To Shred an Empire (medieval-low fantasy/OOC/OPEN)

[Woodstovia]

Why exactly was I supposed to finish mine 3 days ago?

Will be finished by tomorrow.

[Lunas Legion]

Why exactly was I supposed to finish mine 3 days ago?

Will be finished by tomorrow.

I lied. I do that a lot.

[Mesrane]

Did NDH name a Co-OP or no?

[Woodstovia]

Did NDH name a Co-OP or no?

Skaldia

[Mesrane]

Did NDH name a Co-OP or no?

Skaldia

OK, thanks.

[Of the Quendi]

Looking at this, I can't help but agree for the most part. In my opinion, the northern realms (Should correspond to realms 8,9,10,11,12) should be mostly human with sizable dwarf or elven minorities. The middle realms (Should, in my opinion correspond to 4,5,6,7) should have Dwarvish or elven majorities with large human minorities and small goblin or orc minorities. The Southern realms (1,2,3) should either have a human majority with large minorities of orcs and/or goblins, or be the other way around. The ethnic make up right now is extremely scattered and random, and in some cases it doesn't make sense. Just my two cents.

Why would the elves be a minority in the Southern Realms? In the South (1, 2, 3) the elves make up roughly 60 % of the populace, more than in any other general region.

In the OP it states that all realms must have a majority human population of 65%, with the exception of two realms that would be allowed a 35% human composition - given out on a first come first serve basis.

When exactly did this rule go out the window?

Maybe it is wavered on a case-by-case basis. It certainly wasn't problematized when I made my application.

The Emperor's have been weak and haven't been paying attention. Also this all happened because of what has basically become a national tragedy for that nation. If the Emperor had just waltzed in and told them to stop it he'd have a civil war on his hands

That too I suppose but I can think of a much simpler reason.

Why would the emperor's have cared? What is it to an emperor in Pandyssium Proper that an otherwise loyal and supportive vassal in the South doesn't permit the peasants he has nothing in common with except his species to settle in her lands? The only possible reason I can see for that is some sort of human-centrism. The reasons against are much more compelling. Apart from the unrest intervening would cause the government of Laurelindórnan's species policy carry two positive implications for the empire as a whole. One: by encouraging elves from the mainland to emigrate it diminishes the potential for inter-species conflict on the mainland while opening up for colonization by loyal vassals/second son's of the emperor to formerly elven majority areas. Two; assuming that serfdom is common on the mainland it would necessarily be a priority for mainland nobles to paint the freemen society of Laurelindórnan as an elven quirk rather than something that could be aspired to by human serfs, minimizing human exposure to this praxis would be ideal. (also if serfdom is common how would any humans be able to settle in Laurelindórnan anyway?)

Since NDH became less active.

Firstly, rectify that. 1,7, 9 and 8 need to agree on who gets the 35% human minimum.

Secondly, 4 and 6 need to have race data found (or if they aren't apped for, I'll app for one of them).

NDH accepted me with 99 % of the population being elven.

[Mesrane]

Why would the elves be a minority in the Southern Realms? In the South (1, 2, 3) the elves make up roughly 60 % of the populace, more than in any other general region.

Not my point. I'm saying it would make more sense if the Elves weren't so absurdly spread out, and had more of a presence in the middle realms.

[Of the Quendi]

Not my point. I'm saying it would make more sense if the Elves weren't so absurdly spread out, and had more of a presence in the middle realms.

I don't see how the elves are absurdly spread out. There are two Realms with a large elven populace Laurelindórnan and Craemwen. Laurelindórnan is in the south and Craemwen in the middle but they are both in the west. Besides why would it be a given that all the elves have to be in the same region anyway?

[Agadar]

Not my point. I'm saying it would make more sense if the Elves weren't so absurdly spread out, and had more of a presence in the middle realms.

I don't see how the elves are absurdly spread out. There are two Realms with a large elven populace Laurelindórnan and Craemwen. Laurelindórnan is in the south and Craemwen in the middle but they are both in the west. Besides why would it be a given that all the elves have to be in the same region anyway?

Natural spread/growth of the population.

[Mesrane]

I don't see how the elves are absurdly spread out. There are two Realms with a large elven populace Laurelindórnan and Craemwen. Laurelindórnan is in the south and Craemwen in the middle but they are both in the west. Besides why would it be a given that all the elves have to be in the same region anyway?

Natural spread/growth of the population.

Never mind. Somehow I mistook 3's human pop for elves. My bad.

[Of the Quendi]

Natural spread/growth of the population.

