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Auroya
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Postby Auroya » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:35 pm

The Jonathanian States wrote:
Auroya wrote:To note, I would be fine with him being resident here.

You would be fine with the army, consisting of locals, loyal to a government accepting of those people, that claims the region those people inhabit and you own, staying in the area they claim? :eyebrow:
You know, their presence could raise awareness of a feeling of nationality greater than autonomy.


We're perfectly accepting of those people too.

Although you do have a point. It might be wise to negotiate something with Lunas.

Lunas, would you mind the men being stationed somewhere else in the country?
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Postby Lunas Legion » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:38 pm

The Jonathanian States wrote:
Epraria wrote:So is there a map to this?

There's the 1919. I have an not-uploaded draft for a 1938 map, including I think two apps, maybe three, from quite a while ago - which I'll hopefully update tomorrow.
Lunas Legion wrote:
State and Diplomacy
[Short] Name of State: RONA
Native Name of State: Russkaya Osvoboditelnaya Narodnaya Armiya
[Complete] Name of State: Russian Liberation People's Army
Flag/Banner/Seal: [spoiler=Flag(Image)/spoiler]
[spoiler=Seal(Image)spoiler]
Head of State: Tsar Cyril Vladimirovich
Territory: None.
Claimed Territory: All of the former Russian Empire + Czechoslovakia
Protectorates, Vassal States, etc: None.
Alignment or Alliances: None beyond anti-USSR
Other Foreign Affairs of Note: Forces are scattered across world.

Government
Type of Government Parlimentary Constutitional Monarchy
Head of Government Alexander Kolchak
Ideologies: Anti-Communism, Liberalism, Conservatism

Population and people
Population: 1,756,000 (Russian émigrés)
Main National Culture: Russian
Accepted Cultures: Czech, Slovakian, Serbian
Cultures: N/A
Cultures scapegoated, or just asking to be scapegoated N/A
National Language(s): Russian
Recognized Languages: N/A
Minority Languages: N/A
Main religion(s): Orthodox Christianity (Official)
Minority Religions: N/A

Military
Ground Forces:
Kolchak- Harbin, China
20,000 (Siberian White Army)
5/10 Training
5/10 Equipment

Gajda- Prague, USGA
31,000 (Czechoslovak Legion)
7/10 Training
5/10 Equipment

Wrangel- Naples, Italy
15,000 (Armed Forces of South Russia)
6/10 Training
5/10 Equipment

Denikin- Genoa, Italy
4,000 (Volunteer Army)
7/10 Training
5/10 Equipment

Pepelyayev- Bangkok, Siam
650 (Yakut White Army)
4/10 Training
4/10 Equipment

Rodzyanko- Dover, UK
7,000, 3 Tanks (Northwestern White Army)
6/10 Training
8/10 Equipment


Naval Forces:

Kedrov (Russian Squadron)- Genoa, Italy
2 Battleships
2 Crusiers
10 Destroyers
4 Submarines
5 Gunboats

Air Forces:
None.

Other
History:
3rd January, 1920-Yudenich's Northwestern Army breaks up into multiple groups moving into the United Baltic Duchy. Yudenich narrowly avoids arrest by the United Baltic Duchy's police whilst carrying the Northwestern Army's funds.
5th August 1920- Admiral Kolchak's Siberian White Army, after being beaten back across Siberia, retreats over the border into China.
7th August 1920- Czechoslovak Legion retreats from Vladivostok, surrendering the city.
14th November 1920- Wrangel and Denikin's forces (Armed Forces of Southern Russia/Volunteer Army) are forced across the border into the Ukraine, from where they are evacuated to Italy.
16th January 1921- Pepelyayev and the Yakut White Army, the last White Army forces in Russia, leave by ship.
30th January 1925- First RONA Conference is held in Cairo, Egypt. Yudenich is named as Marshal and head of the Fifth Duma whilst Cyril Vladimirovich is named Tsar.
19th July 1928- Second RONA Conference held. RONA Constutition is drafted.
5th October 1933- Yudenich dies. Kolchak is named Marshal and Head of the Sixth Duma at the Third RONA Conference.
27th December 1937- Tsar Cyril falls ill and recovers, but is left weak and is unlikely to live another year.


Any other things you might want to note:
RP Examples: See Ruthenia app.

