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Postby Alleniana » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:08 am

So, indeed, RPing is often competitive, and rightly so. You are involved with what you create; you have plans and aspirations, goals and investments - why would you want anyone else messing it all up? Yes, there are often challenges, but they can generally be overcome, and when you RP, though ups and downs come with the domain, it's often what you achieve, rather than what you don't that you enjoy.

But losing is also an integral part of it; how can there be victory without loss? Advancement without contemporaries being left behind? If something is black, then there must be something that is not - white, for example - to compare it against, else, isn't everything black?

So, what if we removed that element? Because aren't the greatest victories celebrated, no matter who achieved them (assuming you're unbiased)? Isn't it often longevity, or a colossal loss like death, those things that we enjoy interacting with and experiencing in our RPing?

I'd like to put this out as a probe for people who would be interested in RPing a situation; perhaps with characters, maybe groups, maybe huge nations, and perhaps in prehistory, perhaps in the Age of Exploration, perhaps in the near future, but most importantly, in a way where everything that happens is agreed with everyone else, or at least will not cause annoyance to anyone. Essentially, it'd be like that oft-used description of RPing; cowriting. Except here, it's cowriting in its purest, most original form. Yes, there are RPs that go near this kind of concept, but I don't think any that have started off shooting for it immediately.

What do you think? What setting should we have, what should we represent if anything at all, will this work, would you come along for the ride?
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Postby Independent Gredavcat » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:21 am

A brilliant idea, I believe, and I would be very interested in joining in discussion concerning a storyline / plot.

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Postby Alleniana » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:29 am

Independent Gredavcat wrote:A brilliant idea, I believe, and I would be very interested in joining in discussion concerning a storyline / plot.

Thanks. I'm hoping we can get a nice big group talking about it, because I think the idea will likely be somewhat controversial.

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Postby Independent Gredavcat » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:30 am

Alleniana wrote:
Independent Gredavcat wrote:A brilliant idea, I believe, and I would be very interested in joining in discussion concerning a storyline / plot.

Thanks. I'm hoping we can get a nice big group talking about it, because I think the idea will likely be somewhat controversial.

Now you have me intrigued. Do you care to elaborate on this or shall we continue this via TG?

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Postby Alleniana » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:32 am

Independent Gredavcat wrote:
Alleniana wrote:Thanks. I'm hoping we can get a nice big group talking about it, because I think the idea will likely be somewhat controversial.

Now you have me intrigued. Do you care to elaborate on this or shall we continue this via TG?

Oh, I mean I think that it'll be controversial simply because competitiveness is such a big part of RPing. :p I don't believe I've ever seen an RP in which it's been explicitly, completely stripped away. I'd like a big group to help refine such a (currently) abstract concept.

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Postby Woodstovia » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:35 am

I don't think this can work it'll just be all talking and nothing happening. I don't really get what you mean by this either. This isn't a ground breaking idea, in every rp people talk things out and come to conclusions in the OOC.

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Postby Independent Gredavcat » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:36 am

Alleniana wrote:
Independent Gredavcat wrote:Now you have me intrigued. Do you care to elaborate on this or shall we continue this via TG?

Oh, I mean I think that it'll be controversial simply because competitiveness is such a big part of RPing. :p I don't believe I've ever seen an RP in which it's been explicitly, completely stripped away. I'd like a big group to help refine such a (currently) abstract concept.

I see. Personally, I think it is a great concept as too many RPs simply die due to arguments and lack of a decent story.

I shall wait until more people register their interest until I put forward some ideas / suggestions.

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Postby Alleniana » Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:40 am

Woodstovia wrote:I don't think this can work it'll just be all talking and nothing happening. I don't really get what you mean by this either. This isn't a ground breaking idea, in every rp people talk things out and come to conclusions in the OOC.

I think that too much talking will be one of the main ideas, but it might well be a lifesaver; it would keep activity up when the RP is unable to progress all that quickly. And none of that talk would be argument, which is generally helpful. :p

And yes, but in most of them, they have vested interests. They're often compromising, or planning to achieve something. Here, it would be that any agreement is for the whole group; everything that is planned with likely go ahead. You might almost say that it begins to near the limits of what is actually RPing; perhaps, one way of reducing vested interest is that people don't play as an entity as all, or don't do so for very long.

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Postby Finland SSR » Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:13 am

A RP without competition?
That will not work.
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Postby Gigaverse » Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:16 am

> I've been having my Project in my mind. I kinda want to build up its plot further, but I don't feel like NS would be quite suitable...
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Postby Gigaverse » Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:16 am

Finland SSR wrote:A RP without competition?
That will not work.

wut
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Postby Finland SSR » Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:18 am

Gigaverse wrote:
Finland SSR wrote:A RP without competition?
That will not work.

wut

It just won't work. Both in character and faction/nation categories.
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Postby Alleniana » Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:20 am

Finland SSR wrote:
Gigaverse wrote:wut

It just won't work. Both in character and faction/nation categories.

Would you mind elaborating?
Not saying you're wrong, but I'd like to take every possible problem and look for a way to resolve it.

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Postby Finland SSR » Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:24 am

Alleniana wrote:
Finland SSR wrote:It just won't work. Both in character and faction/nation categories.

Would you mind elaborating?
Not saying you're wrong, but I'd like to take every possible problem and look for a way to resolve it.

