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Postby Imperium Nova » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:23 am

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Imperium Nova wrote:Oh, okay then. That does make more sense.


Note that he is at this point the self-declared regent for as far as most people are concerned until proof is provided that the late emperor had appointed him.

Well, I would assume that the Emperor had signed some letter or contract to make it official. The Emperor and Talen were good friends and he had made him his regent, at least according to my app which was accepted. Unless anyone objects there will be an official contract from the former Emperor.

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Postby Agadar » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:25 am

Imperium Nova wrote:
Agadar wrote:
Note that he is at this point the self-declared regent for as far as most people are concerned until proof is provided that the late emperor had appointed him.

Well, I would assume that the Emperor had signed some letter or contract to make it official. The Emperor and Talen were good friends and he had made him his regent, at least according to my app which was accepted. Unless anyone objects there will be an official contract from the former Emperor.


A letter handwritten by the emperor with an imperial stamp on it would certainly be convincing.
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Postby Alleniana » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:26 am

Agadar wrote:
Imperium Nova wrote:Well, I would assume that the Emperor had signed some letter or contract to make it official. The Emperor and Talen were good friends and he had made him his regent, at least according to my app which was accepted. Unless anyone objects there will be an official contract from the former Emperor.


A letter handwritten by the emperor with an imperial stamp on it would certainly be convincing.

Hmm. How easy would it be to dispute its validity, do you think?

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Postby Imperium Nova » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:31 am

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Agadar wrote:
A letter handwritten by the emperor with an imperial stamp on it would certainly be convincing.

Hmm. How easy would it be to dispute its validity, do you think?

Well, if it is the Emperor's signature and the Imperial Stamp then surely it can be confirmed, especially if someone other important, perhaps the High Priest of the Faith was there at the signing, to confirm it. But then again, the regent is only temporary until the meeting is over, and then a final ruler and or regent has been decided

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Postby Gjulich » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:34 am

Alleniana wrote:
Agadar wrote:
A letter handwritten by the emperor with an imperial stamp on it would certainly be convincing.

Hmm. How easy would it be to dispute its validity, do you think?

You'd need documents, but they can be forged by any good author or courtier of the emperor. Probably the Lord Provost Marshal (me) or the Lord High Chamberlain would be the people to see.
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Postby Alleniana » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:35 am

Imperium Nova wrote:
Alleniana wrote:Hmm. How easy would it be to dispute its validity, do you think?

Well, if it is the Emperor's signature and the Imperial Stamp then surely it can be confirmed, especially if someone other important, perhaps the High Priest of the Faith was there at the signing, to confirm it. But then again, the regent is only temporary until the meeting is over, and then a final ruler and or regent has been decided

I mean, if someone wanted to claim it fake, would they be laughed off, or would it be considered?

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Postby Imperium Nova » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:35 am

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Alleniana wrote:Hmm. How easy would it be to dispute its validity, do you think?

You'd need documents, but they can be forged by any good author or courtier of the emperor. Probably the Lord Provost Marshal (me) or the Lord High Chamberlain would be the people to see.

Aboutthe Magistratum Chambers meeting, I assume that is in the Imperial Capital, and not in Caer Aard?

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Postby Alleniana » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:38 am

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Gjulich wrote:You'd need documents, but they can be forged by any good author or courtier of the emperor. Probably the Lord Provost Marshal (me) or the Lord High Chamberlain would be the people to see.

Aboutthe Magistratum Chambers meeting, I assume that is in the Imperial Capital, and not in Caer Aard?

Caer Aard sounds too uncomfortable for the Magistratum.

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Postby Agadar » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:39 am

Alleniana wrote:
Imperium Nova wrote:Well, if it is the Emperor's signature and the Imperial Stamp then surely it can be confirmed, especially if someone other important, perhaps the High Priest of the Faith was there at the signing, to confirm it. But then again, the regent is only temporary until the meeting is over, and then a final ruler and or regent has been decided

I mean, if someone wanted to claim it fake, would they be laughed off, or would it be considered?

=


Suggesting forgery will probably only have significant impact if it's a member of the imperial court that does it.
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Postby Imperium Nova » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:39 am

Alleniana wrote:
Imperium Nova wrote:Well, if it is the Emperor's signature and the Imperial Stamp then surely it can be confirmed, especially if someone other important, perhaps the High Priest of the Faith was there at the signing, to confirm it. But then again, the regent is only temporary until the meeting is over, and then a final ruler and or regent has been decided

I mean, if someone wanted to claim it fake, would they be laughed off, or would it be considered?

=

Well, depends on how valid we want to make it. I would suggest that the Emperor would have signed it some years ago, under the supervision of the High Priest of the Faith and the Lord High Chamberlain.

Also, it seems as the position as Lord High Steward existed befor the death of the Emperor. I would suggest that Talen would not be appointed as regent yet, only as steward of the council and so, and that a regent must be appoined by the Caer Aard Gathering.

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Postby Gjulich » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:39 am

Imperium Nova wrote:
Gjulich wrote:You'd need documents, but they can be forged by any good author or courtier of the emperor. Probably the Lord Provost Marshal (me) or the Lord High Chamberlain would be the people to see.

Aboutthe Magistratum Chambers meeting, I assume that is in the Imperial Capital, and not in Caer Aard?

I am really not sure now. I had assumed that they were one and the same for a long time, but now I know they are not, it is much more difficult. I'm guessing the Imperial Capital, but I am not sure.
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Postby Agadar » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:41 am

Imperium Nova wrote:
Alleniana wrote:I mean, if someone wanted to claim it fake, would they be laughed off, or would it be considered?

=

Well, depends on how valid we want to make it. I would suggest that the Emperor would have signed it some years ago, under the supervision of the High Priest of the Faith and the Lord High Chamberlain.