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History:
3rd January, 1920 Depending on how it happened this may have resulted in the White Russian troops being stopped and arrested or at least disarmed. Or they may have been let through. So I'd appreciate a bit more info.
The should make sense. Also, you are aware of the fact that you can continue history up to December 1938, right? (It just seems interesting to have something last about a year from a year(slightly less) before things begin).
S&D:
Seems about right, though somewhat limiting the amount of friendlies.
Except for Czechoslovakia... that would imply the Legions had allegiance to the White Movement. Which OTL they didn't and you therefore should mention in the history.
Government: Sure
Pops and People:
Fine. For Slovaks and Czechs please refer to the above.
Military:
So the Czechoslovak Legion of a country claiming Czechoslovakia resides in the country currently owning Czechoslovakia? :eyebrow:
Also, again that thing with the Legion in general.
Otherwise seems fine.


I'll get on to editing it. I'm unsure of what should happen with the Czechoslovak Legion; historically it melted away after Czechoslovakia became independent, but whether it would do so if Czechslovakia gained autonomy is an entirely different matter. I'll leave what happened to the Legion up to you, although if it doesn't melt away I have a plausible reason why they remained with the Whites in that the White Movement provides extra manpower for liberating Czechoslovakia.

I don't see how RONA's politics are limiting in friendlies. It's adaptable to the point of being willing to ally with other communists to bring down the USSR, so perhaps I should've added in realpolitik in.

And the Legion in Czechoslovakia would be operating as a guerilla movement, if it hadn't melted away which I'll leave up to you.
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Epraria
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Postby Epraria » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:39 pm

The Jonathanian States wrote:
Epraria wrote:So is there a map to this?

There's the 1919. I have an not-uploaded draft for a 1938 map, including I think two apps, maybe three, from quite a while ago - which I'll hopefully update tomorrow.
Lunas Legion wrote:
State and Diplomacy
[Short] Name of State: RONA
Native Name of State: Russkaya Osvoboditelnaya Narodnaya Armiya
[Complete] Name of State: Russian Liberation People's Army
Flag/Banner/Seal: [spoiler=Flag(Image)/spoiler]
[spoiler=Seal(Image)spoiler]
Head of State: Tsar Cyril Vladimirovich
Territory: None.
Claimed Territory: All of the former Russian Empire + Czechoslovakia
Protectorates, Vassal States, etc: None.
Alignment or Alliances: None beyond anti-USSR
Other Foreign Affairs of Note: Forces are scattered across world.

Government
Type of Government Parlimentary Constutitional Monarchy
Head of Government Alexander Kolchak
Ideologies: Anti-Communism, Liberalism, Conservatism

Population and people
Population: 1,756,000 (Russian émigrés)
Main National Culture: Russian
Accepted Cultures: Czech, Slovakian, Serbian
Cultures: N/A
Cultures scapegoated, or just asking to be scapegoated N/A
National Language(s): Russian
Recognized Languages: N/A
Minority Languages: N/A
Main religion(s): Orthodox Christianity (Official)
Minority Religions: N/A

Military
Ground Forces:
Kolchak- Harbin, China
20,000 (Siberian White Army)
5/10 Training
5/10 Equipment

Gajda- Prague, USGA
31,000 (Czechoslovak Legion)
7/10 Training
5/10 Equipment

Wrangel- Naples, Italy
15,000 (Armed Forces of South Russia)
6/10 Training
5/10 Equipment

Denikin- Genoa, Italy
4,000 (Volunteer Army)
7/10 Training
5/10 Equipment

Pepelyayev- Bangkok, Siam
650 (Yakut White Army)
4/10 Training
4/10 Equipment

Rodzyanko- Dover, UK
7,000, 3 Tanks (Northwestern White Army)
6/10 Training
8/10 Equipment


Naval Forces:

Kedrov (Russian Squadron)- Genoa, Italy
2 Battleships
2 Crusiers
10 Destroyers
4 Submarines
5 Gunboats

Air Forces:
None.

