To Shred an Empire (medieval-low fantasy/OOC/OPEN)

[Alleniana]

...so, what have we decided?

[Agadar]

...so, what have we decided?

We seem to have decided to stay with what NDH had said.

[Alleniana]

...so, what have we decided?

We seem to have decided to stay with what NDH had said.

So, regent is officially defaulted to the current steward fellow, and we're now convening to decide heir and whether the heir needs a regency?

[Gjulich]

We seem to have decided to stay with what NDH had said.

So, regent is officially defaulted to the current steward fellow, and we're now convening to decide heir and whether the heir needs a regency?

Sounds about right, yes.

[Imperium Nova]

We seem to have decided to stay with what NDH had said.

So, regent is officially defaulted to the current steward fellow, and we're now convening to decide heir and whether the heir needs a regency?

Also the Emperor had officialy sanctioned the Lord High Steward Talen to become the regent, official documents.

[Of the Quendi]

So Imperium Nova is regent for all the empire all of sudden, leaving there that much less room for intrigue, scheming and maneuvering? Disappointing, not just because I can now shred any plans I made for my house, but because I now fail to see what the RP is to be about if we have a leader already.

EDIT:

Also the Emperor had officialy sanctioned the Lord High Steward Talen to become the regent, official documents.

Assuming the emperor wasn't clinically a moron he would not have made so vital an appointment without making a formal and public proclamation announcing it. Appointing a secret regent would be fairly stupid and defeat the entire purpose of the appointment.

[Gjulich]

So Imperium Nova is regent for all the empire all of sudden, leaving there that much less room for intrigue, scheming and maneuvering? Disappointing, not just because I can now shred any plans I made for my house, but because I now fail to see what the RP is to be about if we have a leader already.

A regent will never be able to keep the empire stable on their own. IN is not the Emperor - only the steward. And stewards are fickle. As are regencies. They may be powerless to resist the tide of secessionsm.

[Of the Quendi]

A regent will never be able to keep the empire stable on their own. IN is not the Emperor - only the steward. And stewards are fickle. As are regencies. They may be powerless to resist the tide of secessionsm.

A regent provides a focal point for all pro-imperial forces, especially since this particular regent if pro the empire, and makes what could have been everyone's fight against everyone into someone's fight against the regent + supporters. A multilevel struggle between ten + factions has now become one faction (regency)'s struggle against dissidents who now need far more power and might to successfully dissent.

[Gjulich]

A regent will never be able to keep the empire stable on their own. IN is not the Emperor - only the steward. And stewards are fickle. As are regencies. They may be powerless to resist the tide of secessionsm.

A regent provides a focal point for all pro-imperial forces, especially since this particular regent if pro the empire, and makes what could have been everyone's fight against everyone into someone's fight against the regent + supporters. A multilevel struggle between ten + factions has now become one faction (regency)'s struggle against dissidents who now need far more power and might to successfully dissent.

I imagine some people still support Cassyndra as Empress, and the illegitimate boy as Emperor, so no matter the regent, someone is going to fight someone else.

[Of the Quendi]

I imagine some people still support Cassyndra as Empress, and the illegitimate boy as Emperor, so no matter the regent, someone is going to fight someone else.

Maybe, I don't really see why anyone would support Cassyndra when she is second in line and less capable then her half brother, and has a lowborn mother, but I suppose that is possible.

[Gjulich]

I imagine some people still support Cassyndra as Empress, and the illegitimate boy as Emperor, so no matter the regent, someone is going to fight someone else.

Maybe, I don't really see why anyone would support Cassyndra when she is second in line and less capable then her half brother, and has a lowborn mother, but I suppose that is possible.

I'm sure someone supports her. And then, some will want the throne for themselves. Túlmíj Danálíen at present supports the half-brother, but he will be trying to take the throne for himself by some shady premises.

[Of the Quendi]

I'm sure someone supports her. And then, some will want the throne for themselves. Túlmíj Danálíen at present supports the half-brother, but he will be trying to take the throne for himself by some shady premises.

Which is going to be that much more difficult when there is a regent with 110,000 soldiers and a navy in addition which he has to go through first.

[Gjulich]

I'm sure someone supports her. And then, some will want the throne for themselves. Túlmíj Danálíen at present supports the half-brother, but he will be trying to take the throne for himself by some shady premises.

Which is going to be that much more difficult when there is a regent with 110,000 soldiers and a navy in addition which he has to go through first.

'Tis true. I don't do this for ambition. I do it for a good story.