That is because every single person here is egoistic and self-centered. At least 50% of them. And those people come to RPs to write their own stories and compete with others. Also, everyone wants action. Competition is a natural product of action. Removing competition means removing action.

And removing action from an NS RP is like removing conflict from a drama. It is theoretically possible, but it isn't quite as enjoyable.


Basically, the reason competition exists in RP is because of action - wars, fights, battles.
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Postby Jute » Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:28 am

I am very interested, especially since I do not like war rps hat much. Why should it not work? It'd be like collaborating on a fanfic, I've seen this before, or like a D&D campaign.
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Postby Alleniana » Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:12 am

Finland SSR wrote:
Alleniana wrote:Would you mind elaborating?
Not saying you're wrong, but I'd like to take every possible problem and look for a way to resolve it.

That is because every single person here is egoistic and self-centered. At least 50% of them. And those people come to RPs to write their own stories and compete with others. Also, everyone wants action. Competition is a natural product of action. Removing competition means removing action.

And removing action from an NS RP is like removing conflict from a drama. It is theoretically possible, but it isn't quite as enjoyable.


Basically, the reason competition exists in RP is because of action - wars, fights, battles.

I know, many people came to do that, but surely, there is a minority that is large enough to be willing to put that aside? I mean, I'd like to think I am :P

I can see what you mean, but action for the sake of it, and for the sake of the plot happens too. If we can put the emphasis on that, I believe the crux of the matter would be dissolved. To try to get people in for the story.

Jute wrote:I am very interested, especially since I do not like war rps hat much. Why should it not work? It'd be like collaborating on a fanfic, I've seen this before, or like a D&D campaign.
I was hesitant to bring it out, but yeah, you could say it's like a fanfic. A collaboratively written one.

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Postby Bujahla » Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:05 am

Well you've got me interested. My vote for character vs. nation is to go nation based and to write it for a giant amount of history, that way people don't care so much about a loss. If we are writing for all of time, then loosing a war doesn't matter because you can come back from it.
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Postby Alleniana » Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:13 am

Bujahla wrote:Well you've got me interested. My vote for character vs. nation is to go nation based and to write it for a giant amount of history, that way people don't care so much about a loss. If we are writing for all of time, then loosing a war doesn't matter because you can come back from it.

I'm thinking that I'd like to go even deeper; so to say that people wouldn't even care about losing a war because they are merely the person responsible for design and knowledge on the nation, and having no immediate vested interest in what happens to it. The overall approach, though, I get. I like it, though I feel characters might convey the plot better (which is more important here).

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Postby Ayreonia » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:37 am

Finland SSR wrote:
Alleniana wrote:Would you mind elaborating?
Not saying you're wrong, but I'd like to take every possible problem and look for a way to resolve it.

That is because every single person here is egoistic and self-centered. At least 50% of them. And those people come to RPs to write their own stories and compete with others. Also, everyone wants action. Competition is a natural product of action. Removing competition means removing action.

And removing action from an NS RP is like removing conflict from a drama. It is theoretically possible, but it isn't quite as enjoyable.


Basically, the reason competition exists in RP is because of action - wars, fights, battles.

You're wrong. I've had the pleasure of RPing with people who care about building a great world and writing a good story. Not all RPs are competitive, and not all RPers are egotistical sonsabitches. If that's what you've experienced, sorry.

Oh, and thanks for the interesting thread, Allen Wrench.
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Postby Finland SSR » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:46 am

Ayreonia wrote:
Finland SSR wrote:That is because every single person here is egoistic and self-centered. At least 50% of them. And those people come to RPs to write their own stories and compete with others. Also, everyone wants action. Competition is a natural product of action. Removing competition means removing action.

And removing action from an NS RP is like removing conflict from a drama. It is theoretically possible, but it isn't quite as enjoyable.


Basically, the reason competition exists in RP is because of action - wars, fights, battles.

You're wrong. I've had the pleasure of RPing with people who care about building a great world and writing a good story. Not all RPs are competitive, and not all RPers are egotistical sonsabitches. If that's what you've experienced, sorry.

Oh, and thanks for the interesting thread, Allen Wrench.

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Postby The Laxus Union » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:51 am

I'm interested. I really love the world building aspect of RPing. An RP always has to have a detailed world, at least in my opinion. Include me in the world building.


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Postby Photana » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:54 am

This is something I'd love to participate in.

My vote would be for Nation based. I'd like to see how a history where everyone isn't rushing to make the next big discovery or conquer the world would turn out.
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Postby The Laxus Union » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:55 am

I'm for more of a character based RP ,but a nation based RP is fine with me.


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Postby Ayreonia » Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:58 am

Finland SSR wrote:
Ayreonia wrote:You're wrong. I've had the pleasure of RPing with people who care about building a great world and writing a good story. Not all RPs are competitive, and not all RPers are egotistical sonsabitches. If that's what you've experienced, sorry.

Oh, and thanks for the interesting thread, Allen Wrench.

You're a minority. And minorities don't make lasting RPs, majorities do.

I've seen the exact opposite.
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Postby Finland SSR » Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:21 am

Ayreonia wrote:
Finland SSR wrote:You're a minority. And minorities don't make lasting RPs, majorities do.

I've seen the exact opposite.

It might look like it sometimes.

Though I'm not stopping anyone here. Do your RP as you want it.
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