Other
History:
3rd January, 1920-Yudenich's Northwestern Army breaks up into multiple groups moving into the United Baltic Duchy. Yudenich narrowly avoids arrest by the United Baltic Duchy's police whilst carrying the Northwestern Army's funds.
5th August 1920- Admiral Kolchak's Siberian White Army, after being beaten back across Siberia, retreats over the border into China.
7th August 1920- Czechoslovak Legion retreats from Vladivostok, surrendering the city.
14th November 1920- Wrangel and Denikin's forces (Armed Forces of Southern Russia/Volunteer Army) are forced across the border into the Ukraine, from where they are evacuated to Italy.
16th January 1921- Pepelyayev and the Yakut White Army, the last White Army forces in Russia, leave by ship.
30th January 1925- First RONA Conference is held in Cairo, Egypt. Yudenich is named as Marshal and head of the Fifth Duma whilst Cyril Vladimirovich is named Tsar.
19th July 1928- Second RONA Conference held. RONA Constutition is drafted.
5th October 1933- Yudenich dies. Kolchak is named Marshal and Head of the Sixth Duma at the Third RONA Conference.
27th December 1937- Tsar Cyril falls ill and recovers, but is left weak and is unlikely to live another year.


Any other things you might want to note:
RP Examples: See Ruthenia app.

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History:
3rd January, 1920 Depending on how it happened this may have resulted in the White Russian troops being stopped and arrested or at least disarmed. Or they may have been let through. So I'd appreciate a bit more info.
The should make sense. Also, you are aware of the fact that you can continue history up to December 1938, right? (It just seems interesting to have something last about a year from a year(slightly less) before things begin).
S&D:
Seems about right, though somewhat limiting the amount of friendlies.
Except for Czechoslovakia... that would imply the Legions had allegiance to the White Movement. Which OTL they didn't and you therefore should mention in the history.
Government: Sure
Pops and People:
Fine. For Slovaks and Czechs please refer to the above.
Military:
So the Czechoslovak Legion of a country claiming Czechoslovakia resides in the country currently owning Czechoslovakia? :eyebrow:
Also, again that thing with the Legion in general.
Otherwise seems fine.

Ok. I'll wait for the map before i reserve anything or make an app.
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Postby Bujahla » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:43 pm

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State and Diplomacy
[Short] Name of State: America
Native Name of State: United States of America | USA
[Complete] Name of State: United States of America | USA
Flag/Banner/Seal: Flags | [url=http://i.imgur.com/07UOV30.png[]Coat of Arms[/url]

Head of State: Franklin D. Roosevelt, President of the United States of America
Territory: Darkest Blue (continental) is US territory. 48 + Hawaii + Alaska + Philippines + Samoa + French New World
Claimed Territory: Has claims to all of New World as Sphere. *Personal note, I wanna claim Australia just cause I've always wanted to RP an american Australia*
Protectorates, Vassal States, etc: Members of the Washington Pact: United States of Mexico, Republic of Cuba, Republic of Panama, Republic of Peru, Republic of Ecuador, Dominican Republic (not on map) | Sphere of Influence: Liberia
Alignment or Alliances: Non-aligned | Allies with USCA (if they want) | Allies with Washington Pact Members *see history*

Government
Type of Government Federal Constitutional Presidential Republic
Head of Government Franklin D. Roosevelt, President of the United States of America
Ideologies: Democracy, Mixed-Market Capitalism, Liberalism, Republicanism, *Monroe Doctrine*

Economy
Main Exports: Manufactured goods
Main Imports: Some raw materials, limited luxury goods
Other information: The economy is much better than it was our world. The Great Depression did not take as large of a toll on the nation due to the ability for the Young Plan to work in France compared to the industrious Germany. Because of this, the US is on steadier ground. The 1937 recession never hit (due to a bigger budget and no cuts in '36) and the US looks like it will be coming out of the Great Depression soon as its unemployment is now only 9.5%.

Population and people
Population: 129,824,939 (Historical) + 15,984,200 (Philippines) + 300,000 (Carib territories)
Main National Culture: Anglo-Saxon
Accepted Cultures: Most European immigrants | French-American
Cultures: African-American| Native America| Caribbean| Pacific Islander | Asian-Americans
Cultures scapegoated, or just asking to be scapegoated None. Depends on the region, but no culture that's a scapegoat. Closest is the African-Americans in the south.
National Language(s): None. De facto English
Recognized Languages: English, French
Minority Languages: Native American languages, Spanish, Immigrant languages
Main religion(s): Protestantism(officially secular)
Minority Religions: Catholicism, Judaism, Islam (Philippines), Native Religions

