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by The New Lowlands » Sun Oct 26, 2014 10:08 am

by The Jonathanian States » Sun Oct 26, 2014 10:18 am
Auroya wrote:As the USGA I am going to be focusing quite a bit on technological development with Germany actually. I certainly do think we have the resources.
Bujahla wrote:Auroya wrote:
Okay, well, wow.
I'm now thinking how possible good relations with the USSA would actually be. I mean, we are pretty leftist, though we're constitutional monarchists too.
*suggestive shrug*
This is what I'm saying. And the USSA doesn't have this strong communist economic stance entirely either. We have a sort of "NEP" policy going with larger gov't control of industries.
Bujahla wrote:Segmentia wrote:
No, the empire is not. Besides, the USSA would have to build up their fleets considerably, just like in real life.
Yeah you really are. You lost WWI so you don't get that small stability boost that you recieved IRL. The USSA already outproduces you (so does the germans I'd assume). Your navy, while still large, will be able to be eclipsed in total war production. Your power is spread thin and the Germans and Americans are relatively stronger. The UK stopped becoming the world super power IRL at 1914, and they won the war. Here they should be even worse.
Rephesus wrote:Bujahla wrote:
Yeah you really are. You lost WWI so you don't get that small stability boost that you recieved IRL. The USSA already outproduces you (so does the germans I'd assume). Your navy, while still large, will be able to be eclipsed in total war production. Your power is spread thin and the Germans and Americans are relatively stronger. The UK stopped becoming the world super power IRL at 1914, and they won the war. Here they should be even worse.
There was no Great Depression, the colonies continued to contribute, and that also means those millions of Indians are usable. So the UK is still definitely a global power. Add Japan and you have a superbloc.
The New Lowlands wrote:The Industrial States of Columbia wrote:
ehhh, the Anglo-Japenese alliance prolly would go to war with both of our sides, so naval might is unquestionably theirs. Air power will go to the central powers, with land forces prolly going to the Comitern. So everyone is sadnessed
"naval might"
don't forget, the british empire is collapsing
Auroya wrote:This is precisely why I keep saying Mitteleuropa and the British-Japanese should ally.
Not for war, but, well, because I think we need to defend from the Comintern. And let's face it - we're actually pretty similar as far as ideologies and government goes.
The New Lowlands wrote:
I'm sure he was, but the USN could probably handle both.Auroya wrote:This is precisely why I keep saying Mitteleuropa and the British-Japanese should ally.
Not for war, but, well, because I think we need to defend from the Comintern. And let's face it - we're actually pretty similar as far as ideologies and government goes.
I imagine it's pretty inevitable that another war would be won by the Comintern, so it'd probably just be everyone else's best bet to consolidate their circles of power before another war begins.
The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:Auroya wrote:This is precisely why I keep saying Mitteleuropa and the British-Japanese should ally.
Not for war, but, well, because I think we need to defend from the Comintern. And let's face it - we're actually pretty similar as far as ideologies and government goes.
Assuming the so-called Comintern (which I suppose it is the communist alliance in place of the Warsaw Pact?) has any plans of attacking other nations.
Bujahla wrote:The Industrial States of Columbia wrote:
ehhh, the Anglo-Japenese alliance prolly would go to war with both of our sides, so naval might is unquestionably theirs. Air power will go to the central powers, with land forces prolly going to the Comitern. So everyone is sadnessed
I really need to ramp up my airforce since that's how the USA became the Hegemon it is.Auroya wrote:This is precisely why I keep saying Mitteleuropa and the British-Japanese should ally.
Not for war, but, well, because I think we need to defend from the Comintern. And let's face it - we're actually pretty similar as far as ideologies and government goes.
