The Last Civilization - OOC/Signups

[Akksum]

Eh, still pretty OP. I'd happily trade industry for culture, and then we're just taking the same Ag/Religion trade.

Then maybe have -2 agriculture -1 Industry +1 culture?

How about -1 Prosperity, -1 Agriculture, -1 Industry +1 culture, And a major religion?

[Jute]

Then maybe have -2 agriculture -1 Industry +1 culture?

How about -1 Prosperity, -1 Agriculture, -1 Industry +1 culture, And a major religion?

Sounds good. As long as the nonsensical -2 science is out...

[Akksum]

How about -1 Prosperity, -1 Agriculture, -1 Industry +1 culture, And a major religion?

Sounds good. As long as the nonsensical -2 science is out...

yeah the science was ok NOW YOUR FU**ED

[Harkback Union]

Yes, but Now that I think of it, Thats OP. Gonna make it -1 Agricult, -2 Science

Religion makes science go down? That doesn't make sense, since philosophy and science mostly derive from religion. (Think for example the Babylonians and Mayas with their calendar and astronomy - especially the Mayas were driven by their religion)
And why should it give you an army point?
How about -1 agriculture -1 Industry +1 culture, free religion?

On the contrary. The calendar and astronomy was derived from pure science.

[Akksum]

Religion makes science go down? That doesn't make sense, since philosophy and science mostly derive from religion. (Think for example the Babylonians and Mayas with their calendar and astronomy - especially the Mayas were driven by their religion)
And why should it give you an army point?
How about -1 agriculture -1 Industry +1 culture, free religion?

On the contrary. The calendar and astronomy was derived from pure science.

BUT, mainly because of their religion. The gods knew end of days! Man THE END OF DAYS!

[Harkback Union]

On the contrary. The calendar and astronomy was derived from pure science.

BUT, mainly because of their religion.

But imagine all the science they could have had if they didn't kill all the people who didn't agree with their doctrines.

[Jute]

Religion makes science go down? That doesn't make sense, since philosophy and science mostly derive from religion. (Think for example the Babylonians and Mayas with their calendar and astronomy - especially the Mayas were driven by their religion)
And why should it give you an army point?
How about -1 agriculture -1 Industry +1 culture, free religion?

On the contrary. The calendar and astronomy was derived from pure science.

Which came to be why? Because they needed a calendar to determine the date of their religious festivities. Religion inspired art like almost nothing else, too and was the foundation of philosophy, which in turn was the foundation for the modern natural sciences.

[Seno Zhou Varada]

On the contrary. The calendar and astronomy was derived from pure science.

Which came to be why? Because they needed a calendar to determine the date of their religious festivities. Religion inspired art like almost nothing else, too and was the foundation of philosophy, which in turn was the foundation for the modern natural sciences.

Also when to exactly harvest their food.

[Jute]

BUT, mainly because of their religion.

But imagine all the science they could have had if they didn't kill all the people who didn't agree with their doctrines.

Religion doesn't inherently mean killing those who don't believe the same, are you some kind of generalizing antitheist? Only Islam and Christianity are looking to convert the worlds, and most religions are peaceful, including Islam and Christianity.
As I had feared, you confused "religion" and "extremism" (or "fundamentalism"), The Islamic world was the pinnacle of science in the Middle Ages, not despite, but actually (partly, at least) because of their religion.
The Catholic Church and the Islamic World kept the records of ancient philosophers, who else would've gotten lost in the attacks of Barbarians after the Fall of Rome, making the Renaissance possible in the first place. They were not the reason the Dark Ages came to be, they were one of the lights in the dark age.

Which came to be why? Because they needed a calendar to determine the date of their religious festivities. Religion inspired art like almost nothing else, too and was the foundation of philosophy, which in turn was the foundation for the modern natural sciences.

Also when to exactly harvest their food.

Emphasis on "also".

[Harkback Union]

On the contrary. The calendar and astronomy was derived from pure science.

Which came to be why? Because they needed a calendar to determine the date of their religious festivities. Religion inspired art like almost nothing else, too and was the foundation of philosophy, which in turn was the foundation for the modern natural sciences.

You cannot Dream of things you can't imagine.
Before the invention of calendar, people had no concept of "date". They gazed the skies, making observations, they then made theories to explain their observations. These theories were most of the time untestable, so people argued a lot over them. They then killed each other until everyone could agree on which theory is right. These theories then hindered the advance of science for millenias. The few People who dared to came up with new Ideas were segregated, tortured or killed. The few fields of science religion didn't completely hinder the advance of (Astro(lo)nomy, mathematics, mechanical science) did very slowly develop things like calendars and windmills, but none of that was thanks to religion. The Mayan Priests didn't go about "Lets invent calendar" because they didn't know such thing could exist in the first place. Religion was only really useful in giving people a reason as to why not to kill every people who passes by them, allowing some civilizations to develop.

By default, Everyone can have religion. Major Religion means you can have like... Islam size religion, instead of Mormon Size, but this will also hurt science on the long run as more influential church means more scientists burned alive.

[Akksum]

Akksum treasury 50 years ago: 5,000

Akksum treasury present: 0

[Akksum]

EGYPT, PREPARE FOR AKKSUM TO FIND THO! XD, we shall has loves, and trades...