Military
Ground Forces:
Actives: 261,000
Reserve: 40,000
Description: Higher than the IRL forces, the US Armed Forces is more equipped and prepared for war than it was in our world. Fearing war and having established hegemony in much of the Americas.
Naval Forces:
Active: 790
Use this at 1941 levels. Note, just because it's at this level, doesn't mean it's expanding like it was IRL.
Description: Higher in quality than IRL, they were expanded after seeing the growing navies of the Japanese and their ally, the UK, on both sides of the nation. Follows Mahan's theory.
Air Forces:
Personnel: 132,000
Heavy Bombers: 65
Light/Med Bombers: 200 (400 obsolete)
Modern Fighter: 300 (200 obsolete)
Description: Unlike IRL, it hasn't been neglected and is instrumental in helping the USA keep its members of the Washington Pact together. The USA has air bases in all washington member states.

Other
History:
1919 - Washington Agreement is made with Germany. French territories are purchased for reduction of German Debt. Without going to war, US military continues to slowly increase in size. Plans have been outlined to bring its size up regardless of the end of the Great War.
1920 - Young Plan is made with France. US starts to make the "cash-money" and begins the whole jazz age. Harding is elected president. USA enters trade agreements with a wide variety of states to expand markets. US supports Obregon in the Mexican Revolution. Through a tentative alliance, stability is brought to mexico with US occupation. Following governments are effectively tied to Washington. US forces try to get involved in the Russian Civil War but fail to install the Whites.
1921 - The United Fruit Company expands operations to a variety of countries including Mexico, Panama, Ecuador, and, in a first time, Liberia. All these nations see rapid growth but many questions regarding the ethics of the policies (and sometimes legality) of the UFCO in these nations arise.
1923 - Harding dies and Coolidge takes power like IRL. Embodies the spirit of the American middle class. Also seeks to expand US control of the New World. A plan is set forth for the Philippines to set them on an expedited path to statehood.
1924 - US troops leave the Dominican Republic having installed a government that is tied to Washington. The replacement is essentially a vassal state.
1925 - The UFCO gains lots of influence in the American gov't. (TBD on US troops in Nicaragua and Hondorus. Waiting on USCA's app.)
1926 - Pan-American Conference is held in Havana, Cuba. Coolidge attends the conferences and has a rather large say in events. The next PAC will be in Washington.
1928 - PAC meets in Washington D.C. There, multiple nations (Cuba, Mexico, Ecuador, Peru, Panama, Dominica) agree to the Washington Pact. This is an economic agreement to help keep Europe out of "exploiting" these nations. Focus is to provide the nations with a common system of cooperation and interlinking trade to each other. Effectively solidifies US control of these nations through which is has gained influence over the past century. Peru and Ecuador join out of fear of Venezuela and its growing socialism.
1929 - Bam! Wall Street Crash! The whole shabbam. Hits hard, though slightly better than IRL. Triggers the great depression. Nothing new here.
1932 - FDR in the White House. Brings about a similar New Deal and stuff. Nothing really different.
1936 - Congress doesn't cut the size of the programs from the Second New Deal. These include the PWA.
1937 - Economic growth continues as usual.
1938 - Preparations are made for the 10th anniversary of the Washington Pact. It'll be held in DC for the first time since it's inception. The annual meetings have rotated between countries .


Any other things you might want to note:
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Postby The New Lowlands » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:47 pm

State and Diplomacy
[Short] Name of State: America
Native Name of State: United States
[Complete] Name of State: United States of America
Flag/Banner/Seal: flag great seal anthem
Head of State: Huey "the Kingfish" Long
Territory: Covers the continental United States, Alaska, the various Pacific territories, and the Philippines, as well as the Panama Canal.
Claimed Territory: Columbia has no irredentist claims at this time.
Protectorates, Vassal States, etc: America is informally regarded as the protector of Liberia.
Alignment or Alliances: Huey Long's populism has driven America away from continental affairs. It is inclined to maintain positive relations with the British-Japanese bloc, but also sees benefits from tacitly assisting the Communists. Mitteleuropa is of little to no interest.
Other Foreign Affairs of Note:

Government
Type of Government Federal "Constitutional" Republic
Head of Government Huey "the Kingfish" Long
Ideologies: Populism, Economic Interventionism, Liberal Democracy Kingfish-ism

Economy
Main Exports: Capital Goods, Aluminium, Oil, Agricultural Products
Main Imports: Bauxite, Consumer Goods, Industrial Supplies
Other information: The US economy is undoubtedly the largest on Earth; it's vast production of consumer goods for domestic supply, as well as significant position as a creditor nation, lends it gargantuan industrial capacity bolstered by its large population and significant domestically-held resources. It is also (in this era) one of the world's largest suppliers of oil and consumers of bauxite.

