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[Kisinger]

May I ask why?

Because Ayutthaya is F for Fucked Failure.
We have lost 16,000 (and likely more) troops trying to beat Lan Na and make them our vassal. Everyone else is booming. European presence is just too big. And Ming/Qing is on the rooftop of Indochina.
I wanted to go for Qing, but I said to myself "why not get as far away as possible from that hellhole?"

Yeah... Lan Na too OP for Ayutthaya... But Persia is fun too :3

[Altito Asmoro]

Because Ayutthaya is F for Fucked Failure.
We have lost 16,000 (and likely more) troops trying to beat Lan Na and make them our vassal. Everyone else is booming. European presence is just too big. And Ming/Qing is on the rooftop of Indochina.
I wanted to go for Qing, but I said to myself "why not get as far away as possible from that hellhole?"

Yeah... Lan Na too OP for Ayutthaya... But Persia is fun too :3

Beware, though. Shiite nations are not common, even rare, in Middle East. So you won't have many friends based on religions. And will have many enemies based on religions.

[Finland SSR]

Because Ayutthaya is F for Fucked Failure.
We have lost 16,000 (and likely more) troops trying to beat Lan Na and make them our vassal. Everyone else is booming. European presence is just too big. And Ming/Qing is on the rooftop of Indochina.
I wanted to go for Qing, but I said to myself "why not get as far away as possible from that hellhole?"

Yeah... Lan Na too OP for Ayutthaya... But Persia is fun too :3

I would've started grinding until their manpower went down, but it just won't happen.
Dammit.

Persia is sandwitched between the Ottomans and the Mughals, but there's also room to expand. Hopefully with less corpse piles all over the damn country.

[Finland SSR]

Yeah... Lan Na too OP for Ayutthaya... But Persia is fun too :3

Beware, though. Shiite nations are not common, even rare, in Middle East. So you won't have many friends based on religions. And will have many enemies based on religions.

I can ally people because I'm Persia.

If Ayutthaya could ally with England and Ming could ally with Russia, then I can ally with some Sunni. Not that there's many of them who would be helpful.

[Altito Asmoro]

Yeah... Lan Na too OP for Ayutthaya... But Persia is fun too :3

I would've started grinding until their manpower went down, but it just won't happen.
Dammit.

Persia is sandwitched between the Ottomans and the Mughals, but there's also room to expand. Hopefully with less corpse piles all over the damn country.

Persia into India?

[Kisinger]

Yeah... Lan Na too OP for Ayutthaya... But Persia is fun too :3

I would've started grinding until their manpower went down, but it just won't happen.
Dammit.

Persia is sandwitched between the Ottomans and the Mughals, but there's also room to expand. Hopefully with less corpse piles all over the damn country.

Mind me asking which roleplay this is? Regardless, the Mughals might have problems with the Hindu populations, regardless it should be fun taking down, just wait for the English! Unless it's pre-1750s... then go North Young man

[Finland SSR]

I would've started grinding until their manpower went down, but it just won't happen.
Dammit.

Persia is sandwitched between the Ottomans and the Mughals, but there's also room to expand. Hopefully with less corpse piles all over the damn country.

Persia into India?

I wish.
If just the Mughals and the Ottomans were NPCs...

I would've started grinding until their manpower went down, but it just won't happen.
Dammit.

Persia is sandwitched between the Ottomans and the Mughals, but there's also room to expand. Hopefully with less corpse piles all over the damn country.

Mind me asking which roleplay this is? Regardless, the Mughals might have problems with the Hindu populations, regardless it should be fun taking down, just wait for the English! Unless it's pre-1750s... then go North Young man

Here.

It's 1650, so no help from the British.

[Finland SSR]

Guys, BIG problem.

As soon as I claim Persia, the Ottomans mobilize their troops and stand next to my border.

[Kisinger]

Guys, BIG problem.

As soon as I claim Persia, the Ottomans mobilize their troops and stand next to my border.

