War Gears: Iron Hearts (OOC, CLOSED)

[Monfrox]

And when I get paid I'm going to slaughter the Soviets in CoH2

CoH 2. A game that demonizes the Soviets and bows down to the mighty Nazi's who were the best and commited no war crimes and were the greatest ever! This coming from someone who has extensive time with the game. I would invest in MOWAS if I were you. MOWAS 2 if it is on sale.

Oh, save it. Everyone knows that the Nazis were evil, yes. But does that make the Soviets any better? Not entirely with the way Stalin treated his troops.

[The Grey Wolf]

CoH 2. A game that demonizes the Soviets and bows down to the mighty Nazi's who were the best and commited no war crimes and were the greatest ever! This coming from someone who has extensive time with the game. I would invest in MOWAS if I were you. MOWAS 2 if it is on sale.

Oh, save it. Everyone knows that the Nazis were evil, yes. But does that make the Soviets any better? Not entirely with the way Stalin treated his troops.

Or how his troops treated others.

[Perestroikavo]

CoH 2. A game that demonizes the Soviets and bows down to the mighty Nazi's who were the best and commited no war crimes and were the greatest ever! This coming from someone who has extensive time with the game. I would invest in MOWAS if I were you. MOWAS 2 if it is on sale.

Oh, save it. Everyone knows that the Nazis were evil, yes. But does that make the Soviets any better? Not entirely with the way Stalin treated his troops.

Never said it was any better. But most western countries, Americans especially seem to think the only thing the Soviets did was throw wave after wave of troops at the enemy, when in fact, that was a last ditch resort, commonly used by another country as well. Germany. I'm not justifying that the Soviets were better or worse than the Nazis, but that game portrays them as misogonystic bastards with no redeeming qualities whom only won with the sheer numbers behind them, instead of the war machine they really were, where the Nazi's get ridiculous overpowered units and can basically steamroll, all while never doing anything wrong. Example; A King Tiger that my ISU-152 shot twice in the rear lol'ed, turned around, bounced the concrete core rounds off his side, then proceeded to whittle the ISU down until it died. All without being repaired once.

[Monfrox]

Oh, save it. Everyone knows that the Nazis were evil, yes. But does that make the Soviets any better? Not entirely with the way Stalin treated his troops.

Never said it was any better. But most western countries, Americans especially seem to think the only thing the Soviets did was throw wave after wave of troops at the enemy, when in fact, that was a last ditch resort, commonly used by another country as well. Germany. I'm not justifying that the Soviets were better or worse than the Nazis, but that game portrays them as misogonystic bastards with no redeeming qualities whom only won with the sheer numbers behind them, instead of the war machine they really were, where the Nazi's get ridiculous overpowered units and can basically steamroll, all while never doing anything wrong. Example; A King Tiger that my ISU-152 shot twice in the rear lol'ed, turned around, bounced the concrete core rounds off his side, then proceeded to whittle the ISU down until it died. All without being repaired once.

Because by this point we all know "Nazis are bad, m'kay?" and we're getting more of a different side. Pretty much every country committed atrocities. I've read about Soviet tactics in WW2 where it said that when all else failed, which happened a lot actually, they through hordes of people at them hoping that someone would get through.

As for the game mechanics? I've never really had much of a hard time taking on German armor.

[Perestroikavo]

As for the game mechanics? I've never really had much of a hard time taking on German armor.

That really is great conversation. I especially love the heavy amounts of sarcasm dripping from your post. It stained my shirt through the screen. Being a jackass aside, I will admit that the Soviets did terrible things. As did the US. And Britain. Just like you said. No country was without its faults. But that game just seems too much to me. Its just ridiculous imho. It provides an unbalanced veiwpoint that I quite franky find offensive. CoH2 manages to use almost every single Russia-related trope, Gulags, army without any weapons, Russians shooting their own soldiers in the back. By the third mission I was honestly expecting to see bear cavalry. Here, the Great Patriotic War is about a heroic unified cause, not about repressive leaders throwing men against machine guns. The issue is complicated by Cold War myth-making by the Soviet Union and by Hollywood. Facts are obscured by a long, hostile political climate that has always sought to make claims on history. The campaign is basically one giant, offensive stereotype. The events on the Eastern Front were likely the most grim four years in the history of mankind. There is nothing wrong with trying to recreate that. It is wrong however, to essentially reduce it to the lazy stereotype of German Übermensch Wehrmacht and SS against the Soviet Horde.

[The Grey Wolf]

Boys, girls, calm yourselves.

[Monfrox]

As for the game mechanics? I've never really had much of a hard time taking on German armor.

