Of Eagles,Lions and Bears [AH Interwar-Era] OOC -DEAD

[Tylos]

I could see myself siding with a fascist France against Germany. We might be hesitant, but then we'll remember that it's against Germany and be all 'Well, alright then, suppose we have to.'

Then what is your plan for actually winning against Germany this time around?

France cannot into good military doctrine.

France can into being invaded by Germany and Austria both of which use Blitzkrieg and annihilate French Air Force.

Yeppers.

Depressed France is Germanic France is Mitteleuropa!

[Auroya]

France cannot into good military doctrine.

France can into being invaded by Germany and Austria both of which use Blitzkrieg and annihilate French Air Force.

Yeppers.

Depressed France is Germanic France is Mitteleuropa!

*burns in-case invasion plans*

*La Marseillaise plays*

Welcome, freund!

[Liecthenbourg]

France cannot into good military doctrine.

France can into being invaded by Germany and Austria both of which use Blitzkrieg and anihilate French Air Force.

In truth, the French General Staff will notice that Trench Warfare didn't help them out.
He could have it that his Generals would follow De Gaulle's belief on the use of tanks, much like Blitzkrieg.

[The New Lowlands]

brb going to win the war by 1939

[Auroya]

France cannot into good military doctrine.

France can into being invaded by Germany and Austria both of which use Blitzkrieg and anihilate French Air Force.

In truth, the French General Staff will notice that Trench Warfare didn't help them out.
He could have it that his Generals would follow De Gaulle's belief on the use of tanks, much like Blitzkrieg.

True. I mean, I was just poking fun a little bit.

But realistically, in a conflict, mine and Germany's air forces would destroy the French air force very quickly, thus not allowing him to use CAS, a core element of Blitzkrieg, while ours could operate with impunity.

Not to mention our armies are larger too.

[Tylos]

France cannot into good military doctrine.

France can into being invaded by Germany and Austria both of which use Blitzkrieg and anihilate French Air Force.

In truth, the French General Staff will notice that Trench Warfare didn't help them out.
He could have it that his Generals would follow De Gaulle's belief on the use of tanks, much like Blitzkrieg.

De Gaulle would likely be tainted by association; his idol was Petain, one of the great French generals -- in this timeline, Petain is probably reviled and hated, De Gaulle along with him.

[The New Lowlands]

In truth, the French General Staff will notice that Trench Warfare didn't help them out.
He could have it that his Generals would follow De Gaulle's belief on the use of tanks, much like Blitzkrieg.

True. I mean, I was just poking fun a little bit.

But realistically, in a conflict, mine and Germany's air forces would destroy the French air force very quickly, thus not allowing him to use CAS, a core element of Blitzkrieg, while ours could operate with impunity.

Not to mention our armies are larger too.

lol have you never heard of soviet deep battle

artillery can provide the same benefits as CAS

[Auroya]

True. I mean, I was just poking fun a little bit.

But realistically, in a conflict, mine and Germany's air forces would destroy the French air force very quickly, thus not allowing him to use CAS, a core element of Blitzkrieg, while ours could operate with impunity.

Not to mention our armies are larger too.

lol have you never heard of soviet deep battle

artillery can provide the same benefits as CAS

Until CAS gets the artillery.

[Imperium Nova]

State and Diplomacy
[Short] Name of State: Sweden
Native Name of State: Konungariket Sverige
[Complete] Name of State: The Kingdom of Sweden
Flag/Banner/Seal: Flag/Seal
Head of State: King Gustaf V
Territory:(Preferably a link to a map) (Only territory the state controls and recognizably owns)
Claimed Territory: Åland
Protectorates, Vassal States, etc: (If you are a Dominion/Protectorate/Vassal State, please mention your protector)
Alignment or Alliances: Military unaligned and neutral, however is leaning strongly towards Germany.
Other Foreign Affairs of Note: Despite having disputed borders over the Åland question, Sweden has a strong relationship with its neighbour Finland, as well as the rest of the Nordic nations. Although relations with Norway are still a bit frosty after the 1905 Union Split.