Not really, this leaves him for uber rape by Austria and if he tries to Campaign into Persia he must surely be mistaken... It's very unforgiving and mountainous... You could strangle his army by blocking off his supply routes and deliver the final blow at a mountain pass....

[Alleniana]

Guys, BIG problem.

As soon as I claim Persia, the Ottomans mobilize their troops and stand next to my border.

Not really, this leaves him for uber rape by Austria and if he tries to Campaign into Persia he must surely be mistaken... It's very unforgiving and mountainous... You could strangle his army by blocking off his supply routes and deliver the final blow at a mountain pass....

Yup. Get Austria or Russia, or both onside, and Ottomans = ded

[Finland SSR]

Not really, this leaves him for uber rape by Austria and if he tries to Campaign into Persia he must surely be mistaken... It's very unforgiving and mountainous... You could strangle his army by blocking off his supply routes and deliver the final blow at a mountain pass....

Yup. Get Austria or Russia, or both onside, and Ottomans = ded

Ottomans are allied to Russia (somehow), and Austria is currently hostile to Ottomans, but I fear they won't provide enough firepower to take down the kebab. They have been blobbing recently.

Anyway, good ideas. Perhaps scorched earth + Zagros Mountains would be enough to dwindle them long enough? I should try a coalition with Austria as well.

[Alleniana]

Yup. Get Austria or Russia, or both onside, and Ottomans = ded

Ottomans are allied to Russia (somehow), and Austria is currently hostile to Ottomans, but I fear they won't provide enough firepower to take down the kebab. They have been blobbing recently.

Anyway, good ideas. Perhaps scorched earth + Zagros Mountains would be enough to dwindle them long enough? I should try a coalition with Austria as well.

Russia + Ottomans is wurst herezy remove kebap remove wodka

In that case, do the same. Put your troops up on your borders and wait. The Ottomans can afford it much less than you; they've far more enemies.

[Finland SSR]

Ottomans are allied to Russia (somehow), and Austria is currently hostile to Ottomans, but I fear they won't provide enough firepower to take down the kebab. They have been blobbing recently.

Anyway, good ideas. Perhaps scorched earth + Zagros Mountains would be enough to dwindle them long enough? I should try a coalition with Austria as well.

Russia + Ottomans is wurst herezy remove kebap remove wodka

In that case, do the same. Put your troops up on your borders and wait. The Ottomans can afford it much less than you; they've far more enemies.

Right, Court Jester Allen-Khan!

You guys shall be my council. We shall win together.

[Senkaku]

i know I should work on my post for FOE2


But I think I left my motivation on the beach somewhere

[Alleniana]

i know I should work on my post for FOE2


But I think I left my motivation on the beach somewhere

Mine tends more to find NASA rockets and hug them on liftoff.

[The Jonathanian States]

Got that man, just that it is a really weird reference, as it seems to be tied to no era. (As otherwise, looking at the partitioned Silesia, you also should have partitioned Pomerania, for example).

I considered partitioning Pomerania into Swedish and not-Swedish (as in, the not-Swedish part at the time that it was Swedish ) but there weren't neat lines to do that. Basically, the map shows where all the neat lines you ought to follow are, and where all the lines that were arbitrarily drawn by some late mapmaker are, and thus you should avoid.
So what you are saying is that Either Germany or Poland should annex the rest of Pomerania?
Speaking of Pomerania, IIRC that western-most province of West Prussia actually was part of Pomerania. Rather than West Prussia, that is.

Also, why is (Congress) Poland a special large blob? I mean, it's not as if it never was partitioned.

Also, Y U NO BANAT? BANAT STRONK, remove nationalists, remove nationalists, multiculturalism best culturalism!

o.o
part of Montenegro seems to have become water
the Black Mountain is drowned

I don't see that, but what I do see is Kotor being Montenegrin instead of Danubian.

[Alleniana]

I considered partitioning Pomerania into Swedish and not-Swedish (as in, the not-Swedish part at the time that it was Swedish ) but there weren't neat lines to do that. Basically, the map shows where all the neat lines you ought to follow are, and where all the lines that were arbitrarily drawn by some late mapmaker are, and thus you should avoid.
So what you are saying is that Either Germany or Poland should annex the rest of Pomerania?
Speaking of Pomerania, IIRC that western-most province of West Prussia actually was part of Pomerania. Rather than West Prussia, that is.