That really is great conversation. I especially love the heavy amounts of sarcasm dripping from your post. It stained my shirt through the screen. Being a jackass aside, I will admit that the Soviets did terrible things. As did the US. And Britain. Just like you said. No country was without its faults. But that game just seems too much to me. Its just ridiculous imho. It provides an unbalanced veiwpoint that I quite franky find offensive. CoH2 manages to use almost every single Russia-related trope, Gulags, army without any weapons, Russians shooting their own soldiers in the back. By the third mission I was honestly expecting to see bear cavalry. Here, the Great Patriotic War is about a heroic unified cause, not about repressive leaders throwing men against machine guns. The issue is complicated by Cold War myth-making by the Soviet Union and by Hollywood. Facts are obscured by a long, hostile political climate that has always sought to make claims on history. The campaign is basically one giant, offensive stereotype. The events on the Eastern Front were likely the most grim four years in the history of mankind. There is nothing wrong with trying to recreate that. It is wrong however, to essentially reduce it to the lazy stereotype of German Übermensch Wehrmacht and SS against the Soviet Horde.

1. I'm not being sarcastic. I use the ISU-152, the IS-2, and the KV-2 when I play and I rarely run into problems.

2. And I am to expect that Russia can produce a video game with America as the forefront and main entity with it being totally politically correct all the time as well? Because I can tell you right now that I would not. Hell Japan portrays all our girls as blondes with blue eyes and an under-average IQ. Not stupid, but not smart either. And they portray our guys as assholes most of the time. Do I get mad? No. I'll admit we're assholes, and that we push the "blonde hair blue eyed girl" stereotype in our own country, but there is always a grain of truth in stereotypes. I doesn't see it as worth it to get mad at something that really affects so little. CoH2 isn't going to rewrite history. It's just a game.

[The Grey Wolf]

That really is great conversation. I especially love the heavy amounts of sarcasm dripping from your post. It stained my shirt through the screen. Being a jackass aside, I will admit that the Soviets did terrible things. As did the US. And Britain. Just like you said. No country was without its faults. But that game just seems too much to me. Its just ridiculous imho. It provides an unbalanced veiwpoint that I quite franky find offensive. CoH2 manages to use almost every single Russia-related trope, Gulags, army without any weapons, Russians shooting their own soldiers in the back. By the third mission I was honestly expecting to see bear cavalry. Here, the Great Patriotic War is about a heroic unified cause, not about repressive leaders throwing men against machine guns. The issue is complicated by Cold War myth-making by the Soviet Union and by Hollywood. Facts are obscured by a long, hostile political climate that has always sought to make claims on history. The campaign is basically one giant, offensive stereotype. The events on the Eastern Front were likely the most grim four years in the history of mankind. There is nothing wrong with trying to recreate that. It is wrong however, to essentially reduce it to the lazy stereotype of German Übermensch Wehrmacht and SS against the Soviet Horde.

1. I'm not being sarcastic. I use the ISU-152, the IS-2, and the KV-2 when I play and I rarely run into problems.

2. And I am to expect that Russia can produce a video game with America as the forefront and main entity with it being totally politically correct all the time as well? Because I can tell you right now that I would not. Hell Japan portrays all our girls as blondes with blue eyes and an under-average IQ. Not stupid, but not smart either. And they portray our guys as assholes most of the time. Do I get mad? No. I'll admit we're assholes, and that we push the "blonde hair blue eyed girl" stereotype in our own country, but there is always a grain of truth in stereotypes. I doesn't see it as worth it to get mad at something that really affects so little. CoH2 isn't going to rewrite history. It's just a game.

We have an... interesting history with the bolded.

[Perestroikavo]

1. I'm not being sarcastic. I use the ISU-152, the IS-2, and the KV-2 when I play and I rarely run into problems.

2. And I am to expect that Russia can produce a video game with America as the forefront and main entity with it being totally politically correct all the time as well? Because I can tell you right now that I would not. Hell Japan portrays all our girls as blondes with blue eyes and an under-average IQ. Not stupid, but not smart either. And they portray our guys as assholes most of the time. Do I get mad? No. I'll admit we're assholes, and that we push the "blonde hair blue eyed girl" stereotype in our own country, but there is always a grain of truth in stereotypes. I doesn't see it as worth it to get mad at something that really affects so little. CoH2 isn't going to rewrite history. It's just a game.

