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[The imperial canadian dutchy]

>OPs claims come first
>You're making the thread, literally you could claim half of Europe before anyone could post

>They do sorry
>I could if I wanted, but now why would I? It wouldn't be very fun...

What are you planning on? Just curious.

If you want to try it out maybe be a Gothic nation that survived the Huns and still stands in Crimea, I tried that in a medieval RP once and it was actually alot of fun.

That sounds fun, but I was thinking of doing something akin to a small Baltic state or German State.

The joke was, either way it was going to be the case, because that's how RP's work

[Dainava]

Err... 442299.

Are there any 19th century RP's going on? That's my favourite era - nationalism, Spring of Nations, imperialism... wars all over the planet.

[Elepis]

Err... 442299.

Are there any 19th century RP's going on? That's my favourite era - nationalism, Spring of Nations, imperialism... wars all over the planet.

I cannot think of any at the moment, but I can guarantee there will be in the next one-two weeks as that is the favourite period of this forum.

There is a 1700's one about to start

[Conchabira]

Yeah, just wait for like a week and someone will come up with a 19th century themed one. You should join the 1700's one though, we coukd use a couple more people in it.

[Dainava]

Yeah, just wait for like a week and someone will come up with a 19th century themed one. You should join the 1700's one though, we coukd use a couple more people in it.

Okay. Has anything been reserved yet?

[Reatra]

Err... 442299.

Are there any 19th century RP's going on? That's my favourite era - nationalism, Spring of Nations, imperialism... wars all over the planet.

We've been in that era for years now.


I'm sort of sick of it.


Anyway, did you pay your tax?

[Elepis]

Yeah, just wait for like a week and someone will come up with a 19th century themed one. You should join the 1700's one though, we coukd use a couple more people in it.

Okay. Has anything been reserved yet?

not officially, people are talking about what they would like though (Jutemark or northern Italy for me)

[Dainava]

Err... 442299.

Are there any 19th century RP's going on? That's my favourite era - nationalism, Spring of Nations, imperialism... wars all over the planet.

We've been in that era for years now.


I'm sort of sick of it.


Anyway, did you pay your tax?

Really? Huh... I don't know how one can get sick of it - it has so many options and ideas!

Okay. Has anything been reserved yet?

not officially, people are talking about what they would like though (Jutemark or northern Italy for me)

Well, I would like not-Russia myself.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

I'd personally like to do Northern Italy as well, but may the faster reserver win

[Elepis]

I'd personally like to do Northern Italy as well, but may the faster reserver win

we could split it, you have Venice/Tyrol/Trieste area, I have Lombardy/Piedmont/Genoa area?

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

I'd personally like to do Northern Italy as well, but may the faster reserver win

we could split it, you have Venice/Tyrol/Trieste area, I have Lombardy/Piedmont/Genoa area?

Sure that's what I was planning anyways

[Elepis]

we could split it, you have Venice/Tyrol/Trieste area, I have Lombardy/Piedmont/Genoa area?

Sure that's what I was planning anyways

me to, hurrah.

I think I will have to go Milan as I just cannot commit to a major country like Jutemark (even though I would love to do it) at the moment.

[Elepis]

Err... 442299.

Are there any 19th century RP's going on? That's my favourite era - nationalism, Spring of Nations, imperialism... wars all over the planet.

here's one that I really wish I had joined

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=348974#p25413691

[Kisinger]

OOC is finally here fo you all to enjoy!

[Reatra]

I'd personally like to do Northern Italy as well, but may the faster reserver win

Genoa+Milan FTW

[Alleniana]

Eh, that sounds like blitzkrieg wank to me; tanks were developed as a reaction to trench warfare. But, if the Germans were less savvy, and the Belgians resisted a bit more, I could definitely see a relatively fast win for the Allies, which would actually produces results more like WWI not occurring at all than the slow-drawn out war as IRL.

In such a case, I would imagine Germany would take relatively minimal losses; all its colonies, perhaps, and then maybe its ethnically Polish lands outside of Pomerelia, and of course, Alsace-Lorraine. Austro-Hungary might only give up Italian Tyrol and Galicia, to Russia, perhaps?

Eh? I'd imagine that Austria-Hungary would still collapse, though it is plausible that Germany would have gotten off with a metaphorical slap on the wrist.

usga usga though

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*Release Date is being decided
*It's going to be set in the Early 1700s

gib mega lithuania because I say so and you will

Everyone needs more Lithuania in their lives.

yes we did air that

estonia gdp per capita

Lithuania gets gobbled by Russia in 1000

...no.

Also, I personally would like the big Eastern Europe nation to be controlled by someone who is well-versed in that area.

And why have a big Eastern Europe nation anyway? I could calculate the number of times we had a balkanized Russia on the hand of an amputee.

