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[Alleniana]

40k'th post, yay

A mildly irrelevant question; what does my date of founding say to you all? For me, it displays 24th Dec, but it changed to 23rd Dec when I logged out. Does that happen for any of you, and is it by timezone?

*Makes a cake with 40k candles and burns down the thread* I think I dun broke it...

It says December 23rd for me. It's probably by timezone

40k candles? Does that mean everybody gets a candle for each post? That'd be quite a bother

Hmm, anyway, well that's one thing I learned about NS today.

MiM2.3; if no timeskip, would you join?

[The Jonathanian States]

IIRC its quite hard to get a German offensive to Paris after US entry, but I'm quite rusty as my in-depth research into such a PoD was almost a year ago. I guess once we'll approach the anniversary I'll try again.
But back to your scenario: I'd definitely be in. I like the general idea, though as said not sure how realistic the PoD is. Though the conclusions you give to that PoD do seem expected.
Though depending on when the rp itself starts, A-H may have already collapsed - something also quickened by US entry and Woodrow's public peace offer.
To shorten things up, I'd be glad to both be part of that rp and to help you organize/set it up, if you want.

Once again, not necessarily an RP

Fair enough.

It also bears a striking resemblance to MiM, which we've just had a vote about, indicating that pretty much nobody is interested in the current time period (1921, 2 years after the Great War ended with German victory).

"Victory"¹

Anyway, it wasn't a German offensive that threatened Paris so much as an offensive that looked like it threatened Paris, which triggered all the crazy doomsayers and panic.

Still hard to do, as IIRC Michael was actually aimed somewhere else. I recall that part of what I did was changing it to certain points of logistic importance, maybe that triggering panic among the conscripts could be used?

I was figuring it would have been a more successful Spring Offensive, with the frontline just close enough to Paris to see (and therefore, y'know, cause everyone to go apeshit).

Wasn't it quite close to Paris at the first Marne?
And well, I don't know, IIRC the government left Paris for some time, or at least considered doing so.

Apeshit Parisians demand peace, and then suddenly, the idea floods into every corner of Allied Europe and jumps the Atlantic, and before you know it, the Allies are suing for peace; sort of the way Woodrow's public peace offer did to Germany IRL.

But Woodrow's public offer was one that actually appealed to everybody^TM. A peace without winners or losers, a peace without cessions, based on the idea nations.
Unless the Germans make the same offer which, at this point and without a PoD that completely changes Germany, I consider absolutely ASB.

I was figuring that rather than A-H collapsing, it simply became more attached to Germany (though it would collapse eventually, no doubt).

Define attached. Also, I'd say that after the war there can be a short window of time in which it has the chance to attempt to reform in order to survive. But if it doesn't, it won't.

And then, in the rest of the world, I've ideas too (Federation of Central America, take number ... who knows how many? Australia-New Zealand-Antarctica union in light of scary Germans and weak Britain having much less influence?

Antarctica?

Non-collapsey Qing, due to the Germans being marginally nicer and giving them Guangdong back?

I assume you mean HK and possibly Macao?

Should you encounter the enemy, he will be defeated! No quarter will be given! Prisoners will not be taken! Whoever falls into your hands is forfeited. Just as a thousand years ago the Huns under their King Attila made a name for themselves, one that even today makes them seem mighty in history and legend, may the name German be affirmed by you in such a way in China that no Chinese will ever again dare to look cross-eyed at a German.

That's the current emperor just short of twenty-ish years ago. I somehow doubt he'd give them anything.

Post-war Soviet-Japanese spat?

Maybe.

Indian independence movement?

Possible, but I'm not sure if it already would have triggered.

Italy switching sides during the war to Central Powers, thus explaining why they won slightly better?)

Don't see that happening, honestly. Maybe a separate peace that isn't too harsh.