Population and people
Population: 132,165,100
Main National Culture: Anglo-American
Accepted Cultures: Hyphen-American, Mexican
Cultures: basically everything
Cultures scapegoated, or just asking to be scapegoated: Remains to be seen...
National Language(s): English
Recognized Languages: N/A
Minority Languages: Spanish
Main religion(s): Secular state, predominately Protestant.
Minority Religions: Catholicism, Judaism

Military
Ground Forces:
The U.S. Army, after about two years of Huey Long's efforts, is a well-trained professional force of 225,000 men. More significance should perhaps be placed on the National Militia, a secondary force connected closely to Huey Long's own political machine, which although trained less effectively counts 150,000 members. The Army is divided into the following units;
Western Command
-tbd-
Eastern Command
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Naval Forces:
The US Navy is probably on the largest commands in the American military. In 1938, it operated 15 Battleships, 14 Fleet Carriers, 43 Cruisers, 72 AA Destroyers, 43 ASW Destroyers, 60 Submarines, 28 Mine trawlers, and 34 large patrol vessels. Notably, it has also significantly fortified positions and airbases in the Pacific in the absence of the Washington Naval Treaty. [?] They are stationed as such;
Pacific Theatre
-10 Battleships
-10 Fleet Carriers
-30 Cruisers
-50 AA Destroyers
-30 ASW Destroyers
-44 Submarines
-22 Mine trawlers
-28 Patrol Vessels
Atlantic Theatre
-5 Battleships
-4 Fleet Carriers
-13 Cruisers
-22 AA Destroyers
-13 ASW Destroyers
-16 Submarines
-6 Mine Trawlers
-6 Patrol Vessels

Air Forces:
The air forces of the United States are divided between the Army Air Force and the Navy Air Force, but in total the Air Corps is manned by approximately 80,000 men, and divided into 125 squadrons. These consist of;
-20 Fighter Squadrons
-42 Carrier-based Fighter Squadrons
-5 Reconnaissance Squadrons
-10 Close Air Support Squadrons
-20 Transport Squadrons
-14 Carrier Reconnaissance Squadrons
-14 Carrier Torpedo Bomber Squadrons

Other
History:
On February 19, 1924, Huey Long won the second 1924 Democratic Party primary for the state of Louisiana. He subsequently ran for the position of Governor of Louisiana, winning the election with 94.3% of the cast vote. This stunning, shock victory over the other two Democratic candidates changed everything.

Once in office as governor, Long went to work rapidly,consolidating his power by removing political enemies from positions of power ranging from heads of department to rank-and-file civil servants; state employees who depended on Long for their jobs were required to pay into his political war-chest. Long went to work improving the state's ailing literacy and road system; in 1925 he introduced a free textbook programme for schoolchildren, alongside night schools for adult literacy, as well as building and expand roads, bridges, hospitals, and schools across the state in one of the most interventionist governorships; his fulfilment of campaign promises allowed his own portrayal as a hero of the poor, and his effective use of media as well as ruthless undermining of political opponents' sources of funding. In 1928, with the Great Depression looming, Huey ran for the Senate, winning a seat; the stage allowed him to cement his image across the nation as a politician not afraid to denounce other Senators for the "money-grubbing fat cats" that they were.

In April 1929, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Governor of New York, was killed by a letter bomb. The people responsible never emerged.

Huey Long made headlines by gaining the Democratic Party nomination to the Presidency for the 1932 election. His "Every Man A King" wealth redistribution and progressive programmes encouraged in his home state of Louisiana had- besides giving him attention in national headlines, as Louisiana emerged from the Depression virtually unscathed- also forced his political rivals to recognise his efficacy as a governor. Long won the 1932 presidential election with 53.2% of the popular vote; his fierce isolationist rhetoric rang true among the common men of the era, although it did little to endear him to his fellow senators.