Also, it seems as the position as Lord High Steward existed befor the death of the Emperor. I would suggest that Talen would not be appointed as regent yet, only as steward of the council and so, and that a regent must be appoined by the Caer Aard Gathering.


I don't like that, because like I told NDH, leaving such a massive federation of nations leaderless for the weeks or even months it takes for all the lords to gather at the same place is ridiculous.
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Postby Gjulich » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:46 am

Agadar wrote:
Imperium Nova wrote:Well, depends on how valid we want to make it. I would suggest that the Emperor would have signed it some years ago, under the supervision of the High Priest of the Faith and the Lord High Chamberlain.

Also, it seems as the position as Lord High Steward existed befor the death of the Emperor. I would suggest that Talen would not be appointed as regent yet, only as steward of the council and so, and that a regent must be appoined by the Caer Aard Gathering.


I don't like that, because like I told NDH, leaving such a massive federation of nations leaderless for the weeks or even months it takes for all the lords to gather at the same place is ridiculous.

What about having the LHS become the provisional regent, in the lack of any true regency, and then they swear one in at the gathering.
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Postby Imperium Nova » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:47 am

Agadar wrote:
Imperium Nova wrote:Well, depends on how valid we want to make it. I would suggest that the Emperor would have signed it some years ago, under the supervision of the High Priest of the Faith and the Lord High Chamberlain.

Also, it seems as the position as Lord High Steward existed befor the death of the Emperor. I would suggest that Talen would not be appointed as regent yet, only as steward of the council and so, and that a regent must be appoined by the Caer Aard Gathering.


I don't like that, because like I told NDH, leaving such a massive federation of nations leaderless for the weeks or even months it takes for all the lords to gather at the same place is ridiculous.

Well, that's how the Mongols did it.

Suggestion would be that, in case of an Emperor's death, and no clear heir, the Lord High Steward would take up the responsibilities of the Emperor temporarily, and call to a Caer Aard meeting. There an heir would be decided, and if that heir is deemed unfit to rule for the time being, a regent or regency council would be appointed. The Imperial Magistratum would however remain as it is.

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Postby Agadar » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:48 am

Gjulich wrote:
Agadar wrote:
I don't like that, because like I told NDH, leaving such a massive federation of nations leaderless for the weeks or even months it takes for all the lords to gather at the same place is ridiculous.

What about having the LHS become the provisional regent, in the lack of any true regency, and then they swear one in at the gathering.


What is the difference between the two?
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Postby Gjulich » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:51 am

Agadar wrote:
Gjulich wrote:What about having the LHS become the provisional regent, in the lack of any true regency, and then they swear one in at the gathering.


What is the difference between the two?

Well, being provisional, he would have limited powers. And then, once the regent is decided, the LHS becomes the head of the Magistratum once more.
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Postby Imperium Nova » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:54 am

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Agadar wrote:
What is the difference between the two?

Well, being provisional, he would have limited powers. And then, once the regent is decided, the LHS becomes the head of the Magistratum once more.

I support this motion.

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Postby Agadar » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:55 am

Gjulich wrote:
Agadar wrote:
What is the difference between the two?

Well, being provisional, he would have limited powers. And then, once the regent is decided, the LHS becomes the head of the Magistratum once more.


Sounds like unnecessary bureaucracy. I disapprove.
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Postby Gjulich » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:00 am

Agadar wrote:
Gjulich wrote:Well, being provisional, he would have limited powers. And then, once the regent is decided, the LHS becomes the head of the Magistratum once more.


Sounds like unnecessary bureaucracy. I disapprove.

So, you would rather that the LHS becomes regent automatically?
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Postby Imperium Nova » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:14 am

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Gjulich wrote:Well, being provisional, he would have limited powers. And then, once the regent is decided, the LHS becomes the head of the Magistratum once more.


Sounds like unnecessary bureaucracy. I disapprove.

Not really. Lord High Steward becomes automatic regent of the Empire, he calls to a Caer Aard Gathering where they will decide over an heir. The heir is not deemed fit to rule so a regent will have to be chosen. The Emperor wanted Talen to become the regent however the Gathering will have the final say.

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Postby Agadar » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:44 am

As it stands NDH wants your guy to have been chosen as the regent until a suitable heir has come of age. I find that to be for the best as well, and not just because I have to completely alter my IC post otherwise.
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Postby Imperium Nova » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:52 am

Agadar wrote:As it stands NDH wants your guy to have been chosen as the regent until a suitable heir has come of age. I find that to be for the best as well, and not just because I have to completely alter my IC post otherwise.

Well, alright. That seems pretty good.

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Postby Gjulich » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:54 am

Agadar wrote:As it stands NDH wants your guy to have been chosen as the regent until a suitable heir has come of age. I find that to be for the best as well, and not just because I have to completely alter my IC post otherwise.

Still remember - at some time, the regent may be overthrown because of petty squabbles between some people, so it isn't set in stone.
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Postby Agadar » Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:58 am

Gjulich wrote:
Agadar wrote:As it stands NDH wants your guy to have been chosen as the regent until a suitable heir has come of age. I find that to be for the best as well, and not just because I have to completely alter my IC post otherwise.

Still remember - at some time, the regent may be overthrown because of petty squabbles between some people, so it isn't set in stone.


That is what I am hoping for. It would be boring otherwise.
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Postby Gjulich » Tue Sep 23, 2014 3:01 am

Agadar wrote:
Gjulich wrote:Still remember - at some time, the regent may be overthrown because of petty squabbles between some people, so it isn't set in stone.


That is what I am hoping for. It would be boring otherwise.

Oh yes. I was just adding to your comment. But I agree, it will make for a very interesting RP experience.
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