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[Seno Zhou Varada]

So G-Tech what shall we do next if peace is not reached?

Hey! That's no way to talk at this stage in the game!

Of course it is.

Erm, I basically did that Espionage as soon as I decided I would intervene, before the launching of my fleet to Siochana. That's before the war in terms of my involvement.



Oh not badly; perhaps a 5. His offensive armies were fairly trounced and turned back, but the invasion of his territory has barely begun, with a few minor coastal settlements and a fortress having been conquered.

Ah. In that case, perhaps the terms may be a bit excessive. For that kind of score penalty, you may have to go up to probably around 15. In order to avoid these unnecessary casualties, perhaps drop the annexation of Leon and stick with score penalties.

If we leave Leon then he'll have a staging point as it's easier to go through land then carry men across water. One can be stopped much easier.

[Seno Zhou Varada]

Erm, I basically did that Espionage as soon as I decided I would intervene, before the launching of my fleet to Siochana. That's before the war in terms of my involvement.



Oh not badly; perhaps a 5. His offensive armies were fairly trounced and turned back, but the invasion of his territory has barely begun, with a few minor coastal settlements and a fortress having been conquered.

You sure didn't rp it plus remember I needed to have 4 navy more not 3 navy. And I Rped constructing a naval dockyard in cretzia so I can send warships from there.

You could but we can also conquer it.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Ah. In that case, perhaps the terms may be a bit excessive. For that kind of score penalty, you may have to go up to probably around 15. In order to avoid these unnecessary casualties, perhaps drop the annexation of Leon and stick with score penalties.

To clarify; Levis asked for terms, given he thinks this war is lost. I offered the terms you see in the context of our ability to invade and bring ruin to his heartland. I'm honestly open to negotiation as far as the annexation, since I see little benefit to it, but having fortresses of the Arceans right next to Siochana is a thing that won't be acceptable.

You sure didn't rp it plus remember I needed to have 4 navy more not 3 navy. And I Rped constructing a naval dockyard in cretzia so I can send warships from there.

Ah, that's not quite how Espionage works. I could, theoretically, use one Espionage to gain one in a different category; Espionage is simply capable of stealing up to four score. It does not require four score to exist, so stealing three seemed like a reasonable exchange at the time.

Sure, you can send ships from Cretzia. But every ship you send away is one which can't participate in naval engagements in your colonies or around Leon.

[Harkback Union]

Yes but a bit too late for that right? Leon has been under Arcean rule for millennia meaning their identity is very Arcean. They eat Arcean food speak Arcean, have Arcean beliefs ,and have entertainment that's only found in Arcea (Football) etc. Plus their ruled by democracy they see new zyras ways has bizarre.

Hmm, I suppose that's a fair point. Even so, the presence of Arceans on the mainland means you can have a land staging point for further wars with New Zyras, which as was just demonstrated Arcea is prone to do. Removing that terrestrial foothold raises the bar for Arcean military operations high enough as to hopefully make them no longer feasible.

We'll be supporting arcea's defencive war with our industry, making them weapons and ships.

Ah, and again; you'll be sending said ships and weapons across the entire continent at cost for some civilization you barely know? I mean, by all means, but that's rather poor business practice. Your industry will essentially be pouring resources into a nation that can't pay for them, for a cause that benefits the Harkback in no material way. Are you just going to order private enterprise to send them goods?

I will happily help him ship his troops and send resources has well if he wants.

Addendum to my doubt as to Hark's ability to ship troops across the world; I certainly doubt Arcea has either the ships nor the money to fund expeditions to bring troops from Harkback to Arcea. Unless you want to rip the heart out of your war effort, that is. Moving ships to go on such a large expedition will allow the Alliance's fleets to easily interdict any cross-channel traffic, isolating your settlements on the Continent from Arcea entirely. The war is basically over at that point.

I realize I'm not exactly involved in this, but as a 3rd party, perhaps a compromise could be negotiated?

I'd certainly be open to compromise, as long as the compromise fulfills the Alliance's wargoal of removing the Empire's ability for aggression.

Once Reinci finally posts, I shall explain what happened in Zadox. Then everything should be clear.

[The Almighty Bob]

Hey! That's no way to talk at this stage in the game!

Of course it is.

Ah. In that case, perhaps the terms may be a bit excessive. For that kind of score penalty, you may have to go up to probably around 15. In order to avoid these unnecessary casualties, perhaps drop the annexation of Leon and stick with score penalties.

If we leave Leon then he'll have a staging point as it's easier to go through land then carry men across water. One can be stopped much easier.