*Kievan Rus' cackle*

Seven times I've seen it. Seven times in all these years.

You could do Kiev-Moscow-Novgorod split

Greater Lithuania, Ukraine, Poland, Ingria, Novgorod, Moscow, Kazan, Volgograd, Urals, Yakut, Primorye, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, -stan, Georgia, Dagestan, Astrakhan, Azerbaijan, Armenia, more

that's "Balkanised"?

Karelia Kola Novgorod Moscow Vladimir Suzdal Minsk Litovsk/Brest? Pereyaslavl Kiev Polotsk Chernigov Smolensk Ryazan Galicia Turov Volga-Bulgaria Volhynia

Yes. Creative plausible nations>Accurate nations

*nostalgically croons* Nestoria, Chicago, Rattanakosin, muh babies

Good old Nasrani Mughals, Great Russia, how I miss thee.

Occitania Catalonia Galicia Andalusia Celtica Scandinavia West-Slavia Intermarium South-Slavia Ruthenia

A 1700 RP?

Herm...

Republic of Florence peaks my interest. Something tiny, yet dynamic. Fits into my schedule nicely.

Ideally I would do the Three Kingdoms and just clear Ireland of the Irish people but you know time and all that.

I remember an RP I did where Ireland wasn't hit that bad by the 2008 Recession, because it had a small recession in 2004 that caused it to put in stringent regulations and readopt the Irish Pound. When the Recession, the Pound collapsed hard and the UK suffered a lot worse than it did IRL(Something about a BNP ruling party or something IDK UK politics) and Ireland bailed the UK out and started to treat it like Germany treats Greece. It was funny.

How would Ireland have that capital? Greece is many times smaller than Germand, and Ireland the UK.

Err... 442299.

Are there any 19th century RP's going on? That's my favourite era - nationalism, Spring of Nations, imperialism... wars all over the planet.

you're in luck
Maybe not exactly at this moment, but we never stray far from there.

[The New Lowlands]

We've been in that era for years now.


I'm sort of sick of it.


Anyway, did you pay your tax?

Really? Huh... I don't know how one can get sick of it - it has so many options and ideas!

Because America hadn't won yet.

That makes things boring : )))

[The Jonathanian States]

but then a Milan dominated Piedmont instead of Sardinia/Genoa dominated Piedmont could be interesting as well. This needs thinking about.

Jutemark sounds more interesting but how much time would it need...



It could be Danish (with their positions reversed, the Danes could all go over to England instead of the Jutes, leaving the Jutes to pick up the pieces). Or England/Wales could be Roman-British with Scotland Celtic.

I have settled on Jutemark (for the time being). Modern day Denmark, Lower Saxony, Schleswig-Holstein, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Skåne, Blekinge, Halland, Småland, Västergötland and Östergötland

You forgot Hamburg, huehuehuehuehuehue.

1 v 1 me Moolan.

Maybe Milan, but I suddenly like Jutemark.

Where the Jutes were the dominant power instead of the Danes and Jutemark became a great land power instead of naval and expanded in to northern Germany and southern Sweden instead of England

God no. Please no. Just not this. Not this, never, ever, ever, speak of this idea again. The Schaale-Elbe line (let alone any danes south of it) is infamous and heretic heathenry, idolatry in the face of common sense and good taste.
To quote and then translate a possible etymology of the name of Altona, once a danish suburb to Hamburg, from its german wiki article as it is lacking in the English version:

Der Name könnte sich davon ableiten, dass der Ort nach Ansicht des Hamburger Rates „all to nah“ (allzu nah) an der Stadtgrenze lag

The name could be derived from the danish town being, according to the Hamburger Council "all to nah" (allzu nah), or in english "way too close" to the city limits of Hamburg.

Seven times I've seen it. Seven times in all these years.

You could do Kiev-Moscow-Novgorod split

Greater Lithuania, Ukraine, Poland, Ingria, Novgorod, Moscow, Kazan, Volgograd, Urals, Yakut, Primorye, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, -stan, Georgia, Dagestan, Astrakhan, Azerbaijan, Armenia, more

Divided we Stand RP. US divided into shambles, Russia roughly into the above, Germany broken into some type of 1869 borders, France partitioned, Albion crushed, China warring-stated, India feudalized, Spain broken up, Balkans balkanized.

*distant Reaganite laughter*

CYMRU AM BYTH

Dat Patagonia.

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*Release Date is being decided
*It's going to be set in the Early 1700s

gib mega lithuania because I say so and you will

Everyone needs more Lithuania in their lives.

yes we did air that

I salute Vytautas mineral water.