But if the world is still all realpolitik/weltpolitik Germany (at least, maybe Austria) would see any reason to fight against the Comminterm. So what if USSR is strong, you have a ton of buffer states in between it and are arguably much stronger than it. America isn't bothering Germany in the least bit (if anything there should be lots of backroom deals with regards to trade and stuff). The UK+Japs are a much bigger threat to them. It's not about ideology in this world, but practicality. The Communists aren't this strong and coherent alliance like the other nations due to lack of similar goals (except for making china communist). They aren't a threat to the middle germans, in all honesty. Russia may be, but the USSA isn't. The USSA has no problem with you guys except for, well, not being communist, but that's not all of a big deal since you are outside of the New World. An alliance with the Anglo+Japs against a minor alliance would really only help the British. They are the US's biggest rival. You'd be trying to eliminate a nation that, well, would only make your actual enemies (Brits) stronger as there isn't anything to gain from the USGA+Germans to attack the US.
The New Lowlands wrote:Bujahla wrote:
I really need to ramp up my everything since that's how the USA became the Hegemon it is.
ftfy
kebab can into receiving US lend-lease?The Industrial States of Columbia wrote:Depends, most of US naval power in the pacific was concentrated in Hawaii. So any sort of Pearl Harbor followed by military occupation...
remember how pearl harbour worked irl?
oh yeah
Auroya wrote:Bujahla wrote:But if the world is still all realpolitik/weltpolitik Germany (at least, maybe Austria) would see any reason to fight against the Comminterm. So what if USSR is strong, you have a ton of buffer states in between it and are arguably much stronger than it. America isn't bothering Germany in the least bit (if anything there should be lots of backroom deals with regards to trade and stuff). The UK+Japs are a much bigger threat to them. It's not about ideology in this world, but practicality. The Communists aren't this strong and coherent alliance like the other nations due to lack of similar goals (except for making china communist). They aren't a threat to the middle germans, in all honesty. Russia may be, but the USSA isn't. The USSA has no problem with you guys except for, well, not being communist, but that's not all of a big deal since you are outside of the New World. An alliance with the Anglo+Japs against a minor alliance would really only help the British. They are the US's biggest rival. You'd be trying to eliminate a nation that, well, would only make your actual enemies (Brits) stronger as there isn't anything to gain from the USGA+Germans to attack the US.
Okay, well, wow.
I'm now thinking how possible good relations with the USSA would actually be. I mean, we are pretty leftist, though we're constitutional monarchists too.
The New Lowlands wrote:guide to not losing until 1945
1) don't piss off america
2) don't invade russia
The Industrial States of Columbia wrote:The New Lowlands wrote:USSA has Russia to deploy from.
ehhh, the Anglo-Japenese alliance prolly would go to war with both of our sides, so naval might is unquestionably theirs. Air power will go to the central powers, with land forces prolly going to the Comitern. So everyone is sadnessed
Bujahla wrote:Mefpan wrote:Oh please, using modified Amerika-Bombers to drop paratroopers onto American soil to let our submersible troopships land under the eyes of the American navy where we then sink them in port will go swimmingly, especially when we do it in '44.
A quick strike then will ensure that America is too preoccupied with trying not to be anschlussed by the Reich to invest much into developing nooks.
Trust me, I've seen it work in vidya gems.
No but think of all the logistics involved with trying to invade America. Literally the only possible nation would be the UK through Canada, but even that'd be difficult. So what if you do a landing and take New York (which would be hard enough). Now you can't expand your borders as you don't have enough troops to supply your movement. Unless if you launched a huge ass army, which would probably get involved in a naval battle in the Atlantic. You land, capture a city, then get blockaded and seiged by the USSA forces before your reinforcements arrive only to be met with a mega-fucking war machine that has the world's highest industrial output.
Bujahla wrote:K so I'm just realizing what the title is.
Eagles - Germany+Austria (cause CoA)
Lions - UK+Japan (Cause UK symbol)
Bears - USSR+USSA (cause USSR, but I'm not really sure why since the USSA is much more powerful)