Government
Type of Government Constitutional Monarchy
Head of Government Prime Minister Per Albin Hansson
Ideologies: Social Democracy, Conservatism, Christianity & Nationalism

Economy
Main Exports: Iron Ore & Steel, Lumber, Chemicals, Telephones, Automobiles, Machinery, Matches
Main Imports: Petroleum, Foodstuffs, Clothing, Machinery, Chemicals
Other information: The economy is regulated by the state, and treaties exist between the industry and labour unions to ensure prosperity and to avoid conflicts.

Population and people
Population: Roughly 6 million
Main National Culture: Swedish
Accepted Cultures: None
Cultures: Finns, Sami
Cultures scapegoated, or just asking to be scapegoated Jews, Gypsies
National Language(s): Swedish
Recognized Languages: None
Minority Languages: Finnish, Sami
Main religion(s): State Religion: Lutheran Protestantism
Minority Religions: Other Protestant, Catholicism, Judaism (Less than 1%)

Military
Ground Forces:
The Royal Swedish Army is a conscription army consisting of some 20 000 active and another 500 000 conscripted reserves. The conscripts each have 18 months of training at the age of 20 and then periodically have war games for one month every second year. The training is of medium-high quality whilst the equipment is of high quality and primarily domestic from Swedish Companies. However, the supplies and equipments to the Royal Swedish Army is sometimes lacking. Main focus of the army lies on the defense of the nation's borders and so offensive warfare is rarely trained and the army is poorly equipped for it. The army only has a few regiments of tanks, about as many cavalry regiments.
Naval Forces:
The Royal Swedish Navy is one of the larger navies operating inside the Baltic Sea, hopelessly dwarfed by its German counterpart however. The conscripts receive a longer training period, 24 months, and are better equipped and rarely lack supplies. In total the Royal Swedish Navy consists of 8 "Pansarskepp", 16 Destroyers, 24 submarines and a number of torpedo boats and smaller frigates and corvettes. The Royal Swedish Navy is well equipped to defend Swedish Territorial Waters, but is hopelessly outmatched on the High Seas.
Air Forces:
The Royal Swedish Air Force is the smallest branch of the military, but is starting to get more noticed by the High Command. Currently there are only a few flotillas placed around the realm, and the largest problem is a lack of pilots and educated troops to the air force. In total it does not consist of more than 150 aircrafts or such, most fighters but also some reconaissance.

Other
History:
1917: On the verge of a revolution due to trade embargoes from Britain and widespread hunger throught out the lands, the King reformed the government and appeased the people by allowing members of the social democrats into the government. This led to a more stable realm, despite a shaky conservative-social democratic government that could ride out until the end of the war. The King however managed to keep and even strengthen his power, as the social democrats could no longer act in oppositon against him.

1922: After some years in the same government and the war now seeming far away the lack of a unity government dissapitated, however the Social Democrats and the conservatives had grown fond of eachother and as such the Social Democrats accepted more social conservative politics into their ideology, and ousted the last communists from the party.

1928: The first election where women are allowed to vote, it becomes a great success for the Social Democrats who gain more than 40% of the votes and together with support from conservative parties form the new government, Per Albin Hansson becomes the first Social Democratic Prime Minister and initates the "Folkhemmet" project and a row of nationalisations of certain industries are made and the infected conflict between the industry and labour unions is solved via the state.

1936: The Social Democrats gets re-elected for a second time and also gains their own majority in both chambers of parliament and the "Folkhemmet" project continues, albeit with more conservative and christian influences.

Any other things you might want to note:
RP Examples: 2014 RP (Sweden) 2050 RP (Nordic)

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History:
No changes before 1919. (If you really need to have it before new year, the last 8 days of December 1918 can also change, though I doubt those would be significant).
That aside? Social Conservatism into the Social Democratic party I mean, I suppose I could see a party combining Economic Social Democracy and social conservatism happen, and then gathering up people from either as it grows, but I have my doubts at an actual Social Democratic party going socially conservative. Otherwise, looks mostly fine.
State and Diplomacy seems realistic.
As do Government (history aside, that is) and Economy. Population and people look proper.
Military:
Ground Forces seem fine.
What are "Pansarkepp"s?
Air force also looks about right.

