Midnight in Moscow, Mk.II [Preliminary Banter]

[Epraria]

Can I ask how you made the swedes give up territory like Scania and Halland?

I had it that they were less Danish-then-Swedish, and rather regions that were bickered over for extensive periods of time. They last acquired them from Denmark at the end of the Napoleonic Wars, whereupon Norway and stuff were also acquired. However, policies of Swedification didn't even kick in then, and when the Schleswig Crisis ended with serious negotiations beginning to form a proper Scandinavia, one of the very first terms Denmark demanded was that within the confederation, they were Danish-ruled. Considering that the idea was that the confederation would be based on ethnic and linguistic borders, and considering that Sweden would dominate the union anyway, they consented. Sort of the same with Jamtland and Goteborg.

Eh no. Scalia was won in the 17th century and the last attempt by Denmark to retake it was in the great northern war which failed. Heck swedification policies where started as early as the 168's. However the idea that Sweden would give Göteborg to Norway is pushing it. It is not only the second largest city in Sweden and an important port but also Swedish by virtue of it being founded by Gustavus Adolphus himself and has been been Swedish throughout the history of the city. Denmark gaining Scania is understandable but Göteborg going to Norway less so.

[Alleniana]

pheh
Italy? Austria? Poland? Romania? Greece? Netherlands? Belgium? Chile? Estonia?

Issues:

Reds, Anschluss, Forced Anschluss, Russia, Turkey, Probably Anschluss, Schleffien, Pah! and then Eesti can into nordic so -shrug-

I'll think about it. If I can do a Monarchical USC, I will, but I think it's just a 'Murica wank which is boring to me.

Those aren't issues, those are bonuses.

pheh
Italy? Austria? Poland? Romania? Greece? Netherlands? Belgium? Chile? Estonia?

Imma return as Belgay and Luxembourg btw

I had it that they were less Danish-then-Swedish, and rather regions that were bickered over for extensive periods of time. They last acquired them from Denmark at the end of the Napoleonic Wars, whereupon Norway and stuff were also acquired. However, policies of Swedification didn't even kick in then, and when the Schleswig Crisis ended with serious negotiations beginning to form a proper Scandinavia, one of the very first terms Denmark demanded was that within the confederation, they were Danish-ruled. Considering that the idea was that the confederation would be based on ethnic and linguistic borders, and considering that Sweden would dominate the union anyway, they consented. Sort of the same with Jamtland and Goteborg.

Eh no. Scalia was won in the 17th century and the last attempt by Denmark to retake it was in the great northern war which failed. Heck swedification policies where started as early as the 168's. However the idea that Sweden would give Göteborg to Norway is pushing it. It is not only the second largest city in Sweden and an important port but also Swedish by virtue of it being founded by Gustavus Adolphus himself and has been been Swedish throughout the history of the city. Denmark gaining Scania is understandable but Göteborg going to Norway less so.

POD was 1444...
To be quite frank, Goteborg is largely Swedish because Vicky 2 provinces are annoying. If I could, I'd give the city and a little strip to Sweden, but I can't, and I'd rather not risk upsetting the population balancing.

[Epraria]

Issues:

Reds, Anschluss, Forced Anschluss, Russia, Turkey, Probably Anschluss, Schleffien, Pah! and then Eesti can into nordic so -shrug-

I'll think about it. If I can do a Monarchical USC, I will, but I think it's just a 'Murica wank which is boring to me.

Those aren't issues, those are bonuses.

Imma return as Belgay and Luxembourg btw

Eh no. Scalia was won in the 17th century and the last attempt by Denmark to retake it was in the great northern war which failed. Heck swedification policies where started as early as the 168's. However the idea that Sweden would give Göteborg to Norway is pushing it. It is not only the second largest city in Sweden and an important port but also Swedish by virtue of it being founded by Gustavus Adolphus himself and has been been Swedish throughout the history of the city. Denmark gaining Scania is understandable but Göteborg going to Norway less so.

POD was 1444...
To be quite frank, Goteborg is largely Swedish because Vicky 2 provinces are annoying. If I could, I'd give the city and a little strip to Sweden, but I can't, and I'd rather not risk upsetting the population balancing.

Norway and Denmark are both still smaller than Sweden who's only big city now is Stockholm while Norway now has Göteborg and Oslo while Denmark has København and Malmö. That takes away the second and third largest cities in Sweden. Though really Göteborg is also part of Västra Götaland so you could just say Göteborg is part of Sweden by virtue of Västra Götaland.

[Alleniana]

Those aren't issues, those are bonuses.