Which is still really hard and an absolute drain on the British. You'd have multiple points of crossing the St. Lawrence via Niagra or Detroit-Windsor, but those aren't great options. You could launch troops to Nova Scotia and push down, but that'd be very tireless and hard to do. It's not like Germany where you can just push and push and hope to capture it all and eliminate the government. Texas alone is like the size of Europe. America is fucking massive. You could take, at best, up to New York, and that's assuming you somehow can take Boston. You'd be pushed for luck to take much. Sure you can blockade the coasts, but good luck taking anything. Bomb Detroit? Might be the only move that'd be helpful to you, but I doubt the facilities to do so would be as close as the airbases in Michigan at this time to Windsor.
Auroya wrote:Bujahla wrote:To clarify, all the germans who came to the US were in Operation Paperclip. That was after the bomb you guys.
*not sorry about double post*
Yeah, but there were actually a fair few who fled in the early 30s because of the Nazis, as I understand it. Einstein was among them and he's the reason the atom bomb exists.
Mefpan wrote:Oh please, using modified Amerika-Bombers to drop paratroopers onto American soil to let our submersible troopships land under the eyes of the American navy where we then sink them in port will go swimmingly, especially when we do it in '44.
A quick strike then will ensure that America is too preoccupied with trying not to be anschlussed by the Reich to invest much into developing nooks.
Trust me, I've seen it work in vidya gems.
The New Lowlands wrote:Auroya wrote:
Russia purged its scientists in the 30s and the US relied quite a bit on German scientists that fled there.
Yes, and mitteleuropa doesn't have the spare industrial capacity to produce an extra 25% of the USA's total electrical power necessary to construct a single nuclear bomb.
Caltarania wrote:The New Lowlands wrote:gib back crimea
Glorious Leader will bring Glory toSoviet UnionRussian Federation!
The Industrial States of Columbia wrote:
Mhm....Romisch Palatine wrote:Scratch my reservation on Argentina.
Ok.Auroya wrote:And that will make Japan-Britain and Mitteleuropa very angry with you.
Maybe.Bujahla wrote:
Is this how violent the world is? That you can't respect another's sphere of influence and you are ready to go to world war over it?
Well whatever. I'll do it anyhow because lets be honest, none of you guys are gonna want to start a world war with me over installing a coup (that won't be directly tied to me) in a state that exists between two of my socialist buffer states. I'm actually glad he did this because now it makes for an easy socialist central america instead of having to do it to a ton of countries.
Good point.Caltarania wrote:
-quickly copy pasta it-
danke
Also, for open nations, there is an opening in Indochina for a Condominium of Japan and Siam. Basically a protectorate, like the UBD to Germany I think.
Right.Alleniana wrote:@Jon, indeed. I'm hoping to negotiate with Hannover (or whoever is doing the Russia-area nation) to get that one province in return for other stuff (non-meddling in instability, removal of minorities sorta stuff, etc.), and either invade or pressure the rest of the land; Crimea, Kuban in the Caucasus (from 2 nations) and a bit of Romania.
You really have to get a good history for that as Germany will be really pissed at an Ukraine doing stuff independently so close to them.
Also, Romania is definitely impossible. Germany owned the Oil wells there and any risk to them is high priority to be eliminated.Segmentia wrote:
And? I lost barely any territories, didn't have to undertake the cost of maintaining German colonies, and significant amounts of investments in the US were most likely withdrawn thanks to the the US betraying the Allies. If anything the German economy would be worse then mine because suddenly they have massive amounts of colonies to support and maintain.
As well as resources and markets to exploit and sell to.
Louisianan Confederation wrote:Actually scratch my Peru reservation.
Reserve me Argentina 112. This is one is definite
Auroya wrote:Obviously, this should be Mitteleuropa's flag.
...Dreams of a European Federation? Nah...
Bujahla wrote:WAIT A SECOND!
Is Spain communist or is Franco winning the civil war? Is there even a civil war (cause there should be)?
Aldelxane wrote:Auroya, would you be ok with me included a past deal between the USGA and Maghreb essentially trading Maghrebi oil for aid in building up the Maghrebi military, as well as humanitarian deals later on? (I'll talk to Jonathian about deals with the German Empire when he gets online, but since you are online I figured I'd ask you)
Auroya wrote:Aldelxane wrote:Auroya, would you be ok with me included a past deal between the USGA and Maghreb essentially trading Maghrebi oil for aid in building up the Maghrebi military, as well as humanitarian deals later on? (I'll talk to Jonathian about deals with the German Empire when he gets online, but since you are online I figured I'd ask you)
