The Historical RP Group HQ 2

[Caltarania]

http://chapelcomic.com/comic/11.png

heh

Work in progress map for an inter-war RP. Pls ask questions.

-Wtf happened to China?
-Wtf happened to Germany?
-Wtf happened to Russia?
-Resurgent Austria-Hungary?

(This is me btw)

[Elepis]

http://chapelcomic.com/comic/11.png

heh

Work in progress map for an inter-war RP. Pls ask questions.

-Wtf happened to China?
-Wtf happened to Germany?
-Wtf happened to Russia?
-Resurgent Austria-Hungary?

where are the Black (anarchist) and Green (IDK) faction in Russia?

Looks fun though

PS: I think the Red part of Germany is this;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_Council_Republic

[Caltarania]

http://chapelcomic.com/comic/11.png

heh



-Wtf happened to China?
-Wtf happened to Germany?
-Wtf happened to Russia?
-Resurgent Austria-Hungary?

where are the Black (anarchist) and Green (IDK) faction in Russia?

Looks fun though

PS: I think the Red part of Germany is this;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_Council_Republic

GODDAMN IT.

ALL I WANT. IS TO RP. A GODDAMN UNCHANGED. WEIMAR REPUBLIC. IN AN INTERWAR RP.

;-;

[Finland SSR]

where are the Black (anarchist) and Green (IDK) faction in Russia?

Batka's army was doomed anyway and the Greens are everywhere, but irrelevant because they are basically just armed peasant revolts.

[Liecthenbourg]

where are the Black (anarchist) and Green (IDK) faction in Russia?

Looks fun though

PS: I think the Red part of Germany is this;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_Council_Republic

GODDAMN IT.

ALL I WANT. IS TO RP. A GODDAMN UNCHANGED. WEIMAR REPUBLIC. IN AN INTERWAR RP.

;-;

You'll keep it alive with some abhorrent Socialist Ideas. ;-;

DEATH TO WEIMAR.

[Elepis]

where are the Black (anarchist) and Green (IDK) faction in Russia?

Looks fun though

PS: I think the Red part of Germany is this;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_Council_Republic

GODDAMN IT.

ALL I WANT. IS TO RP. A GODDAMN UNCHANGED. WEIMAR REPUBLIC. IN AN INTERWAR RP.

;-;

Now, all I would quite like to do the Bavarian's (or the USSR/Russian Anarchists/Socialist Hungary, any far-left state really)

also, I think the China stuff are warlords

[Elepis]

where are the Black (anarchist) and Green (IDK) faction in Russia?

Batka's army was doomed anyway and the Greens are everywhere, but irrelevant because they are basically just armed peasant revolts.

Well, they lasted just as long (approx) as the Whites and were a lot more interesting.

I would like to play them.

I agree about the Greens though

One could argue the White's were doomed

[Caltarania]

Batka's army was doomed anyway and the Greens are everywhere, but irrelevant because they are basically just armed peasant revolts.

Well, they lasted just as long (approx) as the Whites and were a lot more interesting.

I would like to play them.

I agree about the Greens though

One could argue the White's were doomed

The Whites are deded.

[Liecthenbourg]

Work in progress map for an inter-war RP. Pls ask questions.

Why is Gibraltar Spanish?

I am merely curious.

*sharpens knife*

[Caltarania]

Work in progress map for an inter-war RP. Pls ask questions.

Why is Gibraltar Spanish?

I am merely curious.

*sharpens knife*

Liect, you're supposed to ask him about things which are different from real life.

Jeez...

[Elepis]

Work in progress map for an inter-war RP. Pls ask questions.

Blacks needed in Ukraine (unless that lime green is them)/ White's own too much. The map makes it looked like they controlled all Siberia which they did not, they only controlled (loosely) the large towns and cities so I would cut their land in the uninhabited north. Depending on how much detail you want, you could do one or two provinces as Green's as well.

I would also recommend breaking up the White's in to different factions as they were never united eg Yudenich in the NW, Kolchak in central Siberia, Denikin/ Wrangel int he south

[Finland SSR]

Batka's army was doomed anyway and the Greens are everywhere, but irrelevant because they are basically just armed peasant revolts.

Well, they lasted just as long (approx) as the Whites and were a lot more interesting.

I would like to play them.

I agree about the Greens though

One could argue the White's were doomed

Nay. The Whites could win. Denikin wins Battle of Orel at summer 1919, takes Moscow, thus Petrograd is unguarded and Yudenich easily captures it, BOOM, Whites win.