Also, why is (Congress) Poland a special large blob? I mean, it's not as if it never was partitioned.

Also, Y U NO BANAT? BANAT STRONK, remove nationalists, remove nationalists, multiculturalism best culturalism!

I don't see that, but what I do see is Kotor being Montenegrin instead of Danubian.

Kotor only became Habsburg in 1797.

[The Jonathanian States]

I don't see that, but what I do see is Kotor being Montenegrin instead of Danubian.

Kotor only became Habsburg in 1797.

Which means that in the 1900s map it should still be Habsburgian.

Also, non-broken words from my previous post:

I considered partitioning Pomerania into Swedish and not-Swedish (as in, the not-Swedish part at the time that it was Swedish ) but there weren't neat lines to do that. Basically, the map shows where all the neat lines you ought to follow are, and where all the lines that were arbitrarily drawn by some late mapmaker are, and thus you should avoid.

So what you are saying is that Either Germany or Poland should annex the rest of Pomerania?
Speaking of Pomerania, IIRC that western-most province of West Prussia actually was part of Pomerania. Rather than West Prussia, that is.

Also, why is (Congress) Poland a special large blob? I mean, it's not as if it never was partitioned.

Also, Y U NO BANAT? BANAT STRONK, remove nationalists, remove nationalists, multiculturalism best culturalism!

[Alleniana]

Kotor only became Habsburg in 1797.

Which means that in the 1900s map it should still be Habsburgian.

Also, non-broken words from my previous post:

So what you are saying is that Either Germany or Poland should annex the rest of Pomerania?
Speaking of Pomerania, IIRC that western-most province of West Prussia actually was part of Pomerania. Rather than West Prussia, that is.

Also, why is (Congress) Poland a special large blob? I mean, it's not as if it never was partitioned.

Also, Y U NO BANAT? BANAT STRONK, remove nationalists, remove nationalists, multiculturalism best culturalism!

The map in my quote wasn't the 1900s map though

For Pomerania, no, I'm just saying that the borders on the map are probably the most accurate borders for Pomerania available on Vicky 2. And no, I'm quite sure; I imported some maps on transparency and superimposed them. Definitely part of West Prussia Province.

It is indeed a big blob, which is why I'm trying to do research on its other partitions, mainly the one that occurred in WW2 and the one that happened during Napoleon's lolromping. Those borders were much less used than the ones currently shown though. (at least in modern-ish history).

poo, map is not of done banat is come in due cours

[The Jonathanian States]

Which means that in the 1900s map it should still be Habsburgian.

Also, non-broken words from my previous post:

The map in my quote wasn't the 1900s map though

Fair enough.

For Pomerania, no, I'm just saying that the borders on the map are probably the most accurate borders for Pomerania available on Vicky 2.

Two Western provinces to Germany, the three eastern ones to Poland. Fits nearly perfectly.

And no, I'm quite sure; I imported some maps on transparency and superimposed them. Definitely part of West Prussia Province.

Seems that I indeed are wrong.

It is indeed a big blob, which is why I'm trying to do research on its other partitions, mainly the one that occurred in WW2 and the one that happened during Napoleon's lolromping. Those borders were much less used than the ones currently shown though. (at least in modern-ish history).

I'd propose using the '95 partition which roughly fits the provinces.
But I guess those work too.

poo, map is not of done banat is come in due cours

But you have all of the Romanian Banat in Transylvania....

[Alleniana]

For Pomerania, no, I'm just saying that the borders on the map are probably the most accurate borders for Pomerania available on Vicky 2.

Two Western provinces to Germany, the three eastern ones to Poland. Fits nearly perfectly.

I thought so as well, at first, but looking into it further, accuracy would have to split the middle province into northern and southern halves, so screw that.

poo, map is not of done banat is come in due cours

But you have all of the Romanian Banat in Transylvania....

