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[Harkback Union]

These terms are simply unacceptable how can I agree to them? Now your looking like the bad guys in this situation. I'm giving Leon to you that should be enough. We want peace more than anything and yet your wanting more war ,death and , destruction enough is enough.

This is war. If you refuse those terms we'll get more leverage causing more death you could have prevented. This is really your fault we're just making sure this doesn't happen again with reasonable demands.

The harkback shall soon join in. I hope Goffsill won't be to upset about me fighting on Arcea's side though.

Also harkback not selling raw materials. Its not profitable enough.

[Levis Avara]

These terms are simply unacceptable how can I agree to them? Now your looking like the bad guys in this situation. I'm giving Leon to you that should be enough. We want peace more than anything and yet your wanting more war ,death and , destruction enough is enough.

This is war. If you refuse those terms we'll get more leverage causing more death you could have prevented. This is really your fault we're just making sure this doesn't happen again with reasonable demands.

Your troops are dying too plus yes war is war and the same argument can be used against you has well this could've ended years ago and yet your insane ruler is still screaming for more blood. This conflict was born of bad diplomacy not willful conquering.

[G-Tech Corporation]

This is war. If you refuse those terms we'll get more leverage causing more death you could have prevented. This is really your fault we're just making sure this doesn't happen again with reasonable demands.

The harkback shall soon join in. I hope Goffsill won't be to upset about me fighting on Arcea's side though.

Also harkback not selling raw materials. Its not profitable enough.

You're going to ship an army across the entire length of a continent and try to wage war? Do you get additional attrition negatives for fighting a world away?

Oh, so you don't have natural resources to trade. Your call, I suppose.

[Levis Avara]

These terms are simply unacceptable how can I agree to them? Now your looking like the bad guys in this situation. I'm giving Leon to you that should be it. We want peace more than anything and yet your wanting more war ,death and , destruction enough is enough.

The way I see it, Leon will be freed from its ancient conquerors, and the originator of the conflict will have their ability to provoke another war essentially neutered. The Alliance would be fools to let you go while leaving the Arcean Empire able to start a more dangerous conflict whenever they wished. This is a war to stop future wars; therefore if the peace treaty achieves that, well and good. If it cannot, there can be no peace.

We have some oil from a nearby marsh we use to illuminate the cities. Zadox also has strong paper, textile and Machine industry but most of it is used up locally or traded with Goffsill.

Hmm. I'm talking more natural resources; paper isn't easy to trade, and textiles are naturally produced in the south. Perhaps you have something you could trade for spices and silks?

Yes but a bit too late for that right? Leon has been under Arcean rule for millennia meaning their identity is very Arcean. They eat Arcean food speak Arcean, have Arcean beliefs ,and have entertainment that's only found in Arcea (Football) etc. Plus their ruled by a democracy they"ll see new zyras ways has bizarre.

[Harkback Union]

The harkback shall soon join in. I hope Goffsill won't be to upset about me fighting on Arcea's side though.

Also harkback not selling raw materials. Its not profitable enough.

You're going to ship an army across the entire length of a continent and try to wage war? Do you get additional attrition negatives for fighting a world away?

Oh, so you don't have natural resources to trade. Your call, I suppose.

We'll be supporting arcea's defencive war with our industry, making them weapons and ships.

[Levis Avara]

The harkback shall soon join in. I hope Goffsill won't be to upset about me fighting on Arcea's side though.

Also harkback not selling raw materials. Its not profitable enough.

You're going to ship an army across the entire length of a continent and try to wage war? Do you get additional attrition negatives for fighting a world away?

Oh, so you don't have natural resources to trade. Your call, I suppose.

I will happily help him ship his troops and send resources has well if he wants.

[The Almighty Bob]

You're going to ship an army across the entire length of a continent and try to wage war? Do you get additional attrition negatives for fighting a world away?

Oh, so you don't have natural resources to trade. Your call, I suppose.

We'll be supporting arcea's defencive war with our industry, making them weapons and ships.

I realize I'm not exactly involved in this, but as a 3rd party, perhaps a compromise could be negotiated?

[New Fraulasia]

There's an idea! Gygax can be set up as a third party, I like it.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Yes but a bit too late for that right? Leon has been under Arcean rule for millennia meaning their identity is very Arcean. They eat Arcean food speak Arcean, have Arcean beliefs ,and have entertainment that's only found in Arcea (Football) etc. Plus their ruled by democracy they see new zyras ways has bizarre.

Hmm, I suppose that's a fair point. Even so, the presence of Arceans on the mainland means you can have a land staging point for further wars with New Zyras, which as was just demonstrated Arcea is prone to do. Removing that terrestrial foothold raises the bar for Arcean military operations high enough as to hopefully make them no longer feasible.