I study this period of history at university. In fact, I might play as the Whites.

[Elepis]

Well, they lasted just as long (approx) as the Whites and were a lot more interesting.

I would like to play them.

I agree about the Greens though

One could argue the White's were doomed

Nay. The Whites could win. Denikin wins Battle of Orel at summer 1919, takes Moscow, thus Petrograd is unguarded and Yudenich easily captures it, BOOM, Whites win.

I study this period of history at university. In fact, I might play as the Whites.

However they were hated in the west so if they did win and somehow take the large cities, they would face rebellions and get kicked out again.

The Russian proletariat were't just going to accept the Czar's again after getting a taste of revolution

[Caltarania]

Nay. The Whites could win. Denikin wins Battle of Orel at summer 1919, takes Moscow, thus Petrograd is unguarded and Yudenich easily captures it, BOOM, Whites win.

I study this period of history at university. In fact, I might play as the Whites.

However they were hated in the west so if they did win and somehow take the large cities, they would face rebellions and get kicked out again.

The Russian proletariat were't just going to accept the Czar's again after getting a taste of revolution

Tbf, I reckon that the Whites would make a compromise deal and institute some form of republican government, with themselves likely holding some sort of influence over it, mind you.

[Finland SSR]

Nay. The Whites could win. Denikin wins Battle of Orel at summer 1919, takes Moscow, thus Petrograd is unguarded and Yudenich easily captures it, BOOM, Whites win.

I study this period of history at university. In fact, I might play as the Whites.

However they were hated in the west so if they did win and somehow take the large cities, they would face rebellions and get kicked out again.

The Russian proletariat were't just going to accept the Czar's again after getting a taste of revolution

Thr Russian Proletariat also completely despised War Communism, as well as any kind of war. Besides, the next Tsar in line, Nicholas III, was a heavy supporter of democracy, and it's safe to say that it wouldn't have been an absolute monarchy.

The Russians also despised war, and the Bolsheviks were all about war and marching to Western Europe. The Whites could have done a few easy ideological decisions to push most of the peasants to their side.

[Elepis]

However they were hated in the west so if they did win and somehow take the large cities, they would face rebellions and get kicked out again.

The Russian proletariat were't just going to accept the Czar's again after getting a taste of revolution

Tbf, I reckon that the Whites would make a compromise deal and institute some form of republican government, with themselves likely holding some sort of influence over it, mind you.

However, the Russian's (at least in the industrial western cities) didn't want a bourgeois republic and that is why they rose in revolt in October.

I guess if the White government was not in WW1 there might not be a rebellion immediately but there would be vast, vast discontent

[Caltarania]

However they were hated in the west so if they did win and somehow take the large cities, they would face rebellions and get kicked out again.

The Russian proletariat were't just going to accept the Czar's again after getting a taste of revolution

Thr Russian Proletariat also completely despised War Communism, as well as any kind of war. Besides, the next Tsar in line, Nicholas III, was a heavy supporter of democracy, and it's safe to say that it wouldn't have been an absolute monarchy.

The Russians also despised war, and the Bolsheviks were all about war and marching to Western Europe. The Whites could have done a few easy ideological decisions to push most of the peasants to their side.

Not really. The whole reason that the October Revolution took place was on a message of ending the First World War. They wanted to encourage planned Communist revolutions across Europe, but they were ideologically opposed to wars of the conventional type as it would essentially be a war between the proletariat, as opposed to a war against the bourgeois.

[Finland SSR]

Tbf, I reckon that the Whites would make a compromise deal and institute some form of republican government, with themselves likely holding some sort of influence over it, mind you.

However, the Russian's (at least in the industrial western cities) didn't want a bourgeois republic and that is why they rose in revolt in October.

I guess if the White government was not in WW1 there might not be a rebellion immediately but there would be vast, vast discontent

There was no "revolt" in October. It was a coup.

And the majority of the Russian people didn' support the Bolsheviks. They were a minor party for a reason. Plus, their overly oppressive policies, troikas and WAR COMMUNISM pushed discontent.
There wa no support for revolution, nor there was one.

[Elepis]

However they were hated in the west so if they did win and somehow take the large cities, they would face rebellions and get kicked out again.

The Russian proletariat were't just going to accept the Czar's again after getting a taste of revolution

Thr Russian Proletariat also completely despised War Communism, as well as any kind of war. Besides, the next Tsar in line, Nicholas III, was a heavy supporter of democracy, and it's safe to say that it wouldn't have been an absolute monarchy.