Once in office Long showed his true colours; he expanded the Share Our Wealth Society, a political organisation in favour of greater wealth distribution which in fact simply supported Long's policies across the nation, published his book Every Man A King, which glorified his "progressive" views, and attached the National Militia he had tacitly created and encouraged to grow as a nationalist, populist militant counterweight to the KKK in his own state to the Army as a national organisation. By 1933, they had 50,000 trained and armed members nationwide. Long worked against the ongoing Depression through massive investment in infrastructure and industry- one of these sectors being the arms industry necessary both to arm Long's internal Militia and the newly-expanded US armed forces. Brutal experience fighting Standard Oil and the KKK in Louisiana led him to use extralegal means to suppress his political opponents- everything from slander to physical intimidation. Long's active support of the repeal of Prohibition kept his popularity with the lower classes high.

But after his practically undisputed re-election in 1936 (his opponents being either dead, in hiding, or members of his own party) Long needed a new opponent; big business had been tied up in his national infrastructure programmes, and although the Depression hadn't exactly been beaten it had been pushed out of the collective consciousness sufficiently that it no longer served his political purposes. On the 17th of January, 1937, in conference with the Chiefs of Staff of the military he reviewed several of the plans of prior administrations, including the rainbow plans. It is a testament to his political capabilities that he managed to make an almost unnoticed U-turn on his formerly isolationist policies, beginning an almost silent national propaganda campaign in favour of having America look outward, towards its "Manifest Destiny."

America, it seemed, was coming to the world at large.

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Postby Delsola » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:51 pm

Cossacks are done. Page 93.

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Postby The Jonathanian States » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:54 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
The Jonathanian States wrote:There's the 1919. I have an not-uploaded draft for a 1938 map, including I think two apps, maybe three, from quite a while ago - which I'll hopefully update tomorrow.

History:
3rd January, 1920 Depending on how it happened this may have resulted in the White Russian troops being stopped and arrested or at least disarmed. Or they may have been let through. So I'd appreciate a bit more info.
The should make sense. Also, you are aware of the fact that you can continue history up to December 1938, right? (It just seems interesting to have something last about a year from a year(slightly less) before things begin).
S&D:
Seems about right, though somewhat limiting the amount of friendlies.
Except for Czechoslovakia... that would imply the Legions had allegiance to the White Movement. Which OTL they didn't and you therefore should mention in the history.
Government: Sure
Pops and People:
Fine. For Slovaks and Czechs please refer to the above.
Military:
So the Czechoslovak Legion of a country claiming Czechoslovakia resides in the country currently owning Czechoslovakia? :eyebrow:
Also, again that thing with the Legion in general.
Otherwise seems fine.


I'll get on to editing it. I'm unsure of what should happen with the Czechoslovak Legion; historically it melted away after Czechoslovakia became independent, but whether it would do so if Czechslovakia gained autonomy is an entirely different matter. I'll leave what happened to the Legion up to you, although if it doesn't melt away I have a plausible reason why they remained with the Whites in that the White Movement provides extra manpower for liberating Czechoslovakia.

I don't see how RONA's politics are limiting in friendlies. It's adaptable to the point of being willing to ally with other communists to bring down the USSR, so perhaps I should've added in realpolitik in.

And the Legion in Czechoslovakia would be operating as a guerilla movement, if it hadn't melted away which I'll leave up to you.

Yes, but it also IOTL handed Kolchak and a pack of Gold to a local leftist government in order to go home. Home not existing as such but being an autonomous region might change that, but it won't change the fact that they might have handed him over.

By claiming all of the Russian Empire you are pissing off Germany and its block. All of which would be interested in not having a stable Soviet Union by their border.

It could have survived, just that I assume by guerrilla movement you mean them operating against Austria?
Auroya wrote:
The Jonathanian States wrote:You would be fine with the army, consisting of locals, loyal to a government accepting of those people, that claims the region those people inhabit and you own, staying in the area they claim? :eyebrow:
You know, their presence could raise awareness of a feeling of nationality greater than autonomy.


We're perfectly accepting of those people too.

Although you do have a point. It might be wise to negotiate something with Lunas.

Lunas, would you mind the men being stationed somewhere else in the country?