*Manchu conquest intensifies*

*Dutch Wanking intensifies*

*Genovese banking intensifies*

Freddy the Great Wanking intensifies.

that was under the castle policy

which wouldn't have happened without ww1

educate yourself

as long as Germany continues to be losing the war, they'll have to give up Alsace

Britain exists, QED Germany is losing the war

incorrect use of QED
Anyway, if Kaiser Bill hadn't decided to go lolcolonavy, it might well be UK + Germany vs France, Russia, etc.

Mhm.

Literally impossible in all terms but prestige. >:u

I didn't say that :f

Anyway, what about a shorter WWI? Perhaps Germany is quickly defeated, or the other way around?

I once toyed around with the idea of the Miracle at the Marne not happening, IIRC.

as it was looking like the Empire might be able to catch up with Germany in industrial terms in a decade or so and ergo be able to compete with the other Great Powers.

Yes, "looking". Emphasis on the said word.

In 1914, Russia was a massively expansionist state with many ambitions of catching up to the rest of Europe. However, it was composed of many oppressed cultures with, by then, organized and determined leaders and leading organizations seeking any chance to break away, a mostly illiterate population, no land reform nor any plans to execute it, leaving most of the workers still locked in their farms. Technically, serfdom was abolished, but in a very conservative and careful way - the serfs had to buy out the land from the landowners to be free, or pack their basic stuff and leave for cities with no capital or skills at their hands.

Yes, the Tsar tried to develop some industry to catch up, with French loans, but state-controlled mainly militarized complex does not create a free market, developed and efficient economy like the other Western countries had. Even the Soviets did not create a free economy - the too focused on military production. And that is fine and all in a military perspective, but remember:

Not blood and iron solves the conflicts of our time, but diplomacy and the pen.

I don't recall Hitler being toppled by diplomacy or pen, neither was the German Emperor kicked out using one of either of those.
Now, if with our time you mean actually our time, 2015 that is, that's a whole different discussion, but one of which I'm not sure how relevant it is to discussing WW1 not happening as we know it.

Not really, It would just be the German Empire, with slightly different policies, German Social Democrats supported Militarism

that was under the castle policy

which wouldn't have happened without ww1

educate yourself

True indeed. The reason for the CP being, IIRC, that it wanted to show the established parties that the cordon sanitaire placed upon them can be lifted because they are a serious and "pro-German" party.

Maybe a White Russia..... Austria is reduced to the homeland, and super Hungary :3 I'm kidding but, I'd assume Hungary would try and keep control over Croatia, and Slovakia. The Balkans would be the Balkans... I'd assume Colonial Empires would break around irl, because I'm sure a World War would eventually happen... Um... Yeah... And I see Poland, the Baltic, and Ukraine getting independence during a Russian Civil War...

Russia would be interesting. Before the war broke out, Russia was undergoing a period of industrialisation which could have had the country catch up to it's Western neighbours in but a few decades or so. The only way, though, that I see the monarchy surviving is if Nicholas allows a constitutional monarchy to be created, and even then there would be chaffing with the more radical factions of the liberals and, of course, the revolutionary factions. Would be interesting, but I doubt a civil war would have taken place unless the war did.

A) I recall something about that industrialization as well. In fact, that's one of the reasons the German Military Establishment wanted their war with Russia to happen earlier rathern than later. If you don't have the war at its historical time or send Russia into some other turmoil or massive incompetence then it boosts forward significantly.
B) Just kill old Nicky. I'm serious. I'm not joking, at all. That guy is just bloody incompetent, even when compared to Willy, second of his name. I'll be glad to expand if anybody is interested.

In completely other news, back I am, laddies.

[Finland SSR]

Yes, "looking". Emphasis on the said word.

In 1914, Russia was a massively expansionist state with many ambitions of catching up to the rest of Europe. However, it was composed of many oppressed cultures with, by then, organized and determined leaders and leading organizations seeking any chance to break away, a mostly illiterate population, no land reform nor any plans to execute it, leaving most of the workers still locked in their farms. Technically, serfdom was abolished, but in a very conservative and careful way - the serfs had to buy out the land from the landowners to be free, or pack their basic stuff and leave for cities with no capital or skills at their hands.

Yes, the Tsar tried to develop some industry to catch up, with French loans, but state-controlled mainly militarized complex does not create a free market, developed and efficient economy like the other Western countries had. Even the Soviets did not create a free economy - the too focused on military production. And that is fine and all in a military perspective, but remember:

Not blood and iron solves the conflicts of our time, but diplomacy and the pen.

I don't recall Hitler being toppled by diplomacy or pen, neither was the German Emperor kicked out using one of either of those.
Now, if with our time you mean actually our time, 2015 that is, that's a whole different discussion, but one of which I'm not sure how relevant it is to discussing WW1 not happening as we know it.

Maybe not exactly "diplomacy", but just not "big guns". You don't win with guns. Hitler surely didn't.

[The Kingdom of Glitter]

Maybe not exactly "diplomacy", but just not "big guns". You don't win with guns. Hitler surely didn't.