The Russians also despised war, and the Bolsheviks were all about war and marching to Western Europe. The Whites could have done a few easy ideological decisions to push most of the peasants to their side.

So the Russian people who fought for the Red Army despised the Red Army? Yes, there was conscription, however there was a large loyal contingent as well.

The Russian people despised the Whites more than the Reds, why would they back the Whites? The peasants support the Reds because they offered Bread and Land, would the White's (upper-middle class landowners) be willing to give the peasants the land they wanted or the factory workers the concessions they wanted

[Finland SSR]

Thr Russian Proletariat also completely despised War Communism, as well as any kind of war. Besides, the next Tsar in line, Nicholas III, was a heavy supporter of democracy, and it's safe to say that it wouldn't have been an absolute monarchy.

The Russians also despised war, and the Bolsheviks were all about war and marching to Western Europe. The Whites could have done a few easy ideological decisions to push most of the peasants to their side.

Not really. The whole reason that the October Revolution took place was on a message of ending the First World War. They wanted to encourage planned Communist revolutions across Europe, but they were ideologically opposed to wars of the conventional type as it would essentially be a war between the proletariat, as opposed to a war against the bourgeois.

Tell that to Tukhachevsky and the summer march to Warsaw.

[Finland SSR]

Thr Russian Proletariat also completely despised War Communism, as well as any kind of war. Besides, the next Tsar in line, Nicholas III, was a heavy supporter of democracy, and it's safe to say that it wouldn't have been an absolute monarchy.

The Russians also despised war, and the Bolsheviks were all about war and marching to Western Europe. The Whites could have done a few easy ideological decisions to push most of the peasants to their side.

So the Russian people who fought for the Red Army despised the Red Army? Yes, there was conscription, however there was a large loyal contingent as well.

The Russian people despised the Whites more than the Reds, why would they back the Whites? The peasants support the Reds because they offered Bread and Land, would the White's (upper-middle class landowners) be willing to give the peasants the land they wanted or the factory workers the concessions they wanted

Out of the 9 million conscripted for the Red Army, over half tried to escape service, but were caught. Look it up.

Also, I SAID that if the Whites did some idological decisions, they could've easily swayed the countryside to themselves. They could point out War Communism and the march to Warsaw. They could say that they will not bring back the aristocracy.

[Caltarania]

Not really. The whole reason that the October Revolution took place was on a message of ending the First World War. They wanted to encourage planned Communist revolutions across Europe, but they were ideologically opposed to wars of the conventional type as it would essentially be a war between the proletariat, as opposed to a war against the bourgeois.

Tell that to Tukhachevsky and the summer march to Warsaw.

But Stalin.

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Well the Greens didn't really have a coherent ideological allegiance, so they'd fight against White and Red, but yeah, the Bolsheviks did secure about a quarter of the seats in the Constituent Assembly before Lenin abolished it, so they definitely had a decently large support base, albeit not the largest.

[Elepis]

However, the Russian's (at least in the industrial western cities) didn't want a bourgeois republic and that is why they rose in revolt in October.

I guess if the White government was not in WW1 there might not be a rebellion immediately but there would be vast, vast discontent

There was no "revolt" in October. It was a coup.

And the majority of the Russian people didn' support the Bolsheviks. They were a minor party for a reason. Plus, their overly oppressive policies, troikas and WAR COMMUNISM pushed discontent.
There wa no support for revolution, nor there was one.

So a "coup" of workers took power in Petrograd and gave power to the workers, and other "coups" also carried out by the workers took place at the same time across Western Russia and the industrial workers pushed the White's out of western Russia withing months.

And you gain from this the workers did not support the Reds?

The majority of Russians did support the Reds, that is why they won. The Whites had nothing to offer and that is why they lost

[Elepis]

Not really. The whole reason that the October Revolution took place was on a message of ending the First World War. They wanted to encourage planned Communist revolutions across Europe, but they were ideologically opposed to wars of the conventional type as it would essentially be a war between the proletariat, as opposed to a war against the bourgeois.

Tell that to Tukhachevsky and the summer march to Warsaw.

One event, that took place AFTER THE POLS HAD INAVDED

[Finland SSR]

Tell that to Tukhachevsky and the summer march to Warsaw.

That kind of ideology is practically irrelevant post-Lenin, what with all the infighting and the ever-present rise of Stalin.

And we're not talking about that era. We are talking about the Civil War.