We'll be supporting arcea's defencive war with our industry, making them weapons and ships.

Ah, and again; you'll be sending said ships and weapons across the entire continent at cost for some civilization you barely know? I mean, by all means, but that's rather poor business practice. Your industry will essentially be pouring resources into a nation that can't pay for them, for a cause that benefits the Harkback in no material way. Are you just going to order private enterprise to send them goods?

I will happily help him ship his troops and send resources has well if he wants.

Addendum to my doubt as to Hark's ability to ship troops across the world; I certainly doubt Arcea has either the ships nor the money to fund expeditions to bring troops from Harkback to Arcea. Unless you want to rip the heart out of your war effort, that is. Moving ships to go on such a large expedition will allow the Alliance's fleets to easily interdict any cross-channel traffic, isolating your settlements on the Continent from Arcea entirely. The war is basically over at that point.

We'll be supporting arcea's defencive war with our industry, making them weapons and ships.

I realize I'm not exactly involved in this, but as a 3rd party, perhaps a compromise could be negotiated?

I'd certainly be open to compromise, as long as the compromise fulfills the Alliance's wargoal of removing the Empire's ability for aggression.

[Seno Zhou Varada]

The way I see it, Leon will be freed from its ancient conquerors, and the originator of the conflict will have their ability to provoke another war essentially neutered. The Alliance would be fools to let you go while leaving the Arcean Empire able to start a more dangerous conflict whenever they wished. This is a war to stop future wars; therefore if the peace treaty achieves that, well and good. If it cannot, there can be no peace.



Hmm. I'm talking more natural resources; paper isn't easy to trade, and textiles are naturally produced in the south. Perhaps you have something you could trade for spices and silks?

Yes but a bit too late for that right? Leon has been under Arcean rule for millennia meaning their identity is very Arcean. They eat Arcean food speak Arcean, have Arcean beliefs ,and have entertainment that's only found in Arcea (Football) etc. Plus their ruled by a democracy they"ll see new zyras ways has bizarre.

You haven't read up I see. We are a council, the royal blood line is honored but not put in any ruling position unless the majority of people wish for them to be on the council.

[Seno Zhou Varada]

This is war. If you refuse those terms we'll get more leverage causing more death you could have prevented. This is really your fault we're just making sure this doesn't happen again with reasonable demands.

Your troops are dying too plus yes war is war and the same argument can be used against you has well this could've ended years ago and yet your insane ruler is still screaming for more blood. This conflict was born of bad diplomacy not willful conquering.

Insane? More revenge wanting for those taken from their homeland. And I believe your insane leader(s) decided to attack.

Oh crap no....


'Then the fire nation attacked'

[The Almighty Bob]

So, If you guys don't mind, I'll just see if I can clear this up. G-Tech and Seno attacked Levis (who Hark is about to support?) and Levis is losing. G-Tech has proposed some (pretty damn harsh) terms in order to slow the military growth of Levis's civ. Levis denies these terms. I, Gygax, wish that all conflicts be ceased when possible, so I suggest that the unacceptable terms be revised but not eliminated. For example, the amount of navy score that Levis loses is halved.

[G-Tech Corporation]

So, If you guys don't mind, I'll just see if I can clear this up. G-Tech and Seno attacked Levis (who Hark is about to support?) and Levis is losing. G-Tech has proposed some (pretty damn harsh) terms in order to slow the military growth of Levis's civ. Levis denies these terms. I, Gygax, wish that all conflicts be ceased when possible, so I suggest that the unacceptable terms be revised but not eliminated. For example, the amount of navy score that Levis loses is halved.

A bit off there; Levis attacked Seno's civ. I only intervened when Levis looked set to take both of Seno's main cities. Now Seno and I are trying to curtail Levis ability to wage war to prevent any future conflicts; the terms are agreed between Seno and I, not merely imposed by me. The demands are not harsh in the context of a desire to make Levis unable to trounce New Zyras as thoroughly as he did at the start of the conflict.

[Seno Zhou Varada]

So, If you guys don't mind, I'll just see if I can clear this up. G-Tech and Seno attacked Levis (who Hark is about to support?) and Levis is losing. G-Tech has proposed some (pretty damn harsh) terms in order to slow the military growth of Levis's civ. Levis denies these terms. I, Gygax, wish that all conflicts be ceased when possible, so I suggest that the unacceptable terms be revised but not eliminated. For example, the amount of navy score that Levis loses is halved.

Wrong.