Its not a given that a population grows and spreads to only neighboring territories. A maritime people will often prefer sailing out and establishing distant colonies rather than trying to settle the interior of its core territories. A people suppressed and persecuted will settle and go strong in places where they won't be.

[Agadar]

Natural spread/growth of the population.

Its not a given that a population grows and spreads to only neighboring territories. A maritime people will often prefer sailing out and establishing distant colonies rather than trying to settle the interior of its core territories. A people suppressed and persecuted will settle and go strong in places where they won't be.

Still, if you look at the map, you'd say there have been genocides committed on pretty much all races around the continent. That's the only way to explain the often absurd population ratios. The map makes no sense at all. There's no point in denying that.

[Of the Quendi]

Still, if you look at the map, you'd say there have been genocides committed on pretty much all races around the continent. That's the only way to explain the often absurd population ratios. The map makes no sense at all. There's no point in denying that.

There wouldn't have to had been genocides but is it far out to imagine there has been?

Here are maps depicting the RL modern or historic spread of various peoples and groups of peoples that aren't evenly spread out in one region.

Turkish peoples today

Greek diaspora of the antiquity

Modern Central Asia

The Kurds

And a religion for good measure

And if thats not enough I can make an example of how the spread of the Elves came about.

Lets say the Elven empire had its elven population in 4, 5 and 8 before it fell. As it began to diminish 6, in this RP the biggest military power and elf-hating place, launched invasions against the elves, since most of 6's borders would have been with 5 this was the primary target. Eventually the attacks depopulate the eastern bank of 5 as the elves there flee into 4 and the west of 5. The elves are now cut in half with some in 5-8 and some in 4. 6 continues the assault now beginning to attack 4 as well as the west of 5. The Elves of 5 begin to retreat towards 8. The elves of 4 can't do that and seeing that they are cut of so instead they decide to head west and sail to 1. Eventually the elves loose complete control of 5 but manage to hold on to 8 despite many humans settling there. If that could happen to Britons who was separated in Wales, Cornwall and Scotland when the Anglo-Saxons came why not the elves in this setting.

[Agadar]

Then where do the elves in 11, 12, 2, and 3 come from?

[Ralnis]

never mind.

[Woodstovia]

Then where do the elves in 11, 12, 2, and 3 come from?

3 was the last place to be conquered by the Empire, and is pretty close to the capital of the Elf empire so either some elves could have gone there as refugees or Elves simply went there because it's a nice place and close. Also most people there are Elfophiles and Elves are deeply respected so it might encourage more to go there.

[Mesrane]

Then where do the elves in 11, 12, 2, and 3 come from?

2 has hardly any elves, while it's not hard to imagine small-scale elvish migration to 11 and 12 over the nearly 450 years the Empire existed. Or perhaps there were very small native populations there to begin with.

[Skaldia]

I think we're over-thinking this whole shbang. After all, my city of Sangreal has a very cosmopolitan feel to it but is in a dwarven realm. Mostly due to it being a religious center.

[Of the Quendi]

Then where do the elves in 11, 12, 2, and 3 come from?

Come on, there are hardly any elves in those Realms. The example I made was just one proposal for how a single population transfer that frankly explains almost the whole of the elven population could have taken place. Different migrations and invasions could have resulted in small elven minorities in those Realms or they could just be leftovers of the Elven empire that persisted in the periphery of the human empire. In fact given that all those Realms are located in the periphery (except maybe 2 which has virtually no elven populace anyway) that would make perfect sense. A human expansion from the central regions forced the elves into the periphery if you must have a potential explanation.

[Mesrane]

Then where do the elves in 11, 12, 2, and 3 come from?

Come on, there are hardly any elves in those Realms. The example I made was just one proposal for how a single population transfer that frankly explains almost the whole of the elven population could have taken place. Different migrations and invasions could have resulted in small elven minorities in those Realms or they could just be leftovers of the Elven empire that persisted in the periphery of the human empire. In fact given that all those Realms are located in the periphery (except maybe 2 which has virtually no elven populace anyway) that would make perfect sense. A human expansion from the central regions forced the elves into the periphery if you must have a potential explanation.

My humans came from over the sea, pushing the elves eastwards (to a degree) but yeah, the elven minorities in those realms are small enough that we need not expound for hours over every minute detail of small-scale migrations.

[The National Dominion of Hungary]

The IC is finally up!

[Kazarogkai]

The IC is finally up!

YESS

[Skaldia]

The IC is finally up!

A million praises to the OP!

[Woodstovia]

Made my first post.

[Agadar]

I had really hoped we would be starting at the exact point the emperor died.