The Jonathanian States wrote:Spartakist Germany FTW?
As it must be ;U;
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by The Industrial States of Columbia » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:50 am

by Negara-West Hesia » Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:07 am
The Industrial States of Columbia wrote:The Jonathanian States wrote:Spartakist Germany FTW?
As it must be ;U;
by The Industrial States of Columbia » Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:19 am

by The Jonathanian States » Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:57 am

by Finland SSR » Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:10 am
The Jonathanian States wrote:Elepis wrote:
agreed
And because we have red Germany we need Black Russia. Whites win and descend through various shades of grey until they turn out to be a fascist black..

by Elepis » Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:24 am
The Jonathanian States wrote:Elepis wrote:
agreed
And because we have red Germany we need Black Russia. Whites win and descend through various shades of grey until they turn out to be a fascist black..

by Elepis » Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:25 am
Finland SSR wrote:The Jonathanian States wrote:And because we have red Germany we need Black Russia. Whites win and descend through various shades of grey until they turn out to be a fascist black..
OR both Germany and Russia become communist, actually ally this time and take on the planet.
Though, a white Russia is my kind of jam. Was it the Novorossiya movement or something?
Wait, no, Mladorossi. Close enough.

by Finland SSR » Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:29 am
Wolfpaw from AH Forums wrote:If the POD is Denikin's taking of Moscow (which could easily lead to Yudenich taking Petrograd) then Wrangel is still considered the chief White. Kolchak is in charge of everything east (and a little bit west) of the Urals and so has a lot of clout. You'll probably have a few Red versions of the Tambov Rebellion, Central Asia's going to be a nasty place for a while, and there's this crazy motherfucker pillaging Mongolia, but by and large the White Movement has consolidated its control over the remnants of the Russian (minus Poland, Finland, and the Baltics).
The meeting is uncomfortable. People won't stand for a return to autocracy, but all present are uneasy with parliamentary democracy and view the Republic as a bad joke. Plus, the country needs a figurehead and it's not like any of the leading Whites are anti-monarchist. Well, at least none who have clout.
So they hold a zemsky sobor and elect the universally popular Grand Duke Nicholas as Tsar Nicholas III (the Reds really only hated him because he was a Romanov).
Nicholas was a friend to parliamentary rule and he reforms the Duma and does his damndest to turn Russia into a functioning constitutional monarchy that basically mirrors the British system. The White leaders keep their power, though, by establishing the Privy Council (or White Council depending on how self-righteous you want them to be) to "advise the government on important matters." It's basically a way for the White leaders and the military to retain a measure of control over the government, like the General Staff tried to do in Weimar Germany.
Wrangel becomes the first prime minister, gets himself a coalition cabinet largely made up of centrists, liberals, a smattering of conservatives, and delegates from the labor-oriented parties who aren't screaming for revolution.
Denikin and Yudenich content themselves with running the military, Kolchak becomes more ambitious and becomes a figurehead of the right-wing (again, like Ludendorff.)
This country, however, is almost doomed to economic and political instability, like the Weimar Republic, with political street gangs and rampant corruption, etc. Maybe Wrangel retires because he's sick of the whole thing or gets popped by a disgruntled Red later on, I dunno. You'll see people like Milyukov, Guchkov, Ryabushinsky trying really hard to hold everything together.
With Nicholas III dying in 1929 and the Great Depression hitting a still-fragile Russia, you'll see a rise in extremism again. Reds will be more accepted, but fascist movements will be, too. Kolchak might stage a coup or putsch or something to take power or "restore order", or just win in an election. Under him (and a Tsar sympathetic to fascism, Cyril) you'll see something like Mladorossi come about, maybe even under the charismatic and handsome (though maybe a bit clownishly flamboyant and idealistic) Kazembek.
This fascism will be more akin to Franco's Spain than anything the Nazis cooked up. Pogroms against Jews and other minorities, Orthodox clerical fascism, anti-parliamentarianism, and demands for the return of all territory lost in WWI. Hell, they'd probably also embrace pan-Slavism and want the whole of Slavic Europe.
Long story short, Poland and the Baltics ought to be very nervous. Maybe even Czechoslovakia and Romania, too (that pan-Slavism, you know).
That's all for now; my hands hurt.
Elepis wrote:Finland SSR wrote:OR both Germany and Russia become communist, actually ally this time and take on the planet.
Though, a white Russia is my kind of jam. Was it the Novorossiya movement or something?
Wait, no, Mladorossi. Close enough.
if that happened, capitalism would be ended in Europe in 5 years (yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy)
Elepis wrote:The Jonathanian States wrote:And because we have red Germany we need Black Russia. Whites win and descend through various shades of grey until they turn out to be a fascist black..
and anarchist Ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory

