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[Caltarania]

@people trying to bring back the USSR after Gorby

This is the Cold War equivalent of making an AH where Worst Germany pulls off Operation Unmentionable Sea Mammal. >:u

Homosexuals weren't persecuted directly, but it's important to remember that homosexuals are also everyday citizens, and in general everyday citizens had a pretty bad time in the Soviet Union (Or, at least, a worse time than most citizens in the Western world).

Weren't homosexuals considered "unnatural/capitalist corruption" under the Soviets?

I don't think they were directly discriminated against in Soviet law, though, unlike that of many Western countries (ei; the UK had anti-gay laws until like 1960/70 IIRC).

There would have been anti-homosexual sentiment, but I don't think it was actively encouraged.

[Bujahla]

@people trying to bring back the USSR after Gorby

This is the Cold War equivalent of making an AH where Worst Germany pulls off Operation Unmentionable Sea Mammal. >:u


Weren't homosexuals considered "unnatural/capitalist corruption" under the Soviets?

I don't think they were directly discriminated against in Soviet law, though, unlike that of many Western countries (ei; the UK had anti-gay laws until like 1960/70 IIRC).

There would have been anti-homosexual sentiment, but I don't think it was actively encouraged.

None the less the people in Russia have a lot more freedom than they did under Pre-Gorby USSR, or even under him I suppose. Generally better life styles too.

[The Jonathanian States]

It is the call of the motherland, Tovarish!

Isn't it usually transliterated as tovarishch?

Never saw that transliteration.... to be fair, I'm not Russian so my contact with transliterations from Russian is relatively limited.

Isn't it usually transliterated as tovarishch?

Google seems to yield a wide variety of transcriptions, tovarishch, tovarish, tovarisch, tovarich, etc.

Mhm...

If I recall, the Molotov cocktail was named after a revolutionary leader who came up with, or at least introduced to mainstream usage, the idea of the weapon, which was then used because of the desperate situation they were in. Not sure if same leader.

Foreign Minister something Molotov, as in Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.

Well, I've been working on four different ideas - all of which are alt-history, but I'm not sure what one I want to roll with yet.

mhm.

1500/1600 late-colonialism RP - http://i.imgur.com/WZqsEAL.png

Basic story is that a large number of land wars kept European powers too poor and damaged to expand outwith the continent and more recently, Europe's seen a surge of nationalism making the traditional powers paranoid - A prime example of nationalism in action is the Formation of a German state and the destruction of England's hold on Wales & Ireland. This RP is actually a reboot of one I did a while ago and it wasn't as in-depth as I wanted it to be, so I sort of left it to die at the time. But I'm hoping to implement a number of mechanics for colonialism and politiking. If I recall, what happened last time was another huge land war, which prohibited colonialism for a number of the European powers, allowing for Sicily, Castile, Portugal and Scotland to become the colonial powers, which although interesting - resulted in a monopoly on the Americas. It also allowed for Scotland to diplomatically take control of the entire British isles..

Regarding that map, considering the date, is there a specific reason for Luxembourg being Dutch, for the Silesian border being as it is, for Denmark to retain Schleswig-Holstein fully, for Alsace-Lorraine being french?
I set Prussia aside as I am unsure how German it was at that time, so it staying polish mostly might make sense, though I'm not sure if then maybe Poznan and parts of West Prussia should stay outside too..... But yes, about that part too, is it by choice?

I'm not sure on Denmark holding parts of Sweden north-east of Skane proper....
Is that a Venice on the Adriatic sea? And if so, what is the state to its west?

I like that Magna Catalonia you have there. That state in the balkans is that a sort of Danubia(n Confederation)? Also, Spain can into France.
The Egyptian-Ottoman border is a bit weird....

Does Oman control Ethiopia or vice-versa?

1930s/1920s RP - http://i.imgur.com/AVJvPxF.png

Whites prevailed in Russia during the Revolution, but the nation still saw a number of its holdings break-away, though it maintained control of Mongolia and most of it's southern territories, it lost a majority of its western ones. That's the only real change there.

I don't see any increased breakaways in the west..... Also, I'm not sure of the German-Polish border in Poznan and Upper Silesia.

1900s -> RP - http://i.imgur.com/Hf4tGJz.png

Pretty accurate history, few minor changes - I'll leave some of the details up to the players, depending on what nation they choose. At the start, it'll mainly revolve around the paranoia surrounding the rapid rise of Germany and the Arms race between the different powers.

*Enlists for Kaiser and Reich*
Also, IIRC that western Montenegrin coastal province should be Austrian. Should Serbia

1400s RP - http://i.imgur.com/aW4xDs6.png (Map incomplete - as I've yet to think of how to lay out Asia/Africa/Americas).