Sure.
Also!
My photo editing skills are not ftw
Caltarania wrote:Auroya wrote:Monroe Doctrine? Sorry, what?
I'm quite afraid Britain-Japan and Mitteleuropa didn't hear that.
Gah, stop referring to us as if we're on the same side for anything other than to crush the Commies.The New Lowlands wrote:inb4 manhattan project
inb4 Rising Sun ProjectThe New Lowlands wrote:russia + murrica = faster research than failnazis
Japan = laser weaponry
-fast nodding-
(seriously though laser weapons and mechs and shit would be like my wet dream for Japan but y'know fucking realism and shit)Mefpan wrote:Too bad all those Krauts that did wonders for it didn't run off to America this time around, eh?
And yurop has its own uranium, somewhere on the Silesian-Bohemian border, I believe.
Not to mention that the Manhattan project was a join project between the US, Canada, Britain and the other Allies. It'd be much limited with only one of those.Bujahla wrote:To clarify, all the germans who came to the US were in Operation Paperclip. That was after the bomb you guys.
*not sorry about double post*
Not all.
Einstein.The New Lowlands wrote:einstein's direct contribution to the actual bomb project consisted primarily of signing a letter to the President, sorry
I mean, that's still pretty important.Bujahla wrote:
No but think of all the logistics involved with trying to invade America. Literally the only possible nation would be the UK through Canada, but even that'd be difficult. So what if you do a landing and take New York (which would be hard enough). Now you can't expand your borders as you don't have enough troops to supply your movement. Unless if you launched a huge ass army, which would probably get involved in a naval battle in the Atlantic. You land, capture a city, then get blockaded and seiged by the USSA forces before your reinforcements arrive only to be met with a mega-fucking war machine that has the world's highest industrial output.
...Right.
-nabs Hawaii-
-totally doesn't invade the Galapagos-
-nabs Panama-
Except that this time, Japan generally does have naval might. The IJN is competing directly with the Royal Navy for dominance over the seas IIRC, in terms of size.The New Lowlands wrote:guide to not losing until 1945
1) don't piss off america
2) don't invade russia
I found a better guide.
1) Don't be fascist.The New Lowlands wrote:There was a Great Depression, how else do you think Murrica went Communist?
We already went over this. The GD affected America a hella lot more than Europe ITTL because the loans that the USA gave Britain never happened and ergo Europe was less reliant on the American economy as a whole.
Caltarania wrote:Bujahla wrote:
Lol what? The US was already communist by the time the GD would have happened. Communist countries are hardly affected by depressions (see Russia) due to command economies. I'm not exactly sure what you're saying.
I can't remember exactly what it was that we decided upon, but it was before you apped for the USSA so it could be redundant now -shrug-
Bujahla wrote:Segmentia wrote:
You're going to push us into Germany's corner if a war ever breaks out, damn your eyes!
Not really. USSA doesn't have a world revolutionary ideology, only wanting freedom within our hemisphere. We have good relations with the Germans. I doubt the Germans would go and just forget the past couple decades of Anglo-Germanic hostilities just to help you attack a friendly nation.
Bujahla wrote:Lol what happened to me signing off xD
Segmentia wrote:Bujahla wrote:
Not really. USSA doesn't have a world revolutionary ideology, only wanting freedom within our hemisphere. We have good relations with the Germans. I doubt the Germans would go and just forget the past couple decades of Anglo-Germanic hostilities just to help you attack a friendly nation.
Attacking the USSA really wouldn't be worth it. I'm sure a surprise attack on both coasts (Anglo-Japanese alliance) would meet with initial success, but it'd just turn into a drawn out struggle that would sap away at our strength.
The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:So.......What did I miss?
The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:After talking to one player, the USSR will undergo pretty interesting stuff. Mhmm, a new chapter is ahead.
Segmentia wrote:Britain should totally force a referendum in the state of Natal...
Auroya wrote:I'm making plans in my head as to how Danubia could turn communist and what would happen.
What is going on. Why am I doing this.