by Elepis » Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:37 am
Finland SSR wrote:Here is a potential Fascist Russia:Wolfpaw from AH Forums wrote:If the POD is Denikin's taking of Moscow (which could easily lead to Yudenich taking Petrograd) then Wrangel is still considered the chief White. Kolchak is in charge of everything east (and a little bit west) of the Urals and so has a lot of clout. You'll probably have a few Red versions of the Tambov Rebellion, Central Asia's going to be a nasty place for a while, and there's this crazy motherfucker pillaging Mongolia, but by and large the White Movement has consolidated its control over the remnants of the Russian (minus Poland, Finland, and the Baltics).
The meeting is uncomfortable. People won't stand for a return to autocracy, but all present are uneasy with parliamentary democracy and view the Republic as a bad joke. Plus, the country needs a figurehead and it's not like any of the leading Whites are anti-monarchist. Well, at least none who have clout.
So they hold a zemsky sobor and elect the universally popular Grand Duke Nicholas as Tsar Nicholas III (the Reds really only hated him because he was a Romanov).
Nicholas was a friend to parliamentary rule and he reforms the Duma and does his damndest to turn Russia into a functioning constitutional monarchy that basically mirrors the British system. The White leaders keep their power, though, by establishing the Privy Council (or White Council depending on how self-righteous you want them to be) to "advise the government on important matters." It's basically a way for the White leaders and the military to retain a measure of control over the government, like the General Staff tried to do in Weimar Germany.
Wrangel becomes the first prime minister, gets himself a coalition cabinet largely made up of centrists, liberals, a smattering of conservatives, and delegates from the labor-oriented parties who aren't screaming for revolution.
Denikin and Yudenich content themselves with running the military, Kolchak becomes more ambitious and becomes a figurehead of the right-wing (again, like Ludendorff.)
This country, however, is almost doomed to economic and political instability, like the Weimar Republic, with political street gangs and rampant corruption, etc. Maybe Wrangel retires because he's sick of the whole thing or gets popped by a disgruntled Red later on, I dunno. You'll see people like Milyukov, Guchkov, Ryabushinsky trying really hard to hold everything together.
With Nicholas III dying in 1929 and the Great Depression hitting a still-fragile Russia, you'll see a rise in extremism again. Reds will be more accepted, but fascist movements will be, too. Kolchak might stage a coup or putsch or something to take power or "restore order", or just win in an election. Under him (and a Tsar sympathetic to fascism, Cyril) you'll see something like Mladorossi come about, maybe even under the charismatic and handsome (though maybe a bit clownishly flamboyant and idealistic) Kazembek.
This fascism will be more akin to Franco's Spain than anything the Nazis cooked up. Pogroms against Jews and other minorities, Orthodox clerical fascism, anti-parliamentarianism, and demands for the return of all territory lost in WWI. Hell, they'd probably also embrace pan-Slavism and want the whole of Slavic Europe.
Long story short, Poland and the Baltics ought to be very nervous. Maybe even Czechoslovakia and Romania, too (that pan-Slavism, you know).
That's all for now; my hands hurt.
Also, independent Ukraine.Elepis wrote:
if that happened, capitalism would be ended in Europe in 5 years (yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy)
I hate people like you.