The reason for the point of diversion being in 1917 is because there were revolution sentiments in Sweden then, and the current unpolitical/conservative government was forced to resign in favour of a liberal/social democratic government. It does not change anything except for the King remaining somewhat more power. Also, the Social Democrats in Sweden were rather social conservative, their main idea about the "Folkhemmet" was all in all a conservative idea about the nucleus family and conformity in the society, meddling by the King and more conservative elements however made it more conservative, keeping the more socialist economic policies however.

Also, Pansarskepp are basically coastal battleships but faster, more armoured and heavier armament. Pretty much just bigger and more expensive, and more fit for the Swedish Archipelago.

[The New Lowlands]

lol have you never heard of soviet deep battle

artillery can provide the same benefits as CAS

Until CAS gets the artillery.

gj getting your planes shot down by AAA while my s-35s blow up your airbases

[Liecthenbourg]

In truth, the French General Staff will notice that Trench Warfare didn't help them out.
He could have it that his Generals would follow De Gaulle's belief on the use of tanks, much like Blitzkrieg.

True. I mean, I was just poking fun a little bit.

But realistically, in a conflict, mine and Germany's air forces would destroy the French air force very quickly, thus not allowing him to use CAS, a core element of Blitzkrieg, while ours could operate with impunity.

Not to mention our armies are larger too.

I understand.

But hypothetically speaking, why would you and the Germans develop Blitzkrieg if Trench Warfare ended up working for you in the end? Perhaps you'd have some blitz-believing Generals, but some could still advocate that Trench Warfare worked once and will work again and thus are defensively minded.

But I don't know, I just think it's a bit odd you guys have blitzkrieg developed - considering you do.

In truth, the French General Staff will notice that Trench Warfare didn't help them out.
He could have it that his Generals would follow De Gaulle's belief on the use of tanks, much like Blitzkrieg.

De Gaulle would likely be tainted by association; his idol was Petain, one of the great French generals -- in this timeline, Petain is probably reviled and hated, De Gaulle along with him.

Why so? De Gaulle was in prison throughout most of the war and Petain still won at Verdun. They'd be considered war heroes most likely, much like Ludendorf and Hindenburg.

Politicians on the other hand... I can see many brick related injuries.

[Auroya]

True. I mean, I was just poking fun a little bit.

But realistically, in a conflict, mine and Germany's air forces would destroy the French air force very quickly, thus not allowing him to use CAS, a core element of Blitzkrieg, while ours could operate with impunity.

Not to mention our armies are larger too.

I understand.

But hypothetically speaking, why would you and the Germans develop Blitzkrieg if Trench Warfare ended up working for you in the end? Perhaps you'd have some blitz-believing Generals, but some could still advocate that Trench Warfare worked once and will work again and thus are defensively minded.

But I don't know, I just think it's a bit odd you guys have blitzkrieg developed - considering you do.

I think Austria, for one, would have suffered awful casaulties in trench warfare and when the time came to modernize the military, they may well have listened to the likes of Guderian.

[The New Lowlands]

I understand.

But hypothetically speaking, why would you and the Germans develop Blitzkrieg if Trench Warfare ended up working for you in the end? Perhaps you'd have some blitz-believing Generals, but some could still advocate that Trench Warfare worked once and will work again and thus are defensively minded.

But I don't know, I just think it's a bit odd you guys have blitzkrieg developed - considering you do.

I think Austria, for one, would have suffered awful casaulties in trench warfare and when the time came to modernize the military, they may well have listened to the likes of Guderian.

modernisation =/= giving up trench warfare, especially in the context of your mountainous terrain discouraging tank development

[Auroya]

I think Austria, for one, would have suffered awful casaulties in trench warfare and when the time came to modernize the military, they may well have listened to the likes of Guderian.

modernisation =/= giving up trench warfare, especially in the context of your mountainous terrain discouraging tank development

Mountainous terrain in Transylvania and North Austria, but we don't expect hostilities with Bulgaria or Germany.