This RP is a little more complicated than my other ones, as it'll have a few mechanics to it, for example - I'm working on something called coalitions, which are nations with either cultural or political similarities which have made an agreement, that if anyone outside of the coalition attacks them, all other members are obligated to defend that member state from foreign invasion. It's basically like a bunch of mini-Holy Roman Empires, only without an Emperor. (Map of starting Coalitions - http://i.imgur.com/1w5Bv7N.png) To make things even more interesting, if one coalition is attacked by the member of another - since the coalition members of the attacked state have to declare war on the attacker, the members of the attacking coalition are obligated to join the war - resulting in a coalition war. So both coalitions would end up at total war with one another. The main reasoning for this coalition system is to allow for smaller / weaker states to stand a chance and to prevent the usual suspects like England and Denmark from chomping up everyone in thirty seconds.

This RP will also provide a bigger challenge for nations looking to expand - as they'll face resistance movements, religious and cultural revolts, as well as administrative troubles as they try to impose their laws and regulations on the local populations (All the other ideas will be fleshed out, but this is the oldest of the ideas - so it's had the most work done to it thus far).

I'm not sure of that Prussia-Silesia there.... to the southwest of Denmark, is that Brunswick? Or Hannover? And whatever the case, why are Bremen, Hamburg, and Lübeck not independent?
Also, isn't Alsace-Lorraine as a single area a rather modern idea, rather than being two separate states of Alsace and of Lorraine?

EDIT:

So, any input or suggestions?

Done.
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[Alleniana]

I don't think they were directly discriminated against in Soviet law, though, unlike that of many Western countries (ei; the UK had anti-gay laws until like 1960/70 IIRC).

There would have been anti-homosexual sentiment, but I don't think it was actively encouraged.

None the less the people in Russia have a lot more freedom than they did under Pre-Gorby USSR, or even under him I suppose. Generally better life styles too.

Yeah. I mean, KGB, Holodomor, that sort of thing isn't quite so likely any more.

[Bujahla]

None the less the people in Russia have a lot more freedom than they did under Pre-Gorby USSR, or even under him I suppose. Generally better life styles too.

Yeah. I mean, KGB, Holodomor, that sort of thing isn't quite so likely any more.

Nah it's not and while I love my glorious russia more than the next guy (cause being russia), we should be aware of glorifying the USSR cause damn did it oppress the Russian people and cause a lot of shit in the world.

[Alleniana]

Yeah. I mean, KGB, Holodomor, that sort of thing isn't quite so likely any more.

Nah it's not and while I love my glorious russia more than the next guy (cause being russia), we should be aware of glorifying the USSR cause damn did it oppress the Russian people and cause a lot of shit in the world.

Yeah, definitely.

Anyway, MiM2.3; would people be interested more in the interwar period, WW2 or Cold War?

[Neo-Assyrian Empire]

Nah it's not and while I love my glorious russia more than the next guy (cause being russia), we should be aware of glorifying the USSR cause damn did it oppress the Russian people and cause a lot of shit in the world.

Yeah, definitely.

Anyway, MiM2.3; would people be interested more in the interwar period, WW2 or Cold War?

Either Interwar or Cold War. Starting around WW2 would be a bit generic.

[Alleniana]

Yeah, definitely.

Anyway, MiM2.3; would people be interested more in the interwar period, WW2 or Cold War?

Either Interwar or Cold War. Starting around WW2 would be a bit generic.

I'm in favour of interwar (i.e. no timeskip), but we've got people who want that, WW2 and Cold War, perhaps in roughly equal amounts.

[Altito Asmoro]

Either Interwar or Cold War. Starting around WW2 would be a bit generic.

I'm in favour of interwar (i.e. no timeskip), but we've got people who want that, WW2 and Cold War, perhaps in roughly equal amounts.

I want for the period between WW2 and Cold War, which was between 1946 until the start of Korean War as the start of the new MiM.

[Alleniana]

Poll for MiM2.3 http://strawpoll.me/4053707/

[Reatra]

It took several hours



but 888 CE AH map

Done

http://i.imgur.com/6hne0ui.png

[The Jonathanian States]

http://i.imgur.com/6hne0ui.png

What basemap is that, I don't recall having seen it before....
Also, Congrats, I guess.

[Auroya]

Dat basemap, I need it ;_;

[Reatra]

Here ya go

[Caltarania]

Here ya go

Is that the CKII map?

[Reatra]

Here ya go

Is that the CKII map?

No, just a map of Europe with crazily small provinces.

I think if you look hard enough they have the borders for modern Europe and 1066 Europe... Or I am going crazy.

[Kisinger]

Is that the CKII map?

No, just a map of Europe with crazily small provinces.

I think if you look hard enough they have the borders for modern Europe and 1066 Europe... Or I am going crazy.