by Terminus Alpha » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:02 pm

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by The imperial canadian dutchy » Tue Sep 15, 2015 6:28 pm
The Jonathanian States wrote:Spartakist Germany FTW?

by The Jonathanian States » Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:31 pm
Waztaskio wrote:
I'm thinking of having the POD be around 1919, and actually have the RP start in 1945.

by Finland SSR » Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:44 pm
Finland SSR wrote:Here is a potential Fascist Russia:Wolfpaw from AH Forums wrote:If the POD is Denikin's taking of Moscow (which could easily lead to Yudenich taking Petrograd) then Wrangel is still considered the chief White. Kolchak is in charge of everything east (and a little bit west) of the Urals and so has a lot of clout. You'll probably have a few Red versions of the Tambov Rebellion, Central Asia's going to be a nasty place for a while, and there's this crazy motherfucker pillaging Mongolia, but by and large the White Movement has consolidated its control over the remnants of the Russian (minus Poland, Finland, and the Baltics).
The meeting is uncomfortable. People won't stand for a return to autocracy, but all present are uneasy with parliamentary democracy and view the Republic as a bad joke. Plus, the country needs a figurehead and it's not like any of the leading Whites are anti-monarchist. Well, at least none who have clout.
So they hold a zemsky sobor and elect the universally popular Grand Duke Nicholas as Tsar Nicholas III (the Reds really only hated him because he was a Romanov).
Nicholas was a friend to parliamentary rule and he reforms the Duma and does his damndest to turn Russia into a functioning constitutional monarchy that basically mirrors the British system. The White leaders keep their power, though, by establishing the Privy Council (or White Council depending on how self-righteous you want them to be) to "advise the government on important matters." It's basically a way for the White leaders and the military to retain a measure of control over the government, like the General Staff tried to do in Weimar Germany.
Wrangel becomes the first prime minister, gets himself a coalition cabinet largely made up of centrists, liberals, a smattering of conservatives, and delegates from the labor-oriented parties who aren't screaming for revolution.
Denikin and Yudenich content themselves with running the military, Kolchak becomes more ambitious and becomes a figurehead of the right-wing (again, like Ludendorff.)
This country, however, is almost doomed to economic and political instability, like the Weimar Republic, with political street gangs and rampant corruption, etc. Maybe Wrangel retires because he's sick of the whole thing or gets popped by a disgruntled Red later on, I dunno. You'll see people like Milyukov, Guchkov, Ryabushinsky trying really hard to hold everything together.
With Nicholas III dying in 1929 and the Great Depression hitting a still-fragile Russia, you'll see a rise in extremism again. Reds will be more accepted, but fascist movements will be, too. Kolchak might stage a coup or putsch or something to take power or "restore order", or just win in an election. Under him (and a Tsar sympathetic to fascism, Cyril) you'll see something like Mladorossi come about, maybe even under the charismatic and handsome (though maybe a bit clownishly flamboyant and idealistic) Kazembek.
This fascism will be more akin to Franco's Spain than anything the Nazis cooked up. Pogroms against Jews and other minorities, Orthodox clerical fascism, anti-parliamentarianism, and demands for the return of all territory lost in WWI. Hell, they'd probably also embrace pan-Slavism and want the whole of Slavic Europe.
Long story short, Poland and the Baltics ought to be very nervous. Maybe even Czechoslovakia and Romania, too (that pan-Slavism, you know).
That's all for now; my hands hurt.
Also, independent Ukraine.

by Negara-West Hesia » Wed Sep 16, 2015 7:02 am

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by Liecthenbourg » Thu Sep 17, 2015 3:08 pm
Terminus Alpha wrote:So I'm pretty much done with the OP post of Orphans of a Dead World, before I post it is there any interest here?

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by G-Tech Corporation » Fri Sep 18, 2015 10:11 am
Elepis wrote:anyone have any historical rp ideas Ancient Rome-1890s?
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