[Tylos]

De Gaulle would likely be tainted by association; his idol was Petain, one of the great French generals -- in this timeline, Petain is probably reviled and hated, De Gaulle along with him.

Why so? De Gaulle was in prison throughout most of the war and Petain still won at Verdun. They'd be considered war heroes most likely, much like Ludendorf and Hindenburg.

Politicians on the other hand... I can see many brick related injuries.

I do not see any mention of the French winning at Verdun in the OP -- was that elaborated somewhere in the last 90 pages?

De Gaulle was Petain's protege and viewed the man as a hero. If Petain fails or is defeated in a battle, then De Gaulle would be tainted by the same brush of public opinion.

[The New Lowlands]

modernisation =/= giving up trench warfare, especially in the context of your mountainous terrain discouraging tank development

Mountainous terrain in Transylvania and North Austria, but we don't expect hostilities with Bulgaria or Germany.

literally all of your country is basically mountains or mountain valleys

[Liecthenbourg]

Why so? De Gaulle was in prison throughout most of the war and Petain still won at Verdun. They'd be considered war heroes most likely, much like Ludendorf and Hindenburg.

Politicians on the other hand... I can see many brick related injuries.

I do not see any mention of the French winning at Verdun in the OP -- was that elaborated somewhere in the last 90 pages?

De Gaulle was Petain's protege and viewed the man as a hero. If Petain fails or is defeated in a battle, then De Gaulle would be tainted by the same brush of public opinion.

I recall the OP stated that everything went the same till Spring 1918 or something similar. If that's the case, just follow on with the stab in the back theory the Germans did.

Direct public hate from the Generals to the politicians.

[Liecthenbourg]

I understand.

But hypothetically speaking, why would you and the Germans develop Blitzkrieg if Trench Warfare ended up working for you in the end? Perhaps you'd have some blitz-believing Generals, but some could still advocate that Trench Warfare worked once and will work again and thus are defensively minded.

But I don't know, I just think it's a bit odd you guys have blitzkrieg developed - considering you do.

I think Austria, for one, would have suffered awful casaulties in trench warfare and when the time came to modernize the military, they may well have listened to the likes of Guderian.

France lost 2%, IIRC, of it's population and stuck with defensively minded tactics.

[The Jonathanian States]

In truth, the French General Staff will notice that Trench Warfare didn't help them out.
He could have it that his Generals would follow De Gaulle's belief on the use of tanks, much like Blitzkrieg.

True. I mean, I was just poking fun a little bit.

But realistically, in a conflict, mine and Germany's air forces would destroy the French air force very quickly, thus not allowing him to use CAS, a core element of Blitzkrieg, while ours could operate with impunity.

Not to mention our armies are larger too.

This would be actually quite interesting. In addition to territorial, economic, and political changes there are changes in doctrine. Germany having won through Assault trooper breakthrough ensures breakthroughs rather than forts being a major CP doctrine. Though by being defeated by breakthrough France either adopts them as well, creating an era in which wars will return to their earlier states of movement, just cavalry replaced with tanks and infantry moderately mechanized, or attempts to create a sort of counter-strike doctrine....

Yeppers.

Depressed France is Germanic France is Mitteleuropa!

*burns in-case invasion plans*

*La Marseillaise plays*

Welcome, freund!

Exactly.
Bienvenue, mon Camarades. Willkommen, meine Kameraden! Bienvenuto, mi compagni! For a glorious Europa! *starts creating plans for a proto-EU in which the MerkelReich de-jure is in power*

Why so? De Gaulle was in prison throughout most of the war and Petain still won at Verdun. They'd be considered war heroes most likely, much like Ludendorf and Hindenburg.

Politicians on the other hand... I can see many brick related injuries.

I do not see any mention of the French winning at Verdun in the OP -- was that elaborated somewhere in the last 90 pages?