Yes but he was defeated with guns.

I mean it is not exactly like Hitler was exactly the most reasonable chap when it came to diplomatic negotiations.

[The Jonathanian States]

I don't recall Hitler being toppled by diplomacy or pen, neither was the German Emperor kicked out using one of either of those.
Now, if with our time you mean actually our time, 2015 that is, that's a whole different discussion, but one of which I'm not sure how relevant it is to discussing WW1 not happening as we know it.

Maybe not exactly "diplomacy", but just not "big guns". You don't win with guns. Hitler surely didn't.

Hitler didn't win at all, with or without guns. Hitler did get elected, to an extent because of (the) guns (that his SA thugs used in threatening, for example, the Zentrum).
And yes, Hitler was beaten not only not at all by diplomacy, but also not only by "just" "big guns". He was also beaten by tanks, artillery, small guns, bombs, bombers, fighters, and warships.

Maybe not exactly "diplomacy", but just not "big guns". You don't win with guns. Hitler surely didn't.

Yes but he was defeated with guns.

I mean it is not exactly like Hitler was exactly the most reasonable chap when it came to diplomatic negotiations.

That, yes.

[Elepis]

I have settled on Jutemark (for the time being). Modern day Denmark, Lower Saxony, Schleswig-Holstein, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Skåne, Blekinge, Halland, Småland, Västergötland and Östergötland

You forgot Hamburg, huehuehuehuehuehue.

I was thinking Hamburg would be a Free City type thing

Maybe Milan, but I suddenly like Jutemark.

Where the Jutes were the dominant power instead of the Danes and Jutemark became a great land power instead of naval and expanded in to northern Germany and southern Sweden instead of England

God no. Please no. Just not this. Not this, never, ever, ever, speak of this idea again. The Schaale-Elbe line (let alone any danes south of it) is infamous and heretic heathenry, idolatry in the face of common sense and good taste.
To quote and then translate a possible etymology of the name of Altona, once a danish suburb to Hamburg, from its german wiki article as it is lacking in the English version:

Der Name könnte sich davon ableiten, dass der Ort nach Ansicht des Hamburger Rates „all to nah“ (allzu nah) an der Stadtgrenze lag

The name could be derived from the danish town being, according to the Hamburger Council "all to nah" (allzu nah), or in english "way too close" to the city limits of Hamburg.

Don't worry, they would be Jutes not Danes. Makes all the difference

(anyway, i settled on Persia in the end)

[Finland SSR]

When I was talking about Russia, I meant "having a large military has no effect on how long you survive"

[The Jonathanian States]

When I was talking about Russia, I meant "having a large military has no effect on how long you survive"

I'm not sure I'd go as far as say it has no effect. It alone does not determine how long you survive, but it does influence your survival to varying degrees.

You forgot Hamburg, huehuehuehuehuehue.

I was thinking Hamburg would be a Free City type thing

I guess that explains why you didn't mention Bremen either. Though Lübeck (in MV) would be one too, probably.
And that being said, Denmark at times had ambitions on Hamburg and Lübeck, Bremen just having been a bit further away they would probably have wanted had they reached it. In fact, during a short period that I shall speak of only once and that henceforth shall never be named again, Hamburg was controlled by the evil Danes.

God no. Please no. Just not this. Not this, never, ever, ever, speak of this idea again. The Schaale-Elbe line (let alone any danes south of it) is infamous and heretic heathenry, idolatry in the face of common sense and good taste.
To quote and then translate a possible etymology of the name of Altona, once a danish suburb to Hamburg, from its german wiki article as it is lacking in the English version:

The name could be derived from the danish town being, according to the Hamburger Council "all to nah" (allzu nah), or in english "way too close" to the city limits of Hamburg.

Don't worry, they would be Jutes not Danes. Makes all the difference

(anyway, i settled on Persia in the end)

Eh....
Fair enough on that second part, I guess.

[Finland SSR]

History as in human history or just civilization history? Or perhaps the planet's history?

Goodbye, so many swamps in Eastern Baltic. That's geographical history. Anyway, I would change the prehistoric Balto-Slavic cultural split so the Balts would be more numerous. Like, say, instead of half a million or something in the 1000s, there would be 3 million of us, at least. Also, make the Balts contact with the rest of Europe more, and accept St. Brunon back in 1009 and Christianize, thus getting the ability to adapt to European advances earlier.

Thus, you get a powerful, wealthy, populous Christian Baltic kingdom two centuries earlier. Eventually, Kievan Rus should start to crumble, and then it's clobbering time. Balts more populous and Westernized - no adaption of Ruthenian culture, instead, Ruthenians adopt our culture. We assimilate the Eastern Slavs.

That would be a fun time.

Gib R where I can do this AH pl0x