In that case, I'm reviewing the terms right now, and I think your best shot would probably be to drop the second one (espionage decrease). Honestly, it depends on how high the score is right now. Levis, what's your espionage score?

@G-Tech: I see, that's interesting. Levis, would you perhaps provide a counter-offer?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Once Reinci finally posts, I shall explain what happened in Zadox. Then everything should be clear.

Ah, a union in the offing then?

[Harkback Union]

Once Reinci finally posts, I shall explain what happened in Zadox. Then everything should be clear.

Ah, a union in the offing then?

Its.. complicated.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Ah, a union in the offing then?

Its.. complicated.

Sounds like a plotline to watch then.

[The Almighty Bob]

Of course it is.

If we leave Leon then he'll have a staging point as it's easier to go through land then carry men across water. One can be stopped much easier.

In that case, I'm reviewing the terms right now, and I think your best shot would probably be to drop the second one (espionage decrease). Honestly, it depends on how high the score is right now. Levis, what's your espionage score?

@G-Tech: I see, that's interesting. Levis, would you perhaps provide a counter-offer?

Well, I'm not very patient, so until Levis responds, go wild. Don't hurt yourselves, you crazy kids.

[Levis Avara]

In that case, I'm reviewing the terms right now, and I think your best shot would probably be to drop the second one (espionage decrease). Honestly, it depends on how high the score is right now. Levis, what's your espionage score?

@G-Tech: I see, that's interesting. Levis, would you perhaps provide a counter-offer?

Well, I'm not very patient, so until Levis responds, go wild. Don't hurt yourselves, you crazy kids.

Look I just don't want to lose any of my navy score if it can be worked out like that then I'm in.

[Levis Avara]

Ah. In that case, perhaps the terms may be a bit excessive. For that kind of score penalty, you may have to go up to probably around 15. In order to avoid these unnecessary casualties, perhaps drop the annexation of Leon and stick with score penalties.

To clarify; Levis asked for terms, given he thinks this war is lost. I offered the terms you see in the context of our ability to invade and bring ruin to his heartland. I'm honestly open to negotiation as far as the annexation, since I see little benefit to it, but having fortresses of the Arceans right next to Siochana is a thing that won't be acceptable.

You sure didn't rp it plus remember I needed to have 4 navy more not 3 navy. And I Rped constructing a naval dockyard in cretzia so I can send warships from there.

Ah, that's not quite how Espionage works. I could, theoretically, use one Espionage to gain one in a different category; Espionage is simply capable of stealing up to four score. It does not require four score to exist, so stealing three seemed like a reasonable exchange at the time.

Sure, you can send ships from Cretzia. But every ship you send away is one which can't participate in naval engagements in your colonies or around Leon.

Yes but you must rp it I'm sure.

[The Almighty Bob]

Well, I'm not very patient, so until Levis responds, go wild. Don't hurt yourselves, you crazy kids.

Look I just don't want to lose any of my navy score if it can be worked out like that then I'm in.

None might be a stretch, as that seems to be the primary goal of this war now. But I'm on your side here. I can probably argue this down a little bit. What's the minimum loss you'd be willing to accept?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Well, I'm not very patient, so until Levis responds, go wild. Don't hurt yourselves, you crazy kids.

Look I just don't want to lose any of my navy score if it can be worked out like that then I'm in.

The trouble is that your navy is the largest threat to New Zyras. If it is removed, you won't be able to move an army to the Continent to attack him. If it isn't, it'll be easy for Arcea to attack him regardless of continental holdings or espionage scores.

Think of it like how the Allies limited Germany's battleship count after WWI.

[Levis Avara]

Look I just don't want to lose any of my navy score if it can be worked out like that then I'm in.

The trouble is that your navy is the largest threat to New Zyras. If it is removed, you won't be able to move an army to the Continent to attack him. If it isn't, it'll be easy for Arcea to attack him regardless of continental holdings or espionage scores.

Think of it like how the Allies limited Germany's battleship count after WWI.

Yes and look how that turned out must I say anything more? (Cough.. WW2..Cough) Maybe 2 is good enough but not losing score just giving a few ships Also fyi I'm not Germany

[The Almighty Bob]

The trouble is that your navy is the largest threat to New Zyras. If it is removed, you won't be able to move an army to the Continent to attack him. If it isn't, it'll be easy for Arcea to attack him regardless of continental holdings or espionage scores.

Think of it like how the Allies limited Germany's battleship count after WWI.

Yes and look how that turned out must I say anything more? (Cough.. WW2..Cough) Maybe 2 is good enough but not losing score just giving a few ships Also fyi I'm not Germany

Is taking 2 navy score and Leon acceptable, G-Tech?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Yes and look how that turned out must I say anything more? (Cough.. WW2..Cough) Maybe 2 is good enough but not losing score just giving a few ships Also fyi I'm not Germany

The reason that failed is because the treaty failed to be upheld past the fact; we won't make that mistake.