40k'th post, yay

A mildly irrelevant question; what does my date of founding say to you all? For me, it displays 24th Dec, but it changed to 23rd Dec when I logged out. Does that happen for any of you, and is it by timezone?

24th.

[Alleniana]

It also bears a striking resemblance to MiM, which we've just had a vote about, indicating that pretty much nobody is interested in the current time period (1921, 2 years after the Great War ended with German victory).

"Victory"¹

Definitely not loss.

Anyway, it wasn't a German offensive that threatened Paris so much as an offensive that looked like it threatened Paris, which triggered all the crazy doomsayers and panic.

Still hard to do, as IIRC Michael was actually aimed somewhere else. I recall that part of what I did was changing it to certain points of logistic importance, maybe that triggering panic among the conscripts could be used?

I was figuring it would have been a more successful Spring Offensive, with the frontline just close enough to Paris to see (and therefore, y'know, cause everyone to go apeshit).

Wasn't it quite close to Paris at the first Marne?
And well, I don't know, IIRC the government left Paris for some time, or at least considered doing so.

Something along the lines of "ermahgerd paris" and ensuing hysteria, anyway.

Apeshit Parisians demand peace, and then suddenly, the idea floods into every corner of Allied Europe and jumps the Atlantic, and before you know it, the Allies are suing for peace; sort of the way Woodrow's public peace offer did to Germany IRL.

But Woodrow's public offer was one that actually appealed to everybody^TM. A peace without winners or losers, a peace without cessions, based on the idea nations.
Unless the Germans make the same offer which, at this point and without a PoD that completely changes Germany, I consider absolutely ASB.

Mmm, not exactly Woodrow's peace, anyway, but similar. Definitely not Versailles-esque terms, anyway.

And then, in the rest of the world, I've ideas too (Federation of Central America, take number ... who knows how many? Australia-New Zealand-Antarctica union in light of scary Germans and weak Britain having much less influence?

Antarctica?

hehehehe

Non-collapsey Qing, due to the Germans being marginally nicer and giving them Guangdong back?

I assume you mean HK and possibly Macao?

Should you encounter the enemy, he will be defeated! No quarter will be given! Prisoners will not be taken! Whoever falls into your hands is forfeited. Just as a thousand years ago the Huns under their King Attila made a name for themselves, one that even today makes them seem mighty in history and legend, may the name German be affirmed by you in such a way in China that no Chinese will ever again dare to look cross-eyed at a German.

That's the current emperor just short of twenty-ish years ago. I somehow doubt he'd give them anything.

I meant French Zhangjiang. It's my mum's hometown, which is why I got confused; surely a town like that would never be that relevant? Apparently it was. Anyway, Germany seized all other ports sans Macau, and gave Zhangjiang back as a sort of "goodwill". Maybe.

Indian independence movement?

Possible, but I'm not sure if it already would have triggered.

Britain's empire is falling apart; the movement is definitely there, just to what extent is the question.

Italy switching sides during the war to Central Powers, thus explaining why they won slightly better?)

Don't see that happening, honestly. Maybe a separate peace that isn't too harsh.

I had an idea of A-H handing over South Tyrol, and Italy being granted Corsica, Malta, Savoy and some colonies (though it would lose Libya), in returned for switching sides, which seemed convenient enough to me, but I have to research it more.

[Neo-Assyrian Empire]

*Makes a cake with 40k candles and burns down the thread* I think I dun broke it...

It says December 23rd for me. It's probably by timezone

40k candles? Does that mean everybody gets a candle for each post? That'd be quite a bother

Hmm, anyway, well that's one thing I learned about NS today.

MiM2.3; if no timeskip, would you join?

Sure. It gives me a chance to finish the War of Lithuanian Enslavement Liberation and troll Germany a bit more.

[Finland SSR]

40k candles? Does that mean everybody gets a candle for each post? That'd be quite a bother

Hmm, anyway, well that's one thing I learned about NS today.

MiM2.3; if no timeskip, would you join?