I can sees them to so no you aren't, then again I might be sleep dprived....

[Reatra]

No, just a map of Europe with crazily small provinces.

I think if you look hard enough they have the borders for modern Europe and 1066 Europe... Or I am going crazy.

I can sees them to so no you aren't, then again I might be sleep dprived....

Good, I thought it was really convenient to have the curves in Anatolia be exactly where the Byzantines and Muslims were stuck for three hundred years, so cool.

[Reatra]

Also, here's a tiny informercial.

Are you tired of the straight lines in the normal Victoria II map? Do you want a realistic native american tribe's territory? Or maybe the Ottomans shouldn't own ALL of Iraq. Well, you're in luck! Here comes the new EDITED VICTORIA II MAP!!! Equipped with convenient regions to split the land, this map will allow you to build the empire of your dreams with only a few dozen bucket-fills!

Coming to an imgur near you!

[Kisinger]

Also, here's a tiny informercial.

Are you tired of the straight lines in the normal Victoria II map? Do you want a realistic native american tribe's territory? Or maybe the Ottomans shouldn't own ALL of Iraq. Well, you're in luck! Here comes the new EDITED VICTORIA II MAP!!! Equipped with convenient regions to split the land, this map will allow you to build the empire of your dreams with only a few dozen bucket-fills!

Coming to an imgur near you!

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[The Jonathanian States]

Also, here's a tiny informercial.

Are you tired of the straight lines in the normal Victoria II map? Do you want a realistic native american tribe's territory? Or maybe the Ottomans shouldn't own ALL of Iraq. Well, you're in luck! Here comes the new EDITED VICTORIA II MAP!!! Equipped with convenient regions to split the land, this map will allow you to build the empire of your dreams with only a few dozen bucket-fills!

Coming to an imgur near you!

May I ask on the point of the larger regions? They don't seem to conform too much to historical borders I recognize, so....
(Also, neither to modern [sub-]borders).

Though I do like some of your partitions to Vicky's map, which makes me somewhat sad about aforementioned regional borders.

Here ya go

Thanks.

Is that the CKII map?

No, just a map of Europe with crazily small provinces.

I think if you look hard enough they have the borders for modern Europe and 1066 Europe... Or I am going crazy.

I have some trouble finding the modern borders there, but that may just be me.

[The Vekta-Helghast Empire]

Regarding that map, considering the date, is there a specific reason for Luxembourg being Dutch, for the Silesian border being as it is, for Denmark to retain Schleswig-Holstein fully, for Alsace-Lorraine being french?
I set Prussia aside as I am unsure how German it was at that time, so it staying polish mostly might make sense, though I'm not sure if then maybe Poznan and parts of West Prussia should stay outside too..... But yes, about that part too, is it by choice?

I'm not sure on Denmark holding parts of Sweden north-east of Skane proper....
Is that a Venice on the Adriatic sea? And if so, what is the state to its west?

I like that Magna Catalonia you have there. That state in the balkans is that a sort of Danubia(n Confederation)? Also, Spain can into France.
The Egyptian-Ottoman border is a bit weird....

Does Oman control Ethiopia or vice-versa?

The Polish thing was mainly to encourage Prussian-Polish conflict, more than anything else - I don't want the powers getting too cozy, so I've made a number of issues across the map to encourage early diplomatic maneouvering/conflict, simply for the sake of creating unique and different scenarios.

The Denmark thing was a bit of a mistake, not going to lie..

That to the left of Venice is a Genoan-Papal state, not quite sure on which I'm going to have incorporated the other, but I'd assume it's some kind of Theocratic state with all the Genoan bureaucracy / diplomatic connections.

You're correct in assuming the Denubian Federation - It would've formed as a result of Ethnic conflict in the region under Austrian/Hungarian rule (whichever the player prefers, though who wouldn't want to be a Habsburg?) Spain was a mistake, though Catalunya / Aragon is supposed to control that area of France, again - to encourage early RP conflict/diplomacy.

Again, Egypt - Ottoman border is a bit of a mistake on my end, I was editing the old map - in which the Mamlukes/Egyptians annexed half of the Ottoman Empire with Persian and Arabian support.

It's an Ethiopian ruled Oman, so it's not the most stable of places.

Speaking of which - I remembered the original story - It was actually meant to be a late 1700s RP, so the conflicts were far more extreme and damaging with very few nations having the power to expand overseas. Hence the nationalism, extremely large states and the begin traces of the rush for Africa. I found the ol' thread from waaay back. Which made things very interesting with the Americas situation as Asian and European traders would frequently visit the region and we'd began to see slight modernization in Native society with some North American tribes adopting firearms for some of their units.