Quoted the wrong thing. And as much as it's just a game, think of 11-15 year olds playing that. I talked to a young boy yesterday who claimed that the Great Patriotic War should have been won by the Nazis. WTF?!?!? I just don't like the impressions it gives off. And yes. A recent title I played featured your standard American "Joe" who drank all the time, was an ass to everyone, was always hungry and eating. I'm not saying its non-existent, I'm saying that the particular title provides a ridiculous viewpoint on the whole thing, and undereducated players may make assumptions that weren't necissarily true. At no point was I angry during this, just a little perplexed. On a lighter note, I laughed my ass off when I watched some terrible British t.v. show. The Russian guy in it was like super strong and had lots of guns and drank lots of vodka, all while wearing a commissar's hat. Salute to you, GB.

[Monfrox]

1. I'm not being sarcastic. I use the ISU-152, the IS-2, and the KV-2 when I play and I rarely run into problems.

2. And I am to expect that Russia can produce a video game with America as the forefront and main entity with it being totally politically correct all the time as well? Because I can tell you right now that I would not. Hell Japan portrays all our girls as blondes with blue eyes and an under-average IQ. Not stupid, but not smart either. And they portray our guys as assholes most of the time. Do I get mad? No. I'll admit we're assholes, and that we push the "blonde hair blue eyed girl" stereotype in our own country, but there is always a grain of truth in stereotypes. I doesn't see it as worth it to get mad at something that really affects so little. CoH2 isn't going to rewrite history. It's just a game.

Quoted the wrong thing. And as much as it's just a game, think of 11-15 year olds playing that. I talked to a young boy yesterday who claimed that the Great Patriotic War should have been won by the Nazis. WTF?!?!? I just don't like the impressions it gives off. And yes. A recent title I played featured your standard American "Joe" who drank all the time, was an ass to everyone, was always hungry and eating. I'm not saying its non-existent, I'm saying that the particular title provides a ridiculous viewpoint on the whole thing, and undereducated players may make assumptions that weren't necissarily true. At no point was I angry during this, just a little perplexed. On a lighter note, I laughed my ass off when I watched some terrible British t.v. show. The Russian guy in it was like super strong and had lots of guns and drank lots of vodka, all while wearing a commissar's hat. Salute to you, GB.

Oh you think you have it bad when you're nation's little kids play CoH2 and say that? We have a nation full of little middle schoolers who think they know everything about guns and that war is just a game, and that it's as easy as picking up a rifle and pointing it at some one who isn't you and pulling the trigger. Yeah, thanks Call of Duty and Battlefield. Seriously, one of my buddies went to MEPS to enlist in the Air Force and some guy on the bus was like "All I wanna do is just kill people". Yeah, you have fun with that and the amount of PTSD that comes with it.

My favorite shooters will always be Spec Ops: The Line and Metro 2033. Those don't beat around the bush and let you know that war is fucking hell.

[The Grey Wolf]

1. I'm not being sarcastic. I use the ISU-152, the IS-2, and the KV-2 when I play and I rarely run into problems.

2. And I am to expect that Russia can produce a video game with America as the forefront and main entity with it being totally politically correct all the time as well? Because I can tell you right now that I would not. Hell Japan portrays all our girls as blondes with blue eyes and an under-average IQ. Not stupid, but not smart either. And they portray our guys as assholes most of the time. Do I get mad? No. I'll admit we're assholes, and that we push the "blonde hair blue eyed girl" stereotype in our own country, but there is always a grain of truth in stereotypes. I doesn't see it as worth it to get mad at something that really affects so little. CoH2 isn't going to rewrite history. It's just a game.

Quoted the wrong thing. And as much as it's just a game, think of 11-15 year olds playing that. I talked to a young boy yesterday who claimed that the Great Patriotic War should have been won by the Nazis. WTF?!?!? I just don't like the impressions it gives off. And yes. A recent title I played featured your standard American "Joe" who drank all the time, was an ass to everyone, was always hungry and eating. I'm not saying its non-existent, I'm saying that the particular title provides a ridiculous viewpoint on the whole thing, and undereducated players may make assumptions that weren't necissarily true. At no point was I angry during this, just a little perplexed. On a lighter note, I laughed my ass off when I watched some terrible British t.v. show. The Russian guy in it was like super strong and had lots of guns and drank lots of vodka, all while wearing a commissar's hat. Salute to you, GB.

WTF is it with this "Great Patriotic War" nonsense? Americans get this bad rap for being egotistical, but I think some people should look in the mirror.

Safe to say that that young boy probably didn't know about Generalplan Ost.

[Perestroikavo]

Oh you think you have it bad when you're nation's little kids play CoH2 and say that? We have a nation full of little middle schoolers who think they know everything about guns and that war is just a game, and that it's as easy as picking up a rifle and pointing it at some one who isn't you and pulling the trigger. Yeah, thanks Call of Duty and Battlefield. Seriously, one of my buddies went to MEPS to enlist in the Air Force and some guy on the bus was like "All I wanna do is just kill people". Yeah, you have fun with that and the amount of PTSD that comes with it.