Yes. But their goal is independence, kinda, I think.

Thank you, probably.
Epraria wrote:
The Jonathanian States wrote:There's the 1919. I have an not-uploaded draft for a 1938 map, including I think two apps, maybe three, from quite a while ago - which I'll hopefully update tomorrow.

History:
3rd January, 1920 Depending on how it happened this may have resulted in the White Russian troops being stopped and arrested or at least disarmed. Or they may have been let through. So I'd appreciate a bit more info.
The should make sense. Also, you are aware of the fact that you can continue history up to December 1938, right? (It just seems interesting to have something last about a year from a year(slightly less) before things begin).
S&D:
Seems about right, though somewhat limiting the amount of friendlies.
Except for Czechoslovakia... that would imply the Legions had allegiance to the White Movement. Which OTL they didn't and you therefore should mention in the history.
Government: Sure
Pops and People:
Fine. For Slovaks and Czechs please refer to the above.
Military:
So the Czechoslovak Legion of a country claiming Czechoslovakia resides in the country currently owning Czechoslovakia? :eyebrow:
Also, again that thing with the Legion in general.
Otherwise seems fine.

Ok. I'll wait for the map before i reserve anything or make an app.

The roster of In-Progress stuff is up now, and it'd probably be more useful considering the map will only include the things already accepted (which you have written there and can check yourself if it is borders for an area you need).

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Postby Epraria » Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:58 pm

Buj is Mexico practically a US puppet state?
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Postby Lunas Legion » Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:00 pm

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I'll get on to editing it. I'm unsure of what should happen with the Czechoslovak Legion; historically it melted away after Czechoslovakia became independent, but whether it would do so if Czechslovakia gained autonomy is an entirely different matter. I'll leave what happened to the Legion up to you, although if it doesn't melt away I have a plausible reason why they remained with the Whites in that the White Movement provides extra manpower for liberating Czechoslovakia.

I don't see how RONA's politics are limiting in friendlies. It's adaptable to the point of being willing to ally with other communists to bring down the USSR, so perhaps I should've added in realpolitik in.

And the Legion in Czechoslovakia would be operating as a guerilla movement, if it hadn't melted away which I'll leave up to you.

Yes, but it also IOTL handed Kolchak and a pack of Gold to a local leftist government in order to go home. Home not existing as such but being an autonomous region might change that, but it won't change the fact that they might have handed him over.

By claiming all of the Russian Empire you are pissing off Germany and its block. All of which would be interested in not having a stable Soviet Union by their border.

It could have survived, just that I assume by guerrilla movement you mean them operating against Austria?


They didn't hand Kolchak over as Kolchak had fled into Manchuko with the remains of his forces while the Legion retreated back towards Vladivostok. The entire situation with the Russian Civil War will be elaborated on more once I know whether the Legion is active, was destroyed in Russia or melted away.

RONA is claiming all of the Russian Empire primarily because it can. It's fully aware it won't be able to reclaim it all, but it claims it anyway and would be willing to drop claims in the history in exchange for supplies/weapons/aircraft/tanks from Germany.

Who else would they be operating against? Austria controls Czeckoslovakia, thus they'd be operating against them. Although whether the Legion is still active still needs to be decided, as they might be content with having an autonomous Czechoslovakia.
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Postby Bujahla » Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:01 pm

Epraria wrote:Buj is Mexico practically a US puppet state?


Practically. The US stabilized the revolution.
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Postby Epraria » Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:02 pm

Bujahla wrote:
Epraria wrote:Buj is Mexico practically a US puppet state?


Practically. The US stabilized the revolution.

I see. I might join as Mexico and if you get the US i wonder if we could make an arrangement similar to Liech and Calt's arrangement.
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Postby Delsola » Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:03 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
The Jonathanian States wrote:Yes, but it also IOTL handed Kolchak and a pack of Gold to a local leftist government in order to go home. Home not existing as such but being an autonomous region might change that, but it won't change the fact that they might have handed him over.

By claiming all of the Russian Empire you are pissing off Germany and its block. All of which would be interested in not having a stable Soviet Union by their border.

It could have survived, just that I assume by guerrilla movement you mean them operating against Austria?