by The Grand Republic of Hannover » Sun Oct 26, 2014 10:21 am

by The Jonathanian States » Sun Oct 26, 2014 10:31 am

by Auroya » Sun Oct 26, 2014 10:32 am

by The Grand Republic of Hannover » Sun Oct 26, 2014 10:34 am
The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:Re-Posting my app as to state my interest for Russia (since it seems the OP said it was fine for me to apply). Reservation for Russia and all its belonging in the 1919 map
112State and Diplomacy
[Short] Name of State: Soviet Union
Native Name of State: Союз Советских Социалистических Республик (CCCP)
[Complete] Name of State: Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
Flag/Banner/Seal: Flag and Emblem
Head of State: General Secretary and Premier Joseph Stalin
Territory: http://i.imgur.com/d7hvimf.png - Russia in the map.
Claimed Territory: Current Russian territories plus those lost during the war.
Protectorates, Vassal States, etc: Kalmykia is a puppet
Alignment or Alliances: Comintern
Government
Type of Government Marxist–Leninist single-party state
Head of Government General Secretary and Premier Joseph Stalin
Ideologies: Stalinism, Collectivization, Totalitarianism, Nationalism.
Economy
Main Exports: Grain, Iron, Fuel, Steel, Firearms
Main Imports: Gold, Automobiles, Medicine
Other information: A planned economy with resource-rich land at it's disposal, but in much needed reform.
Population and people
Population: 142 Million
Main National Culture: Russian
Accepted Cultures: Kazah, assorted Central Asian cultures
Cultures:
Cultures scapegoated, or just asking to be scapegoated German, Ottoman, Austrian, Hungarian, Non-communists
National Language(s): Russian
Recognized Languages: Kazakh
Minority Languages: Ukrainian
Main religion(s): Eastern Orthodox, official religion is Atheism.
Minority Religions: Roman Catholic, Protestantism, Islam, Taoism
Military
Ground Forces:
Active: 250,000
Reserve: 750,000
AFVs: 4,000 (not just tanks. Includes any armored vehicle, such armored cars and armored trucks and halftracks)
Artillery Pieces: 2,500
Training Quality (1-10): 4 (below average)
Equipment Quality (1-10): 3 (poor)
Naval Forces:
2 Battleships
4 Cruisers
8 Frigates
35 Destroyers
Many patrol boats, support boats, and other small boats.
Training Quality (1-10): 5 (average)
Equipment Quality (1-10): 6 (average)
Air Forces:
250 I-15s
100 I-16s
75 DB-3s
50 ANT-40s
2 Pe-8s
Training Quality (1-10): 4 (below average)
Equipment Quality (1-10): 4 (below average)
Other
History: After the embarrassing defeat of the country in World War I, Russia experienced significant political reforms that dramatically changed the country, especially in the regions most affected by the war. Although the NEP was put in place, this one differed in a number of points. More economic freedoms were given at the local level and some room at the regional level.
Because of the defeat, the government created certain policies in order to keep its southern (Middle East) regions under Soviet control. The first move was to provide some room for regional autonomy in regards to social rules and labor laws. Also, propaganda campaigns were used in order to keep the people of those regions under Soviet influence. Since the war showed that the country suffered of infrastructure problems in those regions, the Soviet Union began to improve and expand its rail lines connecting those Middle Eastern regions to Moscow. What was most important is that the state began to invest more and more in the oil and gas infrastructure of those regions in order to reap the benefits of those commodities and improve the living standards of the people in those regions.
With the arrival of Joseph Stalin to power, the country began a new era of industrialization began which brought both, large amounts of development in the country as well as a large number of deaths because of the harsh policies of Stalin. The military began to improved and expanded at a rather large rate in order to defend the country from any possible attacks. With the arrival of Stalin to power also came a number of policies aiming at creating a totalitarian state. However, because of the failure in the war and the policies created as a result of it, Stalin's pursuit wasn't as successful (as in RL). Although the government has a large presence in society, it isn't as radical as in RL.
Although the Soviet Union has recovered from the war, there are still some sectors of the country that are in need of imminent reform and investment. Also, some of the infrastructure that wasn't improve in the post-war years is beginning to show the signs of time and aging which has made it evident that the country needs an urgent infrastructure reform.
After World War I, the revolutionary government stirred guerrillas and paramilitary groups in the territories lost that border the Caspian and Black Seas. The policy was kept under large secrecy by Stalin in order to avoid the protest from the opposition factions and spark a possible fall from power. Through years of intense fighting and weak social conflict, a part of the territories lost fell to quasi-Soviet governments that swore allegiance to the Soviet Union. These states soon rejoined the country thank to the influence of Stalin in their governments. However, anti-Soviet paramilitary groups have appeared in those territories hoping to push back Soviet influence.
The 17th Congress of the All-Union Communist Party has been postponed from 1934 to 1938 (OOC: This is going to play a big role) since Stalin saw that his power was under direct threat if the Congress took place in 1934. His hopes are to further consolidate his power before the 1938 date.
Any other things you might want to note:
RP Sample: viewtopic.php?p=20929844#p20929844
110 - 111 - Please don't remove
Part of my app was based on Fascist Republic Of Bermuda's app.
I think I finished my app