I know, that's what I mean. The map isn't nearly done; just within the parts with work already begun, I have to remind myself to do Kalinigrad Oblast, partition Poland moar, look into Galicia a bit more, do Neumark, possibly do modern German vs Polish Pomerania (which would make Swedish vs non Swedish Pomerania irrelevant), possibly Styria or something, Banat as you said, maybe something in Finland, refine Karelia, Estonia-vs-Livonia-weirdblob, and split the Danish islands.

[The Jonathanian States]

Two Western provinces to Germany, the three eastern ones to Poland. Fits nearly perfectly.

I thought so as well, at first, but looking into it further, accuracy would have to split the middle province into northern and southern halves, so screw that.

I disagree staunchly.

But you have all of the Romanian Banat in Transylvania....

I know, that's what I mean. The map isn't nearly done; just within the parts with work already begun, I have to remind myself to do Kalinigrad Oblast, partition Poland moar, look into Galicia a bit more, do Neumark, possibly do modern German vs Polish Pomerania (which would make Swedish vs non Swedish Pomerania irrelevant), possibly Styria or something, Banat as you said, maybe something in Finland, refine Karelia, Estonia-vs-Livonia-weirdblob, and split the Danish islands.

I see. To be honest, the danish Islands I'd leave solid considering I don't recall them being split within the last ~1000 years.
Styria could be problematic with Slovenia due to massive overlap, but if you manage to do both, I'd be in favor.
Kaliningrad.... I guess.
I agree on Poland. On Galicia I'd maybe mark Krakow and/or Lvov, but anything more seems ridiculous.
Neumark.... eh, maybe. If you do it, then maybe call it Polish Brandenburg.
Karelia.... I don't see much to be done there.
Banat, of course.
You could add Napoleonic Swedish Pomerania, as it wouldn't conflict with the rest.
Estonia-Livonia.... Maybe. Though considering Livonia basically is Estonia+Latvia+Ösel+Riga it might just not be necessary.

[Alleniana]

I thought so as well, at first, but looking into it further, accuracy would have to split the middle province into northern and southern halves, so screw that.

I disagree staunchly.

Oh, I thought you meant Swedish vs non-Swedish. Yes, I plan to split Pomerania, but not through the Swedish thingy.

I know, that's what I mean. The map isn't nearly done; just within the parts with work already begun, I have to remind myself to do Kalinigrad Oblast, partition Poland moar, look into Galicia a bit more, do Neumark, possibly do modern German vs Polish Pomerania (which would make Swedish vs non Swedish Pomerania irrelevant), possibly Styria or something, Banat as you said, maybe something in Finland, refine Karelia, Estonia-vs-Livonia-weirdblob, and split the Danish islands.

I see. To be honest, the danish Islands I'd leave solid considering I don't recall them being split within the last ~1000 years.

True... I suppose they'll be on the backburner.

Styria could be problematic with Slovenia due to massive overlap, but if you manage to do both, I'd be in favor.

I'm anticipating trouble there, but hopefully it isn't too much trouble, I suppose.

I agree on Poland. On Galicia I'd maybe mark Krakow and/or Lvov, but anything more seems ridiculous.

I'd like to find something ethnic. One of the provinces in "Polish" Galicia is actually about half-half in ethnic terms, which is very annoying.

Karelia.... I don't see much to be done there.

General inaccuracy. I winged it, probably shouldn't have.

Estonia-Livonia.... Maybe. Though considering Livonia basically is Estonia+Latvia+Ösel+Riga it might just not be necessary.

Livonia has had a lot of borders; I'll see what I can do.

[Altito Asmoro]

i know I should work on my post for FOE2


But I think I left my motivation on the beach somewhere

Mine tends more to find NASA rockets and hug them on liftoff.

Australian has NASA.

Mind = Blown.

[Neo-Assyrian Empire]

Mine tends more to find NASA rockets and hug them on liftoff.

Australian has NASA.

Mind = Blown.

Australian Space Program: Hold on to a kangaroo and hope for the best

At least it's better than Poland's space program.