Sure. It gives me a chance to finish the War of Lithuanian Enslavement Liberation and troll Germany a bit more.

NONONONONO
...please no...

[Neo-Assyrian Empire]

Sure. It gives me a chance to finish the War of Lithuanian Enslavement Liberation and troll Germany a bit more.

NONONONONO
...please no...

shh... all is the polska now *Takes Lithuanian sea clay*

[Alleniana]

You can invade Latvia too, just help against the commies, and don't touch Estonia. They're mine.

[Neo-Assyrian Empire]

You can invade Latvia too, just help against the commies, and don't touch Estonia. They're mine.

Sounds like a plan to me.

[Alleniana]

You can invade Latvia too, just help against the commies, and don't touch Estonia. They're mine.

Sounds like a plan to me.

only problem is teh germoney

goodnight

[Neo-Assyrian Empire]

Sounds like a plan to me.

only problem is teh germoney

goodnight

but skandy wouldn't let germoney make polska kill, tak? ...tak?

[The Jonathanian States]

"Victory"¹

Definitely not loss.

Last time I checked MiM Germany in 1920(?) had a net loss in non-colonial territory, including territory with a German majority.
I'd ask if that isn't a loss, what is, but WW2 and Versailles happened, so I know what is. But you get my point.

Still hard to do, as IIRC Michael was actually aimed somewhere else. I recall that part of what I did was changing it to certain points of logistic importance, maybe that triggering panic among the conscripts could be used?

Wasn't it quite close to Paris at the first Marne?
And well, I don't know, IIRC the government left Paris for some time, or at least considered doing so.

Something along the lines of "ermahgerd paris" and ensuing hysteria, anyway.

Mhm.

But Woodrow's public offer was one that actually appealed to everybody^TM. A peace without winners or losers, a peace without cessions, based on the idea nations.
Unless the Germans make the same offer which, at this point and without a PoD that completely changes Germany, I consider absolutely ASB.

Mmm, not exactly Woodrow's peace, anyway, but similar.

To be honest, I really really don't see that happen, not with the Military in de-facto control and Wilhelm II as Emperor. I really don't.

Definitely not Versailles-esque terms, anyway.

That, though, I do see as quite possible, but I'd say that its likeliness decreases proportionally to the increasing length of the war.

Antarctica?

hehehehe

I assume you mean HK and possibly Macao?

That's the current emperor just short of twenty-ish years ago. I somehow doubt he'd give them anything.

I meant French Zhangjiang. It's my mum's hometown, which is why I got confused; surely a town like that would never be that relevant? Apparently it was. Anyway, Germany seized all other ports sans Macau, and gave Zhangjiang back as a sort of "goodwill". Maybe.

I see. Why sans Macau? IIRC Portugal was at war as well, and if they managed to gain from the British there is no reason for them not to have done so from the Portuguese.
Which reminds me, Japan: I don't see Japan following and surrendering. Not in any scenario which neither is ASB nor has a PoD from before the war.
But I could see a small goodwill port being returned from those captured.

Possible, but I'm not sure if it already would have triggered.

Britain's empire is falling apart; the movement is definitely there, just to what extent is the question.

I agree, I guess.

Don't see that happening, honestly. Maybe a separate peace that isn't too harsh.

I had an idea of A-H handing over South Tyrol,

Part of Austria proper. Also, IIRC as a grand total more German than Italian, and the northern half definitely had a German majority.
I doubt that.

and Italy being granted Corsica, Malta, Savoy

That I guess is possible, at least as a promise.

and some colonies

Speaking of colonies.... Wouldn't the british keep hold of those? I evaded that by basically placing them close to bankruptcy miles into depth, but with US entry into the war I wouldn't consider that the way out.
So why doesn't the RN prevent the Centrals from having any colonies?

(though it would lose Libya),

To the Ottomans, I guess?

in returned for switching sides, which seemed convenient enough to me, but I have to research it more.