Updated map: http://i.imgur.com/lNlnqRP.png

I don't see any increased breakaways in the west..... Also, I'm not sure of the German-Polish border in Poznan and Upper Silesia.

Just noticed what you mean, the Polish corridor should be a tad thinner..

*Enlists for Kaiser and Reich*
Also, IIRC that western Montenegrin coastal province should be Austrian. Should Serbia

Muh bad.

I'm not sure of that Prussia-Silesia there.... to the southwest of Denmark, is that Brunswick? Or Hannover? And whatever the case, why are Bremen, Hamburg, and Lübeck not independent?
Also, isn't Alsace-Lorraine as a single area a rather modern idea, rather than being two separate states of Alsace and of Lorraine?

There probably should be a huge number of additional German states, but for the sake of not over-complicating the map in that area, I cut the states down to around 10-11 Duchies and yeah, it's Hannover and I for some reason, just can't get the area around Silesia right in any of my maps.. I always muck it up.

[The Jonathanian States]

The Polish thing was mainly to encourage Prussian-Polish conflict, more than anything else - I don't want the powers getting too cozy, so I've made a number of issues across the map to encourage early diplomatic maneouvering/conflict, simply for the sake of creating unique and different scenarios.

Well, that Germany is also kinda predetermined to be in conflict with Denmark, the Netherlands and France, and possibly even with Danubia, depending on the history behind that Silesian border.
So that's all neighbors except for Switzerland and possibly Danubia. Seems a bit.... much, I'd say.

The Denmark thing was a bit of a mistake, not going to lie..

Things happen.

That to the left of Venice is a Genoan-Papal state, not quite sure on which I'm going to have incorporated the other, but I'd assume it's some kind of Theocratic state with all the Genoan bureaucracy / diplomatic connections.

Mhm. Let it be Rome. In fact, the Patrimony of Rome. Or the Roman states. Or the Papal Principiality of Rome.
Or just whatever you consider right, I guess.

You're correct in assuming the Denubian Federation - It would've formed as a result of Ethnic conflict in the region under Austrian/Hungarian rule (whichever the player prefers, though who wouldn't want to be a Habsburg?) Spain was a mistake, though Catalunya / Aragon is supposed to control that area of France, again - to encourage early RP conflict/diplomacy.

Regarding spain: mhm.
Danubia: Sure.
Catalunya-Aragon: To be fair, IIRC the Catalans and Occitans are closer linguistically than to their respective great-powers to the west and north respectively, so I guess it can work.
Habsburg: Would one have the option to be someone else? *cough*Hohenzollernstronk*cough*

Again, Egypt - Ottoman border is a bit of a mistake on my end, I was editing the old map - in which the Mamlukes/Egyptians annexed half of the Ottoman Empire with Persian and Arabian support.

I see.

It's an Ethiopian ruled Oman, so it's not the most stable of places.

Actually, unless I am mistaken now I was wrong when I said that's Oman, it's Yemen. So Ethiopian-ruled Yemen.
But yes, I get your gist.

Speaking of which - I remembered the original story - It was actually meant to be a late 1700s RP, so the conflicts were far more extreme and damaging with very few nations having the power to expand overseas. Hence the nationalism, extremely large states and the begin traces of the rush for Africa. I found the ol' thread from waaay back. Which made things very interesting with the Americas situation as Asian and European traders would frequently visit the region and we'd began to see slight modernization in Native society with some North American tribes adopting firearms for some of their units.

So will it be that, or as you proposed it more recently?

Updated map: http://i.imgur.com/lNlnqRP.png

mhm.

Just noticed what you mean, the Polish corridor should be a tad thinner..

That too. Though what I was hinting at was a part of Poznan staying German, correctly, and the border in Silesia seeming weird, but looking at the map that was my mistake.

Muh bad.

Glad to help.

There probably should be a huge number of additional German states, but for the sake of not over-complicating the map in that area, I cut the states down to around 10-11 Duchies

I see....

yeah, it's Hannover

mhm....

I for some reason, just can't get the area around Silesia right in any of my maps.. I always muck it up.

In the first, third, and fourth, assuming you are aiming for historical accuracy, add the south-easternmost province of Silesia to the respective German/Prussian state.
(It is respectively held by Austria, Austria, and Poland).
In the 1900s map you would have to add the south-western province controlled by Germany to Austria. On that same map, Germany has a province of Belgium - just north of Luxembourg - and a province of the Netherlands, the next one north. (Though the latter was part of the German Confederation for a certain period so I guess it could be twisted into happening).
And did you purposefully move the German-Danish border south, while in the German-Russian border giving Germany an additional province to the east while losing one in the north?
Also, is Gabon supposed to be Portuguese rather than french?

[Reatra]

"Genovese-Papal State"

[Kisinger]

"Genovese-Papal State"



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France annex you!