Levis attacked me. G-Tech saves Siochanna and we become besties (union). We push an offensive and Levis is losing. Me and G-Tech talk about peace terms and decide this is the best course of action for preventing a future attack.

Wait WW1 is whispering to me... ignore it better RP this way.

[Levis Avara]

Yes but a bit too late for that right? Leon has been under Arcean rule for millennia meaning their identity is very Arcean. They eat Arcean food speak Arcean, have Arcean beliefs ,and have entertainment that's only found in Arcea (Football) etc. Plus their ruled by democracy they see new zyras ways has bizarre.

Hmm, I suppose that's a fair point. Even so, the presence of Arceans on the mainland means you can have a land staging point for further wars with New Zyras, which as was just demonstrated Arcea is prone to do. Removing that terrestrial foothold raises the bar for Arcean military operations high enough as to hopefully make them no longer feasible.

We'll be supporting arcea's defencive war with our industry, making them weapons and ships.

Ah, and again; you'll be sending said ships and weapons across the entire continent at cost for some civilization you barely know? I mean, by all means, but that's rather poor business practice. Your industry will essentially be pouring resources into a nation that can't pay for them, for a cause that benefits the Harkback in no material way. Are you just going to order private enterprise to send them goods?

I will happily help him ship his troops and send resources has well if he wants.

Addendum to my doubt as to Hark's ability to ship troops across the world; I certainly doubt Arcea has either the ships nor the money to fund expeditions to bring troops from Harkback to Arcea. Unless you want to rip the heart out of your war effort, that is. Moving ships to go on such a large expedition will allow the Alliance's fleets to easily interdict any cross-channel traffic, isolating your settlements on the Continent from Arcea entirely. The war is basically over at that point.

I realize I'm not exactly involved in this, but as a 3rd party, perhaps a compromise could be negotiated?

I'd certainly be open to compromise, as long as the compromise fulfills the Alliance's wargoal of removing the Empire's ability for aggression.

I have ships in chenglei and cretzia has well they can be sent from there. Also in this war your navy is 7 right? Yeah you can't have your navy every where.

[The Almighty Bob]

So, If you guys don't mind, I'll just see if I can clear this up. G-Tech and Seno attacked Levis (who Hark is about to support?) and Levis is losing. G-Tech has proposed some (pretty damn harsh) terms in order to slow the military growth of Levis's civ. Levis denies these terms. I, Gygax, wish that all conflicts be ceased when possible, so I suggest that the unacceptable terms be revised but not eliminated. For example, the amount of navy score that Levis loses is halved.

A bit off there; Levis attacked Seno's civ. I only intervened when Levis looked set to take both of Seno's main cities. Now Seno and I are trying to curtail Levis ability to wage war to prevent any future conflicts; the terms are agreed between Seno and I, not merely imposed by me. The demands are not harsh in the context of a desire to make Levis unable to trounce New Zyras as thoroughly as he did at the start of the conflict.

Right. I thought Levis said it was a defensive war at some point, but I must have misread.
So, Levis attacks Seno, G-Tech joins because you're in a union and don't want Seno to be completely annihilated, and, understandably, you are attempting to shut down a perhaps slightly overzealous Levis. However, am I correct in that your involvement has turned the tide of the war in Seno's favor?

[G-Tech Corporation]

I have ships in chenglei and cretzia has well they can be sent from there. Also in this war your navy is 7 right? Yeah you can't have your navy every where.

10, actually. As high as yours, prior to your Admiralty building, which doesn't factor into this conflict. So, essentially, if you strip ships from your fleet near Orion, Zyras and I will have you even more throughly outgunned. I'm certain I can spare some cutters to sink slow cargo ships, even in the face of some escorts.

Right. I thought Levis said it was a defensive war at some point, but I must have misread.
So, Levis attacks Seno, G-Tech joins because you're in a union and don't want Seno to be completely annihilated, and, understandably, you are attempting to shut down a perhaps slightly overzealous Levis. However, am I correct in that your involvement has turned the tide of the war in Seno's favor?

Ah, yes, it is currently a defensive war for Levis because we managed to defend Seno and turn back Arcea's forces; now Levis has been forced on the defense as we seek to invade his holdings and bring the Arcean Empire to terms.

[Seno Zhou Varada]

A bit off there; Levis attacked Seno's civ. I only intervened when Levis looked set to take both of Seno's main cities. Now Seno and I are trying to curtail Levis ability to wage war to prevent any future conflicts; the terms are agreed between Seno and I, not merely imposed by me. The demands are not harsh in the context of a desire to make Levis unable to trounce New Zyras as thoroughly as he did at the start of the conflict.