[Alleniana]

I'm sure someone supports her. And then, some will want the throne for themselves. Túlmíj Danálíen at present supports the half-brother, but he will be trying to take the throne for himself by some shady premises.

Which is going to be that much more difficult when there is a regent with 110,000 soldiers and a navy in addition which he has to go through first.

Weren't most factions anti-imperial, though? And, as an anti-imperial, no action has to be taken but "byebye, we're leaving" while the emperor has to actively reconquer.

[Agadar]

NDH seemed adamant about having a regent already in place. I too would have liked differently, but alas.

[Alleniana]

*shrug*
Even with the centralisation a regent provides, there's still gonna be instability and discontent to RP out, I guess.

[Of the Quendi]

'Tis true. I don't do this for ambition. I do it for a good story.

A bunch of people sitting around knowing they can't accomplish their goals because of strong support for the status quo and therefore doing nothing doesn't make for a good story.

Weren't most factions anti-imperial, though? And, as an anti-imperial, no action has to be taken but "byebye, we're leaving" while the emperor has to actively reconquer.

When I divided people into pro and contra imperials there was an even distribution but it turned out that almost everyone was actually pro-empire a lot of people just wanted to run it themselves.

NDH seemed adamant about having a regent already in place. I too would have liked differently, but alas.

He is? I just did a word search for "regent" in this thread, plenty of people use the word but NDH never did, and searching for steward this post is what I found, where NDH clearly reject a regency over the whole of the empire.

*shrug*
Even with the centralisation a regent provides, there's still gonna be instability and discontent to RP out, I guess.

Perhaps, but it will boil the numerous competing interests and aspirations of some ten different houses down to a simple pro- or anti-regency dichotomy.

[Alleniana]

'Tis true. I don't do this for ambition. I do it for a good story.

A bunch of people sitting around knowing they can't accomplish their goals because of strong support for the status quo and therefore doing nothing doesn't make for a good story.

Weren't most factions anti-imperial, though? And, as an anti-imperial, no action has to be taken but "byebye, we're leaving" while the emperor has to actively reconquer.

When I divided people into pro and contra imperials there was an even distribution but it turned out that almost everyone was actually pro-empire a lot of people just wanted to run it themselves.

NDH seemed adamant about having a regent already in place. I too would have liked differently, but alas.

He is? I just did a word search for "regent" in this thread, plenty of people use the word but NDH never did, and searching for steward this post is what I found, where NDH clearly reject a regency over the whole of the empire.

*shrug*
Even with the centralisation a regent provides, there's still gonna be instability and discontent to RP out, I guess.

Perhaps, but it will boil the numerous competing interests and aspirations of some ten different houses down to a simple pro- or anti-regency dichotomy.

Ehh, pro/anti regency does depend on who the heir is, and if the current regency (I assume it's current?) continues. Perhaps a disagreement over the heir causes the attendees to walk out, leaving nobody as the legitimate heir? That might split it into factions.

And Ragar is fairly anti-imperial; while they wouldn't be willing to fight for independence, they'd certainly choose it if the empire looked too busy to deal with them.

[Gjulich]

'Tis true. I don't do this for ambition. I do it for a good story.

A bunch of people sitting around knowing they can't accomplish their goals because of strong support for the status quo and therefore doing nothing doesn't make for a good story.

Perhaps not, but intrigue, assassins and threats do. As well as complex characters. Which I hope to achieve.

[Alleniana]

Bundar will most likely arrive, try to keep up with the discussion, fail (except pointedly objecting to things he understands and dislikes) and then go home to drink lots and ignore the whole thing until it comes to him.

[Agadar]

These are relevant to the discussion:

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=21717132#p21717132 - NDH accepting Nova's application, though stating that his character is the steward of the imperial province, and not the empire as a whole. Somewhere along the line NDH was convinced to instead make that character the steward of the entire empire. I think I might be responsible for convincing him, though if that is the case then in hindsight that was a mistake of mine.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=21823384#p21823384 - Me successfully convincing NDH to make it so that the current regent was appointed by the late emperor before his death as opposed to the current regent having become the regent by law by virtue of being the lord steward.

With these posts in mind, I would suggest that for the sake of political intrigue and chaos the following things:

1. Nova's character is regent only of the imperial province;
2. There has not yet been appointed a regent of the empire, and the members of the imperial court will have to choose one as soon as possible;
3. The great meeting of lords will decide which heir will sit on the imperial throne, and whether the aforementioned regent is to continue his regency.