[Seno Zhou Varada]

Which came to be why? Because they needed a calendar to determine the date of their religious festivities. Religion inspired art like almost nothing else, too and was the foundation of philosophy, which in turn was the foundation for the modern natural sciences.

You cannot Dream of things you can't imagine.
Before the invention of calendar, people had no concept of "date". They gazed the skies, making observations, they then made theories to explain their observations. These theories were most of the time untestable, so people argued a lot over them. They then killed each other until everyone could agree on which theory is right. These theories then hindered the advance of science for millenias. The few People who dared to came up with new Ideas were segregated, tortured or killed. The few fields of science religion didn't completely hinder the advance of (Astro(lo)nomy, mathematics, mechanical science) did very slowly develop things like calendars and windmills, but none of that was thanks to religion. The Mayan Priests didn't go about "Lets invent calendar" because they didn't know such thing could exist in the first place. Religion was only really useful in giving people a reason as to why not to kill every people who passes by them, allowing some civilizations to develop.

By default, Everyone can have religion. Major Religion means you can have like... Islam size religion, instead of Mormon Size, but this will also hurt science on the long run as more influential church means more scientists burned alive.

Simple fix: Burn the Church alive

[Jute]

Which came to be why? Because they needed a calendar to determine the date of their religious festivities. Religion inspired art like almost nothing else, too and was the foundation of philosophy, which in turn was the foundation for the modern natural sciences.

You cannot Dream of things you can't imagine.
Before the invention of calendar, people had no concept of "date". They gazed the skies, making observations, they then made theories to explain their observations. These theories were most of the time untestable, so people argued a lot over them. They then killed each other until everyone could agree on which theory is right. These theories then hindered the advance of science for millenias. The few People who dared to came up with new Ideas were segregated, tortured or killed. The few fields of science religion didn't completely hinder the advance of (Astro(lo)nomy, mathematics, mechanical science) did very slowly develop things like calendars and windmills, but none of that was thanks to religion. The Mayan Priests didn't go about "Lets invent calendar" because they didn't know such thing could exist in the first place. Religion was only really useful in giving people a reason as to why not to kill every people who passes by them, allowing some civilizations to develop.

By default, Everyone can have religion. Major Religion means you can have like... Islam size religion, instead of Mormon Size, but this will also hurt science on the long run as more influential church means more scientists burned alive.

I disagree entirely and also ask you to prove your claims, but it's too late for me to discuss. Religion laid the foundation for the sciences, and I never heard of it "hindering the advance of science for millennia". Again, please prove that.
Also, religion still doesn't have "burning heretics/scientists" alive inherently. In fact, not even Galileo was burned, and if I remember correctly, the burnings originated because of public pressure and the church eventually gave in. And that was only Christianity. There are other religions, too, which didn't have that. Think Buddhism (They have extremists now, too, but that's not limited to religion, it's universal to bigger groups of people)

[G-Tech Corporation]

We're at day 8?

[Akksum]

We're at day 8?

I don't know.

[Akksum]

Time to conquer Bagghar, and open a sea route with Egypt. Welcome the emerald horde, give them food, and clothing for their journey. Than continue to sail, and finds peoples.

[Rygondria]

Time to conquer Bagghar, and open a sea route with Egypt. Welcome the emerald horde, give them food, and clothing for their journey. Than continue to sail, and finds peoples.

Are you sure you want to give a barbarian horde supplies? it may come back to haunt you later.

[Akksum]

Time to conquer Bagghar, and open a sea route with Egypt. Welcome the emerald horde, give them food, and clothing for their journey. Than continue to sail, and finds peoples.

Are you sure you want to give a barbarian horde supplies? it may come back to haunt you later.

Well, we allow anyone. We're culture accepting, you may not like us but we will accept you with open arms. If you try to fight us, we fight back with more force.

[Rygondria]

Are you sure you want to give a barbarian horde supplies? it may come back to haunt you later.

Well, we allow anyone. We're culture accepting, you may not like us but we will accept you with open arms. If you try to fight us, we fight back with more force.

Eh i will leave you alone

[Akksum]

Well, we allow anyone. We're culture accepting, you may not like us but we will accept you with open arms. If you try to fight us, we fight back with more force.

Eh i will leave you alone

Pass through our lands, you can buy stuffs for weaponry. , we will gives chu foods.

[Rygondria]

Eh i will leave you alone

Pass through our lands, you can buy stuffs for weaponry. , we will gives chu foods.

Then we go on to steal the land of some one else.

[Akksum]

Pass through our lands, you can buy stuffs for weaponry. , we will gives chu foods.

Then we go on to steal the land of some one else.

Otah, you will be give foods for weapons, or monies.

[Jute]

So can we have a neutral religion mechanism, like implemented in the actual Civilization game series? Maybe have an optional seventh score category?
Religion has often been the driving force behind good as well as bad intentions in humans, but it is in itself not worse than politics for example.

[Akksum]

So can we have a neutral religion mechanism, like implemented in the actual Civilization game series? Maybe have an optional seventh score category?
Religion has often been the driving force behind good as well as bad intentions in humans, but it is in itself not worse than politics for example.

Any religions are allowed here in Akksum.
we're 'murica but monarchy.