Right. I thought Levis said it was a defensive war at some point, but I must have misread.
So, Levis attacks Seno, G-Tech joins because you're in a union and don't want Seno to be completely annihilated, and, understandably, you are attempting to shut down a perhaps slightly overzealous Levis. However, am I correct in that your involvement has turned the tide of the war in Seno's favor?

Well G-Tech is a powerful player in this game so yeah...

[Levis Avara]

I have ships in chenglei and cretzia has well they can be sent from there. Also in this war your navy is 7 right? Yeah you can't have your navy every where.

10, actually. As high as yours, prior to your Admiralty building, which doesn't factor into this conflict. So, essentially, if you strip ships from your fleet near Orion, Zyras and I will have you even more throughly outgunned. I'm certain I can spare some cutters to sink slow cargo ships, even in the face of some escorts.

Right. I thought Levis said it was a defensive war at some point, but I must have misread.
So, Levis attacks Seno, G-Tech joins because you're in a union and don't want Seno to be completely annihilated, and, understandably, you are attempting to shut down a perhaps slightly overzealous Levis. However, am I correct in that your involvement has turned the tide of the war in Seno's favor?

Ah, yes, it is currently a defensive war for Levis because we managed to defend Seno and turn back Arcea's forces; now Levis has been forced on the defense as we seek to invade his holdings and bring the Arcean Empire to terms.

No you had 7 navy when you invaded. You got to ten in the future events after the war

[The Almighty Bob]

I have ships in chenglei and cretzia has well they can be sent from there. Also in this war your navy is 7 right? Yeah you can't have your navy every where.

10, actually. As high as yours, prior to your Admiralty building, which doesn't factor into this conflict. So, essentially, if you strip ships from your fleet near Orion, Zyras and I will have you even more throughly outgunned. I'm certain I can spare some cutters to sink slow cargo ships, even in the face of some escorts.

Right. I thought Levis said it was a defensive war at some point, but I must have misread.
So, Levis attacks Seno, G-Tech joins because you're in a union and don't want Seno to be completely annihilated, and, understandably, you are attempting to shut down a perhaps slightly overzealous Levis. However, am I correct in that your involvement has turned the tide of the war in Seno's favor?

Ah, yes, it is currently a defensive war for Levis because we managed to defend Seno and turn back Arcea's forces; now Levis has been forced on the defense as we seek to invade his holdings and bring the Arcean Empire to terms.

Understood. So on a scale of one to...say, 25, how hard has Levis been crushed and driven before you, and how many of their women are lamenting?

[G-Tech Corporation]

No you had 7 navy when you invaded. You got to ten in the future events after the war

Erm, I basically did that Espionage as soon as I decided I would intervene, before the launching of my fleet to Siochana. That's before the war in terms of my involvement.

Understood. So on a scale of one to...say, 25, how hard has Levis been crushed and driven before you, and how many of their women are lamenting?

Oh not badly; perhaps a 5. His offensive armies were fairly trounced and turned back, but the invasion of his territory has barely begun, with a few minor coastal settlements and a fortress having been conquered.

[Seno Zhou Varada]

So G-Tech what shall we do next if peace is not reached?

[The Almighty Bob]

No you had 7 navy when you invaded. You got to ten in the future events after the war

Erm, I basically did that Espionage as soon as I decided I would intervene, before the launching of my fleet to Siochana. That's before the war in terms of my involvement.

Understood. So on a scale of one to...say, 25, how hard has Levis been crushed and driven before you, and how many of their women are lamenting?

Oh not badly; perhaps a 5. His offensive armies were fairly trounced and turned back, but the invasion of his territory has barely begun, with a few minor coastal settlements and a fortress having been conquered.

Ah. In that case, perhaps the terms may be a bit excessive. For that kind of score penalty, you may have to go up to probably around 15. In order to avoid these unnecessary casualties, perhaps drop the annexation of Leon and stick with score penalties.

[The Almighty Bob]

So G-Tech what shall we do next if peace is not reached?

Hey! That's no way to talk at this stage in the game!

[Levis Avara]

No you had 7 navy when you invaded. You got to ten in the future events after the war

Erm, I basically did that Espionage as soon as I decided I would intervene, before the launching of my fleet to Siochana. That's before the war in terms of my involvement.

Understood. So on a scale of one to...say, 25, how hard has Levis been crushed and driven before you, and how many of their women are lamenting?

Oh not badly; perhaps a 5. His offensive armies were fairly trounced and turned back, but the invasion of his territory has barely begun, with a few minor coastal settlements and a fortress having been conquered.

You sure didn't rp it plus remember I needed to have 4 navy more not 3 navy. And I Rped constructing a naval dockyard in cretzia so I can send warships from there.