don't. He doesn't have to be a Hitler to see Australia as a potential enemy-neutrality or no. All it takes is to feel remotely threatened by it's continued prosperity and growing eminence in the Pacific. And he would feel that.

[Icrum]

But they have supplied troops to other nations. Such as the Swiss Guard.

Who protect . . . Vatican City.

Don't tell me your one of those people that believe Vladimir's Hitler, do you?

No I don't. He doesn't have to be a Hitler to see Australia as a potential enemy-neutrality or no. All it takes is to feel remotely threatened by it's continued prosperity and growing eminence in the Pacific. And he would feel that.

They also have protected the monarchies of other nations in the past.

[Bering]

Don't tell me your one of those people that believe Vladimir's Hitler, do you?

You do realize that Hitler is a dictator which is off the charts and isn't comparable to any others. Also you dont have to be a dictator to have the guts to fire a nuke at a neutral. Seriously have you opened a history book. Neutral nations (Save Switzerland) get attacked all the time.

This is true, just ask Belgium whose only crime was being an easy way into France and that happened, 3, 4 times?

[Mesrane]

Who protect . . . Vatican City.



No I don't. He doesn't have to be a Hitler to see Australia as a potential enemy-neutrality or no. All it takes is to feel remotely threatened by it's continued prosperity and growing eminence in the Pacific. And he would feel that.

They also have protected the monarchies of other nations in the past.

Sooooooo? Switzerland bears little resemblance to Australia in the context of this argument.

[New Decius]

Who protect . . . Vatican City.



No I don't. He doesn't have to be a Hitler to see Australia as a potential enemy-neutrality or no. All it takes is to feel remotely threatened by it's continued prosperity and growing eminence in the Pacific. And he would feel that.

They also have protected the monarchies of other nations in the past.

Yes but as a nation Switzerland has not been in a war for three centuries I believe.

You do realize that Hitler is a dictator which is off the charts and isn't comparable to any others. Also you dont have to be a dictator to have the guts to fire a nuke at a neutral. Seriously have you opened a history book. Neutral nations (Save Switzerland) get attacked all the time.

This is true, just ask Belgium whose only crime was being an easy way into France and that happened, 3, 4 times?

Or Denmark, invaded to clear a path to Norway. The Netherlands for no reason at all.