Eh....

[Auroya]

Damit, this compulsion to play as a USGA in something has come over me for the moment

Like in that RP TJS was planning. That was going to be good until it got 100 pages of OOC before the IC happened.

[Epraria]

(Image)

Important Links:Map

Year:1890
Genre:Alt-History
OP:Kisinger
Co-OPs:~none~
Target Audience:Alt-History Fans
Skill Level Required for Nations:
Great Powers:Proven Roleplayers who show themselves of great quality and or above the average roleplayer.
Secondary Powers:Your average roleplayer who has shown noteworthy skills in the past.
Minor Powers and below: None really, just is willing to roleplay or learning how to roleplay, proven to at least want to roleplay in a good manner.

1156~Occatinia Gains Independence from France
1456~Isabella I of Castile marries Alfonso V of Portugal, Uniting the two Realms
(Insert further detailed History)
1821~Napoleon is defeated at Sedan
1839~Belgium is restored to the Netherlands
1871~ The German Empire is formed.
1881~The Scramble for Africa Begins

I still have a lot of work to do but, I need your help to do it! Seeing as though RPs are one person's idea played by the greater rp Community why not make a roleplay with the Community's ideas(with guidance of said map)? So please do help!

Coming to you this Summerish with a vastly improved OP!

Oh and sorry Allen, I just put this here because my mind went blank, if you want me to take it down I will :3

I really love how if someone wants to make Iberia different they just put a Castilian-Portuguese union instead of a Castilian-Aragonese Union.

[Neo-Assyrian Empire]

(Image)

Important Links:Map

Year:1890
Genre:Alt-History
OP:Kisinger
Co-OPs:~none~
Target Audience:Alt-History Fans
Skill Level Required for Nations:
Great Powers:Proven Roleplayers who show themselves of great quality and or above the average roleplayer.
Secondary Powers:Your average roleplayer who has shown noteworthy skills in the past.
Minor Powers and below: None really, just is willing to roleplay or learning how to roleplay, proven to at least want to roleplay in a good manner.

1156~Occatinia Gains Independence from France
1456~Isabella I of Castile marries Alfonso V of Portugal, Uniting the two Realms
(Insert further detailed History)
1821~Napoleon is defeated at Sedan
1839~Belgium is restored to the Netherlands
1871~ The German Empire is formed.
1881~The Scramble for Africa Begins

I still have a lot of work to do but, I need your help to do it! Seeing as though RPs are one person's idea played by the greater rp Community why not make a roleplay with the Community's ideas(with guidance of said map)? So please do help!

Coming to you this Summerish with a vastly improved OP!

Oh and sorry Allen, I just put this here because my mind went blank, if you want me to take it down I will :3

I really love how if someone wants to make Iberia different they just put a Castilian-Portuguese union instead of a Castilian-Aragonese Union.

An RP with Basque-dominated Iberia would be cool, too. Unlikely, but cool

[Kisinger]

I really love how if someone wants to make Iberia different they just put a Castilian-Portuguese union instead of a Castilian-Aragonese Union.

An RP with Basque-dominated Iberia would be cool, too. Unlikely, but cool

We could edit the history but then we would have other unknown effects, anybody willing to contribute?

[The Jonathanian States]

Damit, this compulsion to play as a USGA in something has come over me for the moment

IIRC one of Vekta-Helghast's rp ideas has a state that could be the USGA (we referred to it as Danubia, but that's just the same thing under a different name).

Like in that RP TJS was planning. That was going to be good

Thank you.

until it got 100 pages of OOC before the IC happened.

I know, I know, bad timing on my part! Damnit, it's nearly a year past, I already paid for that mistake with the rp imploding and collapsing into itself.

I really love how if someone wants to make Iberia different they just put a Castilian-Portuguese union instead of a Castilian-Aragonese Union.