by The Grand Republic of Hannover » Sun Oct 26, 2014 10:40 am

by Bujahla » Sun Oct 26, 2014 10:51 am
Auroya wrote:Germany, you should totally go Communist too.
Then we can invade the USSR because they're not the type of Communist we like.
Damn Stalinists.
*Huzzah he lives!*
Nah, son. Britain was all like "yo, why my colonies be all uppity an' shit?!" And Lord Durham laid it straight: "they be wantin' legislation with representation, dawg."

by Auroya » Sun Oct 26, 2014 10:58 am
Bujahla wrote:Auroya wrote:Germany, you should totally go Communist too.
Then we can invade the USSR because they're not the type of Communist we like.
Damn Stalinists.
Lol. Not ironically the USSA doesn't agree with stalinism. Hence why Earl Browder will be my Roosevelt and people will be scared he is in power too long so they will put term limits on the politburo presidency after he dies in 1944.


by The Grand Republic of Hannover » Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:02 am

by Auroya » Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:02 am
The imperial canadian dutchy wrote:Germany halp Red menace at borders

by The Grand Republic of Hannover » Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:05 am


by Auroya » Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:07 am
The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:Auroya wrote:
Well, for now it's merely a thing that could happen.
We'd still likely stay on good terms with Germany if it did happen.
And the reformed USSR and USSA, too
^ I love how everyone assumes that the USSR will be this monster trying to get rid of everyone![]()
The surprise they will get

by Bujahla » Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:07 am
Auroya wrote:Bujahla wrote:
Lol. Not ironically the USSA doesn't agree with stalinism. Hence why Earl Browder will be my Roosevelt and people will be scared he is in power too long so they will put term limits on the politburo presidency after he dies in 1944.
If I do go communist, it will be the type that believes in liberty, representation, equality of opportunity, and so forth.
...Fourth International to spread Communist goodwill?
*Huzzah he lives!*
Nah, son. Britain was all like "yo, why my colonies be all uppity an' shit?!" And Lord Durham laid it straight: "they be wantin' legislation with representation, dawg."

by The imperial canadian dutchy » Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:09 am

by Segmentia » Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:09 am


by The Grand Republic of Hannover » Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:11 am
Auroya wrote:The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
^ I love how everyone assumes that the USSR will be this monster trying to get rid of everyone![]()
The surprise they will get
Well, I do remember you saying something about reforms.
The hope was that should this chain of events go down, we'd end up striking an alliance.


by Bujahla » Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:12 am
Segmentia wrote:I need to form a steel wall around the Home Islands to keep all this communism out. At least I have a head start with my fleet
*Huzzah he lives!*
Nah, son. Britain was all like "yo, why my colonies be all uppity an' shit?!" And Lord Durham laid it straight: "they be wantin' legislation with representation, dawg."

by Segmentia » Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:13 am

by Bujahla » Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:13 am
*Huzzah he lives!*
Nah, son. Britain was all like "yo, why my colonies be all uppity an' shit?!" And Lord Durham laid it straight: "they be wantin' legislation with representation, dawg."

by Auroya » Sun Oct 26, 2014 11:13 am
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