My favorite shooters will always be Spec Ops: The Line and Metro 2033. Those don't beat around the bush and let you know that war is fucking hell.

What a bunch of morons. (No offense intended) I was so done with the Army after I got out. Never saw combat, but I was in a couple of rocket attacks, and that shit still gives me nightmares. Surprisingly, I still do love war games and movies. You would think it would make you not like them, but no. I have to say that we have different sorts of the same problem. My main thing is that I support communism, but the not ridiculously broken form that the USSR ran. When I hear these young kids saying "We should go back to being the USSR" I shudder. Gah.

My favorite shooters are Metro 2033 and probably STALKER: Shadow of Chernobyl. If we are going purely realistic, I agree with your two picks.

When you figure out that it was just the protragonist going crazy.

WTF is it with this "Great Patriotic War" nonsense? Americans get this bad rap for being egotistical, but I think some people should look in the mirror.

Safe to say that that young boy probably didn't know about Generalplan Ost.

You may call the country egotistical, but that is what WW2 is mostly referred to as here. It is more out of respect for the servicemen and women who served during that time, and to honour those families who lost members to not only the Nazis, but Stalins brutal regime as well.

[Monfrox]

WTF is it with this "Great Patriotic War" nonsense? Americans get this bad rap for being egotistical, but I think some people should look in the mirror.

Safe to say that that young boy probably didn't know about Generalplan Ost.

Can't you see I'm trying to have an educated discussion without slinging mud?

What a bunch of morons. (No offense intended) I was so done with the Army after I got out. Never saw combat, but I was in a couple of rocket attacks, and that shit still gives me nightmares. Surprisingly, I still do love war games and movies. You would think it would make you not like them, but no. I have to say that we have different sorts of the same problem. My main thing is that I support communism, but the not ridiculously broken form that the USSR ran. When I hear these young kids saying "We should go back to being the USSR" I shudder. Gah.

My favorite shooters are Metro 2033 and probably STALKER: Shadow of Chernobyl. If we are going purely realistic, I agree with your two picks.

When you figure out that it was just the protragonist going crazy.

I'm planning on enlisting in the National Air Guard, and then after that I use my GI bill to go back to school and then go into the proper Air Force. Maybe I'll be able to qualify for PJs by then. I also know a guy who's in an Arma platoon and their leader has PTSD. He treats it by running through the same scenarios he went through over in the Middle East, only he's with friends in a safe environment where making a mistake won't cost you your life. He uses it to replace all the negative energy with positive energy.

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. was a helluva a game. I literally started up SoC for the first time and went to go to the bandit camp and died even though I was careful. Then I learned that it doesn't autosave. I was like "What the hell! This game is bullshit! I quit!" ...and then picked it back up not even five minutes later. It was a painstaking learning process.

[Perestroikavo]

I'm planning on enlisting in the National Air Guard, and then after that I use my GI bill to go back to school and then go into the proper Air Force. Maybe I'll be able to qualify for PJs by then. I also know a guy who's in an Arma platoon and their leader has PTSD. He treats it by running through the same scenarios he went through over in the Middle East, only he's with friends in a safe environment where making a mistake won't cost you your life. He uses it to replace all the negative energy with positive energy.

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. was a helluva a game. I literally started up SoC for the first time and went to go to the bandit camp and died even though I was careful. Then I learned that it doesn't autosave. I was like "What the hell! This game is bullshit! I quit!" ...and then picked it back up not even five minutes later. It was a painstaking learning process.

My problem is, that when I go to America for college (back home taking care of my sick M-I-L) a lot of the youth seem to like shooting off those firebomb things. Firecrackers, I think their called. Those things make me jump. Scare the hell outta me. That is an interesting way to combat PTSD. I just think it would scare me more. Nothing is worse than hearing the horrible whoosing sound followed by explosions and what follows after. If you don't have to see combat, I would encourage you to enlist. (though I don't really know the benefits you guys get) I don't like many of the Air Force of Russia. A bunch of arrogant bastards if you ask me. I hope your experiance is different than mine in the armed forces.

[Monfrox]

I'm planning on enlisting in the National Air Guard, and then after that I use my GI bill to go back to school and then go into the proper Air Force. Maybe I'll be able to qualify for PJs by then. I also know a guy who's in an Arma platoon and their leader has PTSD. He treats it by running through the same scenarios he went through over in the Middle East, only he's with friends in a safe environment where making a mistake won't cost you your life. He uses it to replace all the negative energy with positive energy.