De Gaulle was Petain's protege and viewed the man as a hero. If Petain fails or is defeated in a battle, then De Gaulle would be tainted by the same brush of public opinion.

I only changed things after 1917. If they won there before that, they still did. If they won during certain parts of 1917 they still could have. I don't remember my history by heart, so possible also early 1918.

[Segmentia]

Well, guess I'll have absolutely nothing to do on the Continent. *Blockades everywhere!*

[The New Lowlands]

when german planning didn't revert to "bigger is better, let's build extremely unreliable and increasingly irrelevant super tanks" in ww2 then I might believe they would actually be creative in a post-ww1 scenario where they won

[Liecthenbourg]

True. I mean, I was just poking fun a little bit.

But realistically, in a conflict, mine and Germany's air forces would destroy the French air force very quickly, thus not allowing him to use CAS, a core element of Blitzkrieg, while ours could operate with impunity.

Not to mention our armies are larger too.

This would be actually quite interesting. In addition to territorial, economic, and political changes there are changes in doctrine. Germany having won through Assault trooper breakthrough ensures breakthroughs rather than forts being a major CP doctrine. Though by being defeated by breakthrough France either adopts them as well, creating an era in which wars will return to their earlier states of movement, just cavalry replaced with tanks and infantry moderately mechanized, or attempts to create a sort of counter-strike doctrine....

*burns in-case invasion plans*

*La Marseillaise plays*

Welcome, freund!

Exactly.
Bienvenue, mon Camarades. Willkommen, meine Kameraden! Bienvenuto, mi compagni! For a glorious Europa! *starts creating plans for a proto-EU in which the MerkelReich de-jure is in power*

I do not see any mention of the French winning at Verdun in the OP -- was that elaborated somewhere in the last 90 pages?

De Gaulle was Petain's protege and viewed the man as a hero. If Petain fails or is defeated in a battle, then De Gaulle would be tainted by the same brush of public opinion.

I only changed things after 1917. If they won there before that, they still did. If they won during certain parts of 1917 they still could have. I don't remember my history by heart, so possible also early 1918.

Then France wins Verdun, it lasted until Dec 1916.

[Auroya]

We totally should create a proto-EU, yes.

We should have a conference creating that somewhere early in the RP. It would be awesome.

and pave the way for federalization

[Bujahla]

We totally should create a proto-EU, yes.

We should have a conference creating that somewhere early in the RP. It would be awesome.

and pave the way for federalization

There should be a League of nations IMO.

[The Jonathanian States]

This would be actually quite interesting. In addition to territorial, economic, and political changes there are changes in doctrine. Germany having won through Assault trooper breakthrough ensures breakthroughs rather than forts being a major CP doctrine. Though by being defeated by breakthrough France either adopts them as well, creating an era in which wars will return to their earlier states of movement, just cavalry replaced with tanks and infantry moderately mechanized, or attempts to create a sort of counter-strike doctrine....

Exactly.
Bienvenue, mon Camarades. Willkommen, meine Kameraden! Bienvenuto, mi compagni! For a glorious Europa! *starts creating plans for a proto-EU in which the MerkelReich de-jure is in power*

I only changed things after 1917. If they won there before that, they still did. If they won during certain parts of 1917 they still could have. I don't remember my history by heart, so possible also early 1918.

Then France wins Verdun, it lasted until Dec 1916.

Aye, then Verdun is french. *raises glass* To Verdun, may its fields be bloodied by inter-European warfare no more.

Well, guess I'll have absolutely nothing to do on the Continent. *Blockades everywhere!*

I think Russia might like you. Sweden is kinda neutral, Norway probably is standing on stilts between Germany and Britain. Portugal also is your best buddy, most likely.

We totally should create a proto-EU, yes.

We should have a conference creating that somewhere early in the RP. It would be awesome.

and pave the way for federalization

It's a possibility.

We totally should create a proto-EU, yes.

We should have a conference creating that somewhere early in the RP. It would be awesome.

and pave the way for federalization

There should be a League of nations IMO.

Eh... that was more Wilson's project and he's out of the war now.