POD was 1444...
To be quite frank, Goteborg is largely Swedish because Vicky 2 provinces are annoying. If I could, I'd give the city and a little strip to Sweden, but I can't, and I'd rather not risk upsetting the population balancing.

Norway and Denmark are both still smaller than Sweden who's only big city now is Stockholm while Norway now has Göteborg and Oslo while Denmark has København and Malmö. That takes away the second and third largest cities in Sweden. Though really Göteborg is also part of Västra Götaland so you could just say Göteborg is part of Sweden by virtue of Västra Götaland.

See federal division information
Sweden is still by far the most populous realm, so I'm not worried.
If I could do so, though, without uglifying the map, I'd give Goteborg to Sweden. I agree with you there; partitioning Gotaland is not cool, but Vicky 2 makes it necessary.

Though, this makes me think; I could try a HoI map...

[Caltarania]

Hmm, I may do the Austrian Empire and try to reform it... or maybe go Switzerland and just bank everyone's shit.

[The New Lowlands]

Hmm, I may do the Austrian Empire and try to reform it... or maybe go Switzerland and just bank everyone's shit.

>implying austria won't fall apart to allow for anschluss

[Caltarania]

Hmm, I may do the Austrian Empire and try to reform it... or maybe go Switzerland and just bank everyone's shit.

>implying austria won't fall apart to allow for anschluss

Yeah that is the reason I don't really want to go Austria or Poland.

I think I'll go Switzerlake, and play the Game of Thrones intrigue between the Communists, Capitalists and basically everyone.

[Alleniana]

*steals Switzerland's role*

[The New Lowlands]

>implying austria won't fall apart to allow for anschluss

Yeah that is the reason I don't really want to go Austria or Poland.

I think I'll go Switzerlake, and play the Game of Thrones intrigue between the Communists, Capitalists and basically everyone.

I'mma leave poland alone tbh.

Schweiz Anschluss bby pls qq

[Alleniana]

germoney gib schlessy plox

[Caltarania]

*steals Switzerland's role*

nuhhh

Yeah that is the reason I don't really want to go Austria or Poland.

I think I'll go Switzerlake, and play the Game of Thrones intrigue between the Communists, Capitalists and basically everyone.

I'mma leave poland alone tbh.

Schweiz Anschluss bby pls qq

why does everyone hate muh

fine, just you try. mountains prevent blitzkrieg, bitch.

[Alleniana]

bork bork
Scandinavia is probably about to get involved in too much war in Russia to be a good currency reserve, so go ahead schwizzy.

[Caltarania]

bork bork
Scandinavia is probably about to get involved in too much war in Russia to be a good currency reserve, so go ahead schwizzy.

gut, you bitszchwarnzer

I'm gonna have Switzerreich give loans to both the Commie rebels and the Capitalist armies, just for funzies, and also to ensure that they leave us the fuck alone.

[Alleniana]

bork bork
Scandinavia is probably about to get involved in too much war in Russia to be a good currency reserve, so go ahead schwizzy.

gut, you bitszchwarnzer

I'm gonna have Switzerreich give loans to both the Commie rebels and the Capitalist armies, just for funzies, and also to ensure that they leave us the fuck alone.

honhonhonscandinavia is net creditor
Is Switzerland going full-neutrality?

[Caltarania]

gut, you bitszchwarnzer

I'm gonna have Switzerreich give loans to both the Commie rebels and the Capitalist armies, just for funzies, and also to ensure that they leave us the fuck alone.

honhonhonscandinavia is net creditor
Is Switzerland going full-neutrality?

Yes, but no.

We're going to exercise our international neutrality, though certain 'volunteers' will be 'aiding' other nations in exchange for a 'monetary benefit'. Basically, unofficial mercenaries. Also, we're gonna be giving people dem loans and probably negotiating with literally everyone to prevent an invasion. Though should someone invade, we will go full conscription on their asses, conscript our entire adult population and force the enemy to fight us at the most mountainous parts of the country.

[Alleniana]

honhonhonscandinavia is net creditor
Is Switzerland going full-neutrality?

Yes, but no.

We're going to exercise our international neutrality, though certain 'volunteers' will be 'aiding' other nations in exchange for a 'monetary benefit'. Basically, unofficial mercenaries. Also, we're gonna be giving people dem loans and probably negotiating with literally everyone to prevent an invasion. Though should someone invade, we will go full conscription on their asses, conscript our entire adult population and force the enemy to fight us at the most mountainous parts of the country.

Hmm, sounds about right. Scandinavia, at least, has not problems with it.