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. was a helluva a game. I literally started up SoC for the first time and went to go to the bandit camp and died even though I was careful. Then I learned that it doesn't autosave. I was like "What the hell! This game is bullshit! I quit!" ...and then picked it back up not even five minutes later. It was a painstaking learning process.

My problem is, that when I go to America for college (back home taking care of my sick M-I-L) a lot of the youth seem to like shooting off those firebomb things. Firecrackers, I think their called. Those things make me jump. Scare the hell outta me. That is an interesting way to combat PTSD. I just think it would scare me more. Nothing is worse than hearing the horrible whoosing sound followed by explosions and what follows after. If you don't have to see combat, I would encourage you to enlist. (though I don't really know the benefits you guys get) I don't like many of the Air Force of Russia. A bunch of arrogant bastards if you ask me. I hope your experiance is different than mine in the armed forces.

Yeah, pilots are arrogant SOBs most of the time. Comes with the territory I guess. And yeah, a lot of our college students would rather fuck off than actually learn.

Anyway, I'll get a post up in the IC tomorrow. Kelly's going to be slightly different, but not too much. I just wish the Super Pershing was publicly used more after WW2...

[Ulvenes]

And when I get paid I'm going to slaughter the Soviets in CoH2

CoH 2. A game that demonizes the Soviets and bows down to the mighty Nazi's who were the best and commited no war crimes and were the greatest ever! This coming from someone who has extensive time with the game. I would invest in MOWAS if I were you. MOWAS 2 if it is on sale.

Yeah well I don't like Soviets.

I've also seen plenty of videos showing that the Soviet army had some over powered things like the SU-85 being able to snipe from long distance or being able to destroy German armor in a few shots. I've even seen one bounce the shot of a Panther at point blank, and I really don't care. It's a game, and it just looks really cool to play, which is the reason why I want to play it. Not because it 'demonizes' Soviets even though I feel like they did that to themselves.

Anyway, who is that in that pic Mon?

[Wolfenium]

CoH 2. A game that demonizes the Soviets and bows down to the mighty Nazi's who were the best and commited no war crimes and were the greatest ever! This coming from someone who has extensive time with the game. I would invest in MOWAS if I were you. MOWAS 2 if it is on sale.

Yeah well I don't like Soviets.

I've also seen plenty of videos showing that the Soviet army had some over powered things like the SU-85 being able to snipe from long distance or being able to destroy German armor in a few shots. I've even seen one bounce the shot of a Panther at point blank, and I really don't care. It's a game, and it just looks really cool to play, which is the reason why I want to play it. Not because it 'demonizes' Soviets even though I feel like they did that to themselves.

Anyway, who is that in that pic Mon?

Esdeath

[Ulvenes]

That is a scurry lookin' girl.

[Wolfenium]

That is a scurry lookin' girl.

You should be.

[The Grey Wolf]

Really considering making an American mage with Kay's voice in GuP Abridged.

[Ulvenes]

That is a scurry lookin' girl.

You should be.

..A scurry lookin' girl? O.o

[Wolfenium]

You should be.

..A scurry lookin' girl? O.o

I was going to say 'scared'...

[Ulvenes]

..A scurry lookin' girl? O.o

I was going to say 'scared'...

Shoulda said that then.

[The Grey Wolf]

Application
Name: Geri Thompson
Personification of: M10 tank destroyer (a.k.a Wolverine)
Gun & Armor Description:
9 to 57.2 mm
3-inch Gun M1918
Physical Appearance (pic if possible):

Personality: a descendant of Celtic cattle thieves killing one another up and down Hadrian's Wall, and coal miners, Geri has a fatalistic position towards life, believing whatever happens will happen one way or another, there's no way around it. She is generally cheery and patriotic, believing in the USA's greatness, although having respect for the Germans as "tough no nonsense sons of bitches." George Patton's death struck her hard.
Bio: born as the third child of a (later) six children family with a deep history in the coal mining and railroad industry, Geri expected to become a miner before being conscripted into the US army and becoming a War Mage. She first saw combat in Tunisia, proving capable of knocking out most German and Italian armor, but had trouble managing in Normandy, and was eventually supplemented by the Hellcat, something she had no hard feelings over. After hearing about the War Gears catastrophe, she has been reading up, especially when she hears about the prison escape.
Etc.: (this is her voice) http://youtu.be/aLw8a-TfLwc?t=3m11s

[Nature-Spirits]

Celtic cattle thieves killing one another up and down Hadrian's Wall

Love those guys. :3 Border is Love, Border is Life.