[Imperium Nova]

These are relevant to the discussion:

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=21717132#p21717132 - NDH accepting Nova's application, though stating that his character is the steward of the imperial province, and not the empire as a whole. Somewhere along the line NDH was convinced to instead make that character the steward of the entire empire. I think I might be responsible for convincing him, though if that is the case then in hindsight that was a mistake of mine.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=21823384#p21823384 - Me successfully convincing NDH to make it so that the current regent was appointed by the late emperor before his death as opposed to the current regent having become the regent by law by virtue of being the lord steward.

With these posts in mind, I would suggest that for the sake of political intrigue and chaos the following things:

1. Nova's character is regent only of the imperial province;
2. There has not yet been appointed a regent of the empire, and the members of the imperial court will have to choose one as soon as possible;
3. The great meeting of lords will decide which heir will sit on the imperial throne, and whether the aforementioned regent is to continue his regency.

Indeed, this was what I first thought as well. However I would suggest that the Lord High Steward be made regent default if the Emperor dies or becomes indisposed, but that a Caer Aard meeting will be called as soon as possible to decide a true regent. The Lord High Steward serves only as regent for the time until the meeting will take place.

1. Emperor dies, the Lord High Steward takes over as regent temporarily.
2. Caer Aard gathering is called for.
3. At Caer Aard an heir will be decided. As no current heir is deemed fit to rule a regent or a regency council will be decided.
4. This regent/regency council will then become permanent regent until the heir be deemed fit to rule.

Whether or not the Emperor has made some proclamation that the current Lord High Steward be his candidate for regency is up to debate.

[Agadar]

These are relevant to the discussion:

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=21717132#p21717132 - NDH accepting Nova's application, though stating that his character is the steward of the imperial province, and not the empire as a whole. Somewhere along the line NDH was convinced to instead make that character the steward of the entire empire. I think I might be responsible for convincing him, though if that is the case then in hindsight that was a mistake of mine.

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=21823384#p21823384 - Me successfully convincing NDH to make it so that the current regent was appointed by the late emperor before his death as opposed to the current regent having become the regent by law by virtue of being the lord steward.

With these posts in mind, I would suggest that for the sake of political intrigue and chaos the following things:

1. Nova's character is regent only of the imperial province;
2. There has not yet been appointed a regent of the empire, and the members of the imperial court will have to choose one as soon as possible;
3. The great meeting of lords will decide which heir will sit on the imperial throne, and whether the aforementioned regent is to continue his regency.

Indeed, this was what I first thought as well. However I would suggest that the Lord High Steward be made regent default if the Emperor dies or becomes indisposed, but that a Caer Aard meeting will be called as soon as possible to decide a true regent. The Lord High Steward serves only as regent for the time until the meeting will take place.

1. Emperor dies, the Lord High Steward takes over as regent temporarily.
2. Caer Aard gathering is called for.
3. At Caer Aard an heir will be decided. As no current heir is deemed fit to rule a regent or a regency council will be decided.
4. This regent/regency council will then become permanent regent until the heir be deemed fit to rule.

Whether or not the Emperor has made some proclamation that the current Lord High Steward be his candidate for regency is up to debate.

The problem with this automated regency appointment law is that it leaves far less maneuverability for anti-imperial factions to take a stand against the 'temporary' regent. That is the reason why I convinced NDH not to go that route.

[Imperium Nova]

Indeed, this was what I first thought as well. However I would suggest that the Lord High Steward be made regent default if the Emperor dies or becomes indisposed, but that a Caer Aard meeting will be called as soon as possible to decide a true regent. The Lord High Steward serves only as regent for the time until the meeting will take place.

1. Emperor dies, the Lord High Steward takes over as regent temporarily.
2. Caer Aard gathering is called for.
3. At Caer Aard an heir will be decided. As no current heir is deemed fit to rule a regent or a regency council will be decided.
4. This regent/regency council will then become permanent regent until the heir be deemed fit to rule.

Whether or not the Emperor has made some proclamation that the current Lord High Steward be his candidate for regency is up to debate.

The problem with this automated regency appointment law is that it leaves far less maneuverability for anti-imperial factions to take a stand against the 'temporary' regent. That is the reason why I convinced NDH not to go that route.

Sure, but that leaves the empire without an official government for as long as the Caer Aard goes on, something that you also advocated for earlier.

[Agadar]

The problem with this automated regency appointment law is that it leaves far less maneuverability for anti-imperial factions to take a stand against the 'temporary' regent. That is the reason why I convinced NDH not to go that route.

Sure, but that leaves the empire without an official government for as long as the Caer Aard goes on, something that you also advocated for earlier.

See my second point. The imperial court would choose a temporary regent of the empire on the very day the emperor died, which is something we can do IC.