An RP with Basque-dominated Iberia would be cool, too. Unlikely, but cool

To my knowledge having it be Basque dominated is nearly ASB, if not even fully so.

[Neo-Assyrian Empire]

An RP with Basque-dominated Iberia would be cool, too. Unlikely, but cool

To my knowledge having it be Basque dominated is nearly ASB, if not even fully so.

ASB?

[The Jonathanian States]

To my knowledge having it be Basque dominated is nearly ASB, if not even fully so.

ASB?

Alien Space Bats

[Caltarania]

ASB?

Alien Space Bats

Ah, my favourite plot device!

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

Alien Space Bats

Ah, my favourite plot device!

Could do an emberverse rp, but countries are designed by us. But what would be the continent of choice?

[Caltarania]

Ah, my favourite plot device!

Could do an emberverse rp, but countries are designed by us. But what would be the continent of choice?

Like a post apocalyptic RP? Sorry, never read emberverse.

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

Could do an emberverse rp, but countries are designed by us. But what would be the continent of choice?

Like a post apocalyptic RP? Sorry, never read emberverse.

You said asb vast your favorite

Basically,

Some elder forces decide that we aren't ready to mess with time travel, as we were doing this o'er in nantucket, so

all electric equipment and explosive compression stops working (Basically any high tech that would result in guns or electric powered stuff).

This leaves much of society to rebuild based on what they wish it to be. Cannibalism is generally rampant, with those peoples being called eaters, and society becomes blurred between fictional cultures, real life religious movements, and historical anachronistic elements.

[Baja California y Sonora]

(Image)

Important Links:Map

Year:1890
Genre:Alt-History
OP:Kisinger
Co-OPs:~none~
Target Audience:Alt-History Fans
Skill Level Required for Nations:
Great Powers:Proven Roleplayers who show themselves of great quality and or above the average roleplayer.
Secondary Powers:Your average roleplayer who has shown noteworthy skills in the past.
Minor Powers and below: None really, just is willing to roleplay or learning how to roleplay, proven to at least want to roleplay in a good manner.

1156~Occatinia Gains Independence from France
1456~Isabella I of Castile marries Alfonso V of Portugal, Uniting the two Realms
(Insert further detailed History)
1821~Napoleon is defeated at Sedan
1839~Belgium is restored to the Netherlands
1871~ The German Empire is formed.
1881~The Scramble for Africa Begins

I still have a lot of work to do but, I need your help to do it! Seeing as though RPs are one person's idea played by the greater rp Community why not make a roleplay with the Community's ideas(with guidance of said map)? So please do help!

Coming to you this Summerish with a vastly improved OP!

Oh and sorry Allen, I just put this here because my mind went blank, if you want me to take it down I will :3

The Americas look kind of boring in my opinion. It looks good tho.

[Caltarania]

Like a post apocalyptic RP? Sorry, never read emberverse.

You said asb vast your favorite

Basically,

Some elder forces decide that we aren't ready to mess with time travel, as we were doing this o'er in nantucket, so

all electric equipment and explosive compression stops working (Basically any high tech that would result in guns or electric powered stuff).

This leaves much of society to rebuild based on what they wish it to be. Cannibalism is generally rampant, with those peoples being called eaters, and society becomes blurred between fictional cultures, real life religious movements, and historical anachronistic elements.

cool cool

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

You said asb vast your favorite

Basically,

Some elder forces decide that we aren't ready to mess with time travel, as we were doing this o'er in nantucket, so

all electric equipment and explosive compression stops working (Basically any high tech that would result in guns or electric powered stuff).

This leaves much of society to rebuild based on what they wish it to be. Cannibalism is generally rampant, with those peoples being called eaters, and society becomes blurred between fictional cultures, real life religious movements, and historical anachronistic elements.

cool cool

I can link a map from the actual series

It mostly takes place round the Willamette valley, but your British empire is ob wank as well XD

http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/attachment.php?attachmentid=240628&stc=1&d=1412633997

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