Is taking 2 navy score and Leon acceptable, G-Tech?

Mm, I'd be more open to, say, Leon losing its eastern and southern portions, provisio two being maintained, and Arcea losing two Navy score while giving the alliance two navy score. Mind you though, I'm not sure Arcea has 15 Navy; the Admiralty only increases the score by 3, so technically Arcea has 13 Navy score. If it will drop that navy to 11 while giving the allies enough ships to hit 12, I could accept that as a fair compromise.

[The Almighty Bob]

Yes and look how that turned out must I say anything more? (Cough.. WW2..Cough) Maybe 2 is good enough but not losing score just giving a few ships Also fyi I'm not Germany

The reason that failed is because the treaty failed to be upheld past the fact; we won't make that mistake.

Is taking 2 navy score and Leon acceptable, G-Tech?

Mm, I'd be more open to, say, Leon losing its eastern and southern portions, provisio two being maintained, and Arcea losing two Navy score while giving the alliance two navy score. Mind you though, I'm not sure Arcea has 15 Navy; the Admiralty only increases the score by 3, so technically Arcea has 13 Navy score. If it will drop that navy to 11 while giving the allies enough ships to hit 12, I could accept that as a fair compromise.

Levis, counteroffer?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Levis, counteroffer?

I'd alternatively consider something analogous to the Washington Naval Treaty.

[The Almighty Bob]

Levis, counteroffer?

I'd alternatively consider something analogous to the Washington Naval Treaty.

I don't know what that is and I'm too busy watching the StarCraft II Finals to Wikipedia it.

[G-Tech Corporation]

I'd alternatively consider something analogous to the Washington Naval Treaty.

I don't know what that is and I'm too busy watching the StarCraft II Finals to Wikipedia it.

Basically a naval arms treaty; IRL it dealt with battleships, but here we can call it ships period. It limits signatories to agreed naval ratios, and breaking it could be considered a prelude to war. So for every three ships I build, Levis would be able to build, say, two, but no more without violating the treaty. Regular reciprocity in terms of inspections would take place to ensure the treaty terms were fulfilled.

Good watch? I saw some earlier, and there were some good rounds.

[Harkback Union]

Noooooo arcea. Don't take any offer that cuts back your navy. Just hang in there the harkback will soon be there to help.

OH SHIT I FORGOT ABOUT THE FINALS AGAIN!

[The Almighty Bob]

I don't know what that is and I'm too busy watching the StarCraft II Finals to Wikipedia it.

Basically a naval arms treaty; IRL it dealt with battleships, but here we can call it ships period. It limits signatories to agreed naval ratios, and breaking it could be considered a prelude to war. So for every three ships I build, Levis would be able to build, say, two, but no more without violating the treaty. Regular reciprocity in terms of inspections would take place to ensure the treaty terms were fulfilled.

Good watch? I saw some earlier, and there were some good rounds.

Interesting idea. The finals are very exciting, Life (Zerg) is up 2 games right now.

[Seno Zhou Varada]

Noooooo arcea. Don't take any offer that cuts back your navy. Just hang in there the harkback will soon be there to help.

OH SHIT I FORGOT ABOUT THE FINALS AGAIN!

Hey remember Ameralites big scary score. These words BIG SCARY SCORE or BSS

I wish I could have had a cool acronym like POOP (people order our patties)

[G-Tech Corporation]

Noooooo arcea. Don't take any offer that cuts back your navy. Just hang in there the harkback will soon be there to help.

OH SHIT I FORGOT ABOUT THE FINALS AGAIN!

Just one thing I thought about Hark; shouldn't Navy score relate to tactics and skill of use, not size? I mean, Army works that way, and size should really be based off more Industry with a side of agriculture.

On a different note though, what am I facing in terms of your Navy score?

Interesting idea. The finals are very exciting, Life (Zerg) is up 2 games right now.

MMA's play is nice; I enjoy him as a gamer.

[Harkback Union]

Noooooo arcea. Don't take any offer that cuts back your navy. Just hang in there the harkback will soon be there to help.

OH SHIT I FORGOT ABOUT THE FINALS AGAIN!

Hey remember Ameralites big scary score. These words BIG SCARY SCORE or BSS

I wish I could have had a cool acronym like POOP (people order our patties)

Yeah well we're gonna need some more civs to join the war. Actually yeah, Navy is more dependent on Industry and agricult. Gonna change that asap.