They didn't hand Kolchak over as Kolchak had fled into Manchuko with the remains of his forces while the Legion retreated back towards Vladivostok. The entire situation with the Russian Civil War will be elaborated on more once I know whether the Legion is active, was destroyed in Russia or melted away.

RONA is claiming all of the Russian Empire primarily because it can. It's fully aware it won't be able to reclaim it all, but it claims it anyway and would be willing to drop claims in the history in exchange for supplies/weapons/aircraft/tanks from Germany.

Who else would they be operating against? Austria controls Czeckoslovakia, thus they'd be operating against them. Although whether the Legion is still active still needs to be decided, as they might be content with having an autonomous Czechoslovakia.


Kolchak should control Transamur...

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Postby The New Lowlands » Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:04 pm

Epraria wrote:
Bujahla wrote:
Practically. The US stabilized the revolution.

I see. I might join as Mexico and if you get the US i wonder if we could make an arrangement similar to Liech and Calt's arrangement.

alternative: praise huey long! :D

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The New Lowlands wrote:
Epraria wrote:I see. I might join as Mexico and if you get the US i wonder if we could make an arrangement similar to Liech and Calt's arrangement.

alternative: praise huey long! :D

Well really it's up to Jon and if Buj get's to be the one to get the US, Buj's choice so yeah.
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Postby Bujahla » Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:07 pm

Epraria wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:alternative: praise huey long! :D

Well really it's up to Jon and if Buj get's to be the one to get the US, Buj's choice so yeah.


I'll let you be them. That'd be fun.
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Postby The New Lowlands » Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:07 pm

Epraria wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:alternative: praise huey long! :D

Well really it's up to Jon and if Buj get's to be the one to get the US, Buj's choice so yeah.

Well, yeah, but I was just trying to say I'd be open to a similar arrangement, in case you want it.
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Epraria wrote:Well really it's up to Jon and if Buj get's to be the one to get the US, Buj's choice so yeah.


I'll let you be them. That'd be fun.

I'd rather let Jon decide. :p
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Bujahla wrote:
Epraria wrote:Well really it's up to Jon and if Buj get's to be the one to get the US, Buj's choice so yeah.


I'll let you be them. That'd be fun.

Yay. Now to find a Mexican leader who the US could set up as leader if you become the US.
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Postby Bujahla » Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:09 pm

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Epraria wrote:Well really it's up to Jon and if Buj get's to be the one to get the US, Buj's choice so yeah.

Well, yeah, but I was just trying to say I'd be open to a similar arrangement, in case you want it.
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I'll let you be them. That'd be fun.

I'd rather let Jon decide. :p


Lol I didn't even know that Lowlands wanted the US. I thought it was just Rnclave.
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Postby Bujahla » Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:10 pm

Epraria wrote:
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I'll let you be them. That'd be fun.

Yay. Now to find a Mexican leader who the US could set up as leader if you become the US.


Oredegon or whatever is still around. That's who the US is still supporting.
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Postby Epraria » Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:11 pm

The New Lowlands wrote:
Epraria wrote:Well really it's up to Jon and if Buj get's to be the one to get the US, Buj's choice so yeah.

Well, yeah, but I was just trying to say I'd be open to a similar arrangement, in case you want it.
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I'll let you be them. That'd be fun.

I'd rather let Jon decide. :p

You'r France right?
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Postby Segmentia » Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:11 pm

How would you justify claiming Australia, if you did?
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Postby The New Lowlands » Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:14 pm

Segmentia wrote:How would you justify claiming Australia, if you did?

hey, they speak english american

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Postby Liecthenbourg » Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:16 pm

The New Lowlands wrote:
Segmentia wrote:How would you justify claiming Australia, if you did?

hey, they speak english american

hrmm

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Postby The New Lowlands » Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:17 pm

Epraria wrote:
The New Lowlands wrote:Well, yeah, but I was just trying to say I'd be open to a similar arrangement, in case you want it.

I'd rather let Jon decide. :p

You'r France right?

I made an app for france, but cancelled it

and now I'm apping for Kingfish murrica

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Postby Epraria » Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:20 pm

The New Lowlands wrote:
Epraria wrote:You'r France right?

I made an app for france, but cancelled it

and now I'm apping for Kingfish murrica

Hmm. It seems like all the big guys want America. I guess i will just be the loyal Mexican ally/Puppet to whoever gets America.
Edit: By this